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LosAngelesSportsFan
Nov 3, 2011, 10:53 PM
Fantastic news. slowly but surely Hollywood is really shaping up with interesting and smart urban buildings.

pesto
Nov 4, 2011, 4:47 PM
Great news! Offsets my depression from the 43 story Liebeskind downtown being converted to 7 story apartments.

Agree with LASF: Hollywood looks to be continuing as one of the real growth centers of LA, with buildings of some interest. As it should be.

But I guess I should stay skeptical until the cranes show-up.

Bond007
Nov 11, 2011, 5:45 PM
Is California Landmark's Wilshire/Barrington Tower finally under construction? I've noticed cranes and other heavy construction equipment on-site the past week.

colemonkee
Nov 11, 2011, 7:23 PM
^ I haven't heard anything about that. Can you grab some pictures next time you're there? That would be really cool if it was back on.

Bond007
Nov 11, 2011, 7:45 PM
^It looks like it's back on though can't be sure. I only have a crappy phone camera. If anyone else is in the area with a quality camera please take a pic. Otherwise I'll try to get one off my phone.

LAsam
Nov 11, 2011, 7:54 PM
That intersection needs some development because it's on life support right now. Hopefully they are actually moving forward now with this tower.

Illithid Dude
Nov 12, 2011, 6:57 AM
Wilshire/Barrington is about to break ground? Who would have thunk that the Westside would be the first place in L.A. to break the high-rise drought.... Not that I am complaining, of course!

a9l8e7n
Nov 12, 2011, 6:11 PM
Does anyone know of a thread specifically for the Wilshire/Barrington project? If not maybe we should make one because it is pretty clear work has started on that site.

Bond007
Nov 12, 2011, 6:37 PM
^ I drove by the Wilshire/Barrington Tower site last night on my way out. There's a concrete pump and 2 crane's on site. Not sure if they're truck-mounted cranes or crawler cranes. Couldn't see because of the fence barricade. They were working into the early evening. If I can get some pics soon I will.

a9l8e7n
Nov 12, 2011, 6:54 PM
I found the thread for this project. Please post pics on it if you can.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=206482

Bond007
Nov 12, 2011, 6:57 PM
Wilshire/Barrington Tower

Here's the link to the developer site and project.

http://www.californialandmark.com/wilshire_barrington.html

Muji
Nov 13, 2011, 3:41 AM
2 shots from this afternoon of the Westlake/MacArthur Park TOD. I'll hold off judgment on the ground floor since it's still going through some work, but it's hard not to be disappointed by how cheap the rest of the building looks. It's going to look poorly aged in less than a few years.

http://urbandiachrony.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/img_0588-e1321155348756.jpg

http://urbandiachrony.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/img_0592-e1321155365935.jpg

all of the trash
Nov 13, 2011, 8:22 AM
yeah i pass by that building everyday on my ride home from work. it is definitely a hulking turd but i don't really mind it too much for that area. infill around L.A. is a good thing.

edluva
Nov 13, 2011, 10:10 AM
wow that's just a waste of building materials, and brownfield.


it's amazing the sheer amount of ugly shit that get's built in LA and would never happen elsewhere. really amazing.

dktshb
Nov 13, 2011, 5:00 PM
This city never ceases to disappoint me when it comes to every single new development that goes up. Really?

Easy
Nov 13, 2011, 10:53 PM
wow that's just a waste of building materials, and brownfield.


it's amazing the sheer amount of ugly shit that get's built in LA and would never happen elsewhere. really amazing.

That's just not true. You should look at the developments posted on the blog Queens Crap. It makes LA look pretty good by comparison. In fact this building, which is cheap-looking affordable housing, looks about as good or better than the average project being built in Queens. Or in most US cities really. LA doesn't do much very well, but we have a lower proportion of wtf architecture than most cities. We're consistently average which is more than most can say.

202_Cyclist
Nov 14, 2011, 12:59 AM
Easy:
That's just not true. You should look at the developments posted on the blog Queens Crap. It makes LA look pretty good by comparison. In fact this building, which is cheap-looking affordable housing, looks about as good or better than the average project being built in Queens. Or in most US cities really. LA doesn't do much very well, but we have a lower proportion of wtf architecture than most cities. We're consistently average which is more than most can say.

Although perhaps not the most ambitious architecturally, every planner and zoning official should come to DC to see how to do transit-oriented development and infill right. While we have some developments that could be better, DC consistently gets this right.

LosAngelesSportsFan
Nov 14, 2011, 1:59 AM
absolute garbage

OneMetropolis
Nov 14, 2011, 2:22 AM
Is this really how dense DT LA is? I never fully been in DT only seen it from USC (which is a awesome college btw) since I was on a college tour and DT wasn't on our plans.:(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aRlhtYabnU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Illithid Dude
Nov 14, 2011, 2:23 AM
Is this really how dense DT LA is? I never fully been in DT only seen it from USC since I was on a college tour and DT wasn't on our plans.:(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aRlhtYabnU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Yes, DTLA is really that dense. Also, this question should probably be in the Downtown Los Angeles thread, but whatever.

OneMetropolis
Nov 14, 2011, 2:35 AM
Yes, DTLA is really that dense. Also, this question should probably be in the Downtown Los Angeles thread, but whatever.

Oops I forgot :haha:

Steve2726
Nov 14, 2011, 2:45 PM
^ I drove by the Wilshire/Barrington Tower site last night on my way out. There's a concrete pump and 2 crane's on site. Not sure if they're truck-mounted cranes or crawler cranes. Couldn't see because of the fence barricade. They were working into the early evening. If I can get some pics soon I will.

The 2 cranes on site look like they doing perimeter shoring work. Not sure the name of that piece of equipment unfortunately, but it hammers steel plates down into the ground, and they then become the temporary outer wall for the space underground.

edluva
Nov 15, 2011, 8:19 AM
Yes, DTLA is really that dense. Also, this question should probably be in the Downtown Los Angeles thread, but whatever.

DTLA is ghetto dense.

onemetropolis - you didn't really miss out on much. DTLA isn't as interesting as it appears from aerials and skilled photography. especially if you've been to more urban cities. Here's my summary of downtown LA:

chinatown - forgettable asian swap-meet
olvera - mexican themed swap-meet where you can buy maracas and sombreros that are made in china
little tokyo - ok, maybe worth a look
bunker hill (where all the skyscrapers are) - brutal and sterile. just buy a postcard.
broadway - giant salvadoran swap-meet (albeit amidst beautiful old buildings)
south park - overly commercialzed LA Live clusterfuck - if you've been to downtown disney or any number of other soul-less "McDowntown" developments, you've seen them all. aka downtown disney with jumbotrons. espnzone, lawry's, lucky strike, etc. etc. blah blah.

the reason downtown la is uninteresting - until recently, it hasn't been a real functioning urban community. just vestiges of a distant urban past

Illithid Dude
Nov 15, 2011, 8:34 AM
DTLA is ghetto dense.

onemetropolis - you didn't really miss out on much. DTLA isn't as interesting as it appears from aerials and skilled photography. especially if you've been to more urban cities. chinatown is a forgettable asian swap-meet, little tokyo is ok, bunker hill (where all the skyscrapers are) is brutal and sterile, and broadway is a giant salvadoran swap-meet (albeit amidst beautiful old buildings). south park can be summed up by the overly commercialzed LA Live clusterfuck - if you've been to downtown disney or any number of other soul-less "McDowntown" projects, you've seen them all.

Not so. Around 7th Street, Spring, and Main are great, vibrant, non swap-meety areas. However, if this conversation is to continue, it should continue in the DTLA thread...

edluva
Nov 15, 2011, 8:40 AM
Not so. Around 7th Street, Spring, and Main are great, vibrant, non swap-meety areas. However, if this conversation is to continue, it should continue in the DTLA thread...

well, stop continuing this discussion then.

you obviously have different (eg. lower) standards, and need to get out of la to see what real urbanism is about.

7th and fig is just crappy. i half expect to see a vacant montgomery wards, payless shoes, and an orange julius in that pit (but until recently pleasantly surprised to see an outdated macy's). the rest of 7th is just spotty, perhaps only good for "canyon photo-op" and the extremely occasional dinner you'll only go to because your tightly knit group of high-school friends are having a reunion at wockano's. :haha:
spring - spotty. couple restaurants here and there. see above.
main - spotty. couple restaurants here and there. see above.

overall - lack of cohesion. dtla is still a destination/event hood. get in, and get out. don't pretend it's suddenly become some established urban nabe just because it's gained some hipster-occupied lofts over the past decade.

Illithid Dude
Nov 15, 2011, 9:01 AM
well, stop continuing this discussion then.

you obviously have different (eg. lower) standards, and need to get out of la to see what real urbanism is about.

7th and fig is just crappy. i half expect to see a vacant montgomery wards, payless shoes, and an orange julius in that pit (but until recently pleasantly surprised to see an outdated macy's). the rest of 7th is just spotty, perhaps only good for "canyon photo-op" and the extremely occasional dinner you'll only go to because your tightly knit group of high-school friends are having a reunion at wockano's. :haha:
spring - spotty. couple restaurants here and there. see above.
main - spotty. couple restaurants here and there. see above.

overall - lack of cohesion. dtla is still a destination/event hood. get in, and get out. don't pretend it's suddenly become some established urban nabe just because it's gained some hipster-occupied lofts over the past decade.

All right, fuck it, let's continue the discussion here. Believe me, I've been out of L.A. and seen what real urbanism is about. I've been through Europe, Asia, South America, and North Ameica, and seen the best cities those continents have to offer. And yes, I realize that Los Angeles is not at the legal of those great urban cities. But still, you undersell L.A. too much. I would hardly compare Bottega Louie, Mas Malo, Sugar Fish, or any of the other restaurants on 7th to Wokano. The same with the great restaurants on Spring or Main. Moreover, high end shopping has started opening up on those streets over the last year. Why, just last week, a new men's boutique opened up on Spring, one of a decidedly high end nature. You can't expect downtown to be on the same level of, say, Melrose, yet. It still gentrifying. But it is so much better then you always say it is.

edluva
Nov 15, 2011, 9:18 AM
i won't disagree with you that downtown LA is a good place to dine out on the occasion.

but i will say, not much more than that. if i had a weekend visitor here from germany or tokyo, or sydney, (as i have), downtown la would not be a best foot to put forward. perhaps a good place to spend an hour for dinner, fly-by for skyline pics off the 10 - and then leave. would you not agree?

how do i undersell LA? it really does suck at urbanism. its food culture absolutely underwhelms for a city of its size, and relies on the sheer size of its immigrant enclaves for anything worthwhile. true street life is anemic. everything good about LA relies on its sheer scope. but pound for pound, it absolutely sucks at being a big city. how do i know? i speak to people all over the world, those who actually know a thing or two about urbanism

LA is only cool as a concept once you include all the sights that are not really in LA, but dispersed across its expanse of ubiquitous suburbs.

Illithid Dude
Nov 15, 2011, 9:36 AM
i won't disagree with you that downtown LA is a good place to dine out on the occasion.

but i will say, not much more than that. if i had a weekend visitor here from germany or tokyo, or sydney, (as i have), downtown la would not be a best foot to put forward. perhaps a good place to spend an hour for dinner, fly-by for skyline pics off the 10 - and then leave. would you not agree?

how do i undersell LA? it really does suck at urbanism. its food culture absolutely underwhelms for a city of its size, and relies on the sheer size of its immigrant enclaves for anything worthwhile. true street life is anemic. everything good about LA relies on its sheer scope. but pound for pound, it absolutely sucks at being a big city. how do i know? i speak to people all over the world, those who actually know a thing or two about urbanism

LA is only cool as a concept once you include all the sights that are not really in LA, but dispersed across its expanse of ubiquitous suburbs

How do you undersell L.A.? By writing this like you just wrote. I'm typing on an iPad, which is sort of a pain, so not going to dispute all of your claims. Just some of them. You say that L.A. has no food culture. Now, that might be the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard anyone say about L.A. Almost everyone can agree, or apparently almost everyone, L.A. has great food. From the taco stands to the sushi bars, L.A. has some of the best food in the country, if not the world. I've heard multiple highly regarded international people say that L.A. Has the best selection of food in the country. Say what you will about architecture, or urbanism, but don't say that L.A. has no food culture. Also, we have the best hamburgers in the world, and that is a fact.

edluva
Nov 15, 2011, 9:58 AM
How do you undersell L.A.? By writing this like you just wrote. I'm typing on an iPad, which is sort of a pain, so not going to dispute all of your claims. Just some of them. You say that L.A. has no food culture. Now, that might be the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard anyone say about L.A. Almost everyone can agree, or apparently almost everyone, L.A. has great food. From the taco stands to the sushi bars, L.A. has some of the best food in the country, if not the world. I've heard multiple highly regarded international people say that L.A. Has the best selection of food in the country. Say what you will about architecture, or urbanism, but don't say that L.A. has no food culture. Also, we have the best hamburgers in the world, and that is a fact.

foodwise, la relies too much on the scale of it's ethnic enclaves for anything worthwhile. it's great food, but serving a near facsimile of food from x y and z countries does not constitute a local "restaurant scene". it just means that LA is a big diverse metro area, and has some great authentic ethnic food.

But LA lacks a strong restaurant scene - one where local chefs open restaurants which define new and innovate genres of cooking. LA has lots of poseurs - restaurants and restauranteurs focused more on image than substance (how surprising!). We have trendy interior decorators and neat looking restaurants as a result, but the focus on food is lacking. just like our actors, they come here to become famous, not because they are artists obsessed with the art of acting.

i will say it - LA lacks a strong food culture. kind of goes with the fact that it lacks urbanism - almost all of the things that we value about civilization (including cuisine) stem from urbanism so it should be no surprise.

Illithid Dude
Nov 15, 2011, 10:08 AM
foodwise, la relies too much on the scale of it's ethnic enclaves for anything worthwhile. but serving a near facsimile of food from x y and z countries does not constitute a local "food scene". it just means that LA is a big diverse metro areav, and has some great ethnic food.

But LA lacks a strong restaurant scene - one where local chefs open restaurants which define new and innovate genres of cooking. LA has lots of poseurs - restaurants and restauranteurs focused more on image than substance (how surprising!). We have great interior decorators, but the focus on food is lacking. just like our actors, who come here to become famous, not because they are artists consumed with the art of acting.

i will say it - LA lacks a strong food culture.

Simply not true. Like I said, we have great hamburgers. Arguably,the best in the world. L.A Invented the gastropub, which has become so popular around the country. And I can think of dozens of retardants that do not rely on other cultures and still manage to be amazing culinary experiences. I could list them, but it is pointless to do so. However, it say that there is no food culture in L.A. Is simpy incorrect.

edluva
Nov 15, 2011, 10:16 AM
believe what you will. great hamburgers. good going! :tup: i don't believe you've traveled extensively like you've implied if you fall back on LA's gourmet hamburger "scene" as a counterargument. clearly you demonstrate no clue about food scenes elsewhere, i know you're not a person i'd ask for dining recommendations that's for sure ;)

and i should mention i'm not wholesale implying that la has no good innovative restaurants. but relatively few and far between, and for a city of its size, a very weak "scene" if you'd even all it one.

btw, the gastropub concept was coined in the british isles. it's fairly obvious they'd be the first to come up with the idea.

JDRCRASH
Nov 15, 2011, 12:10 PM
moderators, please...

LAsam
Nov 15, 2011, 4:58 PM
Illithid Dude becomes the latest victim of Edluva's bait. No need to go into these conversations here... ColeMonkee will end up rightfully deleting it all.

pesto
Nov 15, 2011, 6:30 PM
Illithid Dude become the latest victim of Edluva's bait. No need to go into these conversations here... ColeMonkee will end up rightfully deleting it all.

How true. You have to wonder how LA shows up on so many top 5's and top 10's in the WORLD with no culture, no arts, no food, no educational institutions, no anything.

LAsam
Nov 15, 2011, 6:46 PM
How true. You have to wonder how LA shows up on so many top 5's and top 10's in the WORLD with no culture, no arts, no food, no educational institutions, no anything.

They've all bought in to all the SSP boosterism! :D

all of the trash
Nov 16, 2011, 2:05 AM
How true. You have to wonder how LA shows up on so many top 5's and top 10's in the WORLD with no culture, no arts, no food, no educational institutions, no anything.


http://images.picturesdepot.com/photo/d/disneyland_castle_with_micky_and_minnie-19613.jpg

Illithid Dude
Nov 16, 2011, 2:13 AM
Illithid Dude becomes the latest victim of Edluva's bait. No need to go into these conversations here... ColeMonkee will end up rightfully deleting it all.

Yeah, I'm done. There is no use arguing with him, he exists for the sole purpose of making others angry. I'm done, I know I am right, and so does the rest of the world, and that is what matters to me.

all of the trash
Nov 16, 2011, 2:21 AM
edluva trolled and derailed the thread but I can't really disagree with much of what he said, nor does anything he said negate that there's a lot of great food in L.A. Sometimes people need to separate their ego's from the city they live in. It really goes for SSP as a whole.

Illithid Dude
Nov 16, 2011, 2:31 AM
edluva trolled and derailed the thread but I can't really disagree with much of what he said, nor does anything he said negate that there's a lot of great food in L.A. Sometimes people need to separate their ego's from the city they live in. It really goes for SSP as a whole.

No, shhhhhhh. We're done talking about food. Just, don't bring it up.

edluva
Nov 16, 2011, 3:10 AM
Yeah, I'm done. There is no use arguing with him, he exists for the sole purpose of making others angry. I'm done, I know I am right, and so does the rest of the world, and that is what matters to me.

I know I'm right, therefore I am!

source?

JDRCRASH
Nov 16, 2011, 5:28 AM
Don't worry everyone; i'm sure someone that constantly criticizes his own city MUST know SOMETHING to help it improve!! :rolleyes:

LAsam
Nov 16, 2011, 7:36 PM
For those of you interested in a little South Bay development, the long dormant site of Campus El Segundo is now under active construction. The project is being built in phases... the first piece which includes the soccer fields and new fire station are already completed. The next piece, which includes all the buildings west of the soccer fields are currently being consructed. The project is located between Nash, Douglas, Mariposa, and Maple. The total office square footage of the project is nearly 2 million sq ft.

http://campuselsegundo.com/

http://campuselsegundo.com/images/views/campus_el_segundo_lg1.jpg

http://campuselsegundo.com/images/views/campus_el_segundo_lg7.jpg

http://campuselsegundo.com/images/views/campus_el_segundo_lg2.jpg

Bond007
Nov 16, 2011, 9:02 PM
The 2 cranes on site look like they doing perimeter shoring work. Not sure the name of that piece of equipment unfortunately, but it hammers steel plates down into the ground, and they then become the temporary outer wall for the space underground.

Thanks for the info. Steve2726. :)

OneMetropolis
Nov 16, 2011, 10:33 PM
DTLA is ghetto dense.

onemetropolis - you didn't really miss out on much. DTLA isn't as interesting as it appears from aerials and skilled photography. especially if you've been to more urban cities. Here's my summary of downtown LA:

chinatown - forgettable asian swap-meet
olvera - mexican themed swap-meet where you can buy maracas and sombreros that are made in china
little tokyo - ok, maybe worth a look
bunker hill (where all the skyscrapers are) - brutal and sterile. just buy a postcard.
broadway - giant salvadoran swap-meet (albeit amidst beautiful old buildings)
south park - overly commercialzed LA Live clusterfuck - if you've been to downtown disney or any number of other soul-less "McDowntown" developments, you've seen them all. aka downtown disney with jumbotrons. espnzone, lawry's, lucky strike, etc. etc. blah blah.

the reason downtown la is uninteresting - until recently, it hasn't been a real functioning urban community. just vestiges of a distant urban past

Maybe give it time and it will come together as a whole...? Or something it's bound to get better right? But I get where your coming from.

dachacon
Nov 17, 2011, 10:14 AM
For those of you interested in a little South Bay development, the long dormant site of Campus El Segundo is now under active construction. The project is being built in phases... the first piece which includes the soccer fields and new fire station are already completed. The next piece, which includes all the buildings west of the soccer fields are currently being consructed. The project is located between Nash, Douglas, Mariposa, and Maple. The total office square footage of the project is nearly 2 million sq ft.

http://campuselsegundo.com/

http://campuselsegundo.com/images/views/campus_el_segundo_lg1.jpg

http://campuselsegundo.com/images/views/campus_el_segundo_lg7.jpg

http://campuselsegundo.com/images/views/campus_el_segundo_lg2.jpg


This is the Thomas Properties project right?
Looking at the latest office report for the area, it shows the vacancy rate at almost 25%. Its to early for speculative building, even if its only a 300k square foot building. Do they have a tenant already signed?

pesto
Nov 17, 2011, 4:42 PM
dachacon: you anticipated me. This sounds especially exciting if the developer believes there is demand for office space in that area.

LAsam
Nov 17, 2011, 10:21 PM
Did some more research and it looks like it's a hotel being built... not sure if this was part of the original plan given the website made no mention of it.

http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_19342453?IADID=Search-www.dailybreeze.com-www.dailybreeze.com

milquetoast
Nov 18, 2011, 2:53 AM
how do i undersell LA? it really does suck at urbanism. Edluva? You a poopy -head, brutha. . When your friends drop in from points abroad, did you ever consider that maybe, just maybe, you are the one who sucks? Holding them hostage as you drive them around unaware of the city in which you reside? Selling their experience short as you do your own town? Sure, your assumptions sound well thought out, with the area unable to assemble any critical urban mass and all ..... according to you! . Don't answer to this as I know I'm right - therefore I am.

sopas ej
Nov 18, 2011, 1:48 PM
From LA Curbed:

De-Densification Alert: Wilshire/Barrington Project Shrinks, Goes Rental, Breaks Ground

Thursday, November 17, 2011, by Neal Broverman

http://la.curbed.com/uploads/2011_11_wilbarrington-thumb.jpg

The Wilshire/Barrington project long-planned for the northeast corner of that intersection is finally moving forward, developer California Landmark announced today, though it will be a much smaller version of the original 28 story, 78 unit condo tower. The new mixed-use development, renamed the bw, will be a six story apartment building (the rendering looks taller because some of the units are multi-story)--it will still have 78 units, though obviously smaller than in the previous incarnation. The apartments will range in size from 700 to 1,300 square feet, with rents from $2,200 to $4,000.

...


Read the blurb by clicking here (http://la.curbed.com/archives/2011/11/dedensification_alert_wilshirebarrington_project_shrinks_goes_rental_breaks_ground.php).

Bond007
Nov 18, 2011, 5:17 PM
^^^ Great thanks for the update. :) Was wondering what was going on there.

JDRCRASH
Nov 19, 2011, 3:31 AM
^ Yeah, pretty much no wonder it's now under-construction.

bobbyv
Nov 20, 2011, 3:34 AM
DTLA is ghetto dense.

onemetropolis - you didn't really miss out on much. DTLA isn't as interesting as it appears from aerials and skilled photography. especially if you've been to more urban cities. Here's my summary of downtown LA:

chinatown - forgettable asian swap-meet
olvera - mexican themed swap-meet where you can buy maracas and sombreros that are made in china
little tokyo - ok, maybe worth a look
bunker hill (where all the skyscrapers are) - brutal and sterile. just buy a postcard.
broadway - giant salvadoran swap-meet (albeit amidst beautiful old buildings)
south park - overly commercialzed LA Live clusterfuck - if you've been to downtown disney or any number of other soul-less "McDowntown" developments, you've seen them all. aka downtown disney with jumbotrons. espnzone, lawry's, lucky strike, etc. etc. blah blah.

the reason downtown la is uninteresting - until recently, it hasn't been a real functioning urban community. just vestiges of a distant urban past

you're a whiny little racist punk, i bet if it was an Italian swapmeet you would be happy, all you ever do is come on this site and talk smack about LA, if you dont like it than leave.

edluva
Nov 20, 2011, 7:15 AM
Edluva? You a poopy -head, brutha. . When your friends drop in from points abroad, did you ever consider that maybe, just maybe, you are the one who sucks? Holding them hostage as you drive them around unaware of the city in which you reside? Selling their experience short as you do your own town? Sure, your assumptions sound well thought out, with the area unable to assemble any critical urban mass and all ..... according to you! . Don't answer to this as I know I'm right - therefore I am.

you're an example of the embarrassing side of LA i don't want my friends to see. ignorant and philistine (look it up)

edluva
Nov 20, 2011, 7:15 AM
you're a whiny little racist punk, i bet if it was an Italian swapmeet you would be happy, all you ever do is come on this site and talk smack about LA, if you dont like it than leave.

how am i racist? explain. i bet i can debunk you in a heartbeat.

edluva
Nov 20, 2011, 7:44 AM
double post

Illithid Dude
Nov 20, 2011, 9:58 AM
how am i racist? explain. i bet i can debunk you in a heartbeat.

It's true. Edluva may be many things, but racist he isn't.

He hates everyone equally ;)

edluva
Nov 20, 2011, 11:42 AM
^the more positive corollary to that is that i love everyone equally

and i prefer to be positive ;)

Quixote
Nov 23, 2011, 2:20 AM
Some good news to report! The proposed hotel at Cahuenga/Selma has been resurrected from the dead. The plan is to commence construction in the spring and open in fall 2013. More at link:

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2011/11/hollywoods_selma_hotel_alive_and_well_becoming_a_dream.php

http://la.curbed.com/uploads/2011.11_dream.jpg

BrandonJXN
Nov 23, 2011, 2:40 AM
you're an example of the embarrassing side of LA i don't want my friends to see. ignorant and philistine (look it up)

Howling with laughter.

Illithid Dude
Nov 23, 2011, 5:31 AM
Some good news to report! The proposed hotel at Cahuenga/Selma has been resurrected from the dead. The plan is to commence construction in the spring and open in fall 2013. More at link:

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2011/11/hollywoods_selma_hotel_alive_and_well_becoming_a_dream.php

http://la.curbed.com/uploads/2011.11_dream.jpg

I really love this project. It's dense, attractive, and goes out of its way to be pedestrian friendly. It converts an alley into a pedestrian walkway for Peets sake! This building takes pride in its community, and wants to give back to it. I like that. Plus, since it is being built on top of an existing parking structure, there is no gain in parking spaces. It's a perfect development.

LosAngelesSportsFan
Nov 23, 2011, 6:13 AM
I really love this project. It's dense, attractive, and goes out of its way to be pedestrian friendly. It converts an alley into a pedestrian walkway for Peets sake! This building takes pride in its community, and wants to give back to it. I like that. Plus, since it is being built on top of an existing parking structure, there is no gain in parking spaces. It's a perfect development.

Agreed. this is the kind and scale of infill we need in Hollywood. i think the sweet spot is 8 - 15 stories, minimal to no parking and great design. Once funding is readily available again, we are going to see the majority of streets perpendicular to Hollywood and Sunset developed with projects like this. Hell, its already happening in a slower fashion, but it will really take off in the next couple years.

all of the trash
Nov 23, 2011, 7:27 AM
yeah thats a nice building. i hope it gets built along with the emerson college building. but whats that building thats on the actual corner? is it a render or an existing building? or a render of an existing building? i can't tell

LAsam
Nov 23, 2011, 4:48 PM
yeah thats a nice building. i hope it gets built along with the emerson college building. but whats that building thats on the actual corner? is it a render or an existing building? or a render of an existing building? i can't tell

I think the odds are fairly good both the Emerson College and Cahuenga/Selma are built because I believe financing is in place for both. The building on the corner already exists, they are just going to renovate it.

Kingofthehill
Nov 24, 2011, 9:34 PM
landed at lax this morning and, wow, the new terminal really is coming along!

Illithid Dude
Nov 25, 2011, 1:17 AM
landed at lax this morning and, wow, the new terminal really is coming along!

Welcome back!

Kingofthehill
Nov 25, 2011, 4:52 AM
Welcome back!
thanks! it always feels good to be home! i hope all is well with everybody :) with that said, is there any major, new infill worth photographing? or, really, anything new of note that has gone up since the last time i was here (august). i do plan on checking out artisan house sometime this weekend.

Illithid Dude
Nov 25, 2011, 5:11 AM
thanks! it always feels good to be home! i hope all is well with everybody :) any major, new infill worth photographing?

Actually, yes. I was going to get around to it, and maybe still will, but if you are asking...

-On Ocean Ave. in Santa Monica, a really super well done hotel. Very modern, and no stucco, and huge.

- Also on Santa Monica, off of Wilshire, a new medical building, right next to the Staples and across the street from the giant new UCLA hospital. It's not *on* Wilshire, but right off of it. Very nice building, all concrete and glass, and has the first automated parking structure in Southern California.

- On Olympic and Stewert, also in Santa Monica, they are building this *massive* glassy building. Easily the biggest thing in Los Angeles under construction right now. It's simply huge. And looks attractive, too, surprisingly. You can't miss it.

- In West Hollywood, they just finished the new Library, which is right across the way from the Pacific Design Center. Speaking of which....

- The Red Building in the Pacific Design Center is almost finished. It's a really cool building, one of my favorites in the world. It's just so distinct...

- The new Ceder Sinai building is all tall and glassy right now. Actually is turning out surprisingly well, considering it is a hospital. Plus, it is being built right up against the sidewalk, making it pedestrian friendly. Actually, it's sort of creating an urban canyon in that area.

- 8500 Burton Way is under construction. It's a very cool, pedestrian oriented building under construction on... Burton Way. Its Caruso's building. They have a crane up and everything! I think it looks like a building from the Jetsons, from the renderings, which I think is a good thing.


And that is pretty much all the good infill under construction in L.A.

BrandonJXN
Nov 25, 2011, 8:49 PM
Yeah..check out that hotel in Santa Monica but do it at night. The courtyard is bathed in beautiful blue lighting. It really looks amazing.

pesto
Nov 26, 2011, 5:48 PM
Actually, yes. I was going to get around to it, and maybe still will, but if you are asking...

-On Ocean Ave. in Santa Monica, a really super well done hotel. Very modern, and no stucco, and huge.

- Also on Santa Monica, off of Wilshire, a new medical building, right next to the Staples and across the street from the giant new UCLA hospital. It's not *on* Wilshire, but right off of it. Very nice building, all concrete and glass, and has the first automated parking structure in Southern California.

- On Olympic and Stewert, also in Santa Monica, they are building this *massive* glassy building. Easily the biggest thing in Los Angeles under construction right now. It's simply huge. And looks attractive, too, surprisingly. You can't miss it.

- In West Hollywood, they just finished the new Library, which is right across the way from the Pacific Design Center. Speaking of which....

- The Red Building in the Pacific Design Center is almost finished. It's a really cool building, one of my favorites in the world. It's just so distinct...

- The new Ceder Sinai building is all tall and glassy right now. Actually is turning out surprisingly well, considering it is a hospital. Plus, it is being built right up against the sidewalk, making it pedestrian friendly. Actually, it's sort of creating an urban canyon in that area.

- 8500 Burton Way is under construction. It's a very cool, pedestrian oriented building under construction on... Burton Way. Its Caruso's building. They have a crane up and everything! I think it looks like a building from the Jetsons, from the renderings, which I think is a good thing.


And that is pretty much all the good infill under construction in L.A.

Nice list. It's interesting about the density in WeHo/Beverly Center; you would think that the Pink Line was still on the drawingboard.

1950's spacey is what I thought about Caruso's building also. Lots of curves. If you haven't been to WeHo library, go there; there is a great panoramic view of Red/Green/Blue. Parking is woefully inadequate, however.

Illithid Dude
Nov 26, 2011, 6:51 PM
Parking is woefully inadequate, however.

Which is a good thing. When it is harder to find parking in Los Angeles it encourages usage alternate forms of transportation. Frankly, I'm surprised that someone on this forum is complaining about the lack of parking.

SD_Phil
Nov 27, 2011, 2:14 AM
^let's not have this conversation again and just pretend like we did. In any case, construction good!

sopas ej
Nov 27, 2011, 4:59 AM
yeah thats a nice building. i hope it gets built along with the emerson college building. but whats that building thats on the actual corner? is it a render or an existing building? or a render of an existing building? i can't tell

Isn't that the building that the Spotlight bar was at? Ah, the Spotlight...

pesto
Nov 27, 2011, 5:45 PM
^let's not have this conversation again and just pretend like we did. In any case, construction good!

As a special Thanksgiving present I will agree.

In any event, try to walk or bike to WeHo and see the view from the upper level of the library. Red, green, blue.

SD_Phil
Nov 27, 2011, 6:45 PM
^Love that trio. Sharp sharp sharp looking buildings.

DistrictDirt
Nov 28, 2011, 10:51 PM
well, stop continuing this discussion then.

you obviously have different (eg. lower) standards, and need to get out of la to see what real urbanism is about.

7th and fig is just crappy. i half expect to see a vacant montgomery wards, payless shoes, and an orange julius in that pit (but until recently pleasantly surprised to see an outdated macy's). the rest of 7th is just spotty, perhaps only good for "canyon photo-op" and the extremely occasional dinner you'll only go to because your tightly knit group of high-school friends are having a reunion at wockano's. :haha:
spring - spotty. couple restaurants here and there. see above.
main - spotty. couple restaurants here and there. see above.

overall - lack of cohesion. dtla is still a destination/event hood. get in, and get out. don't pretend it's suddenly become some established urban nabe just because it's gained some hipster-occupied lofts over the past decade.

LOL...Wokano's? Really? There are probably 100 better restaurants in the vicinity- many of which have opened the past year alone. We can all cherry-pick examples. I mean...NYC sucks for restaurants because there's a Sbarro's in Times Square...right? :haha:

Then again, what do I know? I'm probably a philistine that wouldn't know good urbanism if it hit me in the face. After all, I've only visited 5 out of 7 of the continents so far and have only lived in backwaters like London, Philly, and DC before moving to LA.

Please Edluva, leave the convo to those of us that can refrain from making sweeping, false, generalizations about neighborhoods they clearly don't know anything about.

LosAngelesBeauty
Nov 28, 2011, 11:16 PM
LOL...Wokano's? Really? There are probably 100 better restaurants in the vicinity- many of which have opened the past year alone. We can all cherry-pick examples. I mean...NYC sucks for restaurants because there's a Sbarro's in Times Square...right? :haha:

Then again, what do I know? I'm probably a philistine that wouldn't know good urbanism if it hit me in the face. After all, I've only visited 5 out of 7 of the continents so far and have only lived in backwaters like London, Philly, and DC before moving to LA.

Please Edluva, leave the convo to those of us that can refrain from making sweeping, false, generalizations about neighborhoods they clearly don't know anything about.


:cheers:

edluva
Nov 28, 2011, 11:55 PM
Please Edluva, leave the convo to those of us that can refrain from making sweeping, false, generalizations about neighborhoods they clearly don't know anything about.

sweeping generalizations they may be, but false they are not. i obviously use wockano to make a general point about the vibe in downtown. i know these neighborhoods pretty well (i live here) and they don't impress me at all. hell, the mission in SF has a more interesting collection of restaurants than DTLA on the basis of quality alone.

but then again, a philistine crowd wouldn't appreciate the difference.


brighamyen - :banana: cheerleaders unite!

DistrictDirt
Nov 29, 2011, 2:38 AM
i obviously use wockano to make a general point about the vibe in downtown.

What is that point exactly? That "the vibe" in downtown isn't up to your standards? Because of one crappy chain restaurant that most DTLA residents wouldn't order takeout for their dogs from, let alone be caught dead in? More to the point, why are you using Wokano as an example when their are dozens of highly rated, nationally recognized, unique restaurants throughout Downtown that you could have picked instead? Because it doesn't fit your "downtown sucks and anyone who disagrees must not have good taste" narrative?

i know these neighborhoods pretty well (i live here)

Oh? Whereabouts Downtown do you live? Maybe we can grab a drink at Wokano. I heard it has a really great vibe. :cool:

LosAngelesBeauty
Nov 29, 2011, 2:47 AM
brighamyen - :banana: cheerleaders unite!

I own it bitch ;-)

J_M_Tungsten
Nov 29, 2011, 3:56 AM
I really love this project. It's dense, attractive, and goes out of its way to be pedestrian friendly. It converts an alley into a pedestrian walkway for Peets sake! This building takes pride in its community, and wants to give back to it. I like that. Plus, since it is being built on top of an existing parking structure, there is no gain in parking spaces. It's a perfect development.

Pretty cool looking. Just wondering, does anyone think it will look dated relatively quickly? It seems that if this were in another city, it would be dated looking quickly, but because it's L.A., it will be bad ass for many a year!

Illithid Dude
Nov 29, 2011, 5:15 AM
Pretty cool looking. Just wondering, does anyone think it will look dated relatively quickly? It seems that if this were in another city, it would be dated looking quickly, but because it's L.A., it will be bad ass for many a year!

All architecture becomes dated eventually. You just have to enjoy it until it becomes so.

213
Nov 29, 2011, 6:17 AM
On the other hand, the 7th Street Wockano is a well-located, Zagat-rated eatery that serves 'til 2 a.m. seven days a week and is an up-market, late night alternative to Denny's and IHOP. The downtown we aspire to would have at least a dozen-or-so more of such.

LosAngelesSportsFan
Nov 29, 2011, 7:55 AM
Edluva's trippin. Sugarfish, Mas Malo, Bottega, Soi 7 are all within the same 100 feet and all are very good, unique restaurants. Plenty of high end stuff on Flower, from Rivera and Palm near Staples, to Drago Centro and Chaya in the business district, and then you can add in all the restaurants on Fig from Roys to Mortons. For off the wall, newer concepts, we can look at Spring St with Gorbals and 6th street which has some good stuff coming up.

edluva
Nov 29, 2011, 10:03 AM
What is that point exactly? why are you using Wokano as an example when their are dozens of highly rated, nationally recognized, unique restaurants throughout Downtown that you could have picked instead?

downtown is not an interesting neighborhood. it's more of a theme-restaurant destination, where lots of hipsters and crappy DIY art galleries happen to also reside. the use of wockano highlights the former point. sure there are better (fusion) restaurants, but whatever - aside from a couple pricey restaurants, you're basically trying to distinguish between the fords and lincolns of fine dining here.

that's not to say these places don't serve tasty food, or that there's no good food downtown. there's plenty of good run-of-the-mill ethnic (particularly the sashimi bars on 2nd). it's just not a "restaurant scene", and this kind of food can be found (and often is, literally as another carbon-copy branch) in may other parts of LA. btw, it seems angelenos (see LASF's post above) like to take pride on their take of fusion, which is rather weak. for example, throw a couple traditionally non-mexican garnishes into a mexican dish and voila, it's fusion to angelenos :haha: how well travelled are we to think such ridiculous things? the next thing you'll tell me is wurstkuche is authentic german.

and i don't get what you mean by "nationally recognized". please explain

LASF - next time you're in SF, visit mr pollo, where the menu changes on a nightly basis, or range, or delfina, or flour + water, or dozens of other hidden gems in the mission, where decor actually takes a backseat to the chef's vision, (and you don't have to dress up or valet as you would with many of LAs "finer" establishments) and then come back and tell me how "unique" your recommendations are.

that's precisely the difference - really good restaurants are few and (literally) far between in LA, and where they do occur, they tend to be exhorbitively priced, a fuss to dine at, and for occasions (eg. bridal showers, anniversaries, etc) in other cities, they're a dime a dozen, and you go there to eat.

Because it doesn't fit your "downtown sucks and anyone who disagrees must not have good taste" narrative?

generally speaking, angelenos do have somewhat inferior taste overall. it isn't genetic of course, but rather the result of ignorance. i should probably rephrase your question to: anyone who disagrees must be an angeleno forumer and booster. it only makes sense that we are poorer, less educated, less urban, and probably less traveled than denizens of most other urban cities in the western world. did you not get that from my dozens of other posts?

sopas ej
Nov 29, 2011, 2:24 PM
downtown is not an interesting neighborhood.

Your feeling is entirely subjective. In fact most of what you said in your last post is subjective. Even what you said about Mr. Pollo.

And, when you make generalizations about Angelenos, do you include yourself in those generalizations?

Which brings me to my next question; I don't know much about you, and you maybe have mentioned it before, but, are you a transplant?

pesto
Nov 29, 2011, 6:48 PM
This seems like a dead-end. SF has many good and interesting restaurants. LA has them as well, and DT has its share. We should probably stick to informing each other of new and interesting places and otherwise not get into city vs. city.

btw, for those who don't like DT's restaurants you can say so without referencing other cities.

LosAngelesSportsFan
Nov 29, 2011, 7:14 PM
downtown is not an interesting neighborhood. it's more of a theme-restaurant destination, where lots of hipsters and crappy DIY art galleries happen to also reside. the use of wockano highlights the former point. sure there are better (fusion) restaurants, but whatever - aside from a couple pricey restaurants, you're basically trying to distinguish between the fords and lincolns of fine dining here.

that's not to say these places don't serve tasty food, or that there's no good food downtown. there's plenty of good run-of-the-mill ethnic (particularly the sashimi bars on 2nd). it's just not a "restaurant scene", and this kind of food can be found (and often is, literally as another carbon-copy branch) in may other parts of LA. btw, it seems angelenos (see LASF's post above) like to take pride on their take of fusion, which is rather weak. for example, throw a couple traditionally non-mexican garnishes into a mexican dish and voila, it's fusion to angelenos :haha: how well travelled are we to think such ridiculous things? the next thing you'll tell me is wurstkuche is authentic german.

and i don't get what you mean by "nationally recognized". please explain

LASF - next time you're in SF, visit mr pollo, where the menu changes on a nightly basis, or range, or delfina, or flour + water, or dozens of other hidden gems in the mission, where decor actually takes a backseat to the chef's vision, (and you don't have to dress up or valet as you would with many of LAs "finer" establishments) and then come back and tell me how "unique" your recommendations are.

that's precisely the difference - really good restaurants are few and (literally) far between in LA, and where they do occur, they tend to be exhorbitively priced, a fuss to dine at, and for occasions (eg. bridal showers, anniversaries, etc) in other cities, they're a dime a dozen, and you go there to eat.



generally speaking, angelenos do have somewhat inferior taste overall. it isn't genetic of course, but rather the result of ignorance. i should probably rephrase your question to: anyone who disagrees must be an angeleno forumer and booster. it only makes sense that we are poorer, less educated, less urban, and probably less traveled than denizens of most other urban cities in the western world. did you not get that from my dozens of other posts?

you are just a hater with a negative attitude towards LA, and Downtown in general. You can never see anything positive, but thats just the way you are. ive traveled all over the world and take pride in going to authentic, one of a kind restaurants and Downtown LA does very well in this regard. Yes, we could still use more, but to say that Downtown LA is not a food scene is just wrong.

DistrictDirt
Nov 29, 2011, 9:24 PM
you are just a hater with a negative attitude towards LA, and Downtown in general. You can never see anything positive, but thats just the way you are. ive traveled all over the world and take pride in going to authentic, one of a kind restaurants and Downtown LA does very well in this regard. Yes, we could still use more, but to say that Downtown LA is not a food scene is just wrong.

Today I learned that Edluva is not a foodie.

all of the trash
Nov 30, 2011, 3:24 AM
I understand Districtdirt and BrighamYen are being paid to be enthusiastic about LA but the rest of you really need to stop wrapping up your egos in the city. I disagree with edluva but I don't feel all personally hurt by his opinion as some of you seemingly are

also can we ban the word 'foodie' from existence

citywatch
Nov 30, 2011, 3:24 AM
I drop by this forum on occasion hoping to see something new about projs like blvd 6200.

more of this, please.....

http://www.blvd6200.com/Pictures/HomePagePic.jpg
blvd6200.com

less of this, thank you...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JWdI8aKt8dk/ThRkkgjlyvI/AAAAAAAAAUY/arLCIieDxNM/s400/DontFeedTheTroll.jpg

LosAngelesSportsFan
Nov 30, 2011, 3:57 AM
I understand Districtdirt and BrighamYen are being paid to be enthusiastic about LA but the rest of you really need to stop wrapping up your egos in the city. I disagree with edluva but I don't feel all personally hurt by his opinion as some of you seemingly are

also can we ban the word 'foodie' from existence

What an odd comment. so i should censor myself because i don't have a blog or city job?

either way, who cares. its good for edluva to have his own options, more power to him. i agree with some things he says and disagree with most, but when he tries to state his opinions as fact and generalizes about the city i live in, you bet im gonna comment.

Illithid Dude
Nov 30, 2011, 4:31 AM
I understand Districtdirt and BrighamYen are being paid to be enthusiastic about LA but the rest of you really need to stop wrapping up your egos in the city.

Paid? To like Los Angeles? I know this is shocking, but some people are able to like L.A. even without monetary incentives.

RST500
Dec 5, 2011, 7:56 PM
Welcome to the Los Angeles Metro thread covering the developments outside of downtown.





Could someone please update these projects.

LosAngelesSportsFan
Dec 5, 2011, 8:37 PM
are you serious with these posts? what do you think these threads are?

Illithid Dude
Dec 6, 2011, 2:19 AM
Could someone please update these projects.

Wow. I didn't realize you did the same exact thing for the L.A. Metro thread. Someone delete this posts, and give this guy a warning.... OR EDIT YOUR OWN POST SO I DON'T HAVE TO SCROLL THROUGH THE FRONT PAGE EVERY TIME I WANT TO LOOK AT PEOPLE ACTUALLY PARTAKING IN CONSTRUCTIVE DISCUSSION

jamesinclair
Dec 6, 2011, 2:40 AM
Internet fail.

Phoenix22
Dec 6, 2011, 5:21 PM
are there any big projects in Long Beach or Orange County?
it look like Southern California stop all constructions

RST500
Dec 6, 2011, 7:45 PM
http://la.curbed.com/archives/2011/12/cim_wants_wehos_movietown_caruso_wants_fairfax_ross.php

BrandonJXN
Dec 6, 2011, 8:17 PM
Yay! News from my neck of the woods (I live a block away from this).



Word out of last night's Culver City city council meeting is that the council unanimously picked developers Combined Properties and Hudson Pacific Properties to build on the city's Parcel B in downtown. Four developers had proposed projects for the site (see them all here), which is already entitled for a three-story, 115,000 square foot retail and office development with 84 underground parking spaces. Ehrlich Architects is in charge of design for Combined/Hudson's project. The Grand Stair is meant to take advantage of the site's views and was inspired by New York's High Line park, the Spanish Steps in Rome, and DC's Lincoln Memorial steps, according to the group's proposal. Their plan includes perimeter-circling retail and that stairway leading up to 15,000 square feet of open space on an elevated plaza. The plaza will have "free Wi-Fi, outdoor dining, water features, and landscaped areas where people will be able to congregate, relax, and take in the views of Culver Studios, the Culver Hotel and Downtown."

According to the proposal, the Washington Blvd. side of the project will complement the adjacent Trader Joe's--the developers hope to draw a gourmet marketplace, an arts/crafts/paper products store, and an exercise studio. On Culver Blvd., they imagine a "primary retail district" with apparel, shoes, accessories, coffee, a blowdry bar or nail salon, and a focus on "'unique' nationals, locals, and independent brands." On the Culver Studios side, they propose outdoor dining with "the feel of San Francisco's Belden Alley." They're hoping to draw a gelato shop, a bakery, a sandwich place, and a lounge.

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2011/12/culver_city_picks_giant_stairway_project_for_downtown_parcel.php

pesto
Dec 7, 2011, 5:12 PM
Can't really complain about the CC choice. It's a solid basic structure that allows changes in it's function and look based on how its furished and decorated. I assume greenery and shade will be coming along.

The key is to get about 2k housing units in the immediate area. The shopping and dining are already pretty solid.