[drew]

^ but then they would have to include 2010, when Winnipeg had far fewer murders than typical...

Those graphs only show 2009.

[Wharn]

Toronto still sits at 44 with only two weeks left in the year. The CBC has an up to date interactive map you can track the locations and descriptions of the homicides.

Last year we had 60, and in 2009 we had 61. I think as more people are moving into the core and areas gentrify and become more 24/7, neighborhoods in the city become safer.

I don't think such a dramatic drop from last year could be attributed entirely to gentrification. That would be like saying "Well the murder rate is way down compared to last year, must be because Rob Ford chased away all the poor people!"

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

Those numbers are for the 416( Or Toronto), Mississauga murders or the like are not part of the equation. I'm not sure what your point is mike.

He's talking about places like Rexdale and Scarberia. Places many downtowners are not even aware of, but which most normal people would know as "the inner suburban belt". Looking at the CBC map, I'm very happy to see North Scarberia and my home borough of North York doing so well compared to the rest of the city. There's got to be at least 500,000 people in that area, with only 4 murders.

[Andrewjm3D]

He's talking about places like Rexdale and Scarberia. Places many downtowners are not even aware of, but which most normal people would know as "the inner suburban belt"

I'm well aware of where they are as are most Torontonians. The murder count I posted included all of that. As for Gentrification not being the only factor for a low rate this year, I agree but it is the reason why for such a large city we have one of the safest downtown's.

[SmileyBoy]

I don't think such a dramatic drop from last year could be attributed entirely to gentrification. That would be like saying "Well the murder rate is way down compared to last year, must be because Rob Ford chased away all the poor people!"

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.



He's talking about places like Rexdale and Scarberia. Places many downtowners are not even aware of, but which most normal people would know as "the inner suburban belt". Looking at the CBC map, I'm very happy to see North Scarberia and my home borough of North York doing so well compared to the rest of the city. There's got to be at least 500,000 people in that area, with only 4 murders.

I live in North York (Village at York) and back on July 26th, I was the victim of a home invasion robbery at gunpoint. The men literally broke into my room while I was sleeping like a baby and put a gun to my head and started demanding drugs. The past 119 days and the remaining days in my life have been a gift to me from God.

Luckily I wasn't murdered (obviously), I replaced all the stuff they stole, and the incident was far enough in the past that it doesn't bother me too much anymore.

Just wanted to say that as sort of an ironic response to the "low" murder numbers in North York this year. Almost did me a fat lot of good.

[vid]

The toughest, and saddest decision that a family would have to make
Written by: James Murray on December 23, 2011.
http://netnewsledger.com/2011/12/23/the-toughest-and-saddest-decision-that-a-family-would-have-to-make/

THUNDER BAY – It had to be the toughest, and saddest decision that a family would have to make. The kind of decision family would never want to make.

Today the family of Barney Beaver, the man who was the victim of a brutal assault at the Victoria Inn last weekend had to decide on what they should do with the life of their loved one.

Family members are reporting that the decision has been made, and the family decided to unplug life support.

That was done at 6:00PM this evening.

Ronnie Beaver, the brother of Barney Beaver has been in contact with NetNewsledger through this ordeal for the family.

The family has stayed together through this difficult time.

Pray for the community of Webequie and the Families.

Four years ago, my uncle died of an assault like this, but we didn't get to say goodbye. Hopefully they get justice for what happened.

This is Thunder Bay's third homicide of 2011, and this was the second member of Webequie First Nation to die in a tragedy in Thunder Bay this year. The first was 15-year-old Jordan Wabasse, who was the 8th native youth to be found dead in a river here since 2000.

[PrairieGirl]

Sounds like a lot of trite excuses to me.

If you are qualified for a job, you have the same chance (in some cases a better chance if you are a visible minority) to get a job as any one else. Again, as someone else mentioned getting a higher education is free for a majority of status Indians. The programs are there if people want to use them.

Until a lot of Aboriginals stop pointing the finger at the Federal Government and the "white man" and start looking deeper at themselves and try to correct the social problems from within, you are not going to move anywhere.


I have heard a number of Indians/First Nation people say something similar. One, in particular, I remember saying that our worst enemy now is ourselves and more specifically our Chiefs.

Another First Nation man, whose family is very politically active here in Saskatchewan, said he doesn't feel sorry at all for Attawapiskat. He seemed to think they spent a lot of money on items that weren't necessary and a big chunk of it benefited very few (he was also referring to a Chief) . I also remember him saying once "Aboriginals or whatever the politically correct flavour of the day is." He doesn't mince words ... his childhood was spent in a residential school and when he grew up he joined the Canadian Armed Forces and stayed with them until he hit retirement age.

[Cre47]

Ottawa got its 11th, 2nd in a row in Barrhaven.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Woman+Ottawa+11th+homicide+victim+2011/5912031/story.html

[Wharn]

I live in North York (Village at York) and back on July 26th, I was the victim of a home invasion robbery at gunpoint. The men literally broke into my room while I was sleeping like a baby and put a gun to my head and started demanding drugs. The past 119 days and the remaining days in my life have been a gift to me from God.

Luckily I wasn't murdered (obviously), I replaced all the stuff they stole, and the incident was far enough in the past that it doesn't bother me too much anymore.

Just wanted to say that as sort of an ironic response to the "low" murder numbers in North York this year. Almost did me a fat lot of good.

Every city (borough?) has its trouble spots. For Scarborough, this would be most of Eglinton Avenue. For North York, it would be pretty much everything west of Dufferin- the map clearly reflects this reality. Unfortunately for you, Village at York is located in the trouble zone. Glad to hear you survived the break-in, how did they manage to do it?

I'm well aware of where they are as are most Torontonians. The murder count I posted included all of that. As for Gentrification not being the only factor for a low rate this year, I agree but it is the reason why for such a large city we have one of the safest downtown's.

Mike was talking about the suburban areas, and you mentioned that the numbers did not include areas like Mississauga. In turn, I pointed out that he was not referring to non-416 suburbs at all. Still don't know what he was trying to accomplish by pointing out that most murders take place in the concrete jungle of western North York. I still don't think gentrification has anything to do with it, because there are plenty of downtowns with working-class populations that remain functional and safe, and Northern Scarborough isn't exactly wealthy by any standards- yet it appears to be one of the safest places in the city.

[vid]

Charge upgraded to murder
Carl Clutchey
Thursday, December 29, 2011 - 08:00

A 33-year-old man who had been accused in the assault of a long-time Webequie First Nation band office worker has been charged with second-degree murder.
Thunder Bay Police upgraded the charge on Wednesday from aggravated assault, four days after Barney Beaver succumbed to serious injuries in Thunder Bay Regional Health Sciences Centre.
Beaver, 53, was found unconscious in his room at Thunder Bay’s Victoria Inn around noon Dec. 17 by cleaning staff, police said.

http://www.chroniclejournal.com/content/news/local/2011/12/29/charge-upgraded-murder

Thunder Bay is now officially at 3.

[Spoolmak]

4 people shot and killed in Surrey over the holiday season.
Homicide investigators must be run off their feet with another murder early Tuesday in Surrey. The young man was found dead less than 10 hours after a man was fatally shot in Langley last night.

The latest victim was killed about 7:30 a.m. in the 9500-block of 125th Street in Surrey.

Last night, a 38-year-old man was gunned down outside a home in the 9100-block of 207 Street in Langley’s Walnut Grove neighbourhood.

The BC Ambulance Service found the man bleeding in the driveway beside a luxury SUV. Attendants pronounced the victim dead at the scene.

The Integrated Homicide Investigation Team is working with other specialized teams to process the scene, canvass the area and speak with neighbors and witnesses.

“As we are in the preliminary stages of this investigation the details are limited. We are attempting to gather evidence with the intention of leading investigators to the person responsible for this homicide,” Sgt. Jennifer Pound said about 2 a.m. Tuesday of the Langley shooting.

I imagine they are doing the same for the latest Surrey case.

People with information about either murder are asked to call the IHIT tip line at 1-877-551-4448.
IHIT is also the agency investigating the Christmas Eve murder of Bradley McPherson, 28, at a rowdy Surrey holiday party, and the shooting death of 27-year-old convenience store employee Alok Gupta about 4 p.m. on Christmas Day near 96 Avenue and 118 Street in Surrey.
The murder rate across the region is down in 2011 despite the rash of recent violence.

[mersar]

Sounds like Calgary is going to end around 12 this year, Edmonton recorded #45 the other day.

[vid]

Thunder Bay is actually at 4. Somehow I missed one. I can't recall what it might be.

We're at just under 3.5/100,000. Winnipeg, Halifax and Edmonton have higher rates than us, Regina is just below, according to our local news.

[Oliver May]

Quebec City is heading for 2. Lévis (south shore of Quebec City) is at 0.

2 for the Bas St. Laurent (entire area east of Quebec City to the N.B. border) - it was a double murder - suicide or a double suicide - murder.

1 for Thetford Mines (town of 25,000 south-west of Quebec City) and 1 for the Beauce (area south of Quebec City/Lévis to the Maine border).

Populations - Regions south of Quebec City (2 homicides) 200,000
Lévis 137,000
Quebec City (metro includes Lévis, etc.) 715,000
(The city formed in 2002 is about 550,000)

[rrskylar]

Shooting in Winnipeg last night, number now at 39.

[chrisallard5454]

A man was shot on the 600 block of Selkirk Avenue. He later succumbed to his injuries in the hospital. A woman was also shot but has recovered. Winnipeg adds one more to the list before less than 24 hours before the new year. Lets hope this record will never be achieved or broken in the future. My prayers to the family and friends of the 39 of those who lost their lives this year in Winnipeg. It is a great city, it just needs some love.

Neighbourhood Perspective:

http://www.cbc.ca/manitoba/features/homicides/

North End:
Lord Selkirk Park (Pop. 1 365) = 4
William Whyte (Pop. 6 220) = 2
Dufferin (Pop. 2 090) = 2
St. Johns (Pop. 7 725) = 2
Robertson (Pop. 4 205) = 1
Total (Pop. 21 605) = 11

Downtown:
Portage-Ellice (Pop 1 105) = 3
Central Park (Pop 3 555) = 3
Exchange Dist. (Pop 420) = 3
Total (Pop. 5080) = 9

North Central Winnipeg:
North Point Douglas (Pop. 2 225) = 7
Centennial (Pop. 2 225) = 1
Total (Pop. 4 450) = 8

South Winnipeg:
River-Osbourne (Pop. 4 880) = 2
Fort Richmond (Pop. 11 610) = 1
Munroe East (Pop 8 460) = 1
Niakwa Place (Pop. 2 385) = 1
Riverview (Pop. 4 350) = 1
Total (Pop. 31 685) = 6

West End:
Daniel Mcintyre (Pop. 9 750) = 3
St. Mathews (Pop. 5 575) = 1
Total (Pop. 15 325) = 4

North East Winnipeg:
Beaumont (Pop. 2 360) = 1
Total (Pop. 2 360) = 1

This date:
Winnipeg (Pop. 693 200) = 39
Winnipeg (2010) = 22
Winnipeg (2009) = 29

5.63 / 100 000

[Darkoshvilli]

So we finish with 35 (1.80/100k) for the year. Par for the course the last few years.

08': 29
09': 31
10': 37

For the whole province, there were 102. 84 last year.

[Marty_Mcfly]

St. John's finishes the year with 4 homicides, a rate of about 2.08 per 100,000. This is compared to 3 in 2010, and what I believe was either 0 or 1 in 2009.

[-Harlington-]

So assuming nothing happened over New Years that hasnt been reported Halifax is ending at 17 this year .

[Oliver May]

Journal de Montreal is saying a triple murder - suicide in St. Victor in Beauce back in March 2011. I find this debatable at best. The guy and his ex-wife/girlfriend were off their heads on drugs (coke, I believe) when the car crashed (Stéphane Doyon was driving). I would say that he didn't intend to kill himself and given the state he was in how can we judge what he was thinking.

[chrisallard5454]

Well Winnipeg has 0. Beat that everyone.:) Happy New Years. To Edmonton, Halifax and Winnipeg, let's hope we can turn around the stats and set a new type of record for this year.

[Coldrsx]

3 suspicious deaths or murders in the past 48. Bravo

[Blitz]

Windsor finished 2011 with 1 and London finished with 8.

[UPP]

suprisingly its been a quite year in regina for homcides, i dont no exact numbers, but last i heared we were at 11. Not sure about saskatoon, but were def not Number 1 like a few years ago

there is no way Regina had 11 murders in 2011. We've never hit double digits in a year. While I'm not completely sure, I think we had around 6 this year. Nothing since the summer though if I remember correctly.

[DizzyEdge]

Calgary finished with 11 for 2011, which is about 1.0 / 100k

[Oliver May]

Toronto is at 3 (on Jan. 2, 2011). Not a good start to the year.

North bay was the murder capital for 2010.
Winnipeg was the winner/loser for larger cities.

[chrisallard5454]

^^^ For 2010 or 2011? For 2010 it only had 22 homicides so it must have been 2011.

[softee]

Toronto is at 3 (on Jan. 2, 2011). Not a good start to the year.

North Bay was the murder capital for 2010.
Winnipeg was the winner/loser for larger cities.

North Bay? I think you meant Thunder Bay? As far as I know North Bay hasn't had a murder in years.

[vid]

Thunder Bay was murder capital for 2010. In 2011, we came in fourth place. North Bay has only had one or two homicides in the past decade as far as I know, it's one of the safest cities in the country.

[Rico Rommheim]

Toronto is at 3 (on Jan. 2, 2011). Not a good start to the year.

North bay was the murder capital for 2010.
Winnipeg was the winner/loser for larger cities.

Wow that's unreal!

[vid]

Considering how many people get drunk on New Years, it isn't really a surprise to see a few homicides on that day. It'll be "unreal" if they keep up the more than one a day murder rate into February.

[Rico Rommheim]

Whoops! My "unreal" comment was supposed to be in response to Quebec city's insanely low murder rate!

[Wharn]

Windsor finished 2011 with 1 and London finished with 8.

EIGHT? When did this final murder take place?

That's pathetic. I'll bet it was a typical London crime, some poor bloke killed for $100 or less.

[Oliver May]

My mistake, Thunder Bay not North Bay.

Sorry North Bay, as others have said one of Canada's safest cities.

Quebec City along with North Bay didn't have any murders in 2007.

[bulliver]

Won't someone think of the homicide detectives!?!!!

[Symz]

EIGHT? When did this final murder take place?

That's pathetic. I'll bet it was a typical London crime, some poor bloke killed for $100 or less.

Wasn't the 8th the guy that was shot in downtown London?

[MonkeyRonin]

Toronto finished the year with 45 murders for a rate of 1.7/100,000 - the lowest its been in nearly 30 years and half of what it was just 6 years ago.


EIGHT? When did this final murder take place?

That's pathetic.

That would give it a rate of 2.2/100,000, just a little above the typical Canadian average, not bad at all.

[Rusty van Reddick]

That would give it a rate of 2.2/100,000, just a little above the typical Canadian average, not bad at all.

stop injecting logic and perspective into this thread.

[BretttheRiderFan]

So how many did Edmonton finish with in 2011??and was it more or less than Toronto? Lol

Not sure how many Grande Prairie had, maybe a couple. We've been getting safer through the years it seems, despite our rising numbers in Macleans (6th place latest issue)

[vid]

If Grande Prairie had more than a couple homicides, its rate would be through the roof.

We had a 16 year old stab a 24 year old in the back yesterday morning, the 24 year old is in hospital. They knew each other. No word on the 24-year-old's condition.

[BretttheRiderFan]

If GP had a couple murders, our rate would be less than 4 per 100k, not too insanely high but about average for western cities. Like I said most years we have between 2-4 but I sense 2011 was lower because I didn't hear much about murders here, especially with Edmonton hogging all the headlines.

[bulliver]

I believe the final tally was 45 for Edmonton.

[The_Architect]

Edmonton finishes with the same amount of homicides as Toronto, and yet which city has the undeserved reputation of being dirty and crime-ridden?

[chrisallard5454]

I have never heard that said about Toronto. And that shouldn't be said about Edmonton. Edmonton finished off on par with some of the best in the U.S. and on par with many from the rest of the world. People have to stop trying to glorify the fact that Edmonton had a bad year.

[chrisallard5454]

If you want a dirty and crime infested city, go to Juarez. You won't be disappointed.

[Acajack]

Edmonton finishes with the same amount of homicides as Toronto, and yet which city has the undeserved reputation of being dirty and crime-ridden?

I don't think Toronto has a reputation for being dirty and crime-ridden. When it comes to that, there are a few Prairie cities and even Montreal which are perceived in a more negative light I would say.

[Coldrsx]

I have never heard that said about Toronto. And that shouldn't be said about Edmonton. Edmonton finished off on par with some of the best in the U.S. and on par with many from the rest of the world. People have to stop trying to glorify the fact that Edmonton had a bad year.

True, but locally that means squat. We had a terrible year for murders/homicides and need to address why.

[Airboy]

True, but locally that means squat. We had a terrible year for murders/homicides and need to address why.

The current transient nature of our population is part of the problem. But when you look at the current list there is no real major pattern. The biggest spike we saw is the number of arguments that escalated into knife fights. There were only a couple of drug gang killings.

I have a neighbour that works with the coroner’s dept., she indicated that not only were murders up but suicides were way up as well.

[drew]

We had a terrible year for murders/homicides and need to address why.

^ people put too much "stock" in murder statistics.

You basically cannot prevent them, and you cannot predict them.

They are a really bad indicator of crime in any given city, unless of course random innocent people are being hunted down and killed on a regular basis.

In general, You get murdered by people you associate with. Lesson here, don't associate with murderers.

[Airboy]

Agreed. I feel quite safe in Edmonton and Canada in general. yes there are local areas you watch yourself in but overall I don't make myself a target.

Especially when I compare it to trips to Houston, Washington, Tampa, Minneapolis and Parts of Paris, where I had the spidy senses going nonstop.

[BretttheRiderFan]

Edmonton finishes with the same amount of homicides as Toronto, and yet which city has the undeserved reputation of being dirty and crime-ridden?

I don't honestly think that reputation persists strongly from anybody with an education of Grade 5 or up.

[BretttheRiderFan]

I feel 100% safe in Edmonton. There are a few dodgy areas, like around McCauley and Parkdale, but even those aren't bad most of the time.

Other neighbourhoods that I feel a bit uncomfortable in: East Hastings in Vancouver (walking on Hastings Street after dark I wouldn't recommend, especially when you're not used to the area as I wasn't, though the odds of being attacked randomly by a heroin addict seem low), North Central in Regina around Taylor Field has been one of the worst areas of the country for crime for a while now, and areas of the west side of Saskatoon are pretty sketchy at times. I've also heard the north side of Winnipeg is pretty bad.

Hell, here in Grande Prairie there are some known crime areas, particularly on the east side of the city.

Having been to the supposed "bad" parts of Toronto and Montreal (Jane and Finch, Rexdale in Toronto, and north-east Montreal) don't really stack up to the more crime-ridden areas of Western Canada, and being that the largest cities in this country, the most diverse and dense seem to be home to lower crime, the East should be damn proud of their excellent records and work to uphold them.

[BretttheRiderFan]

Grande Prairie had it's fourth major robbery in the last month today. A popular local restaurant, the Jackpot, was robbed with a firearm. In the last month, the Servus Credit Union, Royal Bank, and Best Buy have been robbed as well. Pretty unusual little crime spree.

http://www.q99live.com/news/?news_action=view&news_id=1848&ret=%3Fnews_action%3Dlist

[vid]

I don't think many people consider Toronto to be unsafe anymore. There is a bit of shock when people hear about how safe it is because they assume that larger cities have more crime and smaller cities have less, when it simply doesn't work like that.

Netnewsledger (http://netnewsledger.com/2012/01/08/the-nameless-victims-of-crime-are-often-left-completely-unreported/) has a more in-depth story about the stabbing in Thunder Bay I posted on the previous page. It's a pretty interesting read. It clearly shows how ineffective organizations like Children's Aid are.

Thunder Bay hasn't had a Mac's robbery yet this month. We had 27 last year. All of our Mac's stores are now free of window displays, have more lighting (as in, they're brighter than Walmart inside), a more open area around the cash register, and all but 3 or 4 are now closed overnight. It seems to be helping a little bit, but both the police and Mac's have stated that the robbery problem is a social issue, and nothing that either organization can fix.

[Reesonov]

^ people put too much "stock" in murder statistics.

You basically cannot prevent them, and you cannot predict them.



I think that is an absurd statement. Are you suggesting that some people are genetically pre-disposed to murder?

[vid]

They're unpredictable in that they're often the result of a domestic dispute or fight between two or more people who know each other, and you can't really predict when a domestic dispute or fight between two or more people who know each other will result in a murder. That is why the murder rate fluctuates so much.

Thunder Bay's murder rate looks something like this:

2005: 5 (4.6/100,000)
2006: 2 (1.8/100,000)
2007: 3 (2.8/100,000)
2008: 0 (0.0/100,000)
2009: 6 (5.5/100,000) (we were not murder capital this year; Abbotsford was. I am pretty sure we ranked down the list, even)
2010: 5 (4.6/100,000) (we were murder capital this year; Abbotsford was not in the top 5)
2011: 4 (3.7/100,000) (we came in 4th for murder this year)

How is that pattern in any predictable?

[MonkeyRonin]

I have never heard that said about Toronto. And that shouldn't be said about Edmonton. Edmonton finished off on par with some of the best in the U.S. and on par with many from the rest of the world. People have to stop trying to glorify the fact that Edmonton had a bad year.

Remember that people here on SSP and other urban-focused forums are generally a little more...enlightened than the population at large (regarding urban issues at least). It doesn't take a whole lot of searching to find no shortage of exaggerated, ignorant comments about crime in Toronto or Edmonton or any other city.

Case in point: just read a newspaper site's comments section (yeah I know, the deepest, darkest asshole of thinking skills in the universe, but...).


I don't think Toronto has a reputation for being dirty and crime-ridden.

It certainly does in the rest of Southern Ontario, at least. But then, thats the pretty typical attitude in the "hinterlands" around the world towards whatever the local big city is.

[vid]

Part of that is because Toronto media covering Toronto murders dominates the airwaves. London murders only get mentioned in London. Windsor murders only get mentioned in Windsor. Kitchener-Waterloo murders only get mentioned in Kitchener-Waterloo. Toronto murders get mentioned on nightly national news and repeated on a 15 minutes loop on two cable news networks.

[Reesonov]

They're unpredictable in that they're often the result of a domestic dispute or fight between two or more people who know each other, and you can't really predict when a domestic dispute or fight between two or more people who know each other will result in a murder. That is why the murder rate fluctuates so much.

Thunder Bay's murder rate looks something like this:

2005: 5 (4.6/100,000)
2006: 2 (1.8/100,000)
2007: 3 (2.8/100,000)
2008: 0 (0.0/100,000)
2009: 6 (5.5/100,000) (we were not murder capital this year; Abbotsford was. I am pretty sure we ranked down the list, even)
2010: 5 (4.6/100,000) (we were murder capital this year; Abbotsford was not in the top 5)
2011: 4 (3.7/100,000) (we came in 4th for murder this year)

How is that pattern in any predictable?

Murders are predictable in the sense that they tend to occur more often in communities plagued by social disorder, poverty and addictions. Therefore, less social disorder, poverty and addictions = less murders (so the theory goes any way.)

ETA that I don't know anything about criminology or sociology. This is mostly just wishful thinking on my part.

[vid]

You can predict which community might see more homicides than others, but you can't predict when they'll happen or how they will happen. Since most happen in private homes, you can't really effectively combat them with police alone.

[chrisallard5454]

Well in essence that can be said about any crime, but I understand where your coming from. I think the point that is trying to be made is that even if you live in neighbourhoods such as the North End, East Hastings etc. etc. you are generally considered safe, as unlike New Orleans, Juarez, Gary, etc. you as a citizen are safe unless you put yourself in a situation that warrants otherwise. Situations where you are involved with gangs, drugs and other crime related things.

I have walked the North End (for half my life), Jane and Finch (which isn't bad at all), Regent Park, East of Adelaide, ect. ect. and have never feared for my life. I have been a victim of multiple attacks in Winnipeg, which could have resulted in death if I was a complete tool. But I have never feared for my life.

The difference between any place in Canada (even the worst) and a place like New Orleans and Juarez is that there are people in those places looking to kill. That is why in Juarez out of the 1 900 people that were killed in 2011 I think over half were women. It is the desire to kill. Where as in Winnipeg, where even gang members are killed, it is just an attack gone too far. Except for the few cases where it was obviously with intent, but once again, gangster related.

[Darkoshvilli]

Quebec City has 1 after a 19 year old male was stabbed. Montreal still at 0.

[Vaillant]

Quebec City has 1 after a 19 year old male was stabbed. Montreal still at 0.

what about Montreal police shooting à Persian homeless in bonaventure metro last week??

[Darkoshvilli]

what about Montreal police shooting à Persian homeless in bonaventure metro last week??

Police killings don't count as murders.

[chrisallard5454]

Which really doesn't make any sense to me. I don't see how those who are supposed to be setting examples should be entitled to take a life without repercussions. Whether it is a 12 year old gangster, a 20 year old gangster, a great mother, a billionaire, innocent or guilty; a life is still a life. It may not be weighted as equal to those on the outside, but someone left before he should have.

[artvandelay]

I believe the final tally was 45 for Edmonton.

Not to nitpick, but Edmonton recorded 47 officially with 2 more confirmed on New Years Eve, according to this story:Edmonton homicide rate may swell police numbers (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2012/01/03/edmonton-murders-police-hiring.html)

It's likely that 2011 is an outlier, but the disparity between Calgary and Edmonton is amazing, and I think that a variety of factors are to blame - it's impossible to narrow it down to one thing.

[WIGS]

http://frontiermetropolis.com/products-page/unisex-t-shirt/deadmonton-2/ :D

[DizzyEdge]

Looks like Calgary may have its first of the new year, homicide is investigating a dead body found after a break and enter complaint.

[bulliver]

^^ As a proud Edmontonian, I heartily endorse that shirt.

Also, I don't believe Edmonton has had a homicide in 2012 yet, and Calgary has, so for a few brief days or weeks I will be referring to Calgary as Alberta's murder capital :)

[BretttheRiderFan]

I wonder how many murders Calgary had in 2011 compared to Hobbema .....

[bulliver]

Couldn't find any hard numbers for Hobbema, looks like 5 or 6. A Sun article mentioned the per-capita rate was 4 times higher than Edmonton.

[WIGS]

^^ As a proud Edmontonian, I heartily endorse that shirt...
:tup: you can get 20% off if you use coupon code: ssp
glad to see people see it as "tongue in cheek" or as a joke playing up the media stereotype like it's meant to. It wasn't meant to offend, although I'm sure some people will be :rolleyes:

[MTLskyline]

Someone was murdered in the parking lot of a Wendy's (one of only about 4 Wendy's in Montreal). It is the second murder of the year.
http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120119/mtl_shooting_120119/20120119/?hub=MontrealHome

[Rico Rommheim]

Police killings don't count as murders.

That's a joke. I could start a vitriolic diatribe against the pigs like no one here ain't ever seen, but I value my life too much to have it ended by getting shot in the throat on busy peel and ste-Catherine for no reason or by getting tackled by four 250 pound wild boars while another tasers me to death.

[Darkoshvilli]

Someone was murdered in the parking lot of a Wendy's (one of only about 4 Wendy's in Montreal). It is the second murder of the year.
http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120119/mtl_shooting_120119/20120119/?hub=MontrealHome

When was the first one? I never saw anything on the news about it.

[MTLskyline]

When was the first one? I never saw anything on the news about it.

I think this was the first: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/01/12/mtl-mother-arrested.html

I don't remember hearing about it either.

[MrChills]

^^ As a proud Edmontonian, I heartily endorse that shirt.

Also, I don't believe Edmonton has had a homicide in 2012 yet, and Calgary has, so for a few brief days or weeks I will be referring to Calgary as Alberta's murder capital :)

Why is that? It seems like finding any type of stats on native areas, whether it be reserves within the provinces, or even in larger centre in the north, they mostly non-existent.

[Darkoshvilli]

I think this was the first: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/01/12/mtl-mother-arrested.html

I don't remember hearing about it either.

That happened in December, so that can't be it.

[vid]

Why is that? It seems like finding any type of stats on native areas, whether it be reserves within the provinces, or even in larger centre in the north, they mostly non-existent.

They keep track of it, but it isn't published, because the resources required to do so are lacking in small communities.

First Nations Bands are required by federal law to give the government information on where all of their members are located on a monthly basis, but there is apparently not regulation for keeping track of crime. It's likely because while the criminal code is federal, policing is provincial, and reserves do not have any form of provincial government to give those regulations. It's for that same reason that so many reserves have poor quality education systems, health care and infrastructure. Those are things that provinces are responsible for, but First Nations are a form of local government directly under the Federal government. And there is a reason countries as large as ours have provinces in the first place. It's to prevent this kind of disparity.

[mr.John]

That's a joke. I could start a vitriolic diatribe against the pigs like no one here ain't ever seen, but I value my life too much to have it ended by getting shot in the throat on busy peel and ste-Catherine for no reason or by getting tackled by four 250 pound wild boars while another tasers me to death.

they're too busy gunning down homeless people, remember last summer when those morons killed a bum along with an innocent bystander, I was in that area the next day and had a conversation with someone who knew the victim (the homeless man) he told me the so-called weapon he was carrying was a small pocket knife, I also had some interesting conversations with my cousin who's a supervisor at the worst station in Montreal (crime wise) located in St.Michel,let's put it this way he's not too impressed with the people under him. As a joke I told him I wanted to come on patrol with him when it's calm,he told me the only time it's calm in that dump is Sunday morning ,the rest of the time it's a fucking zoo

[MTLskyline]

That happened in December, so that can't be it.

According to Geneviève Dubé of the Montreal police, the first homicide of the year was that of a two-month-old girl. While the girl was found dead on Dec. 23, 2011, the mother was charged with second-degree murder on Jan. 12 of this year.
http://montreal.openfile.ca/blog/curator-blog/map/2012/montreal-homicide-map-2012-edition

Sounds like a weird legal technicality.

[Rusty van Reddick]

Police killings don't count as murders.

They CAN count as murders, but usually don't.

That said, for some reporting purposes (and I don't get this, but it's sometimes done), the "homicide rate" counts not only killings by police in the conduct of their jobs, but also ATTEMPTED murder. I saw a places rated type of book that listed Canada's "homicide rate" (this was in the 1990s at some point) as being something like 5/100k. It's never been remotely that high- never more than around 2.2/100k- but they were counting attempted murder because some statistics gathering agency (interpol maybe?) does so. Completely misleading.

[Darkoshvilli]

According to Geneviève Dubé of the Montreal police, the first homicide of the year was that of a two-month-old girl. While the girl was found dead on Dec. 23, 2011, the mother was charged with second-degree murder on Jan. 12 of this year.
http://montreal.openfile.ca/blog/curator-blog/map/2012/montreal-homicide-map-2012-edition

Sounds like a weird legal technicality.

I see. Doesn't make any sense though. Montreal has 1 homicide so far in my book.

[rrskylar]

Winnipeg 1

[lubicon]

They CAN count as murders, but usually don't.
.

Correct. It's a matter of definition. Murder is generally defined as the unlawful taking of a human life. Homicide is a more broad definition - taking a human life (either lawfully or unlawfully).

So things such as police shootings, executions, accidental deaths at the hands of another person etc. are technically homicides but not necessarily murder.

[JuelzJones]

5 for toronto

[Dougler306]

Regina has its first homocide of the year

Regina: 1

[Andrewjm3D]

5 for toronto

Not good but if you look at a comparable size city in the States it's not bad either. Philadelphia is already at 31 !!!!

[vid]

Michael Kelly has been found guilty of murder...

A jury found Kelly guilty Friday afternoon of first-degree murder for his role in the 2000 shooting death of his then common-law spouse, Judie Thibault. Hours after the jury’s verdict was read, he was sentenced to life in prison by Judge John Wright, with no chance of parole for 25 years.

Thibault’s daughter Susan Boulanger told the court through a victim’s impact statement that she’s lived through terror and horror in the years since her mother disappeared.

She said she fears telling her children the way their grandmother died; in terror without loved ones around.

“No one should have to die that way,” she told the court.

...

“No one really wins in a situation like this. Everybody loses, but at least my mom has closure. I feel good about what happened today,” she said.

©TBNewsWatch http://www.tbnewswatch.com/news/186056/Kelly-found-guilty

(The court case has been followed by news for two weeks, which is why the article is titled and starts the way it does.)

[Cre47]

Ottawa is at 1, there was a stabbing just south of the ByWard Market like about a week or two ago.

There was a body found on the frozen surface of the River about two weeks ago, but it wasn't considered foul play. Probably the individual just jumped over the bridge by himself.

Just outside Ottawa, a man was found dead in his van, but it doesn't appear to be foul play.

[trebor204]

Stats Canada has made it data free for public use:

Homicide Statistic For Canada:


http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cansim/a31?lang=eng&actionMode=tableDefinitions&id=3315

Table 253-0004 Contains Homicide stats for CMA from 1981 to 2010.

Click on the Table # to access the data
Click on the Add/Remove Data to customize your table

You can also download the entire table as a

1) CSV Format to a spreadsheet. Once in Excel, you need to convert the table in a Pivot Table.
2) Beyond 20/20 Format (IVT File Format). You will need to download the Beyond 20/20 Table Browser first

http://www.beyond2020.com/media/downloads/SC/ProBrowser.exe

However I find the Beyond 20/20 Format alot easier to use, and you be able to copy the table into Excel

[-Harlington-]

Halifax is now at one .

2 arrested in fatal Halifax stabbing


Man, 25, killed Thursday in HRM's first homicide of 2012
CBC News
Posted: Feb 3, 2012 6:47 AM AT
Last Updated: Feb 3, 2012 10:52 AM AT



Two people are in custody after a man was stabbed to death Thursday night in Halifax's Fairview neighbourhood.

Police responding to a report of a stabbing found the man at the corner of Ashdale Avenue and Titus Street just before 11:30 p.m.

The 25-year-old died soon after paramedics arrived.

Halifax Regional Police said a man and a woman were arrested on Evans Avenue at about 2 a.m.

The investigation continues. Police were still at the scene Friday morning.

This is the first homicide in the Halifax Regional Municipality this year.

[Darkoshvilli]

Quebec already has 2, one more than Montreal.

[bulliver]

Edmonton, surprisingly, still at zero for 2012...

[BLACK STAR]

Not even a flesh wound!!! Hummmm! I wound not even say surprisingly given last year was and is an anomaly!

[trebor204]

2 Years ago Winnipeg didn't record its first murder until late March (Finish 2010 with 22)

[-Harlington-]

So assuming nothing happened over New Years that hasnt been reported Halifax is ending at 17 this year .

The official crime stats were released and it appears Halifax ended 2011 with a record 19 murders, we also had a sharp increase in attempted murders while the overall crime rate dropped by one percent

Heres a small article: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/halifax-sees-record-homicides-in-2011-while-overall-crime-levels-fall/article2337565/?utm_medium=Feeds%3A%20RSS%2FAtom&utm_source=Home&utm_content=2337565

And a local one: http://thechronicleherald.ca/metro/62567-record-19-murders-hrm-last-year

[chrisallard5454]

Winnipeg is now at 4.

[chrisallard5454]

As my up keeping of stats tried to maintain last year, Winnipeg's new homicide map only proves my point further. Unlike most cities which experience homicides spread out amongst population with certain higher areas than others, Winnipeg's homicides occur in 3 locations and literally almost nothing outside of those locations. I have always maintained that Winnipeg is not a city with murderers more than a city containing neighbourhoods (North End, Inner West End and Point Douglas) with problems.

Here is the map, take a look. I have never seen so much segregation. Zoom in to get a good idea of what I mean.

http://www.cbc.ca/manitoba/features/homicides/

[rrskylar]

^ Winnipeg's crime parallels more with US cities than the rest of Canada in terms of crime (including murder) localised in specific areas of the city.

[bulliver]

Suspicious death in Edmonton. Not yet ruled a homicide, but if it is, it will be first of the year.