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Evergrey
11-09-2007, 11:23 PM
http://media.www.michigandaily.com/media/storage/paper851/news/2007/11/09/State/Team-Proposes.Urban.Center.In.Detroit.burbs-3091231.shtml

Team proposes urban center in Detroit 'burbs

By Elizabeth Lai on 11/9/07

An urban planning team from the University is theorizing that reducing Michigan's historic dependence on automobiles by building pedestrian friendly neighborhoods will help prevent people from leaving the state.

The group, made up of four Rackham students and two faculty members from the Taubman College of Architecture and Urban Planning, proposed designs for one such neighborhood at a forum last night in Troy, Mich. They were one of several groups to propose building a new urban center around a mass transit station between Troy and Birmingham, two suburbs of Detroit.

The real-estate forum - sponsored by the University and the Urban Land Institute, a nonprofit real-estate think tank - allowed urban planners to re-envision what is now a mixture of industrial and suburban buildings as a residential area friendly to those who choose not to own a car.

James McMurray, a team member and an urban planning master's student, presented a design where the Amtrak train station between the two cities would become a neighborhood hub surrounded by retail stores, restaurants and residential units.

Larissa Larsen, an urban planning assistant professor and a team member, said Michigan should promote neighborhoods that are accessible to people with and without cars if it wants to attract house buyers. She said in an interview that she hopes that future development will become "more about people and pedestrians and less about cars and parking lots."

"We have to be thinking about quality of life issues," she said.

Consumer analyses indicate that more and more consumers want to buy real estate in neighborhoods where services are within walking distance. One study showed that walkable communities in Southeast Michigan have retained residents at a higher clip than those where cars are needed.

In most Michigan cities, though, commuting to most jobs is almost impossible without a car. Troy, located about an hour northeast of campus, is crosshatched with straight roads arranged in neat square miles - a symbol of Michigan's automobile-centered economy and transportation.

"It certainly isn't a sustainable form of suburban development," Larsen said.

While the continued rise in gas prices and air pollution could lead some Michiganders to choose mass transit, McMurray said in an interview that the transit center's cost and convenience will also play a key role in its success. He said that while walkable development has "caught on as sort of an environmental thing, it's easier to appeal to people's self-interest."

McMurray said he doesn't think these types of development will replace Michigan's traditional car culture. He said real-estate developers understand that it doesn't have to be one way or another.

The development project is part of an ongoing effort by the city of Troy to offset the effects of Southeast Michigan's declining economy and to meet increasing demand for cheaper transportation.

LivingIn622
11-10-2007, 12:03 AM
Troy, disgusting. Go downtown. It seems more logical. The staduims, Greektown, and the people mover which they should just extend than have a line go from suburb to suburb.

Hayward
11-10-2007, 10:29 PM
Heh, how ironic, I just took break to get away from writing a 12 page paper for one of Larissa Larsen's classes. Guess this thread is a sign I need to get back to work

ginsan2
11-10-2007, 11:30 PM
It's a common joke that here in the rest of metro Detroit (Dearborn, Westland, Dearborn Heights, etc) we don't even have sidewalks anywhere but right in front of our houses. It's pathetic and frightening, when you stop to think about it. I mean, I literally have no means to walk anywhere.

cabasse
11-10-2007, 11:43 PM
...another wonderful example of the self serving mentality that pervades the metro area.

dearborn could be a lot worse.

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hudkina
11-13-2007, 04:40 AM
It's a common joke that here in the rest of metro Detroit (Dearborn, Westland, Dearborn Heights, etc) we don't even have sidewalks anywhere but right in front of our houses. It's pathetic and frightening, when you stop to think about it. I mean, I literally have no means to walk anywhere.

What the hell are you talking about? Metro Detroit probably has one of the largest networks of sidewalks in the nation. I could literally walk over 30 miles from Trenton in the south to Birmingham in the north using sidewalks.

And while it is true that some of the sprawling well-to-do cities (Bloomfield Hills, Farmington Hills, Canton, etc.) don't have as extensive of a sidewalk network as the city and inner-ring suburbs, when you compare it to other cities, one thing Metro Detroit is not lacking is sidewalks.

Just because you may not have a sidewalk outside your door, doesn't mean that the overwhelming majority of the population doesn't...

the pope
11-13-2007, 12:02 PM
in my experience if you're mid to inner ring OR along woodward (sorry I really only know OC), you have sidewalks.

UglymanCometh
11-16-2007, 12:19 PM
Hey, of all the suburbs that attempt to go urban, I'm glad to see Troy honestly have interest. The Birmingham/Troy area will most likely be a future commuter rail hub, so they'll need to start planning for dense, urban neighbourhoods now.

Not that Birmingham isn't pretty urban... but Troy? *yikes*

HomeInMyShoes
11-16-2007, 01:08 PM
Ummm...how about addressing jobs and economic reasons to stay in the state?

Frankly, it could be the greatest urban pedestrian environment in the world, but if I don't have meaningful employment, I'm not staying there and I'm not moving there.

Michi
11-16-2007, 07:45 PM
Troy has one of the largest concentration of jobs along the Big Beaver corridor in the state. I don't think meaningful jobs is an issue. Birmingham has the "downtown" for all of that corporate wealth and Troy has the upscale mall.

Birmingham coexisted along with Detroit, but Troy did not. Troy rose at Detroit's expense. Now it wants to team up with Birmingham to become "Downtown Southeast Michigan". At least that's what's been said in the recent past. They also claimed that their rail service would connect them to Chicago.

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LivingIn622
11-16-2007, 08:13 PM
What would look great if the oakland county suburbs went highrises from Troy to downtown Detroit. Although that well never happen. But it would look sweet.

the pope
11-17-2007, 12:18 AM
What would look great if the oakland county suburbs went highrises from Troy to downtown Detroit. Although that well never happen. But it would look sweet.

if only there were some way to encourage and foster density.......

sentinel
11-18-2007, 05:00 PM
I went to the U of M college of architecture for my M. Arch and it shames me that the school would be involved in something so retarted - probably one of dimwit Dean Kelbaugh's brilliant urban renewal ideas (not even an architect yet he runs that school; absolute moron) - the same type of shite was proposed in the 50's-60's when Schaumburg was touted as being the 'Chicago-killer', the new development that would make IT the center of NE Illinois and where Chicago would die a slow, painful death - 40 odd years later, Chicago is thriving and Schaumburg is a cold, desolate, un-interesting place that consists of two malls, a handful of office towers (some of which are being vacated because their occupants are moving back into Chicago) and overweight white families of four that drive 1-2 blocks to go from Ikea to Woodfield - public transportation hub be damned - hope this type of half-assed planning doesn't happen in this present concept here, because history has a tendency to repeat itself, especially when bad ideas are involved.

hudkina
11-18-2007, 06:19 PM
While Schaumburg and Troy do share some qualities, I think Troy is in a better position than Schaumburg as far as creating a more urban, transit-oriented environment. For one Schaumburg is in Cook County, which will always look toward Chicago. Troy is in Oakland County which wants to do everything but ally itself with Detroit. Also, while both do have large amounts of sprawling subdivisions within their boundaries, Schaumburg is much further into the low-density suburbs while Troy is actually right on the doorstep of Detroit's dense inner-ring suburbs. The Big Beaver corridor (which is supposedly vying to be the "new" downtown Southeast Michigan) is only a few miles from Downtown Birmingham and Downtown Royal Oak with relatively dense, walkable neighborhoods surrounding it to the south and to the west.

Hell, if Michigan had those large sprawling villages that suburban Chicago is known for, Big Beaver would probably be a neighborhood of Birmingham or Royal Oak.



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