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bob1954
Mar 7, 2009, 6:20 AM
Who cares, when we've got Toronto pix to look at!

Bigtime
Mar 7, 2009, 3:32 PM
Some housekeeping on the Calgary buildings on this list:

11. Centennial Place 176.0 Meters (Calgary)
12. Jamison Place 170 Meters (Calgary)
14. ArriVa 42 - 163 Meters (Calgary)
26. Astoria on Tenth 130 Meters (Calgary) Most likely on hold, no action for a long time on the site.
31. Five West East Tower 124 Meters (Calgary)Construction finished, now occupied.

Jimby
Mar 9, 2009, 3:21 PM
Jamieson Place

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3334/3336500119_035136ed90_b.jpg


JP + bp

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3360/3337301634_1d4356b49a_b.jpg


JP winter garden

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3366/3336424657_de655559a6_b.jpg


Centennial Place 1 & 2


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3364/3336380091_37d77de152_b.jpg

caltrane74
Mar 9, 2009, 4:09 PM
Office tower construction is best!

caltrane74
Mar 9, 2009, 4:33 PM
Cityplace from greenleaf at www.urbantoronto.ca

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3329276239_a767658ab7_b.jpg

Coldrsx
Mar 9, 2009, 4:55 PM
^so bland... boring. Even though i am a huge fan of curtain wall and point towers, mix it up yo.

caltrane74
Mar 9, 2009, 6:33 PM
Signature will mix it up.....whenever it gets built.

I think the idea was to have a pretty static bunch of towers, to then highlight the really tall and spectacular tower.

Coldrsx
Mar 9, 2009, 6:37 PM
^terrible philosophy.

WhipperSnapper
Mar 9, 2009, 6:53 PM
You'd need a solid concrete wall to mix it up from the wash out vantage and, in that case, I'd rather keep the elliptical Signature tower once planned

Office tower construction is best!

IMO, A turd is a turd regardless of use and Jamieson stinks pretty badly already.

Coldrsx
Mar 9, 2009, 6:55 PM
how about some color or some black though..... this grey is what makes me hate parts of van.

wild wild west
Mar 9, 2009, 7:58 PM
IMO, A turd is a turd regardless of use and Jamieson stinks pretty badly already.


Not a fan of the two-tone reflective glass on the tower portion of Jamieson, but the winter garden holds some promise IMO.

On the other hand, I am loving Centennial thus far...you win some, you lose some I guess.

WhipperSnapper
Mar 9, 2009, 8:27 PM
Centennial looks good although it could be a lot better with even more styles of curtainwall thrown into the mix. Y'know the Gibbs Gage motto, "When in doubt, throw some more at it!"





I've yet to see Jamieson in real time , so yeah, maybe I'm tasting a little of my big toe right now.

wild wild west
Mar 9, 2009, 8:45 PM
Haha! For all they can come up with some real crap (Livingston), Gibbs Gage is capable of making a truly great building - Centrium is almost universally loved.

giallo
Mar 10, 2009, 1:32 AM
Centennial Place is looking very nice. I like it a lot already. Clean and simple.
I can't get over the racing stripes on JP though. The podium is pretty awkward as well. I'll wait until it's finished before I judge, but it ain't looking good.

wild wild west
Mar 10, 2009, 2:00 AM
Yeah, the stripes aren't working for me either. I wish they'd gone with 2 more similar colours of glass - or, better yet, one (less reflective) colour.

craner
Mar 10, 2009, 5:07 AM
Centennial Place 1 & 2


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3364/3336380091_37d77de152_b.jpg

I'm lovin' the west face of Centenial.

craner
Mar 10, 2009, 5:08 AM
Cityplace from greenleaf at www.urbantoronto.ca

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3329276239_a767658ab7_b.jpg

Gotta love the height of these suckers even if they are somewhat blah.

bob1954
Mar 10, 2009, 5:17 AM
Jamison Place is gonna be pretty good IMO, at 50 floors I think it would be one of the most impressive office buildings in N. America! Centennial should have been one 55-60 story building instead of two, (damn shadow nazis)! I'm affraid Calgary missed the best opportunity for 2-3 800' + for many years. I could be wrong, but it's gonna be very tough to get finnancing even when the economies of NA and the world start growing again!!

WhipperSnapper
Mar 10, 2009, 4:20 PM
Jamison Place is gonna be pretty good IMO, at 50 floors I think it would be one of the most impressive office buildings in N. America!

Okay.

IMO, The tower will never reach 50 storeys or ever be consider impressive. (in even Calgary alone)


I'm very keen on how the racing stripes will translate onto the spire.

caltrane74
Mar 10, 2009, 7:31 PM
very good goodlookin'!!

hehe...

"racing stripes"

Kevin_foster
Mar 10, 2009, 8:22 PM
How tall is Centennial place going to be?

Jimby
Mar 10, 2009, 8:29 PM
How tall is Centennial place going to be?

545 FT - 41 FLOORS | 330 FT - 23 FLOORS

francely57
Mar 11, 2009, 4:16 AM
Who cares, when we've got Toronto pix to look at!

Seriously, Toronto is a monster! more pics are always welcome!
Vancouver and Calgary construction is really interesting to watch too.

What's the problem with Jamieson Place??? Montreal would gladly grab it, it's sooo much better than having parking lots next to our most prestigious towers (PVM, 1250 RL)

caltrane74
Mar 11, 2009, 12:14 PM
Casa and BSN from urbandreamer at UT

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8590/dsc00844a.jpg

wild wild west
Mar 11, 2009, 2:52 PM
What's the problem with Jamieson Place??? Montreal would gladly grab it, it's sooo much better than having parking lots next to our most prestigious towers (PVM, 1250 RL)

My gripe is with the glazing - too reflective, and don't care for the contrast in the two tones. Maybe it will look better in the summer when it reflects the greenery? Otherwise, it's a bit dated design-wise

(reminds me of our TD Tower which was built in 1991!) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TD_Canada_Trust_Tower,_Calgary

...but I'd be fine with it if it had more transparent glazing. Still, you're right - better than a parking lot, and I do not mean to complain about a 560-footer.

I think Jamieson will look good at night though, when the "racing stripes" will actually serve a purpose - namely accommodating those LED's that will run the full height of the building. In fact the night-time rendering looks promising:

http://www.jamiesonplace.com/

WhipperSnapper
Mar 11, 2009, 3:27 PM
What's the problem with Jamieson Place??? Montreal would gladly grab it, it's sooo much better than having parking lots next to our most prestigious towers (PVM, 1250 RL)

You can afford to be picky when you have so much better going up. I do hate parking lots however, I still sometimes rather keep the parking lot for just the chance of a better proposal.

for instance, I'd rather a parking lot for the next 20 years than this http://www.tobuilt.ca/php/tobuildings_more.php?search_fd0=1537 for the next one hundred

caltrane74
Mar 11, 2009, 4:37 PM
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q438/Solaris_Metrogate/IMG_3496.jpg

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q438/Solaris_Metrogate/IMG_3497.jpg

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q438/Solaris_Metrogate/IMG_3498.jpg

Update on Telus from Solaris at UT

caltrane74
Mar 12, 2009, 12:54 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3299/3331847068_4ff87b847a_o.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/setinhelvetica/3331847068/sizes/o/


In this photo you can see the MLS towers, Telus and Pinnacle Tower (Success)

caltrane74
Mar 13, 2009, 12:25 PM
Bad Boyz in da House!!!!!!

picture from Urbandreamer at UT

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2739/dsc01058j.jpg

Under Construction in this picture

Ritz
MLSE 1
MLSE 2
Telus
RBC
Success
Luna

And about 13 cranes!!!!

sammo
Mar 13, 2009, 12:42 PM
:previous:

I love our CN Tower but so tall, it makes everything around it look so short -like the 50 storey RBC or Success.

caltrane74
Mar 13, 2009, 1:26 PM
Yea, its huge. But if gives our skyline edge. If we didn't have it we would look just like any other city.

caltrane74
Mar 13, 2009, 2:08 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3440/3350554212_29692ab14f_b.jpg

from AmerRao at www.flickr.com

West Harbour City Development

vegeta_skyline
Mar 13, 2009, 10:53 PM
Love it!
As much as a person can love a building :D

P Unit
Mar 13, 2009, 11:22 PM
I have to say, as gaudy as that building will probably end up being, a big chunky wedding cake of a tower will be a welcome departure from the endless wall of glass going up along the Gardiner...

caltrane74
Mar 14, 2009, 3:57 PM
By the time these are finished, you won't be seeing much of Telus, from the lake.



http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa250/torontovibe/2March13th-09001.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa250/torontovibe/3March13th-09004.jpg

Torontovibe at UT posting photos of MLS

caltrane74
Mar 14, 2009, 5:49 PM
BEFORE

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2025/2441759521_6e5251f3e2_o.jpg
wyliepoon at UT


AFTER

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/194/3264195999_4f034dfaa3_b.jpg
from CSW2424 at UT

Bigtime
Mar 14, 2009, 6:26 PM
I just took a walk around the arriVa 42 site. At all entrances there is a notice on the fencing from Torode Residential stating that the project is on hold.

vanman
Mar 14, 2009, 10:30 PM
Ouch! That really sucks. The next phase of Arriva would've been the tallest residential in Calgary correct?

LeftCoaster
Mar 14, 2009, 11:13 PM
^ Tallest west of TO if i am not mistaken.

Quite lame though. At least work has progressed enough that it will likely eventually be finished

caltrane74
Mar 15, 2009, 3:48 PM
March 14

From York north of Front MLS is visible to the right of Telus.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3545/3355272486_eb2ae6931a_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3596/3355272494_694f9df7aa_b.jpg

MLS and Telus

photos from current at www.urbantoronto.ca

wonderful photo of the base of Murano from confusion at www.urbantoronto.ca

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3604/3356981296_a7e0027cc1_o.jpg

Bigtime
Mar 15, 2009, 4:27 PM
Ouch! That really sucks. The next phase of Arriva would've been the tallest residential in Calgary correct?

It would have been the tallest residential tower in Alberta, that spot is currently held by arriVa tower 1.

caltrane74
Mar 15, 2009, 5:15 PM
Parada and Luna developments at Cityplace

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3622/3355306928_1011890b66_b.jpg


from current at www.urbantoronto.ca

caltrane74
Mar 15, 2009, 6:13 PM
More Luna Vista

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii181/marcus_a_j/March%2014%202009/DSC03935.jpg

from marcus a j. at www.urbantoronto.ca

vanman
Mar 15, 2009, 11:29 PM
It would have been the tallest residential tower in Alberta, that spot is currently held by arriVa tower 1.

Well it's only on hold and there is probably a very real chance that it will be built once market conditions improve.

On a side note I gotta say it's crazy how this forum has fostered in me a sense of national pride. Back when I first joined this site I would have hated on Calgary or Toronto but now the opposite is true. I find myself defending the other parts of Canada that I haven't even been to to friends/family.

francely57
Mar 15, 2009, 11:55 PM
On a side note I gotta say it's crazy how this forum has fostered in me a sense of national pride. Back when I first joined this site I would have hated on Calgary or Toronto but now the opposite is true. I find myself defending the other parts of Canada that I haven't even been to to friends/family.

Haha, I guess it comes from discussing with people who really love/know their own cities, instead of sticking with old stereotypes.

You wouldn't believe how many times I've heard Montrealers describing the "fugly giant redneck suburb" that is Calgary...
After hearing things like that, here I see Calgarians posting nice pics and showing actual facts, giving a more balanced view.

caltrane74
Mar 16, 2009, 12:10 AM
More MLS from marcus a j at www.urbantoronto.ca

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii181/marcus_a_j/March%2014%202009/DSC03981.jpg

This project is huge!! - These towers will be extremely tall skyscrapers!!

caltrane74
Mar 16, 2009, 12:33 AM
For those that have never taken a drive on the gardiner, here is what it feels like to drive down a road with skyscrapers blocking you in on both sides....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HInVkLhxqKc


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Casaguy at UT took this picture of Pinnacle Center & Casa

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z133/markus919/2009/DSCN4426.jpg

Success Tower topped out at a mindblowing 54 storeys!!!!

http://s194.photobucket.com/albums/z133/markus919/2009/DSCN4379.jpg

Casa has 11 More floors to go until it tops out at an astonishing 47 Storeys!!

caltrane74
Mar 16, 2009, 12:28 PM
casaguy at UT - Luna

http://s194.photobucket.com/albums/z133/markus919/2009/DSCN4419.jpg

Bigtime
Mar 16, 2009, 1:57 PM
Well it's only on hold and there is probably a very real chance that it will be built once market conditions improve.

On a side note I gotta say it's crazy how this forum has fostered in me a sense of national pride. Back when I first joined this site I would have hated on Calgary or Toronto but now the opposite is true. I find myself defending the other parts of Canada that I haven't even been to to friends/family.

Haha, I guess it comes from discussing with people who really love/know their own cities, instead of sticking with old stereotypes.

You wouldn't believe how many times I've heard Montrealers describing the "fugly giant redneck suburb" that is Calgary...
After hearing things like that, here I see Calgarians posting nice pics and showing actual facts, giving a more balanced view.

To see this love in the Canada section is mindblowing!
Perhaps not as mindblowing as Success at 54 stories though! It just bums me out that Calgary's tallest residential at 43 stories just got put on hold!

Jimby
Mar 16, 2009, 2:45 PM
Haha, I guess it comes from discussing with people who really love/know their own cities, instead of sticking with old stereotypes.

You wouldn't believe how many times I've heard Montrealers describing the "fugly giant redneck suburb" that is Calgary...
After hearing things like that, here I see Calgarians posting nice pics and showing actual facts, giving a more balanced view.

Calgary isn't "giant"! :haha:

caltrane74
Mar 16, 2009, 2:53 PM
from dt-Toronto-geek at UT

http://s233.photobucket.com/albums/ee140/laserboy_TO/Murano_March15-09.jpg

caltrane74
Mar 16, 2009, 7:58 PM
For those of you getting sick of all this glass....

..something different.

http://s194.photobucket.com/albums/z133/markus919/2009/DSCN4394.jpg

West Harbour City from Casaguy at UT ( www.urbantoronto.ca)

vanman
Mar 17, 2009, 10:33 PM
Haha, I guess it comes from discussing with people who really love/know their own cities, instead of sticking with old stereotypes.

You wouldn't believe how many times I've heard Montrealers describing the "fugly giant redneck suburb" that is Calgary...
After hearing things like that, here I see Calgarians posting nice pics and showing actual facts, giving a more balanced view.

Exactly my point. It makes it tough to remain ignorant lol.

caltrane74
Mar 18, 2009, 5:49 PM
from lxmoss at UT - Success Tower at Pinnacle Centre!!!!

March 15th.

http://www.canlight.ca/urbantoronto/tour11.jpg

Coldrsx
Mar 18, 2009, 5:52 PM
^boring.

caltrane74
Mar 18, 2009, 5:56 PM
^but very, very tall!! - which makes it....interesting

...and I like the precast racing stripe and the dark green glass!!

Coldrsx
Mar 18, 2009, 6:03 PM
reminds me of all of those boring bland towers in HK

http://www.wspgroup.hk/upload/images/Projects/Asia/Sky%20Tower.jpg

caltrane74
Mar 18, 2009, 6:04 PM
That has way more exterior precasting than Success.

It's also the proportions that make the building look good. It's slim and slender, the glass works by the lake, and the precast is used to good effect.

RTA
Mar 18, 2009, 6:36 PM
reminds me of all of those boring bland towers in HK

Funny thing is those HK towers look a lot more like the Icon towers we got here. While Pinnacle isn't an architectural wonder by any stretch, it's still a good tower, even as a boring one.

Wooster
Mar 18, 2009, 6:42 PM
The real problem for me with Pinnacle Centre is it's rather dank podium levels. Not very inviting to me - everything just seems too big and overscaled.

LeftCoaster
Mar 18, 2009, 6:44 PM
That has way more exterior precasting than Success.

It's also the proportions that make the building look good. It's slim and slender, the glass works by the lake, and the precast is used to good effect.

Do you even know what precast is? :koko:

caltrane74
Mar 18, 2009, 6:49 PM
Do you even know what precast is? :koko:


You can see it running up the side of the building in this shot in white.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3572/3366193582_eb0b145102_o.jpg

The precast is pre-formed concrete.

Precast concrete is a form of construction, where concrete is cast in a reusable mould or "form" which is then cured in a controlled environment, transported to the construction site and lifted into place.

craner
Mar 18, 2009, 6:56 PM
from lxmoss at UT - Success Tower at Pinnacle Centre!!!!

:previous: I like it . . . I'll take it!:)

caltrane74
Mar 18, 2009, 7:03 PM
Yeah, who wouldn't; it's 165 meters of glass skyscraper.

And that's what we're about here, right?

LeftCoaster
Mar 18, 2009, 7:03 PM
The precast is pre-formed concrete.

Precast concrete is a form of construction, where concrete is cast in a reusable mould or "form" which is then cured in a controlled environment, transported to the construction site and lifted into place.

Precast concrete is a form of construction, where concrete is cast in a reusable mould or "form" which is then cured in a controlled environment, transported to the construction site and lifted into place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precast_concrete

Well done.


You do realize that none of those HK buildings utilize precast right?

caltrane74
Mar 18, 2009, 7:05 PM
Well done.


You do realize that none of those HK buildings utilize precast right?

So the exteriors are poured concrete. Nice. - I thought the towers in Hong Kong had more class than that, but I guess I was wrong. - Must be where they put the poor people to live or something.

Anyways......you've done an excellent job of showing that Pinnacle Center (Success Tower) and the Towers in HK that Coldsrx posted, have very little in common.

From exterior detailing, forming, proportions, and glass. Pinnacle makes them look ridiculous!!

vegeta_skyline
Mar 18, 2009, 7:07 PM
I don't know what planet your on Coldrsx but Success looks nothing like those HK towers.

In terms of whats been built in Canada the most similar developments would be Spire (universally beloved) & HVE3(universally ignored, but not hated & imo underrated).
Success falls in between those two, the only thing that's really 'wrong' with it is the podium and the first 2 buildings which I agree absolutely suck.
What makes Success better is less precast, a few subtle architectural elements, but most importantly the buildings proportions.

'Course your entitled to your own opinions on it.
I just don't see how you can compare a buildings that's about 90% glass to those concrete chimneys that feign as condo's in HK.

LeftCoaster
Mar 18, 2009, 7:14 PM
Well the only thing they have in common, which cold was pointing out in the first place, is that they are tall and boring. So they share two quite striking similarities.

caltrane74
Mar 18, 2009, 7:33 PM
Well the only thing they have in common, which cold was pointing out in the first place, is that they are tall and boring. So they share two quite striking similarities.

Boring is one thing.

Poured Exterior concrete is quite another. - 2 totally different plants man. - That's the kinda garbage they throw up in Dubai, Hong Kong, and Niagara Falls; you can't get away with that shit in Toronto.

WhipperSnapper
Mar 18, 2009, 7:33 PM
So the exteriors are poured concrete. Nice. - I thought the towers in Hong Kong had more class than that, but I guess I was wrong. - Must be where they put the poor people to live or something.


There must be a lot of poor then in British Columbia and Alberta buying condos.

The real problem for me with Pinnacle Centre is it's rather dank podium levels. Not very inviting to me - everything just seems too big and overscaled.

The arcade is dank and inviting as usual but, IMO, the worst part of the podium is the huge void create by the driveway. I really don't see anything too big or overscaled about the podium. (in comparison to MLS, for example)

LeftCoaster
Mar 18, 2009, 7:34 PM
Boring is one thing.

Poured Exterior concrete is quite another. - 2 totally different plants man. - That's the kinda garbage they throw up in Dubai, Hong Kong, and Niagara Falls; you can't get away with that shit in Toronto.

Toronto is full of CIP concrete... do you ever have a clue what you are talking about?

caltrane74
Mar 18, 2009, 7:35 PM
oh, goodlookin' you got jokes man.

WhipperSnapper
Mar 18, 2009, 7:44 PM
Toronto is full of CIP concrete

As a finish on a highrise?

caltrane74
Mar 18, 2009, 7:46 PM
He doesn't know what he's talking about. Don't worry with him.

Anyways..

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3606/3356144643_e35bb6376c_o.jpg
confusion at www.urbantoronto.ca

Murano no exterior concrete or precast concrete.....

WhipperSnapper
Mar 18, 2009, 7:53 PM
He doesn't know what he's talking about.

Not sure you do either. There are very few pre-cast concrete wall panels being used on highrises outside of Toronto. The concrete on Vancouver's condos is almost entirely cast in place.

caltrane74
Mar 18, 2009, 8:24 PM
Not sure you do either. There are very few pre-cast concrete wall panels being used on highrises outside of Toronto. The concrete on Vancouver's condos is almost entirely cast in place.

Oh well, then I guess you'll have to call it even old man.

No point running in place on the same shit.

caltrane74
Mar 18, 2009, 9:52 PM
Another shot of Murano!! - from dt toronto geek at www.urbantoronto.ca

http://s233.photobucket.com/albums/ee140/laserboy_TO/Murano2_March18-09.jpg

LeftCoaster
Mar 19, 2009, 12:30 AM
As a finish on a highrise?

Yeah you see quite a bit of it as painted concrete finishes on the exterior of a condo, especially in older buildings. I wouldn't exactly call it an architectural finish but there is exposed cast in place concrete in many new and old projects across the city. Even look at the photo ol' cally here posted just above and you can see a few vertical bands of exposed CIP.

He doesn't know what he's talking about. Don't worry with him.

Are you kidding me Caltrane? I work in the industry and spend my entire day mired in the technical aspects of building while you spend you day oogling the latest lakefront picture of Toronto. Christ, you tried to paraphrased wikipedia earlier today and tried to pass the info off as you own. You are a glorified civic cheerleader.

And it's "dont worry about him"... get your idioms correct.

WhipperSnapper
Mar 19, 2009, 2:27 AM
Yeah you see quite a bit of it as painted concrete finishes on the exterior of a condo, especially in older buildings.

Forgot about the cast in place sheltered balconies on the many, many apartment blocks but, otherwise, most of the concrete facades from the seventies onward are made of pre-cast concrete

Even look at the photo ol' cally here posted just above and you can see a few vertical bands of exposed CIP.


It's all pre-cast concrete, EIFS, or alunimum spandrel.

vegeta_skyline
Mar 19, 2009, 2:49 AM
Even look at the photo ol' cally here posted just above and you can see a few vertical bands of exposed CIP.

For someone who works in the industry you sure seem to have a hard time identifying the material used. Where exactly do you see these 'vertical bands' of CIP concrete on any recently finished building in photos that caltrane has posted?

bob1954
Mar 19, 2009, 6:06 AM
Calgary can only wish or hope they'll get a few condo towers like the ones on the previous page!

caltrane74
Mar 19, 2009, 11:53 AM
Are you kidding me Caltrane? I work in the industry and spend my entire day mired in the technical aspects of building while you spend you day oogling the latest lakefront picture of Toronto. Christ, you tried to paraphrased wikipedia earlier today and tried to pass the info off as you own. You are a glorified civic cheerleader.

And it's "dont worry about him"... get your idioms correct.

First of all, I work in advertising not construction so you "would seem" to have an obvious advantage over me when it comes to the technical aspects of a building. Yet, you mistook the precast I posted as CIP concrete, therefore you need to put it in shutdown mode. Also, if Maldive were here, he might have been able to give you the 411 on what this advertising manager does, and with whom in my spare time regarding real estate development in downtown Toronto.

btw..I don't know anyone, besides someone who hates their hometown perhaps, that isn't a glorified civic booster.



Calgary can only wish or hope they'll get a few condo towers like the ones on the previous page!


Calgary makes up for condo towers with office towers....so no worries.

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Anyways....

Here is another fabulous shot of the old rail lands by Redroom Studios at www.urbantoronto.ca

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2023/rbcled.jpg

LeftCoaster
Mar 19, 2009, 6:38 PM
It's all pre-cast concrete, EIFS, or alunimum spandrel.

You sure? Looks like an exposed structural pillar to me.

Anyway exposed CIP is still seen in new buildings, at least here in Vancouver. It is often painted and membrane treated... but according to Caltraine "You can't get away with that shit in Toronto", so I suppose it must all be gold plated alucabond or something :rolleyes:

And Caltrane, sounds like you have been spending your spare time with some major rollers and shakers in TO, you must be very important!!

caltrane74
Mar 19, 2009, 6:55 PM
We shouldn't be mucking this thread up with construction building methods. But to be honest, the only building in the GTA area that I've seen go up with exterior finished CIP concrete is the hideous Niagara Hilton addtion. And yes, the city planners would never have let any developer get away with building an outrage like that anywhere within the 416.

wild wild west
Mar 19, 2009, 7:12 PM
Not to jump in on the cast-in-place vs. precast concrete discussion - but my 2 cents is that personally, I quite like Success @ Pinnacle. Would I like it better without the "racing stripe"? Maybe. But I like it nevertheless, although I confess I am blissfully unaware of how the podium looks.

WhipperSnapper
Mar 19, 2009, 8:16 PM
And yes, the city planners would never have let any developer get away with building an outrage like that anywhere within the 416.


The city planners have little to say on design. What gets built is a result of the market.

Not sure why you think cast in place is an inferior finish either. Pre-cast is simply faster to erect in Toronto than a non-bearing cast in place facade.

caltrane74
Mar 19, 2009, 8:19 PM
The city planners have little to say on design. What gets built is a result of the market.

Not sure why you think cast in place is an inferior finish either. Pre-cast is simply faster to erect in Toronto than a non-bearing cast in place facade.

I thought buildings have to be approved by the city, before they can move forward. - Builders just can't go willy nilly....Also weren't the city planners putting in a place a design review board to refine and modify builders proposals to create an appealing urban asesthic??

WhipperSnapper
Mar 19, 2009, 10:46 PM
I thought buildings have to be approved by the city, before they can move forward. - Builders just can't go willy nilly

But builders can go willy nilly providing there are within the zoning requirements and meet "minimum" building code requirements. I stress "minimum" eventhough Ontario standards are some of the highest around. Last I heard, Niagara Falls was in Ontario.

LeftCoaster
Mar 19, 2009, 11:32 PM
The DP drawings a city sees are often not detailed enough to be commenting on the presence of precast or CIP concrete, in fact if done properly pored concrete can be of similar quality to precast. A UDP is what the city would be creating to comment on the quality of the proposals brought before the city, however once again they are primarily concerned with the overall aesthetic of the building and not the precise materials spec'd. There is a UDP system set up on Vancouver and some of the shit that passes here is quite bland imo, you can only push a developer so far before a project becomes unprofitable.

raggedy13
Mar 20, 2009, 7:11 AM
Some Woodward's pics by Vanboy2 at SSC and posted by jlousa in SSP:Local Vancouver.

Don't normally do this but I really liked these pics so I'm posting them here, they were taken by Vanboy2 at SSC and here is the original source.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=519471&page=5

http://i41.tinypic.com/30rmohv.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/zwxogx.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/5eajk2.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/2v1rfcz.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/sg1w7t.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/s4p11t.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/zkri4j.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/x6crkp.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/287g5kj.jpg

sammo
Mar 20, 2009, 1:10 PM
:previous:
Wow.
Is that cast iron or aluminum being used to ornament Woodwards?
You don't see that too often.

wild wild west
Mar 20, 2009, 2:20 PM
Woodward's kicks ass. The ornamental metal elements running up the building (and if I recall correctly, they will have vines running up them?) is one of those kinds of bizarre ideas that I would no doubt be skeptical about upon unveiling, but quite clearly it's going to work splendidly. I think this building is my fave on this (11-30) list.

Doug_Cgy
Mar 20, 2009, 5:21 PM
I'm sorry...but I find Woodward's to be slightly tacky...

Calgarian
Mar 20, 2009, 6:30 PM
CIP concrete is extremely rare and is only utilized on lower cost buildings, most buildings today pour concrete on site. Now freakin drop it!

Calgarian
Mar 20, 2009, 6:32 PM
Woodwards is a strange looking building, I don't really like it. I thought those pics were of Vancouver's "Flat Iron".

Coldrsx
Mar 20, 2009, 6:34 PM
I'm sorry...but I find Woodward's to be slightly tacky...

really?

I personally love it and equally love how this condo stands out from the rest of the menage of grey/blue curtain wall.

Calgarian
Mar 20, 2009, 6:36 PM
really?

I personally love it and equally love how this condo stands out from the rest of the menage of grey/blue curtain wall.

The contrast is certainly nice. Vancouver should have some Prodema wood and some stone cladding on future buildings, there is too much glass.

Wooster
Mar 20, 2009, 6:38 PM
looks best from a little bit of distance. Overall though, a first class project.

LeftCoaster
Mar 20, 2009, 7:57 PM
CIP concrete is extremely rare and is only utilized on lower cost buildings, most buildings today pour concrete on site. Now freakin drop it!

CIP is poored concrete :koko:

Also I can see how some might not like woodwards for being too busy, but it certainly isn't tacky.

dreambrother808
Mar 20, 2009, 10:21 PM
it's quite an elegant and unique project actually.