[kitchener-lrt]

I though that this would be an interesting topic, and I was wondering, what is your city's twin city?
*This can also include distant/ sister cities of your city.*
Being from Kitchener (ON), I'd say that our twin city is Waterloo (ON).

[LeftCoaster]

Isn't it essentially the same city?

I don't think that really counts.

As for vancouver I would have to say San Francisco.

[Cambridgite]

What are we talking about here? Are we talking about twin cities in terms of a conurbation (ie. the OP's example of K-W) or are we talking about cities that are more distant but show similar traits or culture (ie. Vancouver-SF)?

[Jamaican-Phoenix]

Ottawa's twin city would be Gatineau, Quebec.

Her sister cities are Beijing and some place in Italy...

[le calmar]

Sherbrooke-Magog. (even if Magog is way smaller)

[Aylmer]

Aylmer and Paradise!
(even if Aylmer is WAAAAY better!)


:)

[Aylmer]

This thread is sorta like my novel: This is my twin :)...

VOTED THE COCAINE THREAD OF THE YEAR!!!

[RWin]

Calgary and London (UK).

[davee930]

Calgary and London (UK).

how?

[RWin]

Oh, sorry, I ment New York.

[skrish]

Calgary and Denver???

[LeftCoaster]

Oh, sorry, I ment New York.

Still... how?

[kitchener-lrt]

What are we talking about here? Are we talking about twin cities in terms of a conurbation (ie. the OP's example of K-W) or are we talking about cities that are more distant but show similar traits or culture (ie. Vancouver-SF)?

Sorry for not clarifying. This thread is about twin cities (ex. Kitchener and Waterloo), as well as distant cities/sister cities (Vancouver-San Fran).

[Rusty van Reddick]

Vancouver and SF look nothing, nothing, nothing alike.

In terms of built form, the city that looks most like Vancouver is probably- yes- Toronto.

[LeftCoaster]

Well its good theres more involved than built form then isnt it furry?

[rapswin!]

Toronto and Chicago

[Aylmer]

Soooooooo true!

:)

[MonkeyRonin]

Not at all physically, but in a more cultural/demographic sense, San Francisco seems to me to be quite similar to Toronto, moreso than it does with Vancouver anyway. In terms of built form, a mix of Chicago, Melbourne, Detroit, New York, Boston, Moscow, and Los Angeles perhaps.

[RWin]

Still... how?

Paris?

[rapswin!]

well physically toronto and chicago are very similar. their both on great lakes. in a cultural/demographic way i would agree san fran is like toronto

[Aylmer]

Seattle's skyline always made me think of Toronto...

:)

[LeftCoaster]

That I dont understand.

Sure both are liberal, but San Fran is a much more laid back west coast city compared to Toronto. I has a heavy asian influence, and a very outdoorsy 'granola' culture... much more Vanocuver I think.

I think Toronto is more like Chicago in both senses. Geographically it speaks for itself, and culturally they are both very business minded cities, and are both quite liberal forward thinking cities.

[rapswin!]

Paris?

how is calgary like paris

[clynnog]

Aylmer and Paradise!
(even if Aylmer is WAAAAY better!)


:)

I think you may have been spending too much time at the British Hotel if your opinion of Aylmer is that high.

[Aylmer]

how is calgary like paris

Good god...
That is a good question, isn't it?

:)

[Aylmer]

I think you may have been spending too much time at the British Hotel if your opinion of Aylmer is that high.

:rolleyes:

Never been and think that it is being wasted as a bar...

[Ayreonaut]

For TV, Black Diamond. Probably soon to be one and the same.

[RWin]

how is calgary like paris

Nairobi?

I love this thread.

[Aylmer]

:haha:

[Ayreonaut]

I love this thread.If you didn't say this he might have still thought you were serious.

[Aylmer]

?

[Ayreonaut]

?I'm pretty sure rapswin thinks he's been serious about his suggestions for Calgary's twin.

[Boreal]

Winnipeg and Milwaukee. Based on feel. When I'm in Milwaukee, it feels very much like I'm in Winnipeg.

[Aylmer]

I don't think so...

Winnipeg and Aylmer!

:)

[mr.x]

Don't know about twin cities, but Vancouver is SISTER CITIES with:

• Los Angeles
• Guangzhou
• Yokohama
• Edinburgh
• Odessa

[Aylmer]

Guangzhuo?

Interesting name...

:)

[rapswin!]

I'm pretty sure rapswin thinks he's been serious about his suggestions for Calgary's twin.i wont lie, i thought he was serious:haha: :doh:

[Aylmer]

Guilty, I did too!

:haha:

:)

[RWin]

Right! Everyone knows Calgary's twin is Sydney.

[rapswin!]

Still joking

[dennis]

Winnipeg and Chicago
Chicago is Arnold Schwarzenegger
and Winnipeg is Danny DeVito

[Aylmer]

What?

[rapswin!]

Winnipeg and Chicago
Chicago is Arnold Schwarzenegger
and Winnipeg is Danny DeVito
:shrug:

[Aylmer]

My thoughts exactly.

;)

[dennis]

My God!!! you people have never seen Twins starring Danny DeVito and Arnold Schwarzenegger (comedy, 1988)?

[Aylmer]

I was born in 199*.

Was it funny?
Did you have remote controls that where the size of a printer?

:)

[dennis]

Hah

[RWin]

Did you have remote controls that where the size of a printer?

:)

No. We had to walk up to the tv.

[Aylmer]

:haha:

[rapswin!]

Did you have remote controls that where the size of a printer?
:haha: i was born 1991 but i still wacth movies that old

[Aylmer]

I still watch movies from the 50's and listen to moetown and the beatles...

But I still have a reasonably sized remote!

:)

[kitchener-lrt]

No. We had to walk up to the tv.

:haha:

Since we've already stated the obvious (that Aylmer is twins with Toronto, Paris, London, Chicago and Tokyo;) ), are there any cities that could act as your city's twin?

[Aylmer]

:haha:

Since we've already stated the obvious (that Aylmer is twins with Toronto, Paris, London, Chicago and Tokyo;)

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[vid]

Thunder Bay's Twin Cities are Duluth, Minnesota (Port on Lake Superior); Little Canada, Minnesota (a town now engulfed by the Twin Cities, it was founded by a Thunder Bayer); Gifu, Japan (Originally Yanaizu, until it was amalgamated with Gifu. Both cities have a history of paper industries and have a very close relationship, with each city sending delegates almost annually); Seinäjoki Finland, a city from which many Finnish immigrants came to Thunder Bay, and Keelung Taiwan, a large port east of Taipei.

Bunkperugu, Ghana; Bukit Timah, Singapore; and Siderno, Italy were sister cities until their twinning agreements expired last spring. Bunkperugu and Bukit Timah were cultural exchange things, Siderno is the area where from which a lot of Italian immigrants came to the area.

[Aylmer]

Singapore?

You've got to be kidding.

:)

[Ayreonaut]

Calgary's actual sister cities:
Phoenix, USA
Daejeon, South Korea
Naucalpan, Mexico
Daqing, China
Jaipur, India
Quebec City, Canada

[vid]

Singapore?

You've got to be kidding.

:)

Bukit Timah is a neighbourhood around a hill in NW Singapore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukit_Timah

[Only The Lonely..]

Winnipeg and Milwaukee. Based on feel. When I'm in Milwaukee, it feels very much like I'm in Winnipeg.

I've heard this too from several other people.

Lot's of folks often group Winnipeg and Minneapolis together because its the closest big U.S. city, but the Twin cities are much more clean and suburban than anything you will find in the 'Peg. Plus they bulldozed most of their older buildings and their warehouse district pales in comparison to our Exchange district.

Winnipeg with its grit and Chicago style buildings probably has more in common with a place like Milwaukee.

[jeremy_haak]

As far as North American cities go, I'll put forward Montreal and Boston.

[salvius]

As far as North American cities go, I'll put forward Montreal and Boston.

I really don't see any resemblance.

[MolsonExport]

Waterloo, Montreal, Boston:

"One of these things is not like the others; one of these three is not kinda the same..."

[jeremy_haak]

Waterloo, Montreal, Boston:

"One of these things is not like the others; one of these three is not kinda the same..."

Sorry, I meant that Montreal and Boston are similar. Waterloo certainly is not.

[flar]

Sister cities: Hamilton and Flint, MI. I'm not kidding.

[wild wild west]

for Calgary, actual twin cities aside I think there are a few cities that share certain obvious common aspects with us - such as Edmonton, Denver, Houston and Perth (Australia).

[401_King]

minus population ~3million vs 1 mill, i think calgary and denver metro are pretty similar.... mountains to the left, a main river flowing through downtown. energy industry is big in both. sprawl. demographics are totally different, denver has a significant hispanic and african american population...while calgary's got more asian and south asian influence.

edit: another difference, the mountains in denver are much closer to the city.

[wild wild west]

minus population, i think calgary and denver metro are pretty similar.... mountains to the left, a main river flowing through downtown. energy industry is big in both. sprawl. demographics are totally different, denver has a significant hispanic and african american population...while calgary's got more asian and south asian influence.

Very true on all counts. Certainly from a physical/geographic point of view, these two cities look very similar. Even their skylines bear an uncanny resemblance...although, not for long with Calgary's building boom.

[kool maudit]

philadelphia

[LordMandeep]

well, I always heard Toronto/Chicago.

They are similar.
Northern, cold, large in population, large urban core.

[O-Town Hockey]

well, I always heard Toronto/Chicago.

They are similar.
Northern, cold, large in population, large urban core.

There's more than that. They are both on the lakefront, they have large arts/entertainment industries (musicals, art galleries, museums, etc.). They are also both rather isolated from other large urban centres.

[Rico Rommheim]

Winnipeg and Chicago
Chicago is Arnold Schwarzenegger
and Winnipeg is Danny DeVito

I get it :)

[salvius]

philadelphia

Yeah, I'd go for Philadelphia and Montreal (Boston, not so much), although Montreal is definitely the cooler twin in this case.

I've got nothing for Toronto. Not Chicago.

[Cambridgite]

There's more than that. They are both on the lakefront, they have large arts/entertainment industries (musicals, art galleries, museums, etc.). They are also both rather isolated from other large urban centres.

I'd agree on most of that, but Toronto isn't really isolated from other large urban centres. In Canada, it's about as non-isolated as you can get. Buffalo and Detroit are nearby, plus lots of mid-sized cities in between.

[Cambridgite]

Sorry, I meant that Montreal and Boston are similar. Waterloo certainly is not.

Haha, good that you corrected yourself. I was about to ask you what you were smoking today.

Hmm, for Waterloo Region, I'd say this...

For urban form, I'd say we're a mix between Toronto and Calgary, minus the large downtown. The abundant 1960s/70s apartment slabs are similar to Toronto, while the new subdivisions have a similar look to what's being built in Calgary, and just as dense.

In the inner parts of Kitchener, the architecture is similar to Detroit, except the houses are not abandoned/bulldozed/deteriorating. Very industrial too.

Economically, I'd say its twin is Austin, Texas. It's a fast growing university town with a burgeoning tech sector. It's not particularly well known and overshadowed by Dallas and Houston (Toronto a good comparison?). Austin has a reputation for being a fun city, which brings me to my next point...

In terms of the culture of the city, I dunno...Barrie :( ? Maybe some other local forumers could help me out.

[vid]

I think Kitchener looks like Sudbury. :) Culturally speaking, it probably has a lot in common with them too. Lots of culture for a city of only 150,000 people.

[craner]

I agree with:
Toronto - Chicago
Calgary - Denver
Winnipeg - Milwaukee
Vancouver - Sydney (for some reason)
Montreal - ?

I've often wondered if Dallas and Houston have a Calgary - Edmonton thing going on and, if so, which Texas city matches which Albertan equivalent best ?
:)

[Ayreonaut]

For some reason I imagine Calgary being more similar to Houston, I think maybe because a neighbor of mine moved there (he's back now). Edmonon and Dallas are both more Northerly, although Dallas is bigger than Houston. Then again maybe there are no similarities, I don't know.

[craner]

For some reason I imagine Calgary being more similar to Houston, I think maybe because a neighbor of mine moved there (he's back now). Edmonon and Dallas are both more Northerly, although Dallas is bigger than Houston. Then again maybe there are no similarities, I don't know.

Yeah - I don't know either (other than the oil and wild west connections). Just throwing it out there for discussion

[softee]

If I had to pick a far away city that was sort of like North Bay in terms of it's layout, look and feel, I'd go with Bellingham, Washington.

Within Ontario, I'd pick Peterborough.

[CONative]

Very true on all counts. Certainly from a physical/geographic point of view, these two cities look very similar. Even their skylines bear an uncanny resemblance...although, not for long with Calgary's building boom.

Not sure if you've been paying attention, but Denver also has a building boom right now -- so don't be so sure.. :)

[The Jabroni]

I think Winnipeg's twin city is Des Moines, Iowa.

As for actual sister cities...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnipeg#Sister_cities

[Only The Lonely..]

Yeah, I'd go for Philadelphia and Montreal (Boston, not so much), although Montreal is definitely the cooler twin in this case.

I've got nothing for Toronto. Not Chicago.

I agree, Toronto may have more in common with Chicago geographically speaking but in terms of street car neighbourhoods and smaller 10 - 12 story buildings Winnipeg has way more in common with the Windy city.

Let's face it, the Toronto that most of us know is the product of the late 60's and 70's. If Toronto had kept more of its historic buildings the case for the Toronto / Chicago connection might be more compelling.


Originally Posted by dennis
Winnipeg and Chicago
Chicago is Arnold Schwarzenegger
and Winnipeg is Danny DeVito


That's cute. I was in Chitown 12 weeks ago and I have to admit that it felt pretty much like a big Winnipeg. A lot of people that I know who went there feel similarly.

I have always been of the opinion that Chicago and Winnipeg have much more in common than Toronto and Winnipeg. When I'm in T.O. it feels like a very different place from Winnipeg but no so when I visit Chicago.

It probably isn't surprising that Winnipeg doubles for Chicago in a lot of films.

The Paris building is probably one of the best examples of the many Chicago style buildings you can find in our downtown.
http://io.uwinnipeg.ca/~cschulz1/w44.jpg

[Overground]

I think Vancouver's best fit for a twin would have to be the usual pick, Seattle. They are about the similar age, topography, climate, ferries, Asian influence(similar to other west coast cities). Their population centres are surrounded by water with a bridge connecting it to suburban communities towards the mountains. A major highway running south from the city and one heading east. And an airport close to the city centre to the south.

Visually I see similar characteristics between Vancouver and Honolulu in relation to their mass amount of 60s/70s condos(many look identical) with a close proximity of a mountainous, lush green backdrop, with regular misty clouds stuck to them.

[rapswin!]

I agree, Toronto may have more in common with Chicago geographically speaking but in terms of street car neighbourhoods and smaller 10 - 12 story buildings Winnipeg has way more in common with the Windy city.
In terms of size and population both Toronto and Chicago are very similar. But there also some buildings in Toronto that are very Chicago like

[matt602]

Hamilton and Pittsburgh. Both steel cities. Both feature a "mountain" through the city that separates parts of it (actually in the case of Pittsburgh I think it's just hilly portions that run through parts of the area). Detroit is also a close match, but only in the grit aspect. Pretty much any rustbelt city in the US matches Hamilton pretty well. Hamilton doesn't really have any Canadian matches I can think of.

[rapswin!]

:previous: Thats a good one

[AndrewJ3D]

I agree, Toronto may have more in common with Chicago geographically speaking but in terms of street car neighbourhoods and smaller 10 - 12 story buildings Winnipeg has way more in common with the Windy city.


:koko: :koko: :koko: Are you for real?

First of all Toronto has many.

Sister cities of Toronto are cities with which Toronto is twinned geographically and politically, with the goal of fostering human contact and cultural interchange.

Partnership Cities:

* Chicago, Illinois, United States
* Chongqing, China
* Frankfurt, Germany
* Milan, Italy
* São Paulo, Brazil

Friendship Cities:

* Amsterdam, Netherlands (Amsterdam Bridge, Toronto and a Toronto Bridge in Amsterdam mark the twin cities)
* Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
* Kiev, Ukraine
* Quito, Ecuador
* Sagamihara, Japan
* Warsaw, Poland


Second of all Toronto has a much larger stock of of pre and post war chicago industrial style buildings then Winnipeg ever had, even with the loss of so many we still out number the Peg. And ad to that we're situated on a great lake. I think when you were in Chicago your were trying to hard to feel like it was a mini Winnipeg. You must have a very active imagination.

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I look forward to you showing me how Portage and Main are like Chicago. Also, find me a person from Chicago that would agree their city feels like a larger Winnipeg.
:haha:

[AndrewJ3D]

PS- Toronto doubled for Chicago in Chicago!:cool:

[FFX-ME]

Aylmer and Paradise!
(even if Aylmer is WAAAAY better!)


:)

Are you implying that Ottawa is Paradise, lol

[salvius]

Nevertheless, I'd say Toronto and Chicago are an ill fitting match, even though I disagree with the comment of Toronto as the product of the 70s. Most of the inner city folk directly outside the CBD know and think of Toronto as a product of late 19th and early 20th century, and that's how it feels to me, anyway. Yes, Toronto lost a lot, but I do find it fascinating as to how often Toronto gets slagged for its lack of historic architecture when its prewar stock is very high.

At the same time, Chicago grew to be much larger during the same period, and I don't find the same type of built form in Chicago, which is still -- I believe -- denser centrally, and has a industrial ring around it, followed by some interesting neighbourhoods, followed by sprawl. It's not really Toronto's profile at all, and while I'd generally disagree with Chicago as the big Winnipeg, I cannot help but feel that, yes, it may share some similar characteristics.

Toronto, variously and depending on the neighbourhood reminds me of:

- Montreal
- Central and southern English towns
- Manchester
- Buffalo
- Detroit
- New York, outside of Manhattan
- Chicago
- Philadelphia
etc. etc.

Way too hard to pin it down in just one place -- even superficially -- and I can see why it would be a good place to shoot a movie. I've looked at some pictures of Melbourne, and it seems to have at least a superficial similarity to Toronto, but as I've never been, I cannot confirm if it is a good match.

[craner]

Not sure if you've been paying attention, but Denver also has a building boom right now -- so don't be so sure.. :)

Please elaborate on the current boom, I would be interested.
The "cities" section shows 9 u/c for Denver and 20 proposed, for Calgary it's 42 u/c and 63 proposed.
The two cities definitely have similar topography and skylines IMO.;)

[rapswin!]

Go to My City Photos- USA and Canada check the Chicago: Alas thread and you find some photos that would make you think that the pictures were taken from toronto

[CONative]

Please elaborate on the current boom, I would be interested.
The "cities" section shows 9 u/c for Denver and 20 proposed, for Calgary it's 42 u/c and 63 proposed.
The two cities definitely have similar topography and skylines IMO.;)

Trust me...Denver has more than 9 u/c. Denver forumers are not posting every little building throughout the city. The 9 posted are the only ones that the forumers are focusing on. There are even taller buildings in Denver that are u/c that are not posted. I would easily guess that we have at least 42 buildings u/c in the city.

[shappy]

Nevertheless, I'd say Toronto and Chicago are an ill fitting match, even though I disagree with the comment of Toronto as the product of the 70s. Most of the inner city folk directly outside the CBD know and think of Toronto as a product of late 19th and early 20th century, and that's how it feels to me, anyway. Yes, Toronto lost a lot, but I do find it fascinating as to how often Toronto gets slagged for its lack of historic architecture when its prewar stock is very high.

At the same time, Chicago grew to be much larger during the same period, and I don't find the same type of built form in Chicago, which is still -- I believe -- denser centrally, and has a industrial ring around it, followed by some interesting neighbourhoods, followed by sprawl. It's not really Toronto's profile at all, and while I'd generally disagree with Chicago as the big Winnipeg, I cannot help but feel that, yes, it may share some similar characteristics.

Toronto, variously and depending on the neighbourhood reminds me of:

- Montreal
- Central and southern English towns
- Manchester
- Buffalo
- Detroit
- New York, outside of Manhattan
- Chicago
- Philadelphia
etc. etc.

Way too hard to pin it down in just one place -- even superficially -- and I can see why it would be a good place to shoot a movie. I've looked at some pictures of Melbourne, and it seems to have at least a superficial similarity to Toronto, but as I've never been, I cannot confirm if it is a good match.

I don't see a great deal of Chicago either. Montreal and Chicago have some similarities as well. I would also add certain neighbourhoods in greater London like Tooting (SW) to your list.

[craner]

Trust me...Denver has more than 9 u/c. Denver forumers are not posting every little building throughout the city. The 9 posted are the only ones that the forumers are focusing on. There are even taller buildings in Denver that are u/c that are not posted. I would easily guess that we have at least 42 buildings u/c in the city.

Hey - thanks for the reply and the info. I look forward to checking things out in D,CO.
GO BRONCOS !!
:cheers:

[Nutterbug]

Vancouver - Sydney (for some reason)


Canada Place vaguely resembles the Opera House?

[vid]

They both seem cool but in reality are just tiny dense and interesting downtowns with tonnes and tonnes of suburbs full of foreign people. (Not that there is anything wrong with that.)

[shreddog]

Trust me...Denver has more than 9 u/c. Denver forumers are not posting every little building throughout the city. The 9 posted are the only ones that the forumers are focusing on. There are even taller buildings in Denver that are u/c that are not posted. I would easily guess that we have at least 42 buildings u/c in the city.

Don't want to get into a bun fight however according to commercial real estate experts CB Richard Ellis, it's not much of a comparison.

CBRE - who have offices in both cities and produce local office market reports using the same methodology - report the following as YE 2007 numbers:

Denver at 2.2 M sq feet of office space u/c across the entire metro.

Calgary at 11.1 M sq feet of office space u/c across the entire metro (7.1M in the CBD and 4M in the burbs).

Also of note, in Calgary vacancy/lease rates were 3.1%/$37 whereas in Denver it is 12.6%/$20.

Again, I am only reporting a source that appears to be neutral, but according to CBRE (http://gkc3.cbre.com/search/search.aspx?qs=), it's not even close in the commercial side.

Perhaps it's all residential?

[Nutterbug]

They both seem cool but in reality are just tiny dense and interesting downtowns with tonnes and tonnes of suburbs full of foreign people. (Not that there is anything wrong with that.)

And a lot of gay people...not that there is anything wrong with that. ;)

[CONative]

Don't want to get into a bun fight however according to commercial real estate experts CB Richard Ellis, it's not much of a comparison.

CBRE - who have offices in both cities and produce local office market reports using the same methodology - report the following as YE 2007 numbers:

Denver at 2.2 M sq feet of office space u/c across the entire metro.

Calgary at 11.1 M sq feet of office space u/c across the entire metro (7.1M in the CBD and 4M in the burbs).

Also of note, in Calgary vacancy/lease rates were 3.1%/$37 whereas in Denver it is 12.6%/$20.

Again, I am only reporting a source that appears to be neutral, but according to CBRE (http://gkc3.cbre.com/search/search.aspx?qs=), it's not even close in the commercial side.

Perhaps it's all residential?

Most of it is residential in downtown Denver; including the bigger ones...45 story Four Seasons Residence & Hotel, 41 story Spire residential tower, and 32 Story One Lincoln Park residential tower.....All are currently under construction. These are just a few. Commercial vacancy rates are a little lower than 10% in Denver citywide (much lower in downtown) -- so it's obvious CBRE is incorrect or the numbers are outdated. There are several Denver projects that are not mentioned in this forum - mostly because they aren't downtown (including airport hotels, Denver Tech area projects, Denver's Cherry Creek area projects and buildings, etc.).

[feepa]

Most of it is residential in downtown Denver; including the bigger ones...45 story Four Seasons Residence & Hotel, 41 story Spire residential tower, and 32 Story One Lincoln Park residential tower.....All are currently under construction. These are just a few. Commercial vacancy rates are a little lower than 10% in Denver citywide (much lower in downtown) -- so it's obvious CBRE is incorrect or the numbers are outdated. There are several Denver projects that are not mentioned in this forum - mostly because they aren't downtown (including airport hotels, Denver Tech area projects, Denver's Cherry Creek area projects and buildings, etc.).

I think what they are saying is that for as much as Denver is booming right now, Calgary is still having a much bigger boom. Especially if you look at it per capita

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