[d_jeffrey]

Since we wanted a light subway, we called it metrO. What about yours?

[jeremy_haak]

O-Train

[lrt's friend]

If we ever build a line to Scotiabank Place, the trains on that line should be called Senatrains. ;)

[Aylmer]

A-Train
B-Train
C-Train
D-Train
E-Train
F-Train
G-Train
H-Train
I-Train
J-Train
K-Train
L-Train
M-Train
N-Train
O-Train
P-Train
Q-Train
R-Train
S-Train
T-Train
U-Train
V-Train
W-Train
X-Train
Y-Train
Z-Train
(American)Z-Train
are all candidates but I do have a soft spot for the ever so original O-Train.

[waterloowarrior]

At the rate things are going right now... NO-Train

[Kitchissippi]

Since the funding for this LRT project seems to be susceptible to pork-barrel politics, maybe we should call it the "Hog's Back" :) -- it goes right by it!

Had the original Chiarelli NSLRT happened, it could have been "Chia-Rail" :haha: we could have stolen the chia pet jingle: "choo, choo, choo, Chia!"

[Deez]

At the rate things are going right now... NO-Train

I agree. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

[lrt's friend]

well, the hens haven't even laid the eggs yet.

[Aylmer]

But when they do, they will get the 200mil$ that the farmer is waving infront of it's face.

[Mille Sabords]

Had the original Chiarelli NSLRT happened, it could have been "Chia-Rail" :haha: we could have stolen the chia pet jingle: "choo, choo, choo, Chia!"

:omg: :lmao:

[lrt's friend]

Think about how green-friendly those Chia-Rail trains would be with all that greenery growing off the top of them.

[Kitchissippi]

Now all we can hope for is for some green to sprout out of Larry O'Brien's head.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2179/2198413560_2bf4ec72bd_o.jpg

[Rathgrith]

Now all we can hope for is for some green to sprout out of Larry O'Brien's head.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2179/2198413560_2bf4ec72bd_o.jpg


OMG, that is so funny! I read that before you edited it and that is exactly what I was thinking!

[BlackRedGold]

Now all we can hope for is for some green to sprout out of Larry O'Brien's head.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2179/2198413560_2bf4ec72bd_o.jpg

My God! It's the Grinch who stole Light Rail!

[lrt's friend]

Thank god Christmas is past. I wouldn't want that under my tree.

[d_jeffrey]

Isn't it weird that there's still a difference in naming between LRT and the O-Train? What is like this in the first project? When was the name selected?

[Mille Sabords]

I like MetrO. It's easy to say in both languages and it doesn't have the semantic limitation of "subway", which would imply that the entire system is underground. What I'd stay away from is "LRT" or even "O-Train". The term LRT is almost an apology for being a rail system (light!). Most international visitors would know right away what "MetrO" is but most would be stumped by the term LRT (you have to understand English and be well-versed in urban-planningese to even know what the acronym stands for).

As for O-Train, I always thought it was a stop-gap name. It's an imitation of Calgary's C-Train, it's a somewhat catchy but vague term (what the hell's an O-Train?) and it doesn't translate well (le train en forme de O?)

Bring on the MetrO !!

[the capital urbanite]

ummm...the "Transitway"?!

[harls]

I like MetrO too.. clever.

O-train isn't that bad either.

What does Washington DC call their system? Or other world capitals? Maybe we could borrow some ideas..

[d_jeffrey]

I like MetrO too.. clever.

O-train isn't that bad either.

What does Washington DC call their system? Or other world capitals? Maybe we could borrow some ideas..

Washington Metro :). Most countries call it a metro system. Even in other languages.

I would definitely like to see new bilingual names established for our system.

Bus - Normal bus route
O-Bus - BRT route on the Transitway or dedicated corridor
O-Tram - Streetcar system
O-Train - Suburban train system
metrO - Well, metro system


What I love about Toronto and Montréal's systems, it's the branding. When you get in a tunnel or a store, you can easily recognise their subway's system logo. I really would like to see a strong branding here too.

[Mille Sabords]

ummm...the "Transitway"?!

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[jeremy_haak]

^ Almost invariably they are called 'Metro'. I favour just plain old metro without weird capitalizations.

London: Underground/the Tube
Washington: Metro/WMATA
Mexico: Metro
Paris: Metro
Chicago: 'L'
New York: Subway
San Francisco: BART

Based on that, I suppose there are a few possibilities:
O-Train
OGRe (Ottawa-Gatineau Rail) or OGER (Ottawa-Gatineau Express Rail)
CARS (Capital Area Rail System)
Metro
MetrO
MetrOG
MetrOttawa
MetrOttawa-Gatineau
MetrOttawa-Gatineau and surrounding region
...

I think Metro seems pretty nice, though I kind of like the idea of riding the OGRe, and it would be ironic if almost everyone in Ottawa got to work in CARS.

[harls]

Haha..

http://www.dynamitegymnastics.org.uk/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/shrek.jpg

[Kitchissippi]

How about "Ottawa Electric Railway", or "OTTER" for short. The animal nickname could be neat, since the lines parallel the rivers and waterways and river otters are commonly found in the valley. The french "loutre" even has the "l'Outaouais" sound in it.

Plus they're dang cute and would sell a lot of stuffed toys :)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/LutraCanadensis_fullres.jpg/662px-LutraCanadensis_fullres.jpg
Lutra Canadensis - Canadian River Otter - from Wikipedia

[d_jeffrey]

How about "Ottawa Electric Railway", or "OTTER" for short. The animal nickname could be neat, since the lines parallel the rivers and waterways and river otters are commonly found in the valley. The french "loutre" even has the "l'Outaouais" sound in it.

Plus they're dang cute and would sell a lot of stuffed toys :)


Aren't they adorable!!! Actually, I like that name, it's original :)

[jeremy_haak]

Aren't they adorable!!! Actually, I like that name, it's original :)

I concur, Ottawa should have the Ottawa Electric Railroad, and the fare card should be called OTTER (ala... Oyster?). Let's start lobbying now.

[Kitchissippi]

It would be nice to have a unique name that nobody else uses and has a bit of local flavour. Here, I even mucked around with a logo of a swimming otter during the weekend (I got bored of chipping ice off my driveway).

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2042/2345761510_9cd45094a1_m.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2299/2345023719_c277e2a8ed_o.jpg

I'm not sure if my clumsy french translation makes sense:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2040/2340799481_ff8c3dd39f_m.jpg

It's red and black for the Sens fans among you. Should I add some gold? :)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2313/2345851138_a9ed04e042_o.jpg

[Kitchissippi]

I concur, Ottawa should have the Ottawa Electric Railroad, and the fare card should be called OTTER (ala... Oyster?). Let's start lobbying now.

Yeah, let's start a massive campaign, the likes they've never seen since they used this little guy to protest the seal hunt:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3126/2345863512_5e5909c94d.jpg


Hmmm..."PHOQUE"...now there's another idea for an LRT name. I can imagine the scenario now:

Tourist in downtown to local: "Excuse me, do you know how I can get to get to Lincoln Fields?"

Local: "Oh it's easy, just get the PHOQUE out of here and head west."

:jester:

[Jamaican-Phoenix]

Local: "Oh it's easy, just get the PHOQUE out of here and head west."

:previous: :omg: :lmao:

[Deez]

Apparently the mayor's office is actually now looking to come up with a name for the system to boost the project's image.

I was thinking of the Ottawa "Omni". It's bilingual, bi-syllabic (which seems pretty prevalent in existing systems...Metro, VIVA, C-train, SkyTrain...etc.), and alliterative (or is it consonant?...I think there's a different word for vowels...). The latin also gives it some class and makes reference to the fact that it would carry "all" people from and to "all" places.

[d_jeffrey]

Apparently the mayor's office is actually now looking to come up with a name for the system to boost the project's image.

I was thinking of the Ottawa "Omni". It's bilingual, bi-syllabic (which seems pretty prevalent in existing systems...Metro, VIVA, C-train, SkyTrain...etc.), and alliterative (or is it consonant?...I think there's a different word for vowels...). The latin also gives it some class and makes reference to the fact that it would carry "all" people from and to "all" places.

Great! I'm happy about this. Would Omni be an acronym? Ottawa Mass Nimby Inquisitor?

[Ottawade]

O'brian's Magical Network Instrument?

[Deez]

Oh My! Neat Investment!

[Kitchissippi]

In light of all the political crap:

Out Manoeuvre Nasty Investigations

[Aylmer]

Phoque.

[Rathgrith]

I'm with Phoque.

[d_jeffrey]

Where is Kitchissippi with the Just Phoque It stickers then?

[Jamaican-Phoenix]

Alright, everybody on the phoque train!!! ;)

[Kitchissippi]

Me and my phoquing jokes.

d_jeffrey, since you've successfully argued what "at grade" means, most of our system will be:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3279/2405736228_ac15906030_o.jpg

[d_jeffrey]

Me and my phoquing jokes.

d_jeffrey, since you've successfully argued what "at grade" means, most of our system will be:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3279/2405736228_ac15906030_o.jpg

Too late, it already exists:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42051000/jpg/_42051458_overground203.jpg

It's the name of the suburban train system for London. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Overground

[Justin10000]

Canuck Line?

[Jamaican-Phoenix]

Transit OUTAOUAIS Transit

Hey, we be bilingue in this here city... :P

[jimj_wpg]

It would be nice to have a unique name that nobody else uses and has a bit of local flavour. Here, I even mucked around with a logo of a swimming otter during the weekend (I got bored of chipping ice off my driveway).

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2042/2345761510_9cd45094a1_m.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2299/2345023719_c277e2a8ed_o.jpg

I'm not sure if my clumsy french translation makes sense:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2040/2340799481_ff8c3dd39f_m.jpg

It's red and black for the Sens fans among you. Should I add some gold? :)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2313/2345851138_a9ed04e042_o.jpg

You're good at that stuff, aren't you...

Great logos.

[Dado]

I'd call the rapid transit system... now wait for it...

The Transitway

:D

Just to see ol' Bonsall squirm at how his system was now running trains and not buses. The first day there's a train on the Transitway, I'll be there to photograph it and then send a huge wall-poster sized copy of it to Bonsall.

I like the O-Tram/O-Train suggestions for tram and suburban train systems though.

[O-Town Hockey]

Otter is catchy, but I like O-Train. I guess if we used Otter we could have some kind of ridiculously awesome mascot........

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8410/otterle8.gif

or the Larry Obrien zero means zero balanced budget version:

http://www.costumeswithoutdrama.com.au/2006website/zooanimals/Sea-Otter.jpg

[Jamaican-Phoenix]

I'd call it the O-Train or metrO and the "O" would stand for Outaouais...

[Richard Eade]

I like the name OTTER. (much better than OC Trainspo)

Actually, I'm thinking that I'd call it "Too little - Too late".

[Jamaican-Phoenix]

How about we call it NELRT? Non-Existant Light Rail Transit.

[lrt's friend]

"The Never Neverland Train" with a slogan "Transit only in our dreams"

[jeremy_haak]

I really think that OCTranspo should brand their smartcards as OTTER cards. The name makes sense (Ottawa Electric Railway). It also links somewhat to the rivers (I assume that otters would be native to the Rideau/Ottawa/Gatineau Rivers). It's not necessarily exclusively branded to OCTranspo, so they could possibly use the same smartcard in Ottawa and Gatineau. It has very good branding potential - Otter souvenirs anyone? Advertising with Ollie the Otter? You get my drift. I don't think the LRT itself should be so branded, just the cards.

[Richard Eade]

There might be a problem re-branding the 'Presto' card since it really isn't ours. We are just paying the Toronto system a 1% fee for its use. (Do you think having the card will reduce our other costs by 1% to compensate? Or are our costs (and taxes) going to increase? Sorry, that's for a different thread.)

Anyway, the name 'OC Transpo' was chosen because it was acceptable to both English and French, according to the RMOC (Regional Municipality of Ottawa-Carleton). (The 'OC' is for Ottawa-Carleton, which dissappeared with amalgamation. Ottawa decided that the branding was too well known to be changed so they kept the 'OC' in the name.) I'm afraid that OTTER will be viewed as too English. Loutre is the French translation, I believe, which is too different from the English. 'Transpo' is a single word which isn't really either English or French. I think that we will need to find a word which is either the same in both official languages, or, like 'Transpo', is meaningless in both.

[Aylmer]

There might be a problem re-branding the 'Presto' card since it really isn't ours. We are just paying the Toronto system a 1% fee for its use. (Do you think having the card will reduce our other costs by 1% to compensate? Or are our costs (and taxes) going to increase? Sorry, that's for a different thread.)

Anyway, the name 'OC Transpo' was chosen because it was acceptable to both English and French, according to the RMOC (Regional Municipality of Ottawa-Carleton). (The 'OC' is for Ottawa-Carleton, which dissappeared with amalgamation. Ottawa decided that the branding was too well known to be changed so they kept the 'OC' in the name.) I'm afraid that OTTER will be viewed as too English. Loutre is the French translation, I believe, which is too different from the English. 'Transpo' is a single word which isn't really either English or French. I think that we will need to find a word which is either the same in both official languages, or, like 'Transpo', is meaningless in both.

But it's the same imagery in both languages, yet makes accromymical sense in both of them.

:)

[J.OT13]

What about the stations? I think we need to rename a few stations and find proper names for Downtown East/West stations. Here is a list of stations that should get their names changed-reason for name change-and suggestions. Keep in mind that some of my suggestions might not be a good idea because of backroom deals/lawsuits (see Downtown West).

Baseline-Who gets off at Baseline station for Baseline road?-College or Algonquin
Dominion-Doesn’t tell us much of anything-Westboro (especially if they build underground behind Wesboro Station condo)
Westboro-on the edge of Westboro, false advertisement-Scott or Metropole
Downtown West-Obvious- Place de Ville or Lyon
Downtown East-Obvious-Confederation (see O-train Confederation below)
Campus-doesn’t tell us much-University
Train-Train? WTF-Tremblay, Coventry or Terminal maybe
O-Train Confederation-Much better name for Downtown East which will have a Confederation theme near Confederation Blvd. with an entrance near the Confederation building and on Confederation Square within sight of Confederation Park-anything but Confederation


Any thoughts or comments?

[J.OT13]

Oh, and my vote is for metrO for the same reasons Mille Sabords voted for it 4 years ago; bilingual, internationally known and no apologies for being "light".

[eternallyme]

What about the stations? I think we need to rename a few stations and find proper names for Downtown East/West stations. Here is a list of stations that should get their names changed-reason for name change-and suggestions. Keep in mind that some of my suggestions might not be a good idea because of backroom deals/lawsuits (see Downtown West).

Baseline-Who gets off at Baseline station for Baseline road?-College or Algonquin
Dominion-Doesn’t tell us much of anything-Westboro (especially if they build underground behind Wesboro Station condo)
Westboro-on the edge of Westboro, false advertisement-Scott or Metropole
Downtown West-Obvious- Place de Ville or Lyon
Downtown East-Obvious-Confederation (see O-train Confederation below)
Campus-doesn’t tell us much-University
Train-Train? WTF-Tremblay, Coventry or Terminal maybe
O-Train Confederation-Much better name for Downtown East which will have a Confederation theme near Confederation Blvd. with an entrance near the Confederation building and on Confederation Square within sight of Confederation Park-anything but Confederation


Any thoughts or comments?

Agreed re: switching Dominion and Westboro, but that would be too confusing. But there is no other suitable name I can think of, and it is well established that Westboro Station is the one in the eastern part of the community.

Baseline would be better named Algonquin or something like that, since that is the main trip generator there. Likewise, Campus would be best named uOttawa (keep it simple, yet descriptive of their short form name). My picks for the downtown stations are:

Downtown West - Library/Centretown

Downtown East - Parliament

(If a third station is built downtown, the central station should be Parliament and the east station Confederation Square). The station on the other side of the canal should be Rideau Centre/Lowertown.

Agreed, Train is a poorly named station too. Possibilities: Tremblay, Trainyards, Coventry, Belfast, Overbrook...

[KHOOLE]

Oh, and my vote is for metrO for the same reasons Mille Sabords voted for it 4 years ago; bilingual, internationally known and no apologies for being "light".

metrO is good but it is already in use in Montreal (copyrights? confusion?)

How about Transpo-O ? and if ever Ottawa and Gatineau get to merge their two operations as a seamless operation with same fare and scheduling and maybe same colour identification, the combined transit systems could be called Transpo-O with O standing for both Ottawa and Outaouais.

[jeremy_haak]

You realize that would simply be called transpoo? :P

Metro is a universal name and there would be no issues in referring to the LRT as such.

Confederation Square is a poor name to use, since there is already a Confederation Station on the O-Train line. Perhaps Memorial instead?

[McC]

As I've said in another thread "Westboro Station" should be relocated to Richmond and Golden, where the historic train station was (and cues should be taken from it's design in the the new station, cause it was purrrdy. this would replace the half-assed "station" at Dominion)
The current station at Tweedsmuir should be moved west a shade and be called "Winston-Churchill" with art elements drawing from his famous portraits and speeches here in Ottawa.
A new station should be built at Island Park (which I would like to see call Mosque or Champlain, and either way be given an Islamic theme inside, e.g., some cool Turkish tile or Moroccan scrollwork).
Tunney's Pasture should be named "Holland" and should commemorate Canada-Dutch friendship (like the recent exhibit on the west wall of the Chateau Laurier parkade), I would even be so bold as to suggest asking the Dutch Royal Family to curate the competition for it's internal design elements.

MetrO is good but would scare the no-tax crowd that elects mayors in this town, and is more ambitious than what we're building anyway. So I'd call the B-Train (Baseline-Blair), when the Bayshore spur is eventually built they could be split into B-1 and B-2. The eventual/fictional Carling and Confederation Loop lines would be in a race for which one would get the C-Train name.

[KHOOLE]

You realize that would simply be called transpoo? :P

Metro is a universal name and there would be no issues in referring to the LRT as such.

Confederation Square is a poor name to use, since there is already a Confederation Station on the O-Train line. Perhaps Memorial instead?

You are probably right about "transpoo" but I thought a hyphen would make a difference (?).
Metro is also a grocery store chain name. May be copyrights issues.
Unless the o in metro is capitalized as in MetrO ?
Could do the same with TranspO
Just thinking.

[Admiral Nelson]

I don't think you can trademark a word like Metro, it predates the grocery chain.

MetrO is good but would scare the no-tax crowd that elects mayors in this town, and is more ambitious than what we're building anyway.

It could also jolt Ottawa out of its small-town mindset.

[S-Man]

LERT?
LURT?

A word version of the acronym 'LRT'?

Anyway - if you want to see small scale and glacial pace, check the news for Winnipeg's new 'Rapid Transit System'. It's 3.6km of BRT on one route. That took about a decade to build. Phase 2 is nowhere near being launched.

Reading about that made Ottawa's rapid-transit improvements seem positively...rapid!

[migo]

'Expensive!'

[Ottawan]

I don't think you can trademark a word like Metro, it predates the grocery chain.



It could also jolt Ottawa out of its small-town mindset.

It is my understanding that trademarks only have to do with similar products that could be confused. Therefore, if Gatineau called their Rapibus "Metrobus", there might be a trademark issue. If we had aisles of foodstuffs on our LRT cars or in our stations, there might be an issue. As I highly doubt that is the case, no issue.

[Ottawan]

BTW, I really like MetrO.

Capitalizing the O makes it just kitchy enough that the yokel segment of the Ottawa population could go for it, and could assuage the segment of the population sure to argue that LRT does not qualify as a 'metro' (even though that word is actually slang and so does not have to exclusively refer to underground heavy rail).

[Luker]

it could also jolt ottawa out of its small-town mindset.

this. :d

[J.OT13]

By McC
MetrO is good but would scare the no-tax crowd that elects mayors in this town, and is more ambitious than what we're building anyway.

As much as I like MetrO because it might "jolt Ottawa out of its small-town mindset" as Admiral Nelson put it, the Ken Grays of this city would flip out because it sounds ambitious or whatever. Case in point was when the city was considering light-metro (like Vancouver) technology; NYMBYs freaked out.

Name aside, our MetrO beats out Vancouver's Skytrain in capacity anyway.

Ottawa; 120 meter platforms outside the subway (expandable to 150) and 24,000+ phpd
Vancouver; 70 meter platforms and 20,000 phpd

[Uhuniau]

now all we can hope for is for some green to sprout out of larry o'brien's head.

coffee and cats warning plz!

[KHOOLE]

For those who may be interested, the word Metro for a subway ("tube" in London) goes back to the Paris World's Fair of 1900, when the subway then built was called "Compagnie de chemin de fer metropolitain de Paris". The name was shortened to "metropolitain" and then to "metro".
When Montreal built its subway in 1966, they picked up on that nickname and called it "Metro de Montreal".
I have used the Paris Metro and it's very functional. Just as in Barcelona, you can go anywhere in town quickly and cheaply. It is mostly underground, has over 200 kms of lines and more than 300 stops. Some stations are also very artistic.
I think that MetrO is a good name for Ottawa's LRT although I favour TranspO because it would be less of a copycat name.

[migo]

How about the 'Red Line' like Los Angeles Metro the 'Gold Line'?

[KHOOLE]

Paris has 14 lines and they are all colour-coded.

Ottawa is having such much trouble just getting one line in (read Sutcliffe today in the Citizen's Business section) that I doubt that another line could ever be built this century!

[Kitchissippi]

They'll probably end up sticking with O-Train for both lines and assigning them numbers or colours.

[McC]

Paris has 14 lines and they are all colour-coded.

Ottawa is having such much trouble just getting one line in (read Sutcliffe today in the Citizen's Business section) that I doubt that another line could ever be built this century!

Paris has 16 Lines (although its easy to forget le 3bis and 7bis) and they are numbered, the colours on the map are informal and have changed many times over the years. I've never met a Parisian who refers to them by their colours, only their numbers, ditto for the RERs A to E. Montreal's were numbered as well, but people got so comfortable with the colour names, that they've stuck for all but the most formal uses, where you'll see Line-1 (Green) or Line-5 (Blue)*

*they skipped number 3

[J.OT13]

Originally posted by McC
*they skipped number 3

For those who don't know, line number 3, or the red line, was an above ground metro that was canceled for 2 reasons;
1-Montreal chose a rubber tired metro (like Paris) witch would not be ideal for Canadian outdoor conditions
2-Montreal was awarded the 1967 Expo, therefor the yellow line (line 4) was more of a priority.

Note that the "Agence métropolitaine de transport" commuter rail now uses the tracks and tunnel (existing at the time for CN) that were to be used by the red line #3.

[MountainView]

I agree they will probably just stick with O-train and when multiple lines are built (or if you count the current N-S line) just name them to their destination. Since the Bayview-Greenboro is completely different I don't think people will be confused. Similar to the C-train in Calgary that is called the C-train but splits into 2.

[OttawaSteve]

+1 for MetrO

No need to worry about stealing the name. It's the generic name for subways in Europe and elsewhere (http://engl.mosmetro.ru/).

For those who may be interested, the word Metro for a subway ("tube" in London) goes back to the Paris World's Fair of 1900, when the subway then built was called "Compagnie de chemin de fer metropolitain de Paris". The name was shortened to "metropolitain" and then to "metro".

I recall reading that this name was itself inspired by London's Metropolitan Railway, opened in 1863. (I don't have a definitive source confirming this, but p. 115-117 of this dissertation (http://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/2027.42/62374/2/psoppels_1.pdf) comes close.)

[OttawaJL]

I'm not crazy about TranspO, I really like MetrO though! Although it is a common name for transit around the world, I think the simple fact that the O is capitalized makes it original!

[Uhuniau]

How about the Just Build the MF Thing Already? JBMFTA for short. [Insert suitable translation here.]

[J.OT13]

How about the Just Build the MF Thing Already? JBMFTA for short. [Insert suitable translation here.]

[Construis don la saint-sacrament d'affaire au plus câlice CDLSSAPC] :banana:

We can swear in French on an English forum right? :D

[lrt's friend]

The burr-O because it is such a short tunnel.

[MountainView]

The burr-O because it is such a short tunnel.

Before I read the short tunnel part I thought you were going to suggest 'burr-O' because this town is both filled with bureaucrats & it's cold outside for half the year!

[RTWAP]

I think inertia will result in O-train being used again. I'm fine with that.