[SHOFEAR]

Another landmark for 104th
New project will add stores, restaurants and condos to city's growing warehouse district
Scott McKeen, The Edmonton Journal
Published: 2:00 am
The construction crane, once extinct in Edmonton's downtown habitat, is making a serious return.

Break out your binoculars, crane watchers.

I bring word today of a project so fresh off the drafting table that neither City Hall nor the Downtown Business Association knew of it.


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Developer Sundeep Cheema
Bruce Edwards, the Journal

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Font:****Two young, ambitious developers are poised to announce plans for an office and condo tower on downtown's soon-to-be signature street.

If all goes according to plan, the shops, lofts and eateries on trendy 104th Street will lose a surface parking lot at 102nd Avenue, but gain a 28-storey building, full of potential shoppers, diners and home buyers.

The moribund northwest corner of the intersection -- across 104th from The Boardwalk -- was recently sold by Greyhound in a closed-bid process to Urbia Developments, a partnership of two Edmonton men, Sundeep Cheema and Dean Parmar.

What the partners propose is a $250-million alliance of highrise office space and luxury condominiums. The condos are in the tower's four-storey brick pedestal, designed to meet the architectural guidelines for the historic, warehouse-style street.

Jim Taylor of the Downtown Business Association conceded Thursday that he hadn't heard of the proposal yet.

Taylor gave it a cautious thumbs-up. His skepticism? The site is considered contaminated because of its former use, by Greyhound.

Urbia's partners, however, aren't concerned. Their plans are to remove the contaminated soil during excavation and construction of at least three levels of underground parking.

So how can two relative unknowns hope to pull off a $250-million tower? First, they got the land at a good price, according to Cheema. Second, they say they're close to landing an anchor commercial tenant.

But the two also run Urbia Venture Capital. It raises pools of money for their developments, while offering high rates of return to investors.

The pair already have two projects on the go.

One is a $35-million, 120-unit condominium complex in Leduc, and a $120-million residential tower called SilkWind, in Victoria.

The proposed 104th St. project -- at the moment, known as Urbia Tower -- was designed by Edmonton's GMH Architects. The tower is a stepped-back vertical design clad in gold glass.

The warehouse-style pedestal will contain six executive condos on the fourth floor and 18 two-storey "townhouses" on the second and third floors.

Each residential unit will have two balconies -- one facing the street or alley, the second overlooking an inner garden courtyard of trees and grass. The courtyard will be enclosed, giving residents a green vista year round.

Below the residential units, at street level, will be space for sidewalk stores or restaurants, to add to 104th Street's growing mix of places to shop, browse, tipple or dine.

Mayor Mandel has talked about shutting off traffic on 104th, to make it the downtown strolling street. Traffic is already limited on the stretch, what with all the construction in the area.

A Sobeys store is being built at 104th St. and Jasper Avenue. Just north on 104th Street are the twin Icon condominium towers, the first of which is also under construction.



As well, two full blocks of 104th Street are closed to traffic every Saturday in spring, summer and fall for the downtown farmer's market.

Taylor says office space is becoming tight in the hot economy, even with Epcor's recently announced plans for a tower on the Station Lands.

On the residential side, there are a number of highrise condo buildings either under construction or in the works downtown. But with the population boom -- and with boomers retiring -- developers remain confident of a continuing wave of new downtown residents.


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Font:****At 27, Cheema seems a bit young to be involved with $250-million projects. But he says he learned at the knee of his father, a financial planner.

Cheema says if everything goes as planned, construction could begin within the next 12 months. The biggest hurdle is getting work done within the constraints of a boom-time labour shortage.

But both Cheema and Parmar say the conditions are right for a new office tower in downtown Edmonton, especially on 104th Street.

"We still see Edmonton's downtown as an untapped market," Cheema said. "There's still room for considerable growth here and it's very affordable, compared to Calgary, Vancouver or Toronto."

In other words, keep watching for more cranes. A flock would be nice.

smckeen@thejournal.canwest.com

[Bigtime]

Break out your binoculars, crane watchers.

Did you guys in Edmonton need a magnifying glass before to spot cranes? I kid I kid! :D

The condos are in the tower's four-storey brick pedestal, designed to meet the architectural guidelines for the historic, warehouse-style street.

How do you Edmonton folks feel about the faux historic brick facade that we have taken to calling 'Stampitecture' down here?

The tower is a stepped-back vertical design clad in gold glass.

Gold glass eh? I wonder if it will look like the Husky towers here in Calgary, how would that fit in with the look of the street as it is?

So when do we see some renderings? I'm very curious to see the design, especially the courtyard area that they were talking about every townhome unit facing into as well.

I don't understand while the article makes a big deal of the contamination on the site, same situation as Waterfront in Calgary. Just clean it up first and then start digging, no problem.

[newfangled]

How do you Edmonton folks feel about the faux historic brick facade that we have taken to calling 'Stampitecture' down here?


Some of us have...other names for it. :)

Apparently there's a rendering of this in the print edition? Anyone got a scanner?

[tony0911]

Clean simple design, get rid of the gold glass. Where are they going to get the tenant from? That alot of office space to lease.

[Jasper and one o nin]

GMH Architects ?????????
That HAS to say something about this project

[240glt]

LOVE the gold glass & the stepped design, podeum looks good, the swoopy overhangs and roof treatment have GOT to go.

[feepa]

this thread is useless w/o renderings. I demand renderings, give us the renderings, don't make me spend a dollar

[newfangled]

Coming soon on TLC:

You've laughed along with the hopeful property moguls of Flip that House!

And now it's time for you to upgrade to TLC's newest hit show - Redevelop that Contaminated Site!

Will George and Matilda from Austin fulfill their dreams of turning an abandoned California naval base into a hotel/semi-conductor facilty/casino?

Tune in to find out - only on TLC

Er...yeah.

These guys might actually know what they're doing (see Silkwind). But the article has kindof a TLC-vibe going on.

[Jasper and one o nin]

http://www.silkwindwestshore.ca/floorplans.html
this is their victoria development

[Coldrsx]

fucking BRUTAL!

[tony0911]

Tell us how you really feel Ian.

[Coldrsx]

Welcome to 1981.......if this gets built im not moving back after school.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x164/coldrsx/urbiatowerpodium.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x164/coldrsx/urbiatower.jpg

[Bigtime]

Is it just me or does the tower portion appear to not have any balconies?

I'd like to see some better renderings, can't really make out what the 'gob' is up on the roof!

The shape of the tower is interesting, but I'm not sold on the gold glass.

[240glt]

But the article has kindof a TLC-vibe going on

Seems like every article in the Journal dealing with downtown construction & revitalization has some wierd spin or angle to it. Maybe they're just not used to having to write such articles.

[Coldrsx]

Is it just me or does the tower portion appear to not have any balconies?

I'd like to see some better renderings, can't really make out what the 'gob' is up on the roof!

The shape of the tower is interesting, but I'm not sold on the gold glass.


GOB = some massive concrete canopy with "URBIA" in what looks like 30' high letters.

[Coldrsx]

better pic from C2E

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg196/spillphoto/Urbiasmaller.jpg

[newfangled]

Seems like every article in the Journal dealing with downtown construction & revitalization has some wierd spin or angle to it. Maybe they're just not used to having to write such articles.

Their 118ave articles have all been really good, though. Maybe we just need to feed them whatever's in the coffee at the Carrot Cafe. :)

[TimB09]

I like it aside from the gold glass. Get rid of that and it will look a lot better in my opinion.

[Coldrsx]

guys...this is the kind of design level we should be seeing here...not the above POS:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x164/coldrsx/101Second.jpg

[Coldrsx]

Glad to see Scotia Place III finally get built;)

[Mikemike]

Hmmmmmmm.

The podium is not bad. Looks like decent articulation, good materials, and and a modern take, not simply a 'heritage' copy. I also appreciate the break between the condo/red and commercial/grey bases. Assuming all the base is either street fronting retail or entrances. The base base design is good. I don't like the swoops, though. They don't work on this otherwise angular building.

The tower is 1981. I hate the color, and the shpe doesn't do it for me either.

The top is indescribably hideous.

[CorporateWhore]

This is horrible, this project. How anyone can see anything positive in this design is beyond me. Are forumers really that desperate to build anything? I was starting to think the city was turning the corner when it came to design, but apparently it just veered off a cliff into a canyon of shit.

[Coldrsx]

This is horrible, this project. How anyone can see anything positive in this design is beyond me. Are forumers really that desperate to build anything? I was starting to think the city was turning the corner when it came to design, but apparently it just veered off a cliff into a canyon of shit.


not all of us are...

the architects office is within 50' of my condo...i should go say hi

[noodlenoodle]

Make sure you take your welcoming brick!

[TimB09]

This is horrible, this project. How anyone can see anything positive in this design is beyond me. Are forumers really that desperate to build anything? I was starting to think the city was turning the corner when it came to design, but apparently it just veered off a cliff into a canyon of shit.

This hasn't even gone in front of the EDC yet. Nothing is approved and things can be changed. I admit it's not the best looking thing but I've seen a lot worse.

[Coldrsx]

This hasn't even gone in front of the EDC yet. Nothing is approved and things can be changed. I admit it's not the best looking thing but I've seen a lot worse.

is Ironwood involved???:haha:

[Bigtime]

This is horrible, this project. How anyone can see anything positive in this design is beyond me. Are forumers really that desperate to build anything? I was starting to think the city was turning the corner when it came to design, but apparently it just veered off a cliff into a canyon of shit.

Damn Corporate you make me laugh out loud at work with these classic comments!

"A canyon of shit"? Awesome.

I absolutely hate that top section, who the hell would think that would look good anywhere? It's like the Mustard Seed here being obsessed with having "The Seed" put up on top of their proposed building, why?!

[Coldrsx]

oh and i dont care if they havent gone to EDC...this is such an amateur...amateur everythign.

i could pull a better design from my...

[240glt]

guys...this is the kind of design level we should be seeing here...not the above POS:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x164/coldrsx/101Second.jpg


Bah. that's got punched out windows. It's crap.


Thinking back, wasn't there a tower in the "never built" file that looks almost identical to the Urbia ?

The rendering quality is the same as Ironwoods' beer can... It's almost cartoonish. Can someone provide an example of a similar scale GMH product that is already built ?

[Coldrsx]

Make sure you take your welcoming brick!

:haha:

[Ruckus]

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x164/coldrsx/urbiatower.jpg

It's okay for an initial rendering (barely), but I would have a hard time approving it as a final design.

I dislike the gold glass, and the roof and podium elements seem so disconnected from the tower (mostly due to arrangement and color choice).

I am thinking they had two completely different towers as ideal types, used the mid section (gold glass) from one tower, and borrowed the podium and roof designs from another tower, viola, magnificent "Urbia". :haha:

I hope they intend to heavily refine the final design, if not, a formal proposal to the city is a waste of resources.

Edmonton deserves much better.

[giallo]

The colour is awful, the podium isn't cohesive; rough and uneven, and the top is absolutely appalling. I wouldn't show this to my friends if I designed it, and I'm not even an amateur. It takes some kind of balls to send this one out for the world to see.

Corporate Whore and Coldrsx hit the nail on the head with this one.

Why must Edmonton get shafted so?

[Coldrsx]

^it likes the shaft

[Coldrsx]

interestingly enough, this design comes on the day i mail off my applications for admittance into the MArch program.

[Hardhatdan]

Holy fuck, if that is the initial concept do they have ALOT of work today.

That thing is fucking hideous, I can't drink that thing pretty.

[newfangled]

Does anyone know how the auction went for this site? Were there multiple bid?

Because this:

So how can two relative unknowns hope to pull off a $250-million tower? First, they got the land at a good price, according to Cheema. Second, they say they're close to landing an anchor commercial tenant.

is still the key to this CF.

[Coldrsx]

Does anyone know how the auction went for this site? Were there multiple bid?

Because this:



is still the key to this CF.



i was asked by a local developer to investigate this sale....it was closed bid with no Phase I or II released prior to acceptance.

[superpirate25]

Edmonton, why must you frustrate me so? Why must the people in this city who have the opportunity to build on this scale be so clueless?

If you were given the chance to create a building of this magnitude, would you not put SOME effort into it? Would you not want to do the best for yourself and the city and produce something truly great? Are these people so out of touch that they believe this is something even slightly worthy of building? Honestly, who hires these architects? Is there no other options?

Sorry, just the shaft getting to me again.

[newfangled]

i was asked by a local developer to investigate this sale....it was closed bid with no Phase I or II released prior to acceptance.

Yeah, I'm just curious how much of a "winner's curse" these guys bought into.

That, and the mysterious anchor tenant who would set up shop a good couple of blocks away from where the action is. (hey, maybe it's EPCOR! :))

[Jasper and one o nin]

Dont worry, this will NOT get built. These developers will not be building anything on this site.
Its all about raising the profile of the site
If they were seriously considering constructing a building, they would be talking to an architecture firm with experience with at least one high rise office. GMH is a drafting company experienced at designing cookie cutter walk up apartment buildings. That is all they pretty much do. I cant imagine them being responsible for a 28 storey office tower.
Its not happening

[Kevin_foster]

THIS IS WHERE EDC SAVES OUR CITY

yaaaay EDC!! Go Get EM Tiger!!

Please, non-edmontonians, recognize that the EDC has been flexing their muscle as of late; and this project probably won't make it - in it's current form.

[CorporateWhore]

I admit it's not the best looking thing but I've seen a lot worse.

That's exactly the type of thinking that allows the continuation of mediocrity. Of course there are worse things out there, but just because it's not a shanty made of donkey feces, it doesn't make it ok. Come on Edmonton, you can do better than this, just say no. EDC needs to step up to the plate.

[Kevin_foster]

Please, non-Edmontonians (and Edmontonians new to this forum) know that the EDC has been flexing it's muscle more and more as of late - so please take a deep breath and find some peace in knowing that it probably will not pass in its current form.

That is, completely based on my faith in the EDC. Which, right now, is quite high.

This lot was probably very, very, expensive. Why the developer would want.... this...is beyond me. It would be the equivalent to someone buying a 1,000,000 lot and building a frame-garage-in-the-front house on it.

If I was the investor in this property, I would want nothing but the best - even if it costs more up front. Reasons?
- Longevity and stature of having a prime building will ultimately provide more income to me in the end
- ...as it becomes a sustainable source of income over a longer period of time.
- up the face value of my company; as a "portfolio" is everything.
- be a leader in the field I work in
- ability to charge more psf (perhaps) given the market

[Coldrsx]

^now now...that's not Edmonton thinking...

[newfangled]

Jasper's totally right though. I was saying Flip that House, but it's really Flip that Contaminated Site. This is just a joke that McKeen fell for. I guess I should be happy that the Journal's finally doing some non-critical boosterism?

[Western Spaghetti]

It's terrible looking. Better suited for Las Vegas.

[WhipperSnapper]

ignoring the design ...

WTF? offices above and condos below ... are these guys fuckin' idiots?

[Coldrsx]

ignoring the design ...

WTF? offices above and condos below ... are these guys fuckin' idiots?

i think we can all agree on this one...YES!

[KrisYYC]

It's terrible looking. Better suited for Las Vegas.

Funny, I was going to say the same thing about the thing at the top of the building and the giant "URBIA" text. Looks so 1960's Las Vegas.

[Surrealplaces]

This looks like a pretty preliminary design, I wouldn't be surprised to see changes. The design reminds me of the original Harris Homburg design in Calgary which was terrible. They redesigned it to a pretty decent looking tower.

Edit: I tried to dig up an old rendering of the Harris Homburg project, but couldn't find one.

[TimB09]

That's exactly the type of thinking that allows the continuation of mediocrity. Of course there are worse things out there, but just because it's not a shanty made of donkey feces, it doesn't make it ok. Come on Edmonton, you can do better than this, just say no. EDC needs to step up to the plate.

Not all Edmontonians care about what buildings being built look like. This group of guys and gals in here do because a lot of them want to see this city become more attarctive. And the fact we now have the EDC on board as well is going to do wonder for this city.

And I can think anyway I want. You have no right to come in here and tell me my thinking is wrong.

[240glt]

^ That's the thing about architecture... it's so very subjective, much more so than other aspects of design & construction.

After digesting this for the morning.... I still like the tower, but the valances and roof are hideous, and the drawing doesn't make sense with reference to what's said in the article.

I agree with others that this is a ploy to raise the profile of the site in order to flip it. Doubtful that this will be built, and if it does, it will change significantly

[Coldrsx]

^240...come on now...coming from a guy with a wicked car style, this would be saying the aztec is cool.

[Kevin_foster]

I find this part of the article Ironic:
"The proposed 104th St. project -- at the moment, known as Urbia Tower -- was designed by Edmonton's GMH Architects. The tower is a stepped-back vertical design clad in gold glass."

It's very "stepped back".

[Coldrsx]

Urbia Developments
L100, 10190 104 street, Edmonton, Alberta T5J 1A7

http://www.urbia.ca/

[Surrealplaces]

Glad to see Scotia Place III finally get built;)

:haha: I thought that looked familiar.

[Surrealplaces]

Urbia Developments
L100, 10190 104 street, Edmonton, Alberta T5J 1A7

http://www.urbia.ca/

I see you've got the website of the developers. Time for an e-mail sending campaign. :)

[CanadianCentaur]

I seriously hope this proposal meets the same fate as DB Cooper landing in a Rottweiler farm!

There isn't very much redeeming of this thing. :yuck:

[Deepstar]

Ouch! This is one fugly building. It can't possibly be a serious design. It must just be a conceptual drawing.

[JAH]

This building belongs in Calgary cuz it looks like its wearing a cowboy hat

[The Chemist]

This building belongs in Calgary cuz it looks like its wearing a cowboy hat

We've long since moved past this kind of shite in Calgary.

As they say here in China - 哎呀！Ai Ya！ Or to paraphrase Samir from Office Space, "This building, it is horrible." :D

[JAH]

AI YAAAAAAAA (with the head shake)... haha yes thats a classic Asian phrase.

[CanadianCentaur]

Dont worry, this will NOT get built. These developers will not be building anything on this site.
Its all about raising the profile of the site
If they were seriously considering constructing a building, they would be talking to an architecture firm with experience with at least one high rise office. GMH is a drafting company experienced at designing cookie cutter walk up apartment buildings. That is all they pretty much do. I cant imagine them being responsible for a 28 storey office tower.
Its not happening

You better hope you're right on this one!!!

[RWin]

It's terrible looking. Better suited for Las Vegas.

Thats what we all said about Homburg-Harris in Calgary a couple of years back. I think generally speaking we all think its good now. Of course the colours are different. So as has been pointed out already, this may not be the final design.

[Stephen Ave]

Hmm..1980 is calling and they want their building back.

I doubt this thing will get built as is in the rendering.

[rapid_business]

welll..... anyone want to send them a fax showing your displeasure?

I kid. Here is hoping this design never sees the light of day. And here is hoping the "flip this lot" model is what they are going for, and we see a better owner/design in the end.

[newfangled]

So they obviously haven't done a Phase II ESA yet. Presumably these guys would get one done before the big flip? Did Greyhound have one that they just weren't making available until after the sale?

[big W]

I actually would love another gold tower but in the shade of the RBC building in Toronto as I love that building. However this looks like a cheap knock off of that one. It needs work, but there is potential in the tower portion, the base is hideous as far as I am concerned. Then the issue with the office on top and condo's on the bottom is stupid, but I am sure they will get straightened out. It will go through some changes and if it gets built it will hopefully look decent. I am thinking the EDC does to this thing what it did to Ironwood. Toss it, but these guys will fix it and we should get something decent. Lets all hope.

[JAH]

Has Icon 1 topped out yet?

[JAH]

sorry mang, wrong thread

[CMD UW]

Is it just me or does the tower portion appear to not have any balconies?

I'd like to see some better renderings, can't really make out what the 'gob' is up on the roof!

The shape of the tower is interesting, but I'm not sold on the gold glass.Bigtime, can we borrow some of your nukes?

[Bigtime]

I was going to suggest that strategy for you!

[Coldrsx]

Has Icon 1 topped out yet?

cold has slowed it...floor 27 i believe.

[Coldrsx]

So they obviously haven't done a Phase II ESA yet. Presumably these guys would get one done before the big flip? Did Greyhound have one that they just weren't making available until after the sale?

there was a full environment (I and II) done to my knowledge but was not disclosed until sale.

[Kevin_foster]

Icon's height looks sexy.

Icon 2's height will look even better.

It's refreshing to look up sometimes :)

[newfangled]

there was a full environment (I and II) done to my knowledge but was not disclosed until sale.

Ah. That's kindof asshat-y. Stupid Greyhound. Maybe we could have gotten a real developer, otherwise.

Speaking of stupid Greyhound (and veering wildly offtopic) has anyone else noticed that Greyhound is using 103Ave as their personal staging area for their courier fleet? Every day there is a lineup of their trucks backed-up along the avenue which reduces traffic to one lane. If it wasn't so cold I'd take a picture.

[Xelebes]

The only issue I have with it - and it's a big one - is the damned URBIA ensign on top. That's gotta go.

[mick]

Fifty's car lot roof motif + 80s tower = utter crap!

[Hardhatdan]

How is this site even being considered for a single tower in the first place?

I see 2 residential buildings on common podium there...not a terrible terrible office tower.

I can barely read this thread, I hate this building so much.

Fuck you GMH, fuck you with vigour.

[CorporateWhore]

And I can think anyway I want. You have no right to come in here and tell me my thinking is wrong.

Sorry dude, this isnt self-esteem club. With this building, I'm pretty sure i have the right to mock anyone who likes it. It's that bad.

[Kevin_foster]

How is this site even being considered for a single tower in the first place?

I see 2 residential buildings on common podium there...not a terrible terrible office tower.

I can barely read this thread, I hate this building so much.

Fuck you GMH, fuck you with vigour.

lol

[tony0911]

How much of a projects design is taken from what the developer wants and how much is the architects influence?

[S_B_Russell]

This building makes me want to take a shit. It looks like something Donald Trump would have built in the 80s.

[Mikemike]

Please, everyone, stop dissing the donald. I's take trump world tower from NEw York over anything built in edmonton since 1930.

[scumtoes]

This building makes me want to take a shit. It looks like something Donald Trump would have built in the 80s.

ditto. i'm really starting to get pissed at the shit being built/proposed in this city.

i hope this doesn't get approved.

i've been an edmonton forumer on this board since the damn near beginning and i have to see ONE tower proposal/final product that has wowed me.

[JAH]

This building makes me want to take a shit.

Well the next time you're constipated...

[S_B_Russell]

^ Ha! I'll keep a copy in my bathroom!

[craner]

THIS IS WHERE EDC SAVES OUR CITY

yaaaay EDC!! Go Get EM Tiger!!

Please, non-edmontonians, recognize that the EDC has been flexing their muscle as of late; and this project probably won't make it - in it's current form.

I'm simply astounded a proposal like this makes it this far without being some kind of sick joke, EDC shouldn't even have to waste their time on this crap. The designers couldn't be this bad unless they were truly trying to be bad. Are they living in some kind of "canyon of shit" ? (to quote CorporateWhore). I just don't get it, but it seems to keep happening with depressing regularity.
Come On - at least give us mediocre.:hell:

[Kevin_foster]

^ Im sure EDC will spend 3 minutes on this baby.

i hope.

[Coldrsx]

How much of a projects design is taken from what the developer wants and how much is the architects influence?

depends...generally the developer has an idea/style in his mind and then the architect brings it to reality.

however, many times the architect has full initial direction and then it is brought back to realty by the developer.

in this case however, they just type "pathetic" in google and see what images come up.

[Shodan]

better pic from C2E

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg196/spillphoto/Urbiasmaller.jpg

Gold glass, huh? Hmmmm........Scotia Place?

http://www.cisp.gc.ca/images/EdmontonScotiaPlace.jpg
From Foreign Affairs & International Trade Canada

[Coldrsx]

hey POS, how about something along these lines:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7263/sftower8wx0.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4362/577954000ll0.jpg

even lesser buildings like this kick your design to the curb:

http://beyonddc.com/images/1812nMoore.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/phillytrax/image/39783330.jpg

[Edmonchuck]

I'm simply astounded a proposal like this makes it this far without being some kind of sick joke, EDC shouldn't even have to waste their time on this crap.


It won't make it that far...

[Coldrsx]

my proposal for the site

http://i27.tinypic.com/nly25u.jpg

[Kevin_foster]

^
Looks like a PS3

:P

[Coldrsx]

^PS3 inspired:>

[Edmonchuck]

Sweet! I like the concept, PS3 or not.

[Aylmer]

Welcome to 1981.......if this gets built im not moving back after school.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x164/coldrsx/urbiatowerpodium.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x164/coldrsx/urbiatower.jpg

I can't see the Jetsons on the top...

[sync]

has this hog been killed yet?

[noodlenoodle]

Goes up for slaughter/review March 3.