[feepa]

Another bullshit article.... but an article none the less...

Job-mad Calgary lacks fun image
All work, no play is how the rest of Canada sees us

Kim Guttormson
Calgary Herald


Thursday, August 02, 2007



CREDIT: Jenelle Schneider, Calgary Herald
People surveyed by Angus Reid see Calgary as a great place to get a job, but don't rate us well for much else.

If you ask Canadians, Calgary is all work and no play, reinforcing stereotypes that we're a nose-to-the-grindstone city with no nightlife or culture, a new poll says.

An Angus Reid Strategies survey found that 36 per cent of our countrymen think Calgary is the best city to find a job, but fewer than 10 per cent rank it as the spot where they'd want to eat out, shop or enjoy the nightlife -- even though they were consulted just after the 10-day party known as Stampede wrapped up.

Only three per cent of Canadians find us an artsy and cultured city, according to the poll.

"A lot of results in the survey speak to long-standing reputations about each city," said Craig Worden, Angus Reid Strategies vice-president of public affairs. "Calgary is still fighting those.

"Its new image is fighting its old image."

Calgary is even struggling to get respect in its own province. Forty-five per cent of Albertans picked Edmonton as the best city to live in, while only 24 per cent chose Calgary.

Worden offered some comfort by pointing out that in some categories, such as dining out, sports and recreation, nightlife and arts and culture, Calgary "shows up in the top-tier ranking -- quite often it's a statistical tie."

However, the impression the city's been making as an economic powerhouse is reflected in the poll results.

Calgary is the best place to find a job, said 36 per cent of those asked, with Edmonton second at 12 per cent and Toronto third with 10 per cent.

While Toronto was considered the best place to do business, according to 37 per cent, Calgary was next at 16 per cent.

Adam Legge, Calgary Economic Development's director of research and business information, said that every region of the country felt Calgary was the employment hub.

"We're beginning to be seen as Western Canada's business centre," he said. "But it does potentially reflect the need to work on the perception of Calgary in other parts of Canada, beyond the economic opportunity."

Jeff Aplin, with David Aplin Recruiting, said their busiest offices in the country are both in Alberta.

"We're doing more placements (in Calgary) than in Vancouver or Toronto," said Aplin, the vice-president for the Calgary region. "It's garnered so much media attention, the spotlight is on so much. It's created a perfect storm.

"The whole boom in Alberta has sex appeal."

Worden said the overall results of the poll found Canadians are still homers when it comes to ranking their cities.

"It speaks to how highly regionalized we are," he said. "Whenever Canadians turn out to vote, there's a regional aspect to how we vote.

"A province's residents often pick one of their major centres as their favourite."

The poll, which talked to 1,040 people, has a margin of error of plus or minus three per cent, 19 times out of 20.

kguttormson@theherald.canwest.com

[ExcaliburKid]

Calgary is even struggling to get respect in its own province. Forty-five per cent of Albertans picked Edmonton as the best city to live in, while only 24 per cent chose Calgary.


Im surprised by this comment.

[newfangled]

Ancient article, boys:

Thursday, August 02, 2007

The rest of us have known that Calgary's boring for a few months now. :D

[feepa]

Ancient article, boys:



The rest of us have known that Calgary's boring for a few months now. :D
Oh geez... I should really look harder at the things I post.

[tdurden5573]

Funny how eating and clubbing show up as top things to do, guess thats a reflection of lazy overweight north americans. You ask an average European where the most entertaining place in Canada is and they would say
Calgary - bike the entire river valley, fish downtown, ice climb, ski, snowboard, show shoe, backcountry ski, mountain climbing, hiking, mountain biking, atv, ice sail, boating, rafting, camping the list can go on, alas most N Americans look for places to eat as defining quality of live.

That being said, I do think Calgary does lack a vibrant down town, but its better then most N American cities.

[davee930]

Funny how eating and clubbing show up as top things to do, guess thats a reflection of lazy overweight north americans. You ask an average European where the most entertaining place in Canada is and they would say
Calgary - bike the entire river valley, fish downtown, ice climb, ski, snowboard, show shoe, backcountry ski, mountain climbing, hiking, mountain biking, atv, ice sail, boating, rafting, camping the list can go on, alas most N Americans look for places to eat as defining quality of live.

That being said, I do think Calgary does lack a vibrant down town, but its better then most N American cities.

exactly

[brento79]

I always enjoy Calgary, don't know why people wouldn't

[Coldrsx]

When i travel around Canada...people know there are lots of jobs, but most dont like the climate, attitude, distance from other major centres, or things to do.

Most of my Vancouver friends laugh at the thought of moving east...and most from Ontario like the idea of jobs and money, but not location.

[240glt]

Most of my Vancouver friends laugh at the thought of moving east...

Yeah that was me in 1999.... my how times change...

[Me&You]

... but most dont like the climate, attitude, distance from other major centres, or things to do...


I thought the article was about Calgary, not Edmonton :D

[feepa]

I thought the article was about Calgary, not Edmonton :D
ya, cause Calgary is so much closer to other major centers, things to do, attitude, climate...etc than Edmonton?

This article surely could've had either cities name put in it

[Coldrsx]

when i have people in from out of town they usually visit calgary as well during the trip and the only things they mention are:

-calgary has a lot of office towers
-edmonton has a nice small feel but with everything you need in it
-both are low on things to do
-both are quiet
-both are far from everywhere

[Rusty van Reddick]

It was great being in Germany for 3 weeks. Every time (almost every time at least) I'd tell folks I was from Calgary, their reaction was along the lines of "it's my life's dream to visit there." It was almost embarrassing. Germans idealise Canada in general. I like that.

In Canada, I've never got the "too much work too little play" reaction- that's what they say about Toronto. For Calgary it's either "it must be cold there," or something along the lines of "oh my God how can you STAND living in such a conservative cesspool." And that's not rare.

Oddly enough, I get less hate in Vancouver than in Toronto or Ottawa (I mention these because I've been to each many times since moving here- I didn't have enough conversations with locals in Montreal of QC to reflect on this, both were too short trips with too much work).

[freeweed]

Funny how eating and clubbing show up as top things to do, guess thats a reflection of lazy overweight north americans. You ask an average European where the most entertaining place in Canada is and they would say
Calgary - bike the entire river valley, fish downtown, ice climb, ski, snowboard, show shoe, backcountry ski, mountain climbing, hiking, mountain biking, atv, ice sail, boating, rafting, camping the list can go on, alas most N Americans look for places to eat as defining quality of live..

Canadians are some of the silliest people on the planet. Calgarians included.

What you said is exactly correct. People from all over the world pay THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to come here for a week, and only experience a small taste of what there is to do. People do this by the millions every year.

Yet half of Canada has never even bothered to come here. Their dream vacations seem to consist of getting "all you can drunk" on a beach somewhere while avoiding any and all interaction with actual locals. Hell, I know people who've lived in Calgary for DECADES and have only been out to the mountains once or twice. It's a $40 tank of gas for us, so I guess it doesn't seem very special? :koko:

It's not often that I agree 100% with the European attitude about things, but in this case, they're bang-on.

Many of us seem to have absolutely no idea just how much there is to do here. More's the pity for them. I spent 20 years trying to decide my #1 choice of places to live based on the fun I could have, and I chose Calgary.

[Stephen Ave]

"Its new image is fighting its old image."

Calgary is even struggling to get respect in its own province. Forty-five per cent of Albertans picked Edmonton as the best city to live in, while only 24 per cent chose Calgary.

Worden offered some comfort by pointing out that in some categories, such as dining out, sports and recreation, nightlife and arts and culture, Calgary "shows up in the top-tier ranking -- quite often it's a statistical tie."

It doesn't surprise me. I've worked in rural areas, especially northern Alberta, and places like Grande Prairie and Slave Lake, Whitecourt etc... Almost unanimously people like Edmonton better. some people feel Calgary is a snobbish city. There may be some truth to that.

[Greco Roman]

"Its new image is fighting its old image."

Calgary is even struggling to get respect in its own province. Forty-five per cent of Albertans picked Edmonton as the best city to live in, while only 24 per cent chose Calgary.

Worden offered some comfort by pointing out that in some categories, such as dining out, sports and recreation, nightlife and arts and culture, Calgary "shows up in the top-tier ranking -- quite often it's a statistical tie."

It doesn't surprise me. I've worked in rural areas, especially northern Alberta, and places like Grande Prairie and Slave Lake, Whitecourt etc... Almost unanimously people like Edmonton better. some people feel Calgary is a snobbish city. There may be some truth to that.

I think this is Calgary's big weakness, personally. Too many people in that city have the "I'm better than you" attitude. It's a real turn-off.

[freeweed]

I think this is Calgary's big weakness, personally. Too many people in that city have the "I'm better than you" attitude. It's a real turn-off.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: when this attitude comes from Toronto or Vancouver or Montreal, it's "justifiable pride". When it comes from Calgary, it's inevitably "snobbishness".

I've seen the same thing ever since the first boom here.

I think it's more pronounced in Calgary (and quite frankly, more justified) because people here have actually CHOSEN to live here by and large. Most of the city is not native-born. We actually have picked this place. Unlike other large Canadian cities, where people's "hometown pride" is often exactly that. You're proud of the place you were born in, not necessarily for any objective reason.

To each their own, I guess. :shrug: Much like most Torontonians, I don't actually give a shit if someone thinks I'm overly proud of my city. :P

[Kevin_foster]

Calgary is 2 hours closer to the mountains than Edmonton; and as a snowboarder, that makes me extremely envious.

Stupid Calgary and it's closer mountains. :(

[The Kid]

I think this is Calgary's big weakness, personally. Too many people in that city have the "I'm better than you" attitude. It's a real turn-off.

In what way is this a weakness? People seem to keep on moving here by the thousands year after year. Guess they don't mind the jobs, high standard of living, proximity to the mountains, get things done attitude, etc.

At the end of the day, I'm not losing any sleep over what anyone else in the province or country think about Calgary anyway. Much of the negativity about Calgary from outsiders can be summed up in one word......jealousy.

BTW, anything coming from you Greco Roman in relation to Calgary should outright be ignored. I've said it to you before on previous topics regarding Calgary. You hate Calgary and anything Calgary related. You go out of your way to bash Calgary at every opportunity. Why such the hate for Calgary Greco? I believe it's because you fall into the same category that I was describing in my second paragraph.....jealousy, plain and simple.

[Hootch]

Yes, I'm sure he's so JEALOUS because he doesn't wave red-and-neck coloured pom poms.. :rolleeyes:

[The Kid]

Yes, I'm sure he's so JEALOUS because he doesn't wave red-and-neck coloured pom poms.. :rolleeyes:

Obviously, you didn't really read my post. I never said that Edmontonians were jealous of Calgary, infact I don't think I mentioned Edmontonians at all. I said that "much" of the negativity in regards to Calgary from the outside can be attributed to jealousy and I don't believe I'm that far wrong.

As far as my rant about Greco, go back and read anything he has ever posted about Calgary and tell me that I'm wrong.

Edit: My comments were made from Hootchs original post which said "Im really sure Edmontonians are jealous of your redneck city", before he decided to change it.

[Hootch]

You know what? I just did. And you were actually right, so my apologies for jumping all over you, this forum is making me a little edgy. :koko:

[The Kid]

You know what? I just did. And you were actually right, so my apologies for jumping all over you, this forum is making me a little edgy. :koko:

Apology accepted!:tup:

[Rusty van Reddick]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: when this attitude comes from Toronto or Vancouver or Montreal, it's "justifiable pride". When it comes from Calgary, it's inevitably "snobbishness".

Calgary and TO are in the same boat here. Vancouver gets grudging wiggle room. Montreal gets adulation from everywhere except for the ROQ.

[Edmonchuck]

Gee, this turned into a vs thread...I'm so shocked and horrified...:gaah:

Now, let's start the YOU STARTED IT....NO, YOU STARTED IT...NO YOU STARTED IT...:Titanic:

Seriously, read what Dinger has to say. Take its lesson. Move on.

[Rusty van Reddick]

"Its lesson" was not the same as what the press picked up on. Its lesson was also based on a very shoddy research design- for example, having Vancouver as the only city in BC in the survey pre-cooked the results to favour it.

But despite these problems, the "lesson" was that Calgary did not come off looking bad at all. And this makes sense, because Calgary is in the end a great city and a great place to live.

[Edmonchuck]

...and good for Calgary.

Are we done now?

[Rusty van Reddick]

...and good for Calgary.

Are we done now?

"we"?

[freeweed]

Just thought I'd point out that to some people, saying "my city is good" somehow turns into a vs issue.

Says a lot more about the reader than the poster, if you ask me.

Why the Edmontonians seem to flock to these threads and cry "OMG VS" is beyond me - no one said a single bad thing about Edmonton. Nor any other city.

Article said Calgary is no fun. Calgarians argued this and said it was. Wow, what a battle. :haha:

Edit: oops, sorry. Someone did say something negative about Edmonton - an Edmontonian snowboarder. :haha:

[feepa]

^^ same shit goes either way. Some people just can't take criticism of there own city no matter how true or false it may be.

[wild wild west]

I'm not losing any sleep over it. The net migration numbers tell us we're doing OK. I certainly don't need someone else to heap praise on this great city for me to feel fortunate to be able to live here, and live well. And if some goof from Winnipeg is that obsessed about Calgary that he lurks SSP jumping at every opportunity to complain about our city - well then at least we have the name recognition.

Unfortunately the price of being a business hub is that people perceive business cities as not being particularly fun. Just ask any resident of Atlanta, Houston or Dallas (or Toronto for that matter). These are places where people seek opportunity, not "fun".

[Deepstar]

^My thoughts exactly. I really could care less about what one person's opinion is. The numbers speak for themselves.

Still puzzling though, is the amount of negativity towards Calgary (and Alberta) from Winnipegers. Of all the times I've looked at the Winnipeg/Saskatchewan thread, I've yet to see Calgarians on there posting anything negative. Here on the Alberta section, Winnipeg is rarely ever mentioned, yet always there's a steady negative presence from that direction.

[CCF]

Hmm, I don't think there's a lot of negativity towards Calgary from the Saskatchewan posters though. If there is then I apologize! I enjoy Calgary...but really, I enjoy travelling anywhere.

[wild wild west]

Hmm, I don't think there's a lot of negativity towards Calgary from the Saskatchewan posters though. If there is then I apologize! I enjoy Calgary...but really, I enjoy travelling anywhere.


No, you guys are good. Oh, and Go Riders!

[feepa]

Saskatchewan can't hate Edmonton or Calgary or even Alberta for that matter - it's their second home!

[fortroad]

This is the same kind of garbage that Edmonton has tp put up with in the press, this time it is Calgary that is whipped. I live in Edmonton and I love Calgary, it IS a fun place. I have a blast everytime I go there, then again that could be just that the people I'm with know where to go and what to do!

[freeweed]

Still puzzling though, is the amount of negativity towards Calgary (and Alberta) from Winnipegers. Of all the times I've looked at the Winnipeg/Saskatchewan thread, I've yet to see Calgarians on there posting anything negative. Here on the Alberta section, Winnipeg is rarely ever mentioned, yet always there's a steady negative presence from that direction.

It's not just on the Internet. If you ever visit Winnipeg, be wary of mentioning where you're from. Especially if alcohol is being served.

You know where else I see it from, oddly enough? Quebec. We can have a thread go MONTHS without seeing anyone from the far east post, and one guy makes a comment about Calgary getting something ahead of Montreal, and suddenly 5 Montrealers are raising hell.

Honestly, I think there exists a contingent of people who troll this site doing nothing more than looking for an argument about their home city. :koko:

[SHOFEAR]

some people feel Calgary is a snobbish city. There may be some truth to that.

Honestly, thats what makes Calgary great. Some times it's taken to the extreme, but Calgary has such confidence and balls, it really does feel like they believe the sky's the limit.

[Sacamano]

Still puzzling though, is the amount of negativity towards Calgary (and Alberta) from Winnipegers.

Wasn't Winnipeg destined to be the core of Western Canada until Calgary said the hell with that? If that is the case, the negativity is somewhat understandable from a Montreal's point-of-view.

[Stephen Ave]

I haven't been to Winnipeg for about 6 or 7 years, but I felt some of that negativity when I was there. I was in Winnipeg to help move my company's IT operations to Calgary, so that would be expected from the people I dealt with.

Outside of work, there still seemed to be a general underlying sentiment against Calgary/Edmonton/Alberta.

[tkoe]

You Calgary formers must understand that Winnipeg, like my own inferior city, is such a wasteland that all we could ever possibly talk about is the greatness of Calgary. Its status as the utmost pinacle of success in Western Canada is really the only way to pass the time and we only bitch about Calgary's flaws, not because they may in fact be true in some way, but becuase we are selfish little bitches that are so completely jelous of your success that we will do anything to destroy it. :rolleyes:

[Habanero]

I haven't been to Winnipeg for about 6 or 7 years, but I felt some of that negativity when I was there. I was in Winnipeg to help move my company's IT operations to Calgary, so that would be expected from the people I dealt with.

Outside of work, there still seemed to be a general underlying sentiment against Calgary/Edmonton/Alberta.

It's the old chicken before the egg thing. There is no doubt that there is a general dislike of some kind from many people from Winnipeg. If you browse through this forum, it soon becomes obvious.

A buddy of mine is from Winnipeg, believes it started with 'Calgary having a good economic run, and gaining a bit of attitude', as he puts it.

[freeweed]

You Calgary formers must understand that Winnipeg, like my own inferior city, is such a wasteland that all we could ever possibly talk about is the greatness of Calgary. Its status as the utmost pinacle of success in Western Canada is really the only way to pass the time and we only bitch about Calgary's flaws, not because they may in fact be true in some way, but becuase we are selfish little bitches that are so completely jelous of your success that we will do anything to destroy it. :rolleyes:

Self-fulfilling prophecies, indeed.

[Greco Roman]

You Calgary formers must understand that Winnipeg, like my own inferior city, is such a wasteland that all we could ever possibly talk about is the greatness of Calgary. Its status as the utmost pinacle of success in Western Canada is really the only way to pass the time and we only bitch about Calgary's flaws, not because they may in fact be true in some way, but becuase we are selfish little bitches that are so completely jelous of your success that we will do anything to destroy it. :rolleyes:


Well put, my friend; well put :cool:

[brentwood]

The thing I have trouble reconciling with respect to Calgary, is the widening
gap between the "redneck" reputation of Calgary and the reality of the
evolving demographics of the city. When you look at the percentage of
citizens with post-secondary education, average age, and the ethnic
makeup of the city it really paints a much different picture than 20 or 30
years ago.

I mean if Calgary if really so intolerant and has "an attitude" you would
not expect the increasing ethnic communities. I know people come for
the jobs but if it really was that bad then they would be leaving in droves.
I am sure everyone has a little anecdote, but the statistics do not fall
in line with the outside image constantly perpetuated.

It makes you wonder what derogatory comment about Calgary people with
come up with when the old "redneck" label clearly does not make sense
anymore. Of course, "redneck" originally meant hard working.... maybe it
does fit afterall?

[Stephen Ave]

You Calgary formers must understand that Winnipeg, like my own inferior city, is such a wasteland that all we could ever possibly talk about is the greatness of Calgary. Its status as the utmost pinacle of success in Western Canada is really the only way to pass the time and we only bitch about Calgary's flaws, not because they may in fact be true in some way, but becuase we are selfish little bitches that are so completely jelous of your success that we will do anything to destroy it. :rolleyes:

Posts like that don't help, they just reveal your inferiority complex.

[Stephen Ave]

Well put, my friend; well put :cool:


Correction, this is well put. Not only well put, but quite true.

Self-fulfilling prophecies, indeed.

[Surrealplaces]

You Calgary formers must understand that Winnipeg, like my own inferior city, is such a wasteland that all we could ever possibly talk about is the greatness of Calgary. Its status as the utmost pinacle of success in Western Canada is really the only way to pass the time and we only bitch about Calgary's flaws, not because they may in fact be true in some way, but becuase we are selfish little bitches that are so completely jelous of your success that we will do anything to destroy it. :rolleyes:

Well, when you post comments like that, that's how you really appear.

What might be better is if you stuck to posting positive stuff about Edmonton.

[S_B_Russell]

My Friend From Hamilton Really Like Calgary. Enough Said.

[Western Spaghetti]

You Calgary formers must understand that Winnipeg, like my own inferior city, is such a wasteland that all we could ever possibly talk about is the greatness of Calgary. Its status as the utmost pinacle of success in Western Canada is really the only way to pass the time and we only bitch about Calgary's flaws, not because they may in fact be true in some way, but becuase we are selfish little bitches that are so completely jelous of your success that we will do anything to destroy it. :rolleyes:

Wow, we're so sorry for rubbing your face in it. We'll go easy on you from now on.

[feepa]

Wow, we're so sorry for rubbing your face in it. We'll go easy on you from now on.
I'm pretty sure you are missing the sarcasm.

[Rusty van Reddick]

I'm pretty sure you are missing the sarcasm.

No, we're pretty sure YOU were missing the sarcasm.

[wild wild west]

Maybe we should go ahead and make an "inferiority complex" thread where Greco Roman and anyone else who has a chip on their shoulder can discuss all the things they hate about Calgary in one convenient location.

[feepa]

^^ I thought this thread would do good enough.

I can see some of this better than all - snobbish attitude that others have mentioned in this thread coming out full-tilt.

[Champion3]

I think this is Calgary's big weakness, personally. Too many people in that city have the "I'm better than you" attitude. It's a real turn-off.
Actually I'm going to take this comment and refine it a bit. The Calgary attitude is a strange melding of superiority and inferiority. Calgary likes to think that it's the best at everything, but at the same time can be mortified to hear otherwise.

This is merely an observation I have made having lived both in and out Calgary in various intervals since the 1980's.

[freeweed]

I love how it's impossible to be positive about Calgary without being "snobbish" or having an "attitude".

Seriously folks, lose the chips.

[feepa]

I love how it's impossible to be positive about Calgary without being "snobbish" or having an "attitude".

Seriously folks, lose the chips.

Yet if this was an Edmonton thread, or Winnipeg thread - you'd be all over those cities... like white on rice.

[freeweed]

Yet if this was an Edmonton thread, or Winnipeg thread - you'd be all over those cities... like white on rice.

Except that I'm not, nor really have ever been.

If other cities want to toot their own horns, more power to them.

[wild wild west]

Yet if this was an Edmonton thread, or Winnipeg thread - you'd be all over those cities... like white on rice.

I certainly would not be, because I have better things to do.

[brentwood]

Quite frankly, Calgary has evolved from a fort by the river into what it is today because of this perceived "attitude".

[fusili]

I have many concerns about Calgary in fact. The city is growing too fast. I work part time in the service industry and I know that service quality has decreased drastically over the last three years. We now pay a lot more for a lot less. Everywhere you go, stores and businesses are short staffed and everyone is under a lot of pressure and stress and are too busy. Yes Calgary is growing economically, but I feel that quality of life has decreased since the boom and I feel it will be hard to recover.

End Rant.

[Just Build It]

Yet if this was an Edmonton thread, or Winnipeg thread - you'd be all over those cities... like white on rice.

I doubt it. especially, if it was a Winnipeg thread, I rarely see any negative attacks about Winnipeg on here. Go to the Winnipeg /Saskatchewan section and see how many Calgarians are on there posting negative stuff. With Edmonton, there is that old rivalry that there, so I could see you're point about that, but that's just our friendly sports induced rivalry going on.

You have to remember feepa, you're the one that started this thread. How often do you see Calgary forumers posting a negative article about Edmonton? Some friendly advice, if you don't people jumping on you 'like white on rice' don't post negative articles about someone else's city.

[sync]

fun is what you make it.

boring people are boring, do-nothing people in any city on earth.

[SHOFEAR]

You Calgary formers must understand that Winnipeg, like my own inferior city, is such a wasteland that all we could ever possibly talk about is the greatness of Calgary. Its status as the utmost pinacle of success in Western Canada is really the only way to pass the time and we only bitch about Calgary's flaws, not because they may in fact be true in some way, but becuase we are selfish little bitches that are so completely jelous of your success that we will do anything to destroy it. :rolleyes:

Do you expect Calgarians to somehow owe people in Edmonton or Winnipeg something? For the most part they love their city, they aren't afraid to show it and don't give a shit about the fall out in other cities.

It pisses me off at times, but I respect and admire that hell out of that attitude.

[Champion3]

You all play nice or else I'll call bylaw enforcement and tell them that there's a whole bunch of public urination going on here! ;)

[Edmonchuck]

You have to remember feepa, you're the one that started this thread. How often do you see Calgary forumers posting a negative article about Edmonton? Some friendly advice, if you don't people jumping on you 'like white on rice' don't post negative articles about someone else's city.

...yes, he did start it, and I beleive his opening words were...

Another bullshit article.... but an article none the less...

Otherwords....great, andother stupid article of no relevance that will start a pissing match. How do you define "no fun"...

...it seems he was defending Calgary a bit here IMO.