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bendecido
Dec 4, 2007, 12:24 PM
http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Alberta/2007/12/04/4706585-sun.html
Good to see the private sector getting involved in projects we are commonly used to seeing government take care of. Should be an exciting project. :tup:
Bigtime
Dec 4, 2007, 2:20 PM
The article says it is called Edworthy Club, yet makes mention that people would come and stay in a hotel downtown? I'm confused :shrug:
Is this the club that we have seen rendering of in the construction thread that is on the south side of the bow near Edworthy park? The one with a 'wavy' roof? Because I really don't think that a project of that scope is going to fly with the environmentalists and most people in general if it is taking a giant bite out of some nice green space.
Why does the Sun suck so much and not tell us where this bloody thing is proposed? :hell:
Edit: Thank you Calgary Herald for some decent reporting!
$1B health club for members only
Massive facility planned along Bow River
Eva Ferguson
Calgary Herald
Tuesday, December 04, 2007
CREDIT: Leah Hennel, Calgary Herald
Martin Dolemo of Dolemo Developments wants to build a "Dubai-type" $1-billion health club and condo hotel.
CREDIT: Herald Graphics Department
Critics say a sprawling "sporting and social club" near the Bow River would interfere with wildlife.
A $1-billion private health club, complete with a spa, squash courts, hockey rinks, a movie theatre and a 22-storey condo hotel, is being proposed for the city's west side by a local developer calling it the "largest sporting and social club in North America."
The upscale Edworthy Club would be built just south of the Trans-Canada Highway, between Sarcee Trail and the Bow River. Its developer is seeking approval for land-use changes within the next five months.
"It's a Dubai type of project. We want the biggest and the best in the world," said Martin Dolemo, whose Dolemo Developments has built projects in several Calgary communities.
Dolemo proposes a two-million-square-foot facility to be built on about five hectares of a 19-hectare site, featuring 16 squash courts, two hockey rinks, an auditorium, a conference centre, a spa and wellness centre, a 400-unit condo hotel and some 130,000 square feet of workout space, including three gyms, a running track, tennis courts (10 indoor and seven rooftop) as well as five swimming pools.
The facility will be private, with a goal of up to 10,000 members.
Other amenities are to include six restaurants, stores, an art gallery, music and computer training rooms, a car wash, a nursery and an 11,000-square-foot indoor playground.
"This will be a place where everyone in the family can enjoy themselves . . . but stay together under one roof.
It keeps the family together," Dolemo said.
"And even though it's private, it will free up public space. People from Springbank, for instance, may no longer want to go to the Westside Rec Centre."
But surrounding communities and conservationists fear the project's scale and location are inappropriate for a wildlife corridor adjacent to the Bow River.
David Baker, planning director for the Montgomery Community Association, says the project takes away from the public realm, from the view of the river valley, which is something he says belongs to everyone.
"It's tall, it's massive, it's quite out of context for a river valley . . . a rather mundane piece of glass-and-concrete architecture, which is quite oversized and inappropriate."
Niki Smyth, a member of the society of Bowness Residents, says she opposes the project simply because of its location along the river.
"It's a huge footprint -- 20-plus storeys on top of a private club, inside of a wildlife corridor . . . where there's all kinds of wildlife, flora and fauna."
Mac Hickley, manager of the Parks Foundation's river valleys committee, says he'd rather see the 19 hectares be dedicated to open public park space with an improved pathway system.
"Even though the area they plan to develop is flatter, open space, it's still an important part of the habitat, the habitat area of Edworthy Park continues to this site.
"Animals need that meadow and flatter land, too."
But Dolemo argues his company is doing everything possible to ensure minimal impact on the site, proposing to use only 28 per cent and leaving vegetation undisturbed.
Mike Gavan, a project consultant for Dolemo, adds that environmental assessment studies have been done by the developer showing the lands are a brownfield site, formerly housing a brick factory and an auto-wrecker.
"When we build, we will exceed all regulations placed on us," Gavan said.
Hickley adds that increased traffic to and from the site may pose problems, particularly for neighbouring communities who may get shortcutting.
Other groups are also concerned the recreational features won't be available to the public.
Perry Cavanaugh, president of the Calgary Minor Hockey Association, said he wouldn't want the two hockey arenas closed off to public groups such as minor hockey leagues that need more ice.
"There's a huge demand for ice in this city. For us, it's all about getting as much as we can as quickly as we can."
Dolemo confirmed he wouldn't provide public access to his rinks, explaining that use of those facilities would free up other arenas.
"I'm well aware there is an ice shortage . . . but I'm not here to solve all of the city's problems for them."
No date has yet been set for Dolemo's application to redesignate the land from an urban reserve to a direct control district, but it is expected to go before the Calgary Planning Commission within five months.
Once the planning commission debates the proposal, it will go before a public hearing of city council, allowing communities, environmentalists and any other parties to speak to it.
eferguson@theherald.canwest.com
© The Calgary Herald 2007
NumberFive
Dec 4, 2007, 2:50 PM
How do we fare compared to other cities in "maintaining wildlife"? Seems to me that as a city we already have a large amount of wildlife with areas such as Fish Creek, the river valley's, Nose Hill, etc. (heck, I get angry because we have too many darn rabbits running around my community) Assuming it will be providing a service that a lot of people would use, I don't see the problem.
Bigtime
Dec 4, 2007, 3:01 PM
How do we fare compared to other cities in "maintaining wildlife"? Seems to me that as a city we already have a large amount of wildlife with areas such as Fish Creek, the river valley's, Nose Hill, etc. (heck, I get angry because we have too many darn rabbits running around my community) Assuming it will be providing a service that a lot of people would use, I don't see the problem.
Exactly, the river valleys, where this thing is proposed. We don't need anything of this scale getting put into a natural area. Yes it may have been brownfield beforehand but nature has taken over since that time and using that as a reason to be able to build is just a bad form of spin if you ask me.
Also I hardly think the fact that you have too many rabbits around means that we should greenlight this project.
A service that a lot of people will use, just the 10,000 members and their families. How about a service that everyone of ALL income levels can use? This is just another "look at me I'm a member of the Glencoe Club" facility that is trying to get started.
One doesn't have to look hard beneath the words of that article to see that the developer really doesn't give a shit about the asthetics or environemntal impact or even the context of this facility with its surroundings.
freeweed
Dec 4, 2007, 3:03 PM
How do we fare compared to other cities in "maintaining wildlife"? Seems to me that as a city we already have a large amount of wildlife with areas such as Fish Creek, the river valley's, Nose Hill, etc. (heck, I get angry because we have too many darn rabbits running around my community) Assuming it will be providing a service that a lot of people would use, I don't see the problem.
Most cities of our size have virtually eradicated their wildlife. Tell someone that you often see deer or coyotes (or hell, MOOSE) in your neighbourhood in Calgary and they think you live in a tiny little town in the middle of nowhere. :haha:
Calgary's in a bit of a unique place. Our proximity to the mountains means we get a lot more wildlife than the average city, and the fact that there's virtually nothing built up between us and them just adds to it - compare to either of the coasts, or southern Ontario, or heck, any built-up metro area. Also, the Bow River valley is a major wildlife corridor, moreso than most river valleys. The semi-arid nature of Calgary's climate (plus the geography) means a lot of wildlife funnels right into it, as opposed to spreading out across the surrounding prairie.
While the areas you mention do hold their share of wildlife, the river valley is particularly important as a complete system. Wildlife doesn't exactly thrive when it's broken up into tiny, isolated pockets - populations of large animals need long, unbroken stretches of habitat. It's the same controversy that Banff faces every year, as the highway and other roads (and even hiking trails) continue to segregate natural areas.
Oh, and incidentally, rabbits aren't really wildlife anymore. They're more like Calgary's rats (or Toronto's infamous raccoons), and won't be going anywhere no matter how much greenspace is destroyed. In fact, the more we take out the larger animals (in this case, coyotes mostly), the more bunnies we're going to see. Personally, I like seeing them run around all the time. Makes the city feel just a tiny bit less sterile.
deer in the intersection is not uncommom where i live.
240glt
Dec 4, 2007, 3:42 PM
A service that a lot of people will use, just the 10,000 members and their families. How about a service that everyone of ALL income levels can use? This is just another "look at me I'm a member of the Glencoe Club" facility that is trying to get started.
I tend to agree.
A $1 billion dollar health club ? I doubt this will see the light of day.
compare to either of the coasts, or southern Ontario, or heck, any built-up metro area.
While living in Vancouver (and Victoria before that) there was plenty of wildlife within the city (both cities actually).
There seemed to be more in Victoria than Vancouver but I can't say I've seen more in Calgary than either of those two places.
wild wild west
Dec 4, 2007, 4:05 PM
I would expect the final version of this project, should it go ahead, to look substantially different from the proposal - as in, scaled down. For one, I can't see a 22-storey building being allowed on that site. For another, community associations plus some really militant organizations such as River Valleys Committee will have a lot to say about it. There are also some significant access challenges. And finally, it is in Hodges' ward, and he hates everything.
freeweed
Dec 4, 2007, 7:19 PM
While living in Vancouver (and Victoria before that) there was plenty of wildlife within the city (both cities actually).
There seemed to be more in Victoria than Vancouver but I can't say I've seen more in Calgary than either of those two places.
Fair enough, BC's cities do see this as well. They've also done a heck of a lot better job preserving natural areas than most places. I was more thinking the US west coast. Tell me you've ever seen a coyote running through downtown Seattle. :P
Arch26
Dec 4, 2007, 7:54 PM
Fair enough, BC's cities do see this as well. They've also done a heck of a lot better job preserving natural areas than most places. I was more thinking the US west coast. Tell me you've ever seen a coyote running through downtown Seattle. :P
I think lot of Canadian cities do a pretty good job maintaining wildlife corridors actually... even Toronto. I live right accross False Creek from downtown Vancouver and I've seen Coyotes. But I agree, Seattle would be less likely. ;)
Fair enough, BC's cities do see this as well. They've also done a heck of a lot better job preserving natural areas than most places. I was more thinking the US west coast. Tell me you've ever seen a coyote running through downtown Seattle. :P
Can't say I've seen any wildlife in Seattle.
Its funny (or I find it funny anyway) that I grew up in Vernon which is also close to the wilderness and never saw wild animals in the city the whole time I lived there. It was not until I moved to Victoria that I saw large wild animals in the city.
In Victoria there were cougars removed from the city fairly often. Once from my neighbourhood. Another time from the Empress Hotel parkade. I guess it was looking for a decent restaurant.
240glt
Dec 4, 2007, 8:54 PM
^ Hey I grew up in Vernon too! Up in the BX there were lots of Coyotes, and we'd get a black bear every once in a while. Deer were fairly common, but I don't think any of these animals would venture down into town.
reflexzero
Dec 4, 2007, 8:56 PM
Maybe they can combine it with a monstrosity bridge from 16th and Shaganappi to Sarcee and Bow trail..that would cut 15 minutes off of my commute.
It could offer a place for birds and other nature things to nest or whatever, for those nature types Shelter from the rain, that sort of thing.. . :notacrook:
MalcolmTucker
Dec 4, 2007, 9:03 PM
Realistically, if the developer wanted this project to go forward, he should have covered the rest of the parcel of land with low rise town houses backing on a small practice size golf course.
Then, when the environmentalists came and attacked it, he could have retreated to the concept presented today.
As many of you have mentioned it is unlikely something of this magnitude will go forward as planned, so it will need to be pared down.
Maybe all the developer wants is enough room for a 1000 family club.
Rob D
Dec 4, 2007, 9:06 PM
Fair enough, BC's cities do see this as well. They've also done a heck of a lot better job preserving natural areas than most places. I was more thinking the US west coast. Tell me you've ever seen a coyote running through downtown Seattle. :P
I saw a skunk walking down the sidewalk in the Westend a week ago. Kind of startled me, but I have been told that it isn't too uncommon to see them here.
^ Hey I grew up in Vernon too! Up in the BX there were lots of Coyotes, and we'd get a black bear every once in a while. Deer were fairly common, but I don't think any of these animals would venture down into town.
Excellent! My dad grew up in the BX as well. On the corner of East Vernon Road and McLeish Rd.
I on the other hand grew up on the other side of Swan Lake. Not much for wildlife there except snakes.
NumberFive
Dec 4, 2007, 10:14 PM
Call me a bad person, but I don't see the big deal. I don't look to my city for wildlife... if I wanted that, I'd live in the country.
Bassic Lab
Dec 4, 2007, 10:57 PM
Yay, the big box equivalent of the Glencoe Club, all the pretension, with none of the class. How this qualifies as big, or new, or good, as the original poster indicated, is beyond me.
Kevin_foster
Dec 4, 2007, 11:03 PM
Really?
Can the population of Calgary really support a One Billion Dollar Venue with any type of sustainability?
Good luck!
Bigtime
Dec 4, 2007, 11:10 PM
Really?
Can the population of Calgary really support a One Billion Dollar Venue with any type of sustainability?
Good luck!
I'm sure we can, it would be like asking if Edmonton would be able to support WEM. The fact is that most of us don't want it, at least judging by the reaction on here.
Aylmer
Dec 4, 2007, 11:12 PM
pics...
Boris2k7
Dec 4, 2007, 11:12 PM
Call me a bad person, but I don't see the big deal. I don't look to my city for wildlife... if I wanted that, I'd live in the country.
The wildlife was here before we were here and they still are. Do we have some kind of entitlement to a sterile environment?
I personally am in a suburb right next to a natural park just crawling with wildlife. We DID build in the country and then people get pissy about seeing coyotes and the occasional bear/cougar. Fucking morons.
On a side note, my room overlooks Fish Creek, and there is a pathway behind that gets used by wildlife and people alike. Right now there is some guy taking a picture of the valley and the mountains (I see these guys just about every other day in the same spot). Wait a few minutes and I might see someone with their dog, or perhaps a family of deer (whom chewed up the backyard last week) or a lone coyote looking for scraps. All using the same snowed-over pathway.
Bigtime
Dec 4, 2007, 11:14 PM
pics...
Here ya go:
http://www.dolemocorp.com/edworthy.htm
240glt
Dec 4, 2007, 11:37 PM
^ I like how it's part of someone's HO scale model train set :tup:
murman
Dec 5, 2007, 12:15 AM
I'm sure we can, it would be like asking if Edmonton would be able to support WEM. The fact is that most of us don't want it, at least judging by the reaction on here.
WOW. That has to be one of the most completely naive misunderstandings of the differences in markets and asset classes I've seen in some time. :koko: Where do I even start? Do you even know what this project is proposed to be? Just to start, it's not even proposed to be a fricken' mall. What part of private club don't you understand? :hell:
Innersoul1
Dec 5, 2007, 12:28 AM
The biggest issue beyond scale is certainly going to be access. Have fun with an interchange on Sarcee.
fusili
Dec 5, 2007, 1:09 AM
I pray that this project never goes through. Ever. Too many reasons to count.
Bigtime
Dec 5, 2007, 1:55 AM
WOW. That has to be one of the most completely naive misunderstandings of the differences in markets and asset classes I've seen in some time. :koko: Where do I even start? Do you even know what this project is proposed to be? Just to start, it's not even proposed to be a fricken' mall. What part of private club don't you understand? :hell:
Oh I understand it all thank you very much. All I am saying is that it is pretty naive to think that in Calgary a club like this wouldn't find its 10,000 members. Wouldn't it have been more of a stretch all those years ago to say WEM could make a go of it financially? That's all I was trying to say, I do know the difference between a mall and a private club :cool:
Do you know how long the waiting list is for the Glencoe club or the Winter club? A very very long time, especially in the case of the Glencoe.
We are still a very different city from Edmonton, a lot of people with money here like to make it known that they have it. That gets expressed in houses, cars, clothes and memberships to fancy ass clubs that they barely frequent yet pay crazy ass membership fees for.
So do I think this project would actually get its members? Yes. But I don't want to see it built.
SpongeG
Dec 5, 2007, 5:42 AM
I saw a skunk walking down the sidewalk in the Westend a week ago. Kind of startled me, but I have been told that it isn't too uncommon to see them here.
wait till your drunk stumbling home and you only realizer at the last minute :haha:
craneSpotter
Dec 5, 2007, 6:06 AM
Really?
Can the population of Calgary really support a One Billion Dollar Venue with any type of sustainability?
Good luck!
I think it's possible if you consider the much smaller city of Victoria is supporting a 4 Billion dollar golf&spa resort complete with restaurants and vineyards (http://www.bearmountain.ca/Home/Live/TheVillage.aspx)(< click to see how we roll upscale ;) )- so far >70% of the properties/memberships have been purchased locally.
However, the Victoria project (the largest non-industrial construction project in western Canada btw) has more of a housing component than this so-called private health/wellness club with movie theaters, curling rinks (nothin' says upscale better than curlin'), cement swimming holes and hockey rinks. The spin the spin! Oh it's Dubai scale :haha:
The question is, do wealthy Calgarians want to leave Calgary for R&R? I would think for the most part yes especially during the 6 months of winter. As far a s conventions go, most want to be central. I'm not sure this developer knows what he's doing, of course he did the research and think it will fly.
ScottFromCalgary
Dec 5, 2007, 6:34 AM
The question is, do wealthy Calgarians want to leave Calgary for R&R? I would think for the most part yes especially during the 6 months of winter. As far a s conventions go, most want to be central. I'm not sure this developer knows what he's doing, of course he did the research and think it will fly.
I'm not sure how you define Calgary city limits, but this site is well within Calgary. Not totally central, but not that far off actually.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t279/scottr49/HealthClub.jpg
MalcolmTucker
Dec 5, 2007, 6:59 AM
I'm not sure how you define Calgary city limits, but this site is well within Calgary. Not totally central, but not that far off actually.
Yeah - the site is as central as the winter club comparatively.
Me&You
Dec 5, 2007, 2:45 PM
Yeah - the site is as central as the winter club comparatively.
If you look at the map, it's roughly in between DT and the Winterclub.
Bigtime
Dec 5, 2007, 2:51 PM
If you look at the map, it's roughly in between DT and the Winterclub.
Actually the Winter Club is north of the DT core, just off of John Laurie on 14th Street:
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4752/yycclubsgs2.jpg
Innersoul1
Dec 5, 2007, 3:46 PM
I think it's possible if you consider the much smaller city of Victoria is supporting a 4 Billion dollar golf&spa resort complete with restaurants and vineyards (http://www.bearmountain.ca/Home/Live/TheVillage.aspx)(< click to see how we roll upscale ;) )- so far >70% of the properties/memberships have been purchased locally.
However, the Victoria project (the largest non-industrial construction project in western Canada btw) has more of a housing component than this so-called private health/wellness club with movie theaters, curling rinks (nothin' says upscale better than curlin'), cement swimming holes and hockey rinks. The spin the spin! Oh it's Dubai scale :haha:
The question is, do wealthy Calgarians want to leave Calgary for R&R? I would think for the most part yes especially during the 6 months of winter. As far a s conventions go, most want to be central. I'm not sure this developer knows what he's doing, of course he did the research and think it will fly.
Great point, but keep in mind that Victoria draws many of its purchasers from the Pacific Northwest and beyond. Its the reason why so many Victoria projects spend mega bucks advertising in cities such as Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Portland and Seattle. Victoria's population could not support the majority of its projects.
bigcanuck
Dec 5, 2007, 8:01 PM
The question is, do wealthy Calgarians want to leave Calgary for R&R? I would think for the most part yes especially during the 6 months of winter. As far a s conventions go, most want to be central. I'm not sure this developer knows what he's doing, of course he did the research and think it will fly.
I think we're misinterpreting his comments - I believe he's asking "Do Calgarians really want to spend their money on an expensive Calgary fitness club or would they rather spend their money travelling outside of Calgary?".
Kevin_foster
Dec 5, 2007, 8:10 PM
I'm sure we can, it would be like asking if Edmonton would be able to support WEM. The fact is that most of us don't want it, at least judging by the reaction on here.
Last time I checked you didn't have to earn $100,000+ a year salary to afford to go to WEM :cool: Sure they may have a sweet expensive car wash... but...
I suppose alot of this would also be based on how much foreign/outside demand there would be. If it were like a Victoria golf and CC (as per example above); it would have no problem attracting people out of city/province/country.
Edmonchuck
Dec 5, 2007, 8:55 PM
Please don't compare to WEM...the money comes from the retail component. The rest is one mindbender of a loss leader.
Aylmer
Dec 6, 2007, 12:41 AM
Remins me of the Casino Lac Leamy!
bendecido
Dec 6, 2007, 12:09 PM
When I originally read the story and posted this I thought it was just going to be a huge multi-purpose sport facility designed to relieve the strain on the current venues. Now that I realize that it's going to be an exclusive club, I'm not for it. Boo.
jeremy_haak
Dec 6, 2007, 4:11 PM
When I originally read the story and posted this I thought it was just going to be a huge multi-purpose sport facility designed to relieve the strain on the current venues. Now that I realize that it's going to be an exclusive club, I'm not for it. Boo.
I was wondering why you thought the city should be involved with a private club. This makes a whole lot more sense.
Edmonchuck
Dec 6, 2007, 4:47 PM
Put this in the neverbuilt category..
Bigtime
Dec 6, 2007, 6:08 PM
Put this in the neverbuilt category..
With pleasure! :tup:
Wentworth
May 1, 2009, 1:32 PM
So the developer of this project apparently ran ads in the paper yesterday telling the City of Calgary to pay up (and buy the land) or let them go ahead with the project.
Does anyone really think this project could go ahead with this point, financing wise? I'm guessing they are desparate to get bought out at this point.
Here's a link to the project. They don't show exactly where in Edworthy Park it is to be located.
http://www.dolemocorp.com/
EDIT: They want assessed value plus reimbursement of DP costs for the land.
Bigtime
May 1, 2009, 3:06 PM
I posted the article the Herald ran on this in the Calgary Construction thread. My take on it is that the city should let this guy twist in the wind and buy the property for less than what he is asking.
There is no way he can build this club now. The complete lack of activity on it since December of 2007 also speaks volumes to this thing actually getting done.
frinkprof
May 1, 2009, 3:19 PM
^Pretty much sums up my thoughts as well. As for recovering DP costs, fat chance of that. If all the pretenders had the luxury of recovering their DP costs, the City would be broke!
frinkprof
May 2, 2009, 12:01 AM
Could this thread be moved to the Projects & Construction updates forum, and maybe re-titled, since it is talking about a specific project?
mersar
May 2, 2009, 12:35 AM
Done :)
Vascilli
May 2, 2009, 12:53 AM
Most cities of our size have virtually eradicated their wildlife. Tell someone that you often see deer or coyotes (or hell, MOOSE) in your neighbourhood in Calgary and they think you live in a tiny little town in the middle of nowhere. :haha:
Calgary's in a bit of a unique place. Our proximity to the mountains means we get a lot more wildlife than the average city, and the fact that there's virtually nothing built up between us and them just adds to it - compare to either of the coasts, or southern Ontario, or heck, any built-up metro area. Also, the Bow River valley is a major wildlife corridor, moreso than most river valleys. The semi-arid nature of Calgary's climate (plus the geography) means a lot of wildlife funnels right into it, as opposed to spreading out across the surrounding prairie.
While the areas you mention do hold their share of wildlife, the river valley is particularly important as a complete system. Wildlife doesn't exactly thrive when it's broken up into tiny, isolated pockets - populations of large animals need long, unbroken stretches of habitat. It's the same controversy that Banff faces every year, as the highway and other roads (and even hiking trails) continue to segregate natural areas.
Oh, and incidentally, rabbits aren't really wildlife anymore. They're more like Calgary's rats (or Toronto's infamous raccoons), and won't be going anywhere no matter how much greenspace is destroyed. In fact, the more we take out the larger animals (in this case, coyotes mostly), the more bunnies we're going to see. Personally, I like seeing them run around all the time. Makes the city feel just a tiny bit less sterile.
I did see a family of deer in my alley one morning a few years ago, which is extremely unusual because we don't have any ravines significantly large enough for a good kilometer or so around. Very weird.
Nothing cheers me up from a bad day like seeing a hare having dinner on my lawn. :yes:
This health center sounds a bit out of place, all the non-wildlife stuff that comes with it would be just as bad as the center itself.
Bigtime
May 2, 2009, 1:45 PM
Skepticism over offer to sell land to city
By Kim Guttormson, Calgary Herald May 2, 2009 7:40 AM
A developer's proposal to sell riverside land to the city so it can be turned into a park is being met with caution from interested parties, which approve of more green space but are wary of the cost.
Dolemo Development--through a Thursday newspaper ad--said it would be willing to sell its 16 hectares along the south side of the Bow River near Sarcee Trail for its appraised value, plus development costs to date.
While CEO Martin Dolemo wouldn't put a price to that, the land itself -- using the addresses from Dolemo's first application to develop the site--was assessed at just under $5 million last July.
"Green space along the Bow is vital and rare and irreplaceable," said David Baker, planning director for the Montgomery Community Association. "If the price was fair and market value and taxpayers get value for their money, great. If it just compensates a private developer's miscue in judgment, then no."
In December 2007, Dolemo announced plans to build a $1-billion private health club on the site, including a hotel, arenas and movie theatre. He said he intends to file a new development application in the next three months.
But given some opposition to developing the site, Dolemo said he'd also be willing to sell it to the city or someone else so it could be used as a park.
Ald. Gord Lowe said the city has a process to purchase land for parks "and it's capital-driven. It depends on if we have the money and if the land comes available."
kguttormson@theherald.canwest.com
© Copyright (c) The Calgary Herald
Link (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/todays-paper/Skepticism+over+offer+sell+land+city/1556897/story.html)
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The quote by Baker hits the nail on the head. There is no way the city and its taxpayers should be paying for any bad judgement on the developers part. I would protest this potential sale if the city even entertains the idea of paying a price that would include Dolemo's development costs to date.
frinkprof
May 8, 2009, 1:47 PM
Developer to offer Calgary land to city for $16.4M
Calgary Herald
May 8, 2009 7:27 AM
CALGARY - A developer willing to sell 16 hectares of riverside land to the city says the property has been appraised at $16.4 million -- and he's dropped the requirement that any sale include out-of-pocket development costs.
Martin Dolemo, CEO of Dolemo Developments, said he plans to formally approach the city about the land's availability, after running a newspaper advertisement last week.
The appraisal, he said, was done in February by Colliers International.
As of last July, the city had assessed the property --using the addresses from Dolemo's first application to develop the site -- at just under $5 million.
In December 2007, Dolemo announced plans to build a $1-billion private health club on the site, including a hotel, arenas and movie theatre.
He said he still intends to file a new application regarding the proposed development in the next three months.
But given some opposition to developing the site, Dolemo said he'd also be willing to sell it to the city or someone else so it could be used as a park.
Doug Marter, the city's manager of parks planning, said land along the river is a priority, but that parcel --on the southwest side of the Bow River and north of Sarcee Trail -- hasn't been on the city's radar because it was privately owned.
There is no money for it in the legacy parks fund, he added.
Dale Hodges, the local alderman, said Dolemo hasn't spoken to him. He added it's unusual to con-duct land sales through the media.
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