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BTinSF
Mar 22, 2008, 7:21 PM
Tiny cars may force cities to rethink parking
Michael Cabanatuan, Chronicle Staff Writer
Saturday, March 22, 2008

Smart cars, the teeny tiny two-passenger vehicles that have long attracted the attention of Americans visiting Europe, are starting to show up on the streets of the Bay Area, where they're likely to smash head-on into parking regulations designed for larger cars.

Just 8-feet, 8-inches long - about 3 feet shorter than the Mini Cooper - Smart cars can squeeze into just about any parking space. That's sure to make them a hit in San Francisco. But whether they can wedge themselves into a system of parking laws designed for much larger vehicles is going to be the bigger challenge.

In Europe, where more than 800,000 of the little cars have sold in the past decade, drivers often park perpendicularly - with their noses or tails to the curb - between parallel-parked larger cars. But in California, that violates a state law that requires cars to have their right tires within 18 inches of the curb unless parked on the left side of a one-way street, in which case the rule applies to their left-side tires.

Smart cars, manufactured by Mercedes and originally designed by Swatch, are marketed with the idea that they can be parked anywhere. But that's not yet the case. Smart, which started taking orders last year, started releasing cars to customers in late January. According to Ash Zaki, a Smart representative in San Francisco, about 100 will be delivered by the end of May, but "you should start to see a lot more of them over the next few months."

A full-scale invasion of the pint-sized cars will force cities and counties, which set most parking laws in California, to rethink those policies, said Matt Nichol, a transportation planner in Berkeley.

"If these things sell in any kind of reasonable numbers, we're going to have to deal with it," he said.

Nichol said that while Berkeley has created smaller parking places in some areas for small electric vehicles, it has not yet contemplated how to handle Smart cars and other ultra-compact cars in development.

Likewise, San Francisco has not yet developed any special policies for micro-cars.

That means that while Smart cars cannot park perpendicularly on city streets, they can park two to a marked space as long as they both fit within the lines and allow room for each other to maneuver, said Kristen Holland, spokeswoman for San Francisco's Municipal Transportation Agency. The same goes for metered spots - as long as someone pays the meter. And if it expires, she said, both cars can be ticketed. The same law applies to motorcycles.

Smart USA spokesman Ken Kettenbeil said the company has just started talking with some East Coast cities about Smart-friendly parking policies. He declined to name the specific cities.

"It's going to be a lot of work because each city has its own policies," he said, "but we've started."

Joseph Alioto Jr., an attorney and candidate for San Francisco supervisor, is one of the city's first Smart car owners. He said he'd love to be able to legally park with the nose or tail to the curb, and said he would, if elected, back an ordinance making that possible. But until then, Alioto said, he's still able to pull into just about any parking place - even between driveways in crowded neighborhoods.

"Parking is probably the funnest part of the car," he said. "My wife wants to put together a photo album of the tight parking spots we've been able to squeeze into."

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E-mail Michael Cabanatuan at mcabanatuan@sfchronicle.com.
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Saddle Man
Mar 22, 2008, 10:02 PM
Small cars are the wave of the future.

SFUVancouver
Mar 23, 2008, 6:29 AM
Mercedes-Benz introduced the Smart Car to North America in Vancouver several years ago and they're becoming quite common on our city streets. They have also become popular with municipalities who use them as employee vehicles, especially the Engineering department and parking enforcement. I am not certain whether Smart Cars are allowed to park at a right angle to the curb but I have seen it done several times. In Victoria BC the city allows Smart Cars to park in leftover spaces that are otherwise unusable and they only pay half as much for parking since they take up less space.

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http://creativecommons.org/images/public/somerights20.png (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/ca/) My photo, taken March 22nd, 2008.

ScizzoTX
Mar 23, 2008, 6:54 AM
^^^ I've seen a lot of Smart Cars show up in Portland over the last year and I've wondered where they came from. I guess this explains it... Portlanders are probably purchasing them in Vancouver and driving them back down. Whatever the case, it's really nice to see them driving around the streets here. Smart Cars are sick

Boris2k7
Mar 23, 2008, 11:13 AM
Smart Cars have become quite common in Calgary as well, and I suspect in most Canadian cities. I see them used quite a lot as business cars, or as secondary cars for homeowners.

canucklehead2
Mar 26, 2008, 3:50 PM
I wouldn't even be surprised to see a new generation of single seater electric and gas powered cars crop up that would be even smaller than the Smart Car, since the vast majority of all vehicles only carry the driver anyway. Of course this will force cities not only to think about parking but also traffic and who belongs on urban roads...

Of course I'm from Alberta so anything typically smaller than a GMC Suburban is considered a compact, unfortunately...

SFUVancouver
Mar 26, 2008, 10:27 PM
I came across this one today and thought I would snap a picture.

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http://creativecommons.org/images/public/somerights20.png (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/ca/) My photo, taken March 26th, 2008.

hymalaia
Mar 26, 2008, 10:32 PM
I wouldn't even be surprised to see a new generation of single seater electric and gas powered cars crop up that would be even smaller than the Smart Car, since the vast majority of all vehicles only carry the driver anyway. Of course this will force cities not only to think about parking but also traffic and who belongs on urban roads...

just think how they could reduce lane sizes to fit only smart cars, adding traffic capacity without needing to build more roads.

theWatusi
Mar 26, 2008, 10:47 PM
how come they all have logos on the doors? are they demos?

Ducov
Mar 26, 2008, 11:44 PM
But in California, that violates a state law that requires cars to have their right tires within 18 inches of the curb unless parked on the left side of a one-way street, in which case the rule applies to their left-side tires.

What a silly little law, I hate laws like this, they make no sense.

BTinSF
Mar 27, 2008, 12:04 AM
^^^It's not so silly, really. It allows the ticketing or towing of the idiots who park their behemoth SUVs 2 ft from the curb and block half a traffic lane just because they don't know how to parallel park. It also subtly bans double parking which, in SF anyway, is one of the main problems slowing down transit vehicles.

Until "Smart Cars" came along, there really were no vehicles other than motorcycles short enough to park perpendicular to the curb without blocking a traffic lane--and motorcycles, by the way, are not only allowed but encouraged to park perpendicular.

Boris2k7
Mar 27, 2008, 5:09 AM
^ Why not have a rule that states that if a vehicle is shorter than x meters and a turning radius of x, it is allowed to park perpendicular?

BTinSF
Mar 27, 2008, 6:13 AM
^^^Why not? The whole point of the article is they are going to have to change the law and that's probably something like how they'll change it.

Boris2k7
Mar 27, 2008, 6:40 AM
I'm not seeing that in the article BT. What you bolded said that if they can fit in two a spot, parallel, then it should be good. Perpindicular seems to still be a no-go. It does say that they might have to rethink that policy someday...

What I'm saying is something a little more specific.

BTinSF
Mar 27, 2008, 8:58 AM
^^^Perpendicular is still a no-go--until they change the law. But the title of the article is that they will have to "rethink" the law and, since perpendicular is apparently how it's done now in Europe and perpendicular is already how motorcycles do it in CA, I'm extrapolating into a guess that there's a good chance CA law will be changed to allow cars short enough not to obstruct traffic to also park perpendicular. The article doesn't say that but it does imply they are likely to have to change the law somehow and, as you pointed out, that seems the logical way to go.