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peanut gallery
01-19-2008, 06:57 AM
Eight local architecture firms are taking part in a competition to envision what SF might look like 100 years from now. They will be giving their presentations on Sunday at the Ferry Building and their models will be on display until Monday. Unfortunately, I can't be in the city either of those days. Is anyone planning to be near the waterfront Sunday or Monday?

From the Chronicle (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/01/18/BAM2UGDLB.DTL):

Envisioning the San Francisco of 2108
John King, Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, January 18, 2008

As far as their business goes, the 18 employees of Pfau Architecture should be focused this week on design jobs that include a private house in Stinson Beach and a classroom building for City College of San Francisco.

Instead, the firm put its clients on hold to tackle something larger: a vision of what San Francisco could look like 100 years from now.

"We usually spend all our time immersed in things like public approvals and code details," said Peter Pfau. "It's fun to have the chance to turn on the creative juices, untrammeled by reality."

Pfau's firm is one of the participants in a competition organized by the History Channel. Grandly titled "City of the Future: A Design and Engineering Challenge," the aim is to show how, amid the looming threat of hazards like global warming, creative vision and new technologies might be used to transform familiar landscapes.

The teams received a 23-page brief with the contest rules last Saturday, giving them seven days to find inspiration, flesh out the details and then package them with visual flair for a design jury. And the visuals are key to the contest: On Sunday, each team will have three hours to assemble its model of San Francisco 2108 in a public event at the Ferry Building that will be filmed for possible use on the History Channel or its Web site.

The winner gets $10,000 and the chance to have its vision face off with rivals from Atlanta and Washington, D.C. The firms also receive $2,000 each to defray expenses for the competition.

The money involved won't begin to recoup time that could have been devoted to billable clients. Nor is it likely to cover the costs of fashioning a 3 1/2-by-7-foot model of the renewed city that - think visuals - "must have at least one structural element that cantilevers out a minimum of two feet beyond its support."

But leaders of several teams this week shrugged off the bottom-line impact. Not only are they drawn to the specifics of the History Channel challenge, but they find that competitions in general can be a way to sharpen their other work.

"In order to keep the spirit of innovation going, we try to take part in one competition a year," said Lisa Gelfand of Gelfand Partners Architects, a 25-person firm that specializes in public buildings such as schools. "We try to choose competitions that blow off the walls of architecture a bit. That's an important thing to do."

While Pfau's firm and three others were invited to participate in the challenge, Gelfand's firm is one of three that were added after submitting their design portfolios.

"It feels really great to be able to have our say about how San Francisco should be in 100 years," said Gelfand, whose firm has renovated several local buildings for low-income housing. "A lot of our work is devoted to broadening the diversity of who the city serves ... The only way for this to remain a great city is for it to be a diverse place."

The competition brief is broad enough to tackle residential diversity or anything else that concerns the contestants, for that matter. Among the issues that teams are asked to address are infrastructure, transportation, commerce, housing, security ("what new architectural solutions will safeguard us from future harm?" asks the brief) and the environment.

"The future is a smorgasbord, that's all I can say," shrugged Casey Jones of Jones/Kroloff, the competition's adviser. "Any of these factors can be a linchpin for deciding where society goes."

This is the second year for the contest, which in 2006 included Chicago and Los Angeles. To Jones, San Francisco's a natural as "among the most iconic cities in the United States." And even though the particulars of the different visions might not come to pass, he sees a value that ripples beyond the participants.

"Competitions can be a catalyst to stimulate wider thinking," Jones said, referring to such events as the Chicago Tribune Tower competition of 1922, which exposed the general public to modern skyscraper design. "When you put ideas in front of people, you create the opportunity for change."

First, though, the ideas have to take shape.

At Pfau Architecture, more than a dozen staffers gathered Wednesday morning in a book-lined meeting room to go through sketches and data tied to their proposal. The first half hour, though, involved a discussion of the logistics surrounding a model to convey their scheme.

"Someone was researching the Plexiglas fabrication technique," Pfau principal Dwight Long interjected at one point. "Can you report on that?"
"We need to talk about costs," commented architect Kerstin Fischer.
Pfau laughed. "At this point it's whatever is fastest."

Long jumped back in: "Unless it's $100,000."

While firms such as Gelfand's and Pfau's are large enough to do the work on their own, IwamotoScott Architecture is calling in outside help. The entire staff consists of just four people, so Craig Scott and Lisa Iwamoto enlisted a handful of their students to take part.

"A week before we received the brief, we started getting maps and talking to people and finding out things about San Francisco," said Scott, an associate professor at California College of the Arts. And since the couple's office doubles as their personal loft, the dining area was converted to a work area with tables and computers.

So why tolerate the disruption?

"It's nice to step out of the day-to-day," said Iwamoto, an associate professor at UC Berkeley. "Architects by nature are visionary, thinking of the future. So it's hard to say no when you're offered the chance to do it."
Online resources

For more information on the competition:
www.history.com/cityofthefuture

What: City of the Future: A Design and Engineering Challenge. Eight teams will assemble models of what they think San Francisco could look like in 100 years.

When: Event begins at 10 a.m. Sunday. Presentations to the competition jury begin at 1:15 p.m. Models remain on display on Monday.

Where: Second floor of the Ferry Building, San Francisco.

Who: The competition includes six design firms: Anderson Anderson Architecture, Fougeron Architecture, Gelfand Partners Architects, IwamotoScott Architecture, Kuth Ranieri Architects and Pfau Architecture. There also are two teams made up mainly of students and educators, SLOMobility and IF architecture.

Reminiscence
01-19-2008, 07:34 AM
I'll be out of town as well, or I'd stop by myself. It'll be interesting to see what concepts they come up with, especially with coastal flooding and erosion around the block.

I wonder if I'll live long enough to see it with my own eyes ... :)

SFView
01-20-2008, 12:24 AM
A hundred years is a bit of a stretch, especially if nanotechnology might eventually change almost everything we see, act, do, live with and use, including our abilities to live long enough to see it in 2108. This still would be interesting to see anyway. Sorry, I can't make it either. Anyone else?

CHapp
01-21-2008, 06:32 PM
Here's John King's report of the competition in the Chronicle:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/01/21/BAHSUIO5C.DTL

peanut gallery
01-30-2008, 07:40 PM
And another follow-up from King (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/a/2008/01/29/DDRDUKD1T.DTL). Note that we'll get another chance to look at the proposals. I'll definitely check them out.

No one knows what our city will look like in 2108. But why not have fun imagining?
John King
Tuesday, January 29, 2008

http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/01/29/dd_place2903.jpg

http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/01/29/dd_place2904.jpg

The good thing about an architectural competition like this month's fantasia on the San Francisco of 2108 is that, realistically, you don't need to be realistic.

Planning boards, fussy neighbors, cheap developers and self-righteous interest groups - gone. Instead we get a grand what-if: What if creative people could play a visionary role shaping how we live?

"With architecture, you tend to come in when a lot of the decisions have been made," says Anne Fougeron, a finalist in the recent "City of the Future" competition that imagined San Francisco a century from now. "This allows us to bring forth larger ideas about the urban environment."

Fougeron and her eight-person firm design award-winning homes for the wealthy in places like Big Sur. She also takes on work with a more public aspect, such as a library soon to break ground in San Francisco's Ingleside neighborhood.

This month, the firm shifted gears, putting other jobs on hold to take part in the design showdown that included six local firms and two teams from academia. The teams had one week to concoct a vision of their ideal city-to-be, and three hours to assemble the presentation model before the public at the Ferry Building on Jan. 20. For my money, Fougeron's entry was the best: It fast-forwarded us to a Bay Area that raises enough food to feed a population twice today's 7.2 million.

Fougeron took plenty of liberties, such as assuming that by 2108 cars will be banned from the city - allowing hydroponic farms to sprout in thousands of unneeded garages. But the core of her vision takes current-day reality and extends it beyond make-believe to "why not?"

Starting with the goal of an agriculturally self-sufficient Bay Area, Fougeron's team drew on schemes by Columbia University microbiology Professor Dickson Despommier to grow food in specialized towers he calls "vertical farms." Another given: Prefabricated modular structures can be snapped together like so many Legos.

With those facts in hand, architectural imagination took flight - and ended up above a San Francisco Bay dotted by 200 towers, 40 stories each, layered with loam and bountiful enough to feed 10 million people. They'd use solar energy and recirculated water. The stacked modules would include residential nooks for farm crews as well.

If all this sounds far-fetched, it's a kitchen remodel compared with the winner of "City of the Future's" $10,000 prize: "HydroNet," by the San Francisco firm IwamotoScott.

The small firm took a futuristic approach - and then some - mapping out a city where people travel beneath ground in "hydrogen-fueled hover-cars" through a web of robot-drilled tunnels with walls "structured using carbon nanotube technology," tunnels also used to transport water and power.

Energy comes from algae ponds that fill shallow portions of the bay reclaimed by the rising ocean, and geothermal forces tapped from deep within the earth. New housing would be contained in what the team's description calls "a forest of sinuous towers," thus allowing "much of the character of above-ground San Francisco to be preserved and evolve organically."

The six-member jury was wowed by the all-encompassing audacity of San Francisco as a hydrogen-fueled utopia. It also fell for the IwamotoScott team's seductive model with its layers of Plexiglas and a blob-like aquifer that not only stores water but contains community gathering spaces.

I understand the allure of such an imaginative take on what could be; it's just so out there. By comparison, Fougeron carries things to a conceivable extreme.

The Bay Area, after all, is a region that makes a fetish of the idea we should know the pedigree of every slice of goat cheese that ends up on our organic fair trade cracker. So if we're serious about locally grown food, why not go all the way?

The concept reflects reality in another way as well. When Fougeron made her presentation, she quipped that the first agricultural tower would rise in 2050 because "it takes time to get things through" the planning approval process.

"We felt that with a narrow field of vision we could develop a more comprehensive approach," Fougeron says. "The supply of food is a fundamental issue."

Whether or not the San Francisco of 2108 includes vertical farms - or IwamotoScott's geothermal steam baths atop Twin Peaks - I'm glad the History Channel selected San Francisco as one of three locales for its "City of the Future" competition. It stirs the pot.

"The great advantage of competitions is that they allow visionary work, without the constraints that shape real projects," says Ila Berman, the new chair of Architecture at the California College of the Arts. "Eventually, some fictions become reality."

Berman's "thrilled" that IwamotoScott was selected, calling the firm's scheme "absolutely compelling." And if it's provocative, all the better.

"Part of expanding the mind-set of people is giving them something to see and think about," Berman suggests. "It's important that people be pushed to think about environmental issues at a global scale and how cities fit in."

If you missed the event at the Ferry Building, there's another change to glimpse the San Francisco of 2108.

The models and presentations from each of the eight teams will be on display Feb. 4-15 at the San Francisco campus of the California College of the Arts, 1111 Eighth St. There also will be a panel discussion featuring several of the architects at 7 p.m. on Feb. 6.

Be there or be so 20th Century.

http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/01/29/dd_place2905.jpg

http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/01/29/dd_place2902.jpg

SFView
02-01-2008, 08:58 PM
http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/01/29/dd_place2903.jpg

It almost looks like someone threw early 21st century Dubai skyscraper seed all over San Francisco! Interesting concepts and ideas from all the teams though...

kcexpress69
07-28-2008, 01:08 AM
:uhh: Are those things in the foreground floating?

urbanlife
07-28-2008, 01:20 AM
I would be 130 in 2108.

SFView
07-29-2008, 01:32 AM
I would be 130 in 2108.

Perhaps chronological age and physical age might have an entirely different relationship to each other than it does now, in 2108. Imagine looking almost as you do now, 100 years from now, and not be so concerned with growing old or dying.

I don't know the creator's intention, but there might be a way to use anti-gravity and ultra-high strength nanotech materials to support those otherwise dangerously teetering buildings by 2108.

Actually as I said, 100 years is much too far ahead for most of us to predict accurately. There are still plenty of interesting possibilities to guess at based on current research though. Some potentially world changing technologies are still being kept secret from most of us, while many others are still yet to be discovered.

urbanlife
07-29-2008, 04:48 AM
Perhaps chronological age and physical age might have an entirely different relationship to each other than it does now, in 2108. Imagine looking almost as you do now, 100 years from now, and not be so concerned with growing old or dying.

I don't know the creator's intention, but there might be a way to use anti-gravity and ultra-high strength nanotech materials to support those otherwise dangerously teetering buildings by 2108.

Actually as I said, 100 years is much too far ahead for most of us to predict accurately. There are still plenty of interesting possibilities to guess at based on current research though. Some potentially world changing technologies are still being kept secret from most of us, while many others are still yet to be discovered.

Plus you consider the speed technology grows, the limit of resources, and this pesky planet we live on. We might be in for alot of surprises in the next 100 years that a city like SF might not even look anything like what it does today...or it might not even be there anymore.


Oh and the whole brain aging and the body not aging, that is always great science fiction or what they call in Hollywood "Botox."

SFView
07-29-2008, 06:28 PM
Plus you consider the speed technology grows, the limit of resources, and this pesky planet we live on. We might be in for alot of surprises in the next 100 years that a city like SF might not even look anything like what it does today...or it might not even be there anymore.


Oh and the whole brain aging and the body not aging, that is always great science fiction or what they call in Hollywood "Botox."

There is withheld technology and unwithheld technology under research where limited resources would not be an issue. This is not science fiction. Such technology will be necessary for our planet to survive, but could also change the structural core of our current civilization on Earth.

I still think there are many things special about San Francisco that people, whomever or whatever will want to preserve as long as there are those who exist that wish to maintain them.

BTinSF
07-29-2008, 06:41 PM
I think Hell will freeze over LONG before San Francisco allows anything like this atop Twin Peaks:

http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/01/29/dd_place2903.jpg

That they will have torn down the TV tower, though, that's realistic.

urbanlife
07-29-2008, 08:48 PM
There is withheld technology and unwithheld technology under research where limited resources would not be an issue. This is not science fiction. Such technology will be necessary for our planet to survive, but could also change the structural core of our current civilization on Earth.

I still think there are many things special about San Francisco that people, whomever or whatever will want to preserve as long as there are those who exist that wish to maintain them.

oh trust me, I am well aware there are things out there that are much more than science fiction, but seeing as that I have no hand in them, they really dont matter much to what happens in my world right now.

Oh I was very impressed with SF while I was there, and I do hope it is a city that lasts for generations to come, but again, only time will tell what mother nature could do to any city in the world.

SFView
07-30-2008, 05:45 PM
I think Hell will freeze over LONG before San Francisco allows anything like this atop Twin Peaks:

http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/01/29/dd_place2903.jpg

That they will have torn down the TV tower, though, that's realistic.

I also get the feeling most people would object to San Francisco ever looking like this now or in the future, including myself. Not only are those buildings on Twin Peaks grossly out of scale, and place the surrounding homes in shadow; the skyline looks like an unkempt mess.

You're probably right about the TV tower no longer being needed.

alexjon
07-30-2008, 06:03 PM
Well, good thing I'll be dead by then-- that all looks so ridiculous.

LWR
07-31-2008, 05:45 AM
I also see that no one bothered to raise the water level... thus making a good portion of "downtown" a "sea world" attraction.:jester:

Reminiscence
07-31-2008, 07:56 AM
I'd be 121 that year. Its theoretically possible I'll still be around. After all, it has been done before. Its hard to put all that into context right now, but I'm sure as technology advances ever so rapidly, we'll start seeing more dynamic changes.

LWR has a point though, wheres all the water from the polar ice caps? Its certainly something that will affect proposals in some decades.

urbanlife
07-31-2008, 08:02 AM
actually I want to know who scored the contract to design all the curvy buildings in the city. There are tons of them, someone scored a big inside job to make one firm get all those commissions.

Actually it is probably absurd to even try to predict what a city will look like beyond basic zoning planning. It would make more sense to show the city with a ton of gray boxes to represent buildings to show the shifts in zoning laws that would need to happen to help a city grow. It should show possible climate change futures and such. But when a present day designer tries to design the future, it always seems to look so pointless, like what person would approve of these ideas in the future?

Gordo
07-31-2008, 03:26 PM
I also see that no one bothered to raise the water level... thus making a good portion of "downtown" a "sea world" attraction.:jester:

See, I figured that those giant buildings on top of Twin Peaks were huge greenhouse gas suckers that will have saved us all from global warming ;)

SFView
07-31-2008, 05:24 PM
There is the chance that within the technology that I mentioned the ability to restore the Earth to pre-global warming conditions, eliminate polution, and render inert any nuclear waste. Hopefully this gets done before any loss of life or property occurs.

The skyline in the rendering looks like someone went crazy with Photoshop. Maybe it was wishful thinking of the designer or architect that so many of his or her designs were built successfully in San Francisco by 2108, or it was too difficult to come up with more different designs for hundred of new buildings? Could it have been both? One of the repeated buildings reminds me of a giant white giraffe.

This was probably an excercise where some of the realities of zoning and planning, etc. needed to be overlooked. Furthermore, we can't even accurately predict what San Francisco will look like even 5 or 10 years from now.

edsg25
11-30-2008, 07:47 PM
I think Hell will freeze over LONG before San Francisco allows anything like this atop Twin Peaks:

http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/01/29/dd_place2903.jpg



yes. they might have to relabel it Twin Freaks

krudmonk
11-30-2008, 09:57 PM
Those look like super roach motels with enhanced air intake.

leftopolis
12-02-2008, 05:14 AM
Silly people...Giant-fugly-futuristic-fog-sucker-blower-machines only work when you put them on a hilltop!

leftopolis
12-02-2008, 09:44 AM
I'm still confused...but the photo everyone is commenting on, is titled:
Geothermal Mushroom and Algae Towers in Background (http://www.history.com/minisite.do?content_type=Minisite_Image_Gallery&content_type_id=58141&display_order=6&sub_display_order=11&mini_id=55712)

StevenW
02-15-2009, 11:21 PM
interesting stuff..... :D

SLO
02-16-2009, 02:22 AM
Wow, those are hideous. That would be sad sad sad....

SFView
02-20-2009, 05:52 PM
San Francisco in 2108 doesn't look so good. How about another 100 years or more after that? Is this San Francisco in somewhere around the early 2250's?

From: http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1178141465/
"Star Trek" 2009 movie trailer
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m96/mrayatsfo/StarTrekMovieStillCity2.jpg

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m96/mrayatsfo/StarTrekMovieStillCity1.jpg

peanut gallery
02-20-2009, 06:39 PM
Not sure how I feel about a skyscraper cluster in the middle of the Presidio, but I look forward to getting my standard-issue red suit to wear. :)

SFView
02-20-2009, 09:36 PM
Well then I'll be looking forward to seeing you in freshman class at Starfleet Academy. I have heard that the main academy campus is (will be) in the Presidio, but I don't understand why (in the world of Star Trek) the buildings are (will be) so tall there. ...But I do have to say that Presidio skyline looks better than the ones I see for SF 2108, even if it does appear in an odd place from our 2009 point of view. Actually, all the future schemes show large or tall buildings where they would not be acceptable today. With the current proposals for Transbay and Rincon Hill that wouldn't have been heard of back in 1970's San Francisco, there might be a point to this, both as future fact and fiction. After about 30 or 40 years from now, I envision the San Francisco skyline continuing to spread further south and west from the current core.

I don't know if I'm reading this right, but is that supposed to be Coit Tower in the far left of the bottom image I posted?

Reminiscence
02-21-2009, 12:19 AM
It sure looks like Coit Tower, or a model of Coit at least. I can't really seem to spot Transamerica though, as its lost in the sea of 'scrapers.

Whats that in the middle of the water, a mini gamma ray burst?

SFView
02-21-2009, 06:25 AM
It sure looks like Coit Tower, or a model of Coit at least. I can't really seem to spot Transamerica though, as its lost in the sea of 'scrapers...

Yeah, something like the way the Russ Building is "lost in the sea of 'scrapers" in 2009 San Francisco.

...Whats that in the middle of the water, a mini gamma ray burst?

Young Kirk, Spock and the rest of their cohorts will probably solve that mystery for us. It looks rather threatening doesn't it? I hope it's not coming from some sort of future NIMBY...:D

peanut gallery
02-21-2009, 07:24 AM
It looks rather threatening doesn't it? I hope it's not coming from some sort of future NIMBY...:D

That cracked me up!

I think that is Coit Tower. Good eye. I didn't notice that at first.

krudmonk
02-21-2009, 05:38 PM
Wow, I was looking that as the wrong bridge.

QuarterMileSidewalk
04-11-2009, 11:10 PM
Here's a somewhat clearer pic for you guys. Is that the Palace of Fine Arts to the left of the shuttle? I still don't see Transamerica, though.

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2838/sanfranstartrekr.png

BTinSF
04-12-2009, 06:29 PM
Here's a somewhat clearer pic for you guys. Is that the Palace of Fine Arts to the left of the shuttle? I still don't see Transamerica, though.


Yes, that's the Palace of Fine Arts. If the TransAmerica is still standing it would be lost behind some of those megabuildings to the left of the Palace. I also think it's highly improbable the city would ever permit anybody to fill in the Bay as shown in the picture for highrises (those 2 spits of land jutting out from the Marina).

krudmonk
04-12-2009, 09:45 PM
I'm still wondering how increased densification and advanced green tech has created all that smog.

SFView
04-13-2009, 07:43 PM
Note that the skies are more blue just as the beam attack occurs.

Chicago103
05-16-2009, 07:28 AM
Here is a shot from the movie Star Trek that includes the Transamerica building.

http://img.trekmovie.com/images/st09/ritcards/06.jpg

QuarterMileSidewalk
05-20-2009, 03:59 AM
^Well, Chicago103, I'm wondering how you feel about having the Sears Tower relocated to SF, and having a chunk of the upper floors lopped off... (above/left of the shorter palm tree there.)

<edit> I also recognize Sun Hung Kai Centre from Hong Kong, right above that same tree... looks like late modernism is gonna make a big comeback!</edit>

As for the inexplicable smog, maybe we Angelenos just gave up trying to control it, and it keeps drifting up your way, kinda like how the smog from Beijing ends up in California today.



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