[SFUVancouver]

[Original post - major updates since then]

http://www.avisonyoung.com/library/property/lease/Gateway%20Picture.jpg
Source (http://www.avisonyoung.com/Vancouver/Property_Listings/For_Lease/Office_Headlease/736/)

"Phase I of this 5 phase, 600,000 sq. ft. office park is scheduled for completion in early 2010 and will represent the cutting edge in sustainable and responsible design certified to a LEED Gold standard. The varying sizes of floor plates that will be found within the business park will cater to businesses large and small offering long term growth opportunity.

"Located immediately adjacent to the Gateway SkyTrain terminal and to the existing Station Tower, in the heart of Surrey’s city centre, the Gateway Office Park will boast a central Lower Mainland location and transportation access that only a select few office locations in the Metro Vancouver can. The spectacular views and tranquil campus setting, complete with waterfall, solidifies Gateway Office Park has the most significant new development in the Greater Vancouver Regional District."

http://www.avisonyoung.com/Vancouver/Property_Listings/For_Lease/Office_Headlease/736/


[Updated by LeftCoaster with many new details]

Well guys I have great news... I was wrong!

Well sort of.

The total office square footage of this project will still be 600 000sf buuuuut....

They have added two residential towers as well, which forced them to put the misplaced office space into a taller office tower. Now dont get too excited, it will only be slightly taller than the tower which is already there, but still this is a pleasant surprise. The development now looks somehting like this:

Building A: 30 floor residential @ 230,000sf

Building B: 24 floor residential @ 170,000sf

Building C: 9 floor Office @ 150,000sf

Building D: 3 floor Office @ 36,000sf

Building E: 21 floor office @ 314,000sf

And as an added bonus... renders!

Site Overview with residential towers in the foreground and office towers in the rear

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/mattcav/7.jpg

The new office building with residential towers in the rear and existing office tower on the left.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/mattcav/1-1.jpg

A diagram of the green attributes of the development

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/mattcav/8.jpg


Original Post (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=3491593&postcount=13)

[Kwik-E-Mart]

Finally, Surrey decides to grow up... with employment towers located next to SkyTrain stations! Also it will give Downtown Vancouver a run for its money

[g35]

So this is in addition to Central City and the second Central City I read about on this forum (2009)? That's pretty impressive either way, thanks for posting.

[Jared]

Here's an aerial photo from roughly the same perspective:

http://www.globalairphotos.com/images/bc/surrey/2005/syh2005_613.jpg

Looks like they'll be building on that little patch of grass.

[vitc]

Impressive indeed!

[vanman]

Here's an aerial photo from roughly the same perspective:

http://www.globalairphotos.com/images/bc/surrey/2005/syh2005_613.jpg

Looks like they'll be building on that little patch of grass.

Oh no! Not the grassy knoll!!! (see UBC thread)

[LeftCoaster]

^ See dallas circa 1963

[vanman]

^That was rough.

[cc85]

http://www.avisonyoung.com/library/property/lease/Gateway%20Picture.jpg
Source (http://www.avisonyoung.com/Vancouver/Property_Listings/For_Lease/Office_Headlease/736/)

"Phase I of this 5 phase, 600,000 sq. ft. office park is scheduled for completion in early 2010

whos been smoking the good stuff lately? the writer of the ad has been.

[crazyjoeda]

Here's an aerial photo from roughly the same perspective:

http://www.globalairphotos.com/images/bc/surrey/2005/syh2005_613.jpg


This is an impressive shot. Not often can you see downtown Vancouver from Surrey. It makes Surrey appear to be closer to Vancouver.

Someone should build a building that tall in Surrey. That would be crazy.

[excel]

Impressive development.

[jhausner]

Just read a report on commercial sites in development in the Lower Mainland and they are listing (this was end of 2007):

Name: Gateway Office Park Building A
City: Surrey
Address: 108th Ave. & City Parkway
Date Complete: 2010
Typical Floor Size: 20,000
Floors: 5
Available Square Footage: 146,200

Name: Gateway Office Park Building B
City: Surrey
Address: 108th Ave. & City Parkway
Date Complete: 2010
Typical Floor Size: 17,500
Floors: 13
Available Square Footage: 266,300

Name: Gateway Office Park Building E
City: Surrey
Address: 108th Ave. & City Parkway
Date Complete: 2010
Typical Floor Size: 15,000
Floors: 7
Available Square Footage: 138,000

So they do seem quite a bit smaller than is illustrated in the picture. 13 floors being the highest listed would put the building around 40 metres only, almost 30 metres shorter than Station Tower right next to the project.

[LeftCoaster]

Well guys I have great news... I was wrong!

Well sort of.

The total office square footage of this project will still be 600 000sf buuuuut....

They have added two residential towers as well, which forced them to put the misplaced office space into a taller office tower. Now dont get too excited, it will only be slightly taller than the tower which is already there, but still this is a pleasant surprise. The development now looks somehting like this:

Building A: 30 floor residential @ 230,000sf

Building B: 24 floor residential @ 170,000sf

Building C: 9 floor Office @ 150,000sf

Building D: 3 floor Office @ 36,000sf

Building E: 21 floor office @ 314,000sf

And as an added bonus... renders!

Site Overview with residential towers in the foreground and office towers in the rear

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/mattcav/7.jpg

The new office building with residential towers in the rear and existing office tower on the left.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/mattcav/1-1.jpg

A diagram of the green attributes of the development

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/mattcav/8.jpg

And some model pics

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/mattcav/5.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/mattcav/4-1.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/mattcav/3-1.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/mattcav/2-1.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/mattcav/6.jpg

[jlousa]

Good job. :tup:

[vanman]

Nice! I knew that there had to be residentials mixed in with this development cause in the render it looked like there were way too many towers to only add up to 600,000 sqft.

[officedweller]

Nice!
Thanks!

[Volksboi]

Wow, That looks GREAT! Does anyone know when its slated to start?

[SFUVancouver]

Great news. Thanks Left Coaster, much appreciated!

Textbook TOD.

[vanlaw]

It's finally going to shape up how it was envisioned when the first towers were built back in the 90's. Nice.

[Hot Rod]

looks great. Congrats to Surrey, finally a real TOD!

[officedweller]

It's finally going to shape up how it was envisioned when the first towers were built back in the 90's. Nice.

My thoughts too.

[mr.x]

wow.....nice! thx!

[squeezied]

looking good

[deasine]

Interesting to see that it's going to be a mixture of both office and residential... in fact that's what the area will probably become.

[jhausner]

Wow glad I was wrong too.... :-| And the report I read lol. Maybe that's where teh confusion was. We were thinking it was being reduced when in fact the project was being increased!

Awesome news.

[excel]

great project, this area is going to change drastically in the next decade.

[raggedy13]

A great addition to up-and-coming "Downtown Surrey". :cheers:

[giallo]

Excellent development. The Surrey jokes of old won't hold any water soon. We'll need a new city in Metro Vancouver to make fun of.

[LeftCoaster]

Step to the plate langley!

Oh and MrX you can change the title of this thread to 5 towers, 1 million square feet.

[cc85]

its cool, good for them to go wit a mixed-use in that location, spruce the area up a bit.

[cornholio]

There is a bonus residential tower not built or mentioned yet pictured in a few of those renderings. It has been proposed for a while though(could be wrong but I think it will be 39 stories).
Anyways the fact that its pictured in the rendering probably means that it has moved along and official announcement should be on its way(i hope).

Its on the west side of the guide way and south of all the built towers.

[Kwik-E-Mart]

NICE! That's all I can say

[CC420]

There is a bonus residential tower not built or mentioned yet pictured in a few of those renderings. It has been proposed for a while though(could be wrong but I think it will be 39 stories).
Anyways the fact that its pictured in the rendering probably means that it has moved along and official announcement should be on its way(i hope).

Its on the west side of the guide way and south of all the built towers.

Ya I noticed that as well cornholio. Most of the block it may sit on is being developed into lowrise condos, but there still is room for a highrise to squeeze in......I think. Lets cross our fingers.

[jhausner]

There is a bonus residential tower not built or mentioned yet pictured in a few of those renderings. It has been proposed for a while though(could be wrong but I think it will be 39 stories).
Anyways the fact that its pictured in the rendering probably means that it has moved along and official announcement should be on its way(i hope).

Its on the west side of the guide way and south of all the built towers.

The one I have lsited for that is 33 storeys developed by G5 Properties Ltd. 13433 Gateway Drive so that places it where that building in the rendering is.

Says it is in the Servicing Agreement Stage (passed third reading April 26th 2007). No idea what the hold up is.

I also see 3 others listed. One registered as 0793260 B.C. Ltd. with an address of 10925 West Whalley Ring Road. Claimed to be 27 storeys (Project review stage as of December 2007). Another 2 are behind the one you mentioned (the lot just north of there) which are proposed as 34 storey and 39 storey high-rises developed by Seagate Properties (Project review also).

So all and all if the plans go through and buildings built, you'll see another 4 towers built in addition to the Gateway park portion (3 towers looks like) and if you add on City Point, that's 9 towers total in the Gateway block.

Not too bad.

[jhausner]

It's now listed officially as app # 7908-0112-00:

Three office buildings containing approximately 47,000 square metres (500,000 square feet) of office and retail space and two high-rise apartment towers containing a total of 450 units.

[officedweller]

Downs Archambault (now DA Architects) has updated their website with the project:

http://www.da-architects.ca/projects/gateway-business-park-surrey-bc/

Overview
This development is designated as mixed-use with office space, restaurants, retail, high-rise residential building, underground parking, and offers significant public access open space. This project is designed to achieve the LEED Gold level of sustainable implementation, starting with offering recycling space on site. Some of the issues addressed in the design will be water efficiency and conservation through rainwater harvesting and re-use. A vital part of the storm water management initiative will be green roofs.


http://www.da-architects.ca/wordpress/images/featuredprojects/large/gateway-business-park-surrey-bc/project.jpg

http://da-architects.ca/wordpress/images/featuredprojects/Gateway-image-04.jpg http://da-architects.ca/wordpress/images/featuredprojects/Gateway-image-10.jpg

[LeftCoaster]

Although the development is still in the middle stages of its design phase the city of Surrey is attempting to fast track this development so we may see action here sooner than expected!

I dont know how much difference this could make, as Surrey's political scene is quite foreign to me, but it sounds as though there is alot of enthusiasm for this project from both the developer and city's camps.

[giallo]

As there should be. This is one project that looks like it could help change the face of Surrey as we know it.

[excel]

thanks for the news.

[paradigm4]

A sign has gone up on the site

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3275/2869893282_db875f73d0.jpg

[Cypherus]

^That's great news. Thanks paradigm. It certainly looks like development will being streamlined.

[Whalleyboy]

i was looking around and came across these

images and info are from http://www.mcmparchitects.com/projects.cfm?ProjectID=170&cmd=next

http://www.mcmparchitects.com/img/photos/Gateway%20Bus%20Prk%20Site%20Plan.jpg

http://www.mcmparchitects.com/img/photos/Gateway%20Bus%20Prk%20Perspective.jpg

http://www.mcmparchitects.com/img/photos/Gateway%20Bus%20Prk%20Streetscenel.jpg

Situated on a primary artery in a gateway location, next to existing on-site SkyTrain Station and Station Tower office building, the site marks the entrance to the Central Business District that is developing around Surrey Central City. The overall program for Gateway Office Park is to develop maximum AAA office space in balance with an appropriate amount of parking, residential and retail uses in a comprehensive mixed use development.

The project consists of 5 potential footprints for high and low rise buildings, total of 500,000 sf of office/commercial and 400,000 sf of residential within a campus-like urban landscape setting. This creates “permeability” from the street and SkyTrain Station for pedestrians and views for office tenants, and residents. This arrangement capitalizes on views to the project from the streets and SkyTrain approach. This project is committed to LEED Gold for Core and Shell.

The Gateway Business Park is designed by Musson Cattell Mackey Partnership and DA Architects + Partners.

[metroXpress]

^ Great to see updates

[Whalleyboy]

i dont know if those are updates cause its missing a building

[Cypherus]

i dont know if those are updates cause its missing a building

They're all there; the one in question is behind the left building situated on the forefront. There also seems to be a redesign of the podium with the oval shaped building situated on top.

[Whalleyboy]

look at the pictures on the first page you'll see theres a little short one missing

plus the ad i read on this said 500,000 sf of office/commercial
imstead of 600, 000 sf

[metroXpress]

^ Oops...I guess it is not a good update. Perhaps they are cutting some buildings and building less now in the new plan?

[Whalleyboy]

see thats what i thought also might be with this so i figured any news is news also i add what the site said about it

[officedweller]

Looks like a rejigging to me - there seems to be better spacing between the towers in the new plan.

[Whalleyboy]

from what i've seen i think it is too
although if that is there losing about 100,000 sq ft of office space
but i do like the lay out better on this one cause there no little lame plain building

[rbostyle]

I'm also thinking it's a rework of the plan.

The MCM site now has a fly-through clip of the development, which includes the City Point towers, the 1st and 2nd phase of Access, and the newer low-rise residential buildings west of Access... and that tower further west along the track. This all leads me to believe it's new.. but then why isn't Access phase 3 in?

Head to the MCM site to view it here: http://www.mcmparchitects.com/commercial.cfm?ProjectID=56

http://on.nicholsonroad.com/urban/gateway/gateway.jpg

http://on.nicholsonroad.com/urban/gateway/gateway2.jpg

Head to the MCM site to view it here: http://www.mcmparchitects.com/commercial.cfm?ProjectID=56

[Whalleyboy]

thats good news means they might still be going up soonish then=D

[Whalleyboy]

also the one right beside station tower looks bigger this way

[Canadian Mind]

Huh, haven't looked at this for awhile.

I liek the new, more spacious layout with the water features, even if it means surrey is losing 100 000 square feet of office space. Though with us coming out of a reccession, there might be pressure to build more space again.

regardless, nice looking project. look forward to seeing it go up in a few years.

[metroXpress]

It looks great....any idea when the construction will start? Did the city of Surrey approve the development yet??

[Whalleyboy]

i think the look of it makes it worth losing 100 000sq feet

i never did like the short boxy looking one

[jhausner]

It doesn't look like they've removed much. it actually looks like the 2 storey building that has been 'lost' has actually been turned into an expansion of th base floor of the subbed towers in the complex. So I'd be surprised if a lot of square footage has actually been lost if any ultimately.

Probably a better design overall because it spaces things a bit better and a large and wider ground floor means better options for ground based retail in the area. Recall there is a lot of residential around there that could benefit from upgrade ground retail. It could also provide space to places that are currently across the street on 108th so that the current low density commercial there could be cleared out and additional densification can start there (across from both gateway and citypoint).

[red-paladin]

I love how the Skytrain stations have become 'nodes' for densification. Even if it has taken 15+ years, we are seeing towers around all the Surrey stations except Scott Road, New West is coming along, and Brentwood, Gilmore and Holdom are growing like mushrooms. In fact, as soon as Holdom station was built, the legacy towers were being planned. Even Joyce-Collingwood, which is in Vancouver, is densifying. And we all thought that Vancouver would never allow towers outside of the downtown peninsula and the Broadway corridor.

[LeftCoaster]

Even M-Line Renfrew is seeing some serious densification with the addition of Broadway Tech Centre and the various other smaller developments around it.

[Whalleyboy]

the density in that area already is great. Its gonna be amazing when these...if these get done. it really makes me wish there was more density towards central city tower even one tower would be nice. it always looks so lonely=(

[CoryHolmes]

more density towards central city tower even one tower would be nice. it always looks so lonely=(

Just wait until Central City II is built. Then it'll have a big brother to keep it company :D

[metroXpress]

the density in that area already is great. Its gonna be amazing when these...if these get done. it really makes me wish there was more density towards central city tower even one tower would be nice. it always looks so lonely=(

yea.....I am there all the time....always sooooo lonely :(

[Whalleyboy]

central 2 wont be for a while. I'm waiting for ultra right now.
also i can't wait for the gap between central and gateways gets some more towers. theres to much of a gap

[whalley13]

There is a new sign up on the property with a phone number to book leases...I am wondering if this project is any closer to going ahead|?

[Whalleyboy]

just thought i post the image from the new board since its nice
http://www.avisonyoung.com/library/property/lease/Gateway%20Building%20-%20Surrey%20WEB.jpg
from http://www.avisonyoung.com/Vancouver/Property_Listings/For_Lease/Office_Headlease/736/

[paradigm4]

just thought i post the image from the new board since its nice
http://www.avisonyoung.com/library/property/lease/Gateway%20Building%20-%20Surrey%20WEB.jpg
from http://www.avisonyoung.com/Vancouver/Property_Listings/For_Lease/Office_Headlease/736/

Good find. Says it will be ready for occupancy in 2012, which is a bit hard to believe considering they haven't even submitted a DP to the City.

[tybuilding]

Good find. Says it will be ready for occupancy in 2012, which is a bit hard to believe considering they haven't even submitted a DP to the City.

I like the Green Roofs!

[Whalleyboy]

I really hope these start soon

[jhausner]

I'd love to be wrong but I have major doubts as to being complete by 2012. Construction timelines are just way too tight. To build most towers that size takes 1 1/2 years alone so unless they are doing the entire project at the same time and starting tomorrow, very unlikely.

[whalley13]

I think from that posting they are only refering to phase 1

[SpongeG]

is it all office spacE?

[Whalleyboy]

No the two in the back near the tracks are suppose to be residential

[SpongeG]

ah they all look sleek

[Whalleyboy]

I really love how Surrey is making sure all the towers going up in central have a great design

[NewfBC]

No the two in the back near the tracks are suppose to be residential

The 'round' one in the back, near the tracks is the existing tower.

Ron.

[Whalleyboy]

I know the "round one" which is station tower is near the track
but the other two will also be beside the track and those will be residential guess i should have said the two on the right to be more clear since that last picture doesnt show the tracks. But if you look back at other pictures you will see they are

[jhausner]

I think from that posting they are only refering to phase 1

Hmm good point. I really dislike phasing in all these projects. It almost ALWAYS results in the project never being completed. "Huge project coming to <insert city here>. Phase 1 of 20 will start construction in 2 years."

*smacks forehead*

I guess it makes sense since very few companies can pony up the amount to build such a large project at once but it just is frustrating especially in Surrey. Hell even the new City Hall is multi-phased.

[whalley13]

The problem is prolly not enough tenants...residential is one thing, people all have to live somewhere live and as long people are moving into surrey shouldn't be a problem....

the problem is commercial tenants...we are competing with burnaby and vancouver by offer cheaper rates...but that doesn't offer much of an incentive to build new commercial space imo

its hard to believe anything in whalley, in the private section, is actually happening until there are shovels in the ground

[SpongeG]

its too bad they are building so much office and commercial space in the middle of nowhere - i was out at 192 and 24th area - holy crap its exploding down there with construction and office parks and stuff going up

[phesto]

its too bad they are building so much office and commercial space in the middle of nowhere - i was out at 192 and 24th area - holy crap its exploding down there with construction and office parks and stuff going up

The area you're describing is called Campbell Heights. That is not "office and commercial space", it's industrial/flex space, very different. Those buildings typically contain small office components, but they're industrial. They are not the same as suburban office parks and they're not competing for the types of companies who would lease office space at Gateway.

[SpongeG]

yes i know that but still way out in the middle of nowhere its very weird to come across - you're driving through trees and sprawling houses and wham huge office park - thats what I call them regardless of what they house inside - and judging from some of the business names and looks of their offices they looked like some of them could be housed in an office building - pharamasave's office is in some weird building on 200th another missed opportunity

[whalley13]

The sign is covered in graffitti a sure sign that no one is paying attn to the site.....i think this project is going nowhere in the near future

[Whalleyboy]

well i just saw the other day in the council latest notes that they had just passed the final approval for the site

[Metro-One]

I would really like to see this site get moving, and soon.

When was the last time a new tower broke ground in Surrey?

Again, Surrey frustrates me sooooooo much, in the past 10 years it has really talked the talk but it seems to slow to walk the walk.

I need to see at least this project (in full) and Ultra break ground soon to have any confidence restored in Surreys ability to bring tower proposals to life with a shed of constancy.

Currently I have as much faith in Surrey to build tall towers as I do in downtown Vancouver building new office towers ;)

[whalley13]

Any updates on this project?

[Whalleyboy]

I havent seen anything yet and this is one i've been constantly looking into

[Whalleyboy]

So reading up about this project i came across this
In 1990, Intrawest Developments rezoned 8 hectares (20 acres) of land to the north of 108 Avenue between 133A Street and King George Highway in order to permit the development of a high-density, mixed-used project called Gateway.
The Gateway project was to consist of 4 high-rise office buildings and 11 high-rise residential buildings
One high-rise office building and two high-rise residential buildings were built in the early 1990s, immediately following the rezoning of the lands.
Also in 1995, an additional high-rise residential building was constructed along West Whalley Ring Road in accordance with the original plan for Gateway.
Really sad to see there was so much planned long ago and nothing really happened. Also i would love to see what the original plan looked like for that area.

[tybuilding]

So reading up about this project i came across this

Really sad to see there was so much planned long ago and nothing really happened. Also i would love to see what the original plan looked like for that area.

At least there have been another 2 added!

[Whalleyboy]

Oh and heres some pictures not on here
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/whalley_boy/layout.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/whalley_boy/closeup.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/whalley_boy/closeup2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/whalley_boy/allsurrey.jpg
pics from my photobucket

[Metro-One]

Man, I really hope there is some movement on this project in the near future.

But I must say one of the ugliest lots in Whalley that I can not wait to see redeveloped is the one directly east of the skytrain guideway at gateway station on the south side of 108th Ave.

The last few times I have looked down on that parcel riding skytrain all I have seen is mounds of garbage (last time including a couch and several full black garbage bags, and a shopping cart of course) thrown amongst tall grass and muddy soil. Also there was a homeless person tented under one of the trees and sleeping at 4pm (good to see him trying so hard to better himself and find work in the mid afternoon on a weekday......)

I honestly feel that is one of the aspects slowing down Whalley's revival, the fact that all the empty lots are full of garbage and even disposed furniture. Empty lots are part of a developing area, but they don't have to look like garbage dumps.

That would honestly turn me right off from buying a condo in the area. Same goes for many of the greenbelts and small ravines along the skytrain guideway from Scott Road to Gateway.

[Whalleyboy]

I'm hoping when they build the skateboard park all those cocky little skater kids will get rid of some of the people around that area

[hollywoodnorth]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/whalley_boy/allsurrey.jpg
pics from my photobucket

the new logo is cool ... looks like the new Port Mann bridge?

[Whalleyboy]

I'd say its designed to look like skytrain since that makes more sense with this being connected to skytrain

[CoryHolmes]

*sniff* When will we get the nice things in Surrey?

[red-paladin]

*sniff* When will we get the nice things in Surrey?

When the people realize you only need one strip bar, one money mart, one pawn shop, one massage parlour, one porn store, one gun shop and one fast food outlet that has a buzzer and lock on the bathroom door per square block.

[sryboy]

[QUOTE=Whalleyboy;5024510]Oh and heres some pictures not on here

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/whalley_boy/closeup.jpg

This office park has a campus feel/look to it. Maybe they are in talks with Telus to move there highly anticipated new data to central city.
In reality you just have to look around metro-van to see that there isn't as a huge demand for office space right now as there was pre-recession. Just look at metro tower III. I think it will eventually get built but not anytime soon.

[Gaijin Punch]

When the people realize you only need one strip bar, one money mart, one pawn shop, one massage parlour, one porn store, one gun shop and one fast food outlet that has a buzzer and lock on the bathroom door per square block.

More like when market demand allows for it to be built. You can't just build an office complex and hope tenants will come. Direct office absorption rates should be positive, lease rates should be high enough and vacancy should be low enough to make the project feasible from a developers perspective. Gotta have a primary tenant signed on and ready to go as well. If the market demand does not warrant an office complex of this magnitude, it just won't be built.

[jhausner]

I do believe as with many office projects it is on hold pending locking up lease tenants. So if you want these built, start petitioning some large corporations to move out to Surrey and lease the space. :cool: Office projects as has been mentioned typically wait for all the space to be leased before they crack ground. Most estimates are futile since the market is still fairly volatile.

If I was a guessing man though I'd say don't expect them for another 2 years.

[jlousa]

Looks like another swing and a miss for Surrey.

Block B and C which were the 21 and 11 storey office towers have been deferred indefinitely with an update expected in 2012. Due to lack of tenant interest.

[whalley13]

to be expected, any updates on the residential part of this project? i think those have a good chance of going up, as brookland is almost done and citypoint seems to be doing well....it is even picking up commercial tenants for the residents. Plus they have started the demo for the ravine road project, at 132 and king george....all good signs for the neighborhood at least for residential developement