[RWin]

$30M deal not sweet enough for Phaneuf

Bruce Dowbiggin, Calgary Herald

Published: Monday, January 07, 2008

Guess the Flames' hometown discount isn't impressing Dion Phaneuf. While stalwarts Jarome Iginla, Robyn Regehr and Miikka Kiprusoff took haircuts to stay in Calgary, the third-year defenceman is apparently looking for market value when he becomes a restricted free agent next summer. Sources in the hockey biz have told IDLM that Phaneuf turned down a deal in the neighbourhood of $30 million over five years.

In the wake of the lengthy, no-trade deals to some of Phaneuf's peers, a summertime offer sheet for Phaneuf might be worth 10 years at $7 million per from a desperate club with cap space. It's imperative GM Darryl Sutter, who loves the young blueliner like life itself, avoid that financial meltdown by satisfying Phaneuf before July 1.

Getting Phaneuf signed is crucial to determining if Sutter has enough cash to also sign UFA Kristian Huselius next summer. The 28-year-old Juice could command Scott Gomez dollars ($51.5 M/seven years) from a team anxious for scoring. The 27-year-old Gomez averaged 16.8 goals a year in the five seasons before UFA land; given 35 goals this season, Huselius will have averaged almost 27 goals in each of his last five seasons. He may not get $50 million, but $35 million to $40 million is doable.

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I hope he holds out and finds himself out of "work."

[SHOFEAR]

come home Dion, come home.

[vid]

According to Time Magazine, Dion Phaneuf is unstoppable. So it his Citizen Ecodrive! :frog:

I wonder how much he made on that advertisement. It's not too often you see hockey players selling crap in magazines.

[dansk]

Interesting to see how this will behandled compared to if he was an UFA. Especially considering the Oilers moves last season.

[Coldrsx]

as much as the guy is a dick, i grew up around the corner from him, he is one hell of a hockey player.

[lubicon]

He's a hell of a hockey player but I have heard a few rumours indicating he may be getting a little big for his britches. One rumour was the one this thread mentions (that he is looking for, and thinks he is deserving of huge money). The other is that his attitude in the dressing room is mirroring his ego. Some of the veterans might need to tune him in a little.

[wild wild west]

Wow, it sure didn't take long after the lockout for NHL salaries to return to totally retarded levels again.

[Halifax Hillbilly]

Wow, it sure didn't take long after the lockout for NHL salaries to return to totally retarded levels again.

The individual salaries are pretty crazy right now but teams willing to pay premium money for guys who average 27 goals a year will be hurting in the long-term. I like Huselius and he's having a great year but 8 million for him is ridiculous. Same thing for Gomez, Drury, and Briere, very good players but not worth the cap amount they're being paid.

Phaneuf is a different story. He may be a jerk but personally I would pay the kind of money he wants to play in Calgary long-term. He's good enough to warrant huge dollars.

[The Chemist]

I like Phaneuf the player a lot - but absolutely NO WAY ON EARTH is he worth as much money per season as Iggy is. If Iggy is making $7m per year, nobody on the team should be making as much or more than him. So I think Mr. Phaneuf needs a bit of an attitude adjustment and he needs to realize that 6 per is more than fair for a guy of his skills and experience. Much as it pains me to say it, though - if he doesn't accept a deal of this type, we have to cut him loose, preferably by trading him far away into the Eastern Conference (i.e. so the Oilers and Canucks can't get him). He's still worth a lot if we have to trade him.

[Calgarian]

I hope Sutter signs him, but I think I would take Huselius first. I see Langkow leaving after this year.

[CCF]

I hope Sutter signs him, but I think I would take Huselius first. I see Langkow leaving after this year.

You would take Huselius over Phaneuf............?

Wow....

[Calgarian]

You would take Huselius over Phaneuf............?

Wow....

No, I meant over Langkow. I would give Phaneuf $7million, if that's not enough for him, trade him and get another good defenseman.

[lubicon]

I like Phaneuf the player a lot - but absolutely NO WAY ON EARTH is he worth as much money per season as Iggy is. If Iggy is making $7m per year, nobody on the team should be making as much or more than him. So I think Mr. Phaneuf needs a bit of an attitude adjustment and he needs to realize that 6 per is more than fair for a guy of his skills and experience. Much as it pains me to say it, though - if he doesn't accept a deal of this type, we have to cut him loose, preferably by trading him far away into the Eastern Conference (i.e. so the Oilers and Canucks can't get him). He's still worth a lot if we have to trade him.

Much as I would love to see him in Oiler blue I can't see that happening unless they get him via free agency. The Oilers & Flames have never made a trade to my knowledge and I don't think they ever will. I don't know if the fans of either team would tolerate that.

[Calgarian]

I pretty much guarantee Lowe will try to get Phanuef.

[Nicko999]

I like Phaneuf the player a lot - but absolutely NO WAY ON EARTH is he worth as much money per season as Iggy is. If Iggy is making $7m per year, nobody on the team should be making as much or more than him. So I think Mr. Phaneuf needs a bit of an attitude adjustment and he needs to realize that 6 per is more than fair for a guy of his skills and experience. Much as it pains me to say it, though - if he doesn't accept a deal of this type, we have to cut him loose, preferably by trading him far away into the Eastern Conference (i.e. so the Oilers and Canucks can't get him). He's still worth a lot if we have to trade him.

To us!!!!:haha: :haha: :haha:

[Calgarian]

Phaneuf is only 22, that's too much money for such a young guy.

[feepa]

7M for Phaneuf? Is he really worth that much?

[You Need A Thneed]

7M for Phaneuf? Is he really worth that much?

Not right now.

[CCF]

Phaneuf is only 22, that's too much money for such a young guy.

I hate the Flames, but he's a franchise defenseman. He's probably one of the top 10 dmen in the league right now, and as you said he's only 22.

[Calgarian]

I hate the Flames, but he's a franchise defenseman. He's probably one of the top 10 dmen in the league right now, and as you said he's only 22.

I agree, that's still too much money for such a young guy though.

[Hardhatdan]

Dion's a cock, I've never met anyone who liked the guy.

Great defenseman, but not 7M. Guy is back to his arrogant, bloated self...not that he ever wasn't.

[Calgarian]

Let's see if Sutter and Iginla can talk him into a reasonable contract, otherwise, ship him to the shittiest team possible and get a good d-man and some prospects.

[Coldrsx]

^enter Edmonton, Smid, and gagner or something hahaha

[Calgarian]

Gagner needs to prove himself more before we trade Phaneuf for him.

[You Need A Thneed]

^enter Edmonton, Smid, and gagner or something hahaha

I don't think Edmonton has any player who would be the kind of player that Calgary would want if they were going to trade Phaneuf.

[Nicko999]

In Montreal for... a first round draft pick?

[theman23]

What a dick. This is exactly why the Flames won't be making the playoffs this season. While their entire locker room is too distracted wondering whether or not this 22-year-old prima donna is going to re-sign, Alberta's real hockey team will be sweating it out in the trenches, working their way up the standings until the climax on April 1 when they secure a playoff berth while eliminating Calgary. This year, it'll be Oilers versus Leafs in the Stanley Cup finals. You can bet on that.

[Calgarian]

What a dick. This is exactly why the Flames won't be making the playoffs this season. While their entire locker room is too distracted wondering whether or not this 22-year-old prima donna is going to re-sign, Alberta's real hockey team will be sweating it out in the trenches, working their way up the standings until the climax on April 1 when they secure a playoff berth while eliminating Calgary. This year, it'll be Oilers versus Leafs in the Stanley Cup finals. You can bet on that.

You would cream your pants if Phaneuf played on you team, fuckin tool.

[The Chemist]

What a dick. This is exactly why the Flames won't be making the playoffs this season. While their entire locker room is too distracted wondering whether or not this 22-year-old prima donna is going to re-sign, Alberta's real hockey team will be sweating it out in the trenches, working their way up the standings until the climax on April 1 when they secure a playoff berth while eliminating Calgary. This year, it'll be Oilers versus Leafs in the Stanley Cup finals. You can bet on that.

That must be some pretty awesome shit you're smoking, man. :rolleyes:

[vid]

This year, it'll be Oilers versus Leafs in the Stanley Cup finals. You can bet on that.

Wow! The Oilers are finally gonna win a cup!!!! :D They really need it. They have gone almost 18 years without one!!! :eek: I don't think any real Canadian team has ever gone that long!!

[Nicko999]

Wow! The Oilers are finally gonna win a cup!!!! :D They really need it. They have gone almost 18 years without one!!! :eek: I don't think any real Canadian team has ever gone that long!!
I think that man23 is talking of the Stanley Cup of mediocrity:tup:

[Coldrsx]

Wow! The Oilers are finally gonna win a cup!!!! :D They really need it. They have gone almost 18 years without one!!! :eek: I don't think any real Canadian team has ever gone that long!!

toronto
calgary
montreal is pretty close
ottawa well...
vancouver...oh right

[scumtoes]

What a dick. This is exactly why the Flames won't be making the playoffs this season. While their entire locker room is too distracted wondering whether or not this 22-year-old prima donna is going to re-sign, Alberta's real hockey team will be sweating it out in the trenches, working their way up the standings until the climax on April 1 when they secure a playoff berth while eliminating Calgary. This year, it'll be Oilers versus Leafs in the Stanley Cup finals. You can bet on that.

wtf? buddy, the leafs aren't going anywhere until they:

1) fire fergalicious
2) blow up the team and go into the "re-building years"
3) get a canadian captain and mostly north american roster
4) make some decent draft picks for once and NOT trade them away

and for the record, i still think the flamers are going to win it all this year.

as for the oilers, well...i dunno. :shrug: they played good last night at least! :cheers:

p.s. anyone notice them playing hilary duff last night as comrie went to the sin-bin? lol, funny as hell, but not very classy.

[Coldrsx]

^you read the journal poll as well:>

Sundin is friggen amazing and they should have built the team around him better...but instead did dick all for 5 yrs.

[Geofferson]

I think it is sick that phaneuf wants 7m a year.. 5.5 or 6 if he signs to a long term contract is a better number for him..
and i have heard that he is an absolute asshole as well

[ZiZiPop]

Let's see if Sutter and Iginla can talk him into a reasonable contract, otherwise, ship him to the shittiest team possible and get a good d-man and some prospects.

Florida doesn't have anyone. :D

[theman23]

wtf? buddy, the leafs aren't going anywhere until they:

1) fire fergalicious
2) blow up the team and go into the "re-building years"
3) get a canadian captain and mostly north american roster
4) make some decent draft picks for once and NOT trade them away

and for the record, i still think the flamers are going to win it all this year.

as for the oilers, well...i dunno. :shrug: they played good last night at least! :cheers:

p.s. anyone notice them playing hilary duff last night as comrie went to the sin-bin? lol, funny as hell, but not very classy.

Its amazing the amount of ethnic chauvinism that gets passed around here without anyone even raising a word of protest. If you're indicative of oilers fans in general, then maybe your team doesn't deserve to make it to the cup finals. I'm gioing to have to revise my prediction: It'll be the Red Wings versus the Leafs in the cup final this year.

[Nicko999]

Its amazing the amount of ethnic chauvinism that gets passed around here without anyone even raising a word of protest. If you're indicative of oilers fans in general, then maybe your team doesn't deserve to make it to the cup finals. I'm gioing to have to revise my prediction: It'll be the Red Wings versus the Leafs in the cup final this year.

Yes, yes I believe you...:haha:
You change you're prediction so easily. What are you trying to do? If you have something called brain you'll notice that the Laughs suck.
Just tell how much have the Leafs... 40 and the Habs now 50
But don't worry you're team will fight for the last place in the East:tup:

[sync]

I pretty much guarantee Lowe will try to get Phanuef.

i don't see how unless he trades away a lot of players currently on the oilers roster.

he still needs to sign pitkannen.

[Calgarian]

Its amazing the amount of ethnic chauvinism that gets passed around here without anyone even raising a word of protest. If you're indicative of oilers fans in general, then maybe your team doesn't deserve to make it to the cup finals. I'm gioing to have to revise my prediction: It'll be the Red Wings versus the Leafs in the cup final this year.

You notice that Canada pretty much wins every international tournament, and as such, can be considered the best at hockey. If you translate that to the NHL, it would be safe to consider that Canadian players are better, thus, teams with more Canadian players (especially western Canadian players because of their toughness) do better. It's amazing what happens when you base an argument off logic instead of emotion.

[Calgarian]

i don't see how unless he trades away a lot of players currently on the oilers roster.

he still needs to sign pitkannen.

All I mean is that Lowe is such an idiot, he will pretty much do anything to get a top player. Just look at Penner.

[sync]

All I mean is that Lowe is such an idiot, he will pretty much do anything to get a top player. Just look at Penner.

i understand you enjoy being antagonistic, but i think the jury is still out on penner.

[Calgarian]

i understand you enjoy being antagonistic, but i think the jury is still out on penner.

Of course, final judgement shouldn't be made until the season is almost over, but for the amount he's making, he should have a lot more than 26 points.

[Geofferson]

lmao so far kevin lowe looks really stupid for making that move

[theman23]

You notice that Canada pretty much wins every international tournament, and as such, can be considered the best at hockey. If you translate that to the NHL, it would be safe to consider that Canadian players are better, thus, teams with more Canadian players (especially western Canadian players because of their toughness) do better. It's amazing what happens when you base an argument off logic instead of emotion.

Who won the last Olympic gold medal in ice hockey? It wasn't Canada. It also wasn't a North American country.

And there is nothing logical about your argument. Have you ever taken a logic course? Do you even know what logic is? I'll give you a hint, it doesn't mean "something I agree with".

[vid]

OK, so Sweden won. Once. Big deal. Canada is still better. It's our game! :)

You're just jealous because your favourite "team" sucks.

[theman23]

OK, so Sweden won. Once. Big deal. Canada is still better. It's our game! :)
It also happened to be the most recent Olympic tournament. The fact is, Europe is constantly improving. It is naive to believe that this will be the last Swedish win. But if you support such offensive nationalism, then you probably aren't open to reason anyways.

As for you downplaying the number of Swedish gold medals, have you forgotten that the 2002 Canadian medal was our first in 50 years? Or that even in that tournament, Sweden beat us 5-2? The Canadians had to rely on little old Belarus to take Sweden out.


You're just jealous because your favourite "team" sucks.

And what team do you cheer for anyways? I haven't even seen you posting in the NHL thread. Who are you and what interest do you have in this discussion?

[vid]

No one and nothing. I'm sorry I trampled your donuts. Carry on. :(

Canada sucks. You rule. The end.

[theman23]

Canada is a fine country. However, it is a shame that there are currently several groups (The Federal Conservatives, The Bloc, Flames fans, Neo-Nazis, etc.) so committed to destroying this great state.

[vid]

The Federal Conservatives, The Bloc, Flames fans, Neo-Nazis, etc.

The NDP, the Liberals, Leafs fans, Stalinists, etc.

:rolleyes:

[theman23]

The NDP, the Liberals, Leafs fans, etc.

:rolleyes:

These groups do their best to maintain Canada's prosperity, but they are currently too divided amongst themselves to halt the aforementioned sinister alliance led by the Federal Conservatives. Until the NDP, Liberals, Leafs fans and the like form a similar united front to defend Canada and its interests, I am afraid they will not be of much use in stopping this Conservative conspiracy. It will be up to the people of this country.

Stalinists
Actually, allied to the Conservatives. Evil transcends political boundaries. Learn that lesson.

[vid]

The leafs still suck. You can throw as many words as you want, it will not decrease the magnitude of their suckage!!

[theman23]

The leafs still suck. You can throw as many words as you want, it will not decrease the magnitude of their suckage!!

Then you've taken a side in this epic saga? A most regretful choice on your part.

[vid]

Yes, just my luck, I go around preaching the truth and then the truth goes and makes a liar out of me!

I feel so Christian right now. :(

[Calgarian]

Then you've taken a side in this epic saga? A most regretful choice on your part.

You have to be the biggest idiot I have ever had the misfortune of reading, why do you bring politics into a hockey thread? again? do you think Harper and his cronies are forming some conspiracy to destroy your crappy leafs? If you don't like them, don't fucking vote for them, it's damn simple, that's what makes this a democracy. Leave god damn politics out of hockey discussions.

As for the Olympics (and the whole debate about Canadian hockey supremacy), Canada has one gold medal in the last 50 years, true, but the Russians cheated for those 50 years, their "amature" players from the Russian Red Army Team, did nothing but play hockey, I bet they never even touched a weapon, or learned any military tactics. But since they weren't part of a professional league, the IOC allowed them to play against our junior players, while our pros weren't allowed to play, it's that simple. If you look at the Canada Cup (where our pro's played against their best) Canada won it 4 of the 5 times (USSR only won one gold and one silver), and got silver the time we didn't win. Canada also won the second World Cup of Hockey (silver to Mike Richter's USA the first time), and we have won the World Hockey Championships 3 of the last 5 years, and lets not forget the 4 World Junior Titles in a row. What do you have to say now that I just proved beyond any reasonable doubt that Canada is the best hockey country in the world? I think what I just provided is pretty logical since it is based entirely in fact. Since I just proved that Canada (and thus Canadians, obviously) is the best nation in terms of hockey, would it not make sense to have more Canadians than non Canadians on your team? is that not logical?

You really have no clue about hockey do you. like I said before, save face and go away, you embarrass yourself with every single post.

[Calgarian]

I hope Phaneuf doesn't get any ideas from Ovechkin's contract, if he thinks he deserves something similar, get rid of him.

[Biff]

I hope Phaneuf doesn't get any ideas from Ovechkin's contract, if he thinks he deserves something similar, get rid of him.


The Caps signed Alex Ovechkin to a $124 million, 13-year contract extension. The first NHL player to have an contract over $100 million. So much for the new barganing agreement keeping the salaries in check.

[Calgarian]

The Caps signed Alex Ovechkin to a $124 million, 13-year contract extension. The first NHL player to have an contract over $100 million. So much for the new barganing agreement keeping the salaries in check.

I don't get why either one signed that deal.

[lubicon]

They also said last night that Ovechkin negotiated it on his own, without an agent.

[MichaelS]

I don't get why either one signed that deal.

I can think of 124 million reasons why Ovechkin signed it.

[Calgarian]

I can think of 124 million reasons why Ovechkin signed it.

I just mean he would have a chance to win hockey games (possibly a Stanley Cup) if he went elsewhere.

[Ayreonaut]

According to Time Magazine, Dion Phaneuf is unstoppable. So it his Citizen Ecodrive! :frog:

I wonder how much he made on that advertisement. It's not too often you see hockey players selling crap in magazines.

:haha: lol, I saw that too. Seriously though, he is unstoppable and we need to sign him... and Huselius.

[Ayreonaut]

As for you downplaying the number of Swedish gold medals, have you forgotten that the 2002 Canadian medal was our first in 50 years? Or that even in that tournament, Sweden beat us 5-2? The Canadians had to rely on little old Belarus to take Sweden out.

Because NHL players couldn't play in the Olympics until 2000. The fact that Belarus beat Sweden at all says something. Canada isn't completely dominant in the sport, which is why we don't win all international competitions, but Canada wins more than anybody else. European hockey is improving, but Canadian hockey has a bright future, just look at the four straight golds at the WJHC.

[wild wild west]

do you think Harper and his cronies are forming some conspiracy to destroy your crappy leafs?

If only it were so...another good reason to vote Conservative!:tup:

I must admit though, I really am starting to feel a good measure of pity for those dreadful Leafs.

[theman23]

Once Ovechkin's new contract expires, the Leafs ought to sign him to his next 13-year deal. Can you imagine the impact he would have on this team?

[vid]

Yeah, especially near the latter end. They might not win even more Stanley Cups!

[Nicko999]

Once Ovechkin's new contract expires, the Leafs ought to sign him to his next 13-year deal. Can you imagine the impact he would have on this team?

Yes, when he is 35 years old.:haha:
I am sure that he would like to play in such a mediocre team:tup:

[vid]

The Leafs should join the TBHL! They'd fit in great in a beer league! :tup:

[Ayreonaut]

I don't know, I've seen some beer league hockey here (might even play), those guys are pretty good.

[vid]

For the first two periods, yes. But of the Leafs can stay sober until the third period, they might win. Maybe.