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BoulderGrad
02-12-2008, 06:43 AM
Article and pictures from the Seattle Times:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2004176002_newtower11.html

A new angle on Seattle's skyline

By Eric Pryne

Seattle Times business reporter

The developer who saved the historic First United Methodist Church sanctuary last year has unveiled plans for an asymmetrical skyscraper next door that could be a striking addition to the downtown Seattle skyline.

At 660 feet, Daniels Development Co.'s Fifth and Columbia Tower would be the city's fifth-tallest building, and the tallest constructed since 1990. But its height would be less distinctive than its angular design.

Each side of the slender office tower is to have four triangular planes set at different angles, like facets on a diamond. As it rises, the skyscraper would extend in and out of the air space above the other two buildings on the block, the 1908 domed church sanctuary and the 1904 Rainier Club.

The design was driven in part by a desire to honor, rather than overpower, those venerable neighbors, said Kevin Daniels, Daniels Development president and a longtime historic-preservation advocate.

The tower's angles and slopes suggest "it's paying homage to its neighbors," he said. "It's genuflecting."

Because of the angles, the dimensions of each floor of the 43-story tower would be slightly different, larger in the middle than at the top and bottom.

The "facets" would be covered by glass that would be either transparent or reflective, depending on weather, point of view and time of day. At times it would reflect surrounding buildings, including the historic church at its base and the skyscrapers on the other three corners of Fifth Avenue and Columbia Street, designers say.

"All the sides of the building are different," said partner Allyn Stellmacher, of Zimmer Gunsul Frasca, the architectural firm that designed the tower. "It'll be a different building when it's sunny, when it's dark, when it's cloudy."

A church annex built in 1950 would be demolished to make way for the tower.

The $300 million project already has won the approval of the city's downtown Design Review Board, an advisory panel.

"It's a very exciting and interesting proposal," said board member Wilmot Gilland, former dean of the University of Oregon architecture school. "It's one of the finer projects we've seen in the last year and a half or so."

Sanctuary saved

In mid-2006 the city changed downtown zoning to allow taller, skinnier office towers. Under the old zoning, the tower would have been limited to 450 feet, and Daniels said it probably wouldn't have been economical to build.

Michael Godfried of Save Our Sanctuary, the group that led the charge to save the century-old Methodist church, called the tower "an elegant building that's going to be a nice addition to the skyline ...

"They kept it simple. They didn't add too many bells and whistles," he said. "Hopefully that's what's going to allow it to harmonize with the sanctuary."

Daniels was widely applauded last year for his role in saving the historic sanctuary, whose destruction seemed inevitable after the church won a long legal battle to prevent the city from designating it a protected landmark.

Church leaders said sale and redevelopment of the property could provide both new worship space and money to support the congregation's ministry to the homeless and others. They also maintained that the congregation lacked the resources to repair the aging sanctuary, damaged in the Nisqually earthquake.

In 2005, city planners approved a 33-story tower that would have replaced both the sanctuary and annex. But community leaders implored the church to reconsider.

In a complex, $32 million deal announced last May, Nitze-Stagen, Daniels Development's sister company, agreed to buy the church property, preserve the sanctuary and move the congregation to a new home near Seattle Center.

But designing a skyscraper limited only to the church-annex site posed special challenges, Daniels and Stellmacher said.

The quarter-block site was too small, they said, to build a conventional tower that would be economically viable. And the historic buildings on the rest of the block demanded respect, an architectural imperative that suggested the tower should be distanced from them -- and its footprint reduced still more.

Solving a design puzzle

So they designed a 760,000-square-foot building that is smallest at its base, providing greater separation at street level from the sanctuary and Rainier Club. The first four floors, walled with clear glass, will serve as a "crystalline podium" for the rest of the tower, Daniels said.

Some higher floors of the tower would contain nearly twice as many square feet as the ground floor. At its closest, the skyscraper would come within 4 feet of touching the sanctuary's roof.

Economics dictated that the building's upper floors intrude some into the air space over the sanctuary and Rainier Club, Daniels said. But he and the architects rejected a more boxy cantilever over the sanctuary because of concerns such a design would overwhelm it.

The faceted design that was chosen also serves a practical purpose, said Bob Zimmerman, managing partner of Zimmer Gunsul Frasca's Seattle office. The diagonal steel braces that separate the triangular planes on each side help hold the building up, so it requires fewer columns that block views and reduce leasable space.

Daniels has tentatively arranged to provide parking for Rainier Club members in the skyscraper's underground garage in return for the club's air rights. The garage would be built under both the tower and what is now a tiny parking lot at the south end of the Rainier Club's property.

"[Daniels] has made a real effort to find out what the club's needs are and accommodate them in his design," said Douglas Oles, the club's president.

As for the skyscraper, "it's hard to argue it's a complementary structure" to the brick, gabled club building, he said. But it would allow more daylight than the bulkier, 33-story tower originally proposed for the Methodist property, he added.

The Fifth and Columbia Tower also would feature:

• A narrow courtyard between the skyscraper and the sanctuary's south wall, with sculpture and a water feature, that would be accessible to the public from Fifth Avenue.

Design Review Board members have expressed concern the space could be too dark and forbidding. In response, Daniels said, designers may add more reflective surfaces to make the most of daylight.

• What architects call a "living wall" along steeply sloping Columbia Street, with plants growing from holes in a vertical facade along the sidewalk.

• Environment-friendly features, including solar-energy equipment on the angled roof that would generate a small part of the building's electricity, and a system to capture and reuse all the rainwater from the entire block.

Future use of the First Methodist sanctuary hasn't been decided, Daniels said, but it will be renominated for landmark status, and any use "will preserve the sanctity of the building -- no condos."

The city is expected to approve a land-use permit for the tower in the next few weeks. Daniels said he hopes to start tearing down the church annex in April and finish the skyscraper by mid-2010. No tenants have yet been signed.

Eric Pryne: 206-464-2231 or epryne@seattletimes.com

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PacificNW
02-13-2008, 02:18 AM
Very nice!

Urban Zombie®
02-13-2008, 06:02 AM
I think posting the big rendering is warranted:

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k199/blackc5photos/8115th.jpg



Anywho, this project is going to seriously rock the casbah--let's hope it won't be subject to the usual "Budweisering." That wonderful Seattle process which turns originally intriguing designs into "safe" fortresses from the kingdom of Blandom.

JiminyCricket II
02-13-2008, 07:21 AM
Anywho, this project is going to seriously rock the casbah--let's hope it won't be subject to the usual "Budweisering." That wonderful Seattle process which turns originally intriguing designs into "safe" fortresses from the kingdom of Blandom.

If you didn't read the article then you'll like this Bob:

The $300 million project already has won the approval of the city's downtown Design Review Board, an advisory panel.

This thing is a go!

BoulderGrad
02-13-2008, 07:32 AM
Construction starts in April

Urban Zombie®
02-13-2008, 09:18 AM
If you didn't read the article then you'll like this Bob:



This thing is a go!

Oh, I read it--and re-read it. However, I won't entirely trust it until construction begins. We know how things go in Seattle sometimes.

Still, when I saw the render for the first time all those months ago, I never dreamed it would make it this far--intact, with such a design and height. So this is very good news all the same.

Complex01
02-13-2008, 04:25 PM
Man I love it. What a project. The building is so beautiful. Another great addition to the ever growing Seattle Skyline. It’s Very Very Kewl...

:yes:

BoulderGrad
02-13-2008, 08:16 PM
This thing is a go!

Didn't realize it had already finished design reviews, so I changed its status to "Approved"

hmaurice
02-13-2008, 11:18 PM
If you didn't read the article then you'll like this Bob:



This thing is a go!


Hold on. Doesn't this project still need to pass land use?

NW Mike
02-13-2008, 11:57 PM
Oh, I read it--and re-read it. However, I won't entirely trust it until construction begins. We know how things go in Seattle sometimes.

Still, when I saw the render for the first time all those months ago, I never dreamed it would make it this far--intact, with such a design and height. So this is very good news all the same.

I agree! It made it this far with out them shutting it down or changing the design. Lets all keep our fingers crossed.

WESTSEATTLEGUY
02-14-2008, 12:10 AM
It is a go. The homeless shelter at the site is being vacated along with the church's items and furniture. Pretty soon it will be ready for deomlishen.

Urban Zombie®
02-14-2008, 07:43 AM
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That's fantastic news! This'll be Seattle's first 200+ meter tower since when, 1990? 1989? About bleedin' time.

urbanlife
02-19-2008, 10:07 PM
this is good news, not only is it a good design, it also preserves a beautiful building. I say a win-win for seattle.

mhays
02-19-2008, 10:11 PM
Hold on. Doesn't this project still need to pass land use?

Not to mention building permits. Most projects that some people here called "approved" are still awaiting approvals.

hmaurice
02-19-2008, 11:20 PM
Not to mention building permits. Most projects that some people here called "approved" are still awaiting approvals.
That's what I thought mhays. There are still a few more steps for this project to pass before we can declare it approved.

Aleks
02-27-2008, 11:44 PM
Ha! I was right. It does have a slanted roof! Anyways, nice project! Hopfully it will look nice and by the renderings I say it will. 660 feet is tall for 43 floors but hey, it's taller and the way they designed the tower to fit into that small piece of land is awesome.

destroybananas
02-29-2008, 07:54 PM
Not to mention building permits. Most projects that some people here called "approved" are still awaiting approvals.


So why would they have a set date to start the project?

mhays
02-29-2008, 09:22 PM
That's how it works on most projects. Start dates are often announced based on predicted arrival of master use permits and especially building permits.

In fact, demo and scraping often starts before the first building permit. So many jobs that are "underway" according to SSC/SSP are actually not "approved" yet.

The whole concept of "approved" is true in some cases for projects that haven't started yet, but the idea that there's a significant "approved" before the actual start is imaginary.

Brian Fellows
02-29-2008, 10:53 PM
And 1st by a mile.

The tenant reception and feedback of the initial renderings has been dramatic. Architecture and design of this project that will get national and international attention, much unlike anything Seattle has ever built to date.

I can't imagine Schnitzer is real happy about getting completely trumped by this building for their proposed tower on 5th & Marion project pinched behind this icon.

PacificNW
03-01-2008, 02:24 AM
Hmmm....I don't consider the architecture ground breaking considering there are similar designed towers already built. It will be a nice addition for Seattle, though. It definitely will be a beautiful tower!

Aleks
03-02-2008, 06:14 AM
Actually, the most known buildings of Seattle nationally & internationally would have to be the Space Needle, Smith Tower and The Seattle Public Library.

I don't like the diagram too much in the Seattle Diagram Section.In the renderings this building looks like the BofA in New York without an antenna. And it would look so much nicer if it was near the Seattle Public Library but in the other hand, it will be a great difference between the new and the old and it will have a great effect.

hmaurice
03-07-2008, 06:24 PM
I don't like the diagram too much in the Seattle Diagram Section.In the renderings this building looks like the BofA in New York without an antenna.

One thing pointed out by the Seattle design review board was, "they would like to see the verticality of the proposed structure expressed in order to lessen the perception that it was shorter than the surrounding structures." Those surrounding structures which are among Seattle's tallest are Columbia Center, Seattle Municipal Tower (formelly AT&T Tower), and the Bank of America Plaza. You're right that the diagram in the SSP diagram section looks a little bulky and stumpy. The actually architectural renderings do not give that stumpy impression, maybe Zimmer|Gunsul|Frasca will do more to emphasize the length (660 ft) of the project.

mSeattle
03-12-2008, 12:13 AM
Great proposal. Wish it was south of Columbia Center or higher up on the hill.

Aleks
04-03-2008, 04:45 AM
There's now a website for the tower: Fifth&Columbia (http://fifthandcolumbia.com/index.html)!!!!

Expected Schedule of building:

January 2008 - Issuance of revised Master Use Permit by the City of Seattle
April 2008 - Demolition of administrative building will commence
June 2008 - Excavation will commence on the site
August 2008 - Construction of underground parking facility will commence
July 2009 - Construction of High Rise portion of project will commence
July 2010 - Completion of Office Building and tenant move-in

Facts and Figures:

* Fifth & Columbia is the first high rise to be designed to meet the Gold LEED certified rating for "core and shell and interiors" in Seattle
* The cost of foreign-sourced materials represents less than 5% of the cost of the construction of the Tower itself.
* The "faceted" frame of the Tower will contain roughly 20% less steel than would a conventional perimeter frame - saving approximately 25,000 tons of steel.
* Each triangle in the faceted is fifteen stories tall, or 165 feet.
* Daylight sensors to control lighting and reduce energy use
* Over one mile of glass office fronts
* Over 90% of structural steel contains recycled material
* 15 passenger elevators
* Wi-Max enabled building
* 2,000 low energy light fixtures
* Over 10,000 ceiling tiles with recycled materials
* High-speed fiber optic data transmission - 10x faster than most buildings

Gross Area: 760,000 ft² / 70,500 m²
Net Rentable Area: 700,000 ft² / 60,000 m²
Chargeable Floor Area:
Typical Gross Floor Area: 18,500 ft² (1,700 m²)
Typical Floor to Floor Height: 13'-6" (4 m)
Building Height: 550 ft (180 m)
Number of Stories: 43

Ownership: Fifth & Columbia Investors, LLC
Development Manager: Daniels Development Co.
General Contractor: Turner Construction Co
Architect: ZGF
Structure: Arup
Shoring Design: CPL
MEP: Sysken Hennesy Group
Vertical Transportation: Edgett Williams Consulting Group, Inc
Lighting:
Civil: CPL
Historical Architect: Ron Wright AIA

Pictures from the site:

Southwest View:
http://fifthandcolumbia.com/photos/southwest.jpg

http://fifthandcolumbia.com/photos/towernorth.jpg

Smith Tower View:
http://fifthandcolumbia.com/photos/towersmith.jpg

5th & Columbia View:
http://fifthandcolumbia.com/photos/northwest.jpg

Ranier Club View:
http://fifthandcolumbia.com/photos/southeast_view.jpg

Previous Designs:

Design One:
http://fifthandcolumbia.com/photos/1a.jpg

http://fifthandcolumbia.com/photos/1b.jpg

Design Two:
http://fifthandcolumbia.com/photos/2a.jpg

http://fifthandcolumbia.com/photos/2b.jpg

Current Design:
http://fifthandcolumbia.com/photos/3a.jpg

http://fifthandcolumbia.com/photos/3b.jpg
All pictures from Fifth&Columbia.com (http://fifthandcolumbia.com/index.html)

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Note: I like that the website focuses on the Rainier Club & First United Methodist Church as much as they focus on the tower. I don't know if it's because they care or because they want to build the tower and need people to support them so that they can build it faster. Whatever the reason, I like it.

Urban Zombie®
04-03-2008, 05:52 AM
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Thanks for the link...especially those renderings! An interesting observation though, that site has two different heights listed for the building. There's the 550' in Aleks' post, as well as this one:

Gross Building Area: 947,500 SF
Gross Measured Area: 761,500 SF
Net Rentable Area: 699,000 SF
Chargeable Floor Area: 698,000 SF (for purposes of code, zoning, and FAR calculation)
Typical Gross Floor Area: 18,500 SF
Typical Floor to Floor Height: 13'-6"
Building Height: 660 FT
Number of Stories: 43

In fact, a 13'-6" floor to floor height puts the top floor alone at around 585 feet...not to mention what looks like a very large bottom floor and the large, diagonal roofpiece, which should put it well above 600". Thus, I'm still inclined to believe that 660' is the actual height (which is about what it appears to be in the renderings as well).

Yanked these from the introductory video: http://fifthandcolumbia.com/index.html

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3016/2383996997_6082e97ec1_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2223/2383996993_7739196416_o.jpg

James Bond Agent 007
04-03-2008, 06:45 AM
Wow I almost just came in my pants.

Urban Zombie®
04-03-2008, 07:05 AM
^
Luckily, that's what pants are for! :banana:

BTW, I just noticed that the renderings in the screen-caps I just posted appear to be of the first (or second) design. However, it's still pretty groovy.

Aleks
04-03-2008, 07:33 AM
No, I think it's still the last design just with a different roof. I was wondering why the roof looked all zig-zag-ish in the Flash Video and why it looked diagonal in the pictures. I say they should go with the diagonal instead of Zig Zag. And I don't get what they mean by the "Living Curtain Wall" facing Columbia Street.

The rainwater will then be harvested in one 14,000-gallon reclamation tank located in the basement of the office tower. The rainwater will be used to replace water lost to evaporation in the office air-conditioning system. It also will be fed into a special pumping system to irrigate plantings and trees inside and outside of the building, including the proposed "living wall" on the south face. It is expected that the captured rain will produce all of the watering needs for the building.

I'm guessing they will add tons of Ivy to that wall. But it doesn't show it on the renderings.

mhays
04-03-2008, 03:47 PM
The skyline renderings prove it's the taller height.

seaskyfan
04-04-2008, 06:18 PM
Walked by this morning. They have a dumpster outside the admin building that looked pretty full and they were jackhammering up the sidewalk in front of the church.

James Bond Agent 007
04-04-2008, 09:56 PM
^
Ooo! I'm so excited!! :banana:

urbanlife
04-05-2008, 02:40 AM
this building keeps getting better with each new rendering.
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it would look good in downtown Portland...

WonderlandPark
04-05-2008, 04:24 AM
Oh man, that is a great tower in the perfect location :slob:

Complex01
04-07-2008, 03:06 PM
Man this building just gets better and better. I love it. Very Kewl...

:wizard:

seaskyfan
04-11-2008, 06:22 PM
Almost all of the windows are out of the admin building and the hole in the sidewalk looks to be close to six feet deep. Nice to see the progress!

alexjon
04-11-2008, 09:26 PM
We need a rendering of the view from First Hill, specifically from Seneca by Freeway park

NW Mike
04-15-2008, 01:53 AM
5th and Columbia is sexier than Seattle Civic Square. Thats a slap in Norman Fosters face.

http://inlinethumb05.webshots.com/39812/2868522350010327891S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2868522350010327891eWLifK)

http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/42206/2022496340010327891S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2022496340010327891CcSruC)

Aleks
04-15-2008, 02:44 AM
Ha, I was thinking that too. F+P must feel ashamed. The render quality is bad too. Some of those buildings in the Civic Square render look out of proportion.

mSeattle
04-15-2008, 03:56 AM
Hmm, is this rendering the most recent one like brand new within the last week? F+P must be getting back at the DR people and the CC for not making an exception to Seattle's FAR rules; which is not to say that they are doing this. It's just a fun explanation for the design and a dream for those of us who wish that some of the rigid rules would be dropped.

I do like that they're still trying to "crown" it in spite of the rules.

seaskyfan
04-15-2008, 05:59 AM
Hmm, is this rendering the most recent one like brand new within the last week? F+P must be getting back at the DR people and the CC for not making an exception to Seattle's FAR rules; which is not to say that they are doing this. It's just a fun explanation for the design and a dream for those of us who wish that some of the rigid rules would be dropped.

I do like that they're still trying to "crown" it in spite of the rules.

I don't follow. What happened?

CorePlusSeattle
04-21-2008, 04:28 AM
Some people are questioning whether this project will be put on hold. There is some belief that the demo will move forward but construction will not.....conventional wisdom is that the market will struggle to absorb the available space

hmaurice
05-06-2008, 02:12 AM
There is some belief that the demo will move forward but construction will not
Well, demolition is definitely moving forward.
http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/4479/2169623590010327891S600x600Q85.jpg
Photo courtesy of NWMike (SSC)

alexjon
05-06-2008, 06:42 PM
Far as I know, unless big tenants move out of the nearby towers, this is the only option for supplying the demand.

I think it will go forward, but I don't think we'll have a big name attached to it until some floors go up.

Seasun
05-07-2008, 04:45 AM
Almost all of the church annex is gone as of a few hours ago. Nice open view of Smith Tower from 5th Ave.

Urban Zombie®
05-07-2008, 04:52 AM
Nice open view of Smith Tower from 5th Ave.

Hopefully not for long--if you catch my drift.

James Bond Agent 007
05-07-2008, 05:11 AM
Far as I know, unless big tenants move out of the nearby towers, this is the only option for supplying the demand.

I think it will go forward, but I don't think we'll have a big name attached to it until some floors go up.
No, there's also 5th and Yesler, not to mention 1918 8th.

Complex01
05-07-2008, 07:57 PM
Well something is happening, that is good for the most part...

:yes:

alexjon
05-07-2008, 09:01 PM
No, there's also 5th and Yesler, not to mention 1918 8th.

I thought there were tenants lined up for both?

If not, I hope there are soon-- we need 5&C!

OhioGuy
05-16-2008, 02:43 AM
This tower looks sweet. Should be a great addition to Seattle's already beautiful skyline. :)

Seattle206
05-16-2008, 04:54 PM
I am so glad they allowed this tower to rise up to 660ft. I believe the original plans called for a stumpy 34 floor tower, which would have been lost amongst the big towers surrounding it (Columbia, Municipal, BofA Plaza, etc.). At this height it at least has a chance to stand up and be seen with the big boys.

Though the economy has hit the skids, I do believe there is demand enough for class-A office space for this project. Not sure if a "major" tenant has been signed on yet, but by the time this tower is topped out, the market should be there to absorb the additional square footage this building will bring to market.

Its architecture is a bit Sir Norman Foster-ish... what with the diamond faceted facade and the unusual angles. Dontcha think?? I do like it. Hope it's a go.

Aleks
06-07-2008, 06:42 AM
Well, there's an empty lot. Hopefully nothing goes wrong and construction doesn't come to a stop. Anyways, I was looking around in the 5&C (http://fifthandcolumbia.com/index.html) website and they have new .pdf documents with floor sections, layouts, heights, etc...

It seems the developers added two expansion floors to the Rainier Club that was not in the contract. Wow, they really want to please the neighbors. From 5th Ave there are 9 floors below ground and from 4th there are 6. The roof is 763 feet above sea level!

Webcam has been set up: Last Image Taken (http://server2.varcsystems.com/on-site-archive/recent/4FCBC3436B65B66C7E/4F5CA05D0C2347F221.jpg)

Complex01
06-17-2008, 06:44 PM
Awesome news. Nice a web cam. I like those for sure...

:cool:

alexjon
06-19-2008, 02:45 AM
Pretty good excavation going on

BoulderGrad
06-20-2008, 02:00 AM
So I saw a headline in the DJC that microsoft was still looking for 350,000 sqft of office space downtown.... And here we have this big new beautiful building wanting to go up....

Just a thought...

sequoias
06-26-2008, 06:29 PM
Wow, very impressive and it will have a nice impact to the skyline!

alexjon
07-16-2008, 11:03 PM
You guys, not to alarm you, but there is a THING on the lot! They're doing THINGS and STUFF on the lot!

It looks like they're moving wood panels and putting them up on the sanctuary.

mhays
07-16-2008, 11:47 PM
In the news they said something about fixing the sanctuary building in the short term, then starting the tower project in March, or something like that.

alexjon
07-17-2008, 05:06 AM
Dag. :(

nwroots
02-06-2009, 07:32 PM
Anyone have an update on this?

Vashon118
02-08-2009, 05:18 AM
It's currently on hold. IMHO, it's highly unlikely construction will start anytime soon due to the amount of office space becoming available due to the demise of WaMu and several office buildings (5th and Yesler, 7th and Madison, 1918 8th, West 8th, and Enso) coming online this year.

urbanlife
02-08-2009, 08:43 AM
well if it doesnt happen, feel free to send this building down to Portland, it would look amazing in our city.



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