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LordMandeep
Apr 25, 2008, 4:02 PM
Top court says random drug searches unlawful breaches of privacy

By The Canadian Press


OTTAWA - Canada's top court says both a random high-school search and one at a Calgary bus terminal were unlawful, calling them breaches of privacy.

The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled 6-3 that neither search was based on a reasonable prior suspicion of a criminal act.

The first case stems from the sudden arrival in 2002 of police and a canine team at St. Patrick's high school in Sarnia, Ont.

Students were confined to classrooms for about two hours while a drug-sniffing dog eventually led officers to a pile of backpacks in an empty gymnasium - one containing bags of marijuana and some magic mushrooms.

"The subject matter of the sniff is not public air space," said the decision in the high-school case. "It is the concealed contents of the backpack.

"As with briefcases, purses and suitcases, backpacks are the repository of much that is personal. . . . Teenagers may have little expectation of privacy from the searching eyes and fingers of their parents, but they expect the contents of their backpacks not to be open to the random and speculative scrutiny of the police. This expectation is a reasonable one that society should support."

The companion case involved a man found with cocaine and heroin after his bags were flagged by a drug-sniffing dog at a Calgary bus terminal in January 2002.

A student identified only as A.M. was charged with possession of marijuana for the purpose of trafficking in the school case, while Gurmakh Kang Brown was charged in the second case.

Police had no search warrant or prior tip that there were drugs in the school. The officers had instead visited on the basis of a long-standing invitation from school officials.

At trial, the drugs were excluded as evidence and the charges dropped.

The Ontario Court of Appeal unanimously upheld the acquittal, describing the case as "a warrantless, random search with the entire student body held in detention."

Said the Supreme Court: "The dog-sniff search was unreasonably undertaken because there was no proper justification."

"While the sniffer-dog search may have been seen by the police as an efficient use of their resources, and by the principal of the school as an efficient way to advance a zero-tolerance policy, these objectives were achieved at the expense of the privacy interest (and constitutional rights) of every student in the school.

In the other case, the Alberta Court of Appeal majority said that Brown was neither unlawfully detained nor illegally searched.

The top court disagreed.

"Any perceived gap in the present state of the law on police investigative powers arising from the use of sniffer dogs is a matter better left for Parliament," said the Brown decision.

It called any court-based solutions that would reduce the standard of scrutiny into state intrusion into privacy "an (inappropriate) exercise of judicial power" in the circumstances.

"When rights and interests as fundamental as personal privacy and autonomy are at stake, the constitutional role of the court suggests that the creation of a new and more intrusive power of search and seizure should be left to Parliament to set up and justify under a proper statutory framework."



http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080425/national/scoc_school_searches

A few years ago I was all for more security and for more government intervention in our lives. However, after reading a few novels about future dystopia and utopias, my views changed completely. Sure 1984 is pure fiction but it scared the crap out of me. :(

I dislike the growing power of the police in our country. I dislike the fact that the phrase "innocent till proven guilty" is now becoming "guilty to proven innocent" and if your innocent your still somehow a criminal. :sly: However, the thing that disgust me the most, is that people do not even care about such issues. :hell:

Look the police have the right to search people, but they must have a reason. Sure in schools if there is a known threat then they should be called, but treating everyone like a criminal is bad idea.

What I am about to say is controversial, but I believe in it 100%. I think the price of a few people being killed by nut jobs is worth not living in a police state. I said this in a politics class in grade 12, a while back and well I split the class and started an hour long argument.

RTA
Apr 25, 2008, 4:10 PM
The problem seems to be the people who continually push our freedoms to the limit, such as by bringing drugs to school or a bus terminal, and then flaunt them in the courts such as in this case. I agree with the freedoms we have and don't want to see that changed, but I'm afraid that the people who abuse them are going to make things worse for the rest of us.

LordMandeep
Apr 25, 2008, 4:17 PM
Well there are two views to this topic.

One the person had drugs, so what he is searched without a warrant...

The other, is would you like it if the police dog sniffed you all the time? Sure, one can say it is only a dog sniffing you and it is for the "Greater Good" of society. My concern is what’s next?

cornholio
Apr 25, 2008, 9:19 PM
When I was younger they had a community mobile police unit next to a bus loop, a cop ended up randomly trying to search my bag just for the fact that I was young and had a bag on a weekend. I tried to refuse and he almost smashed my head through the glass at a bus shelter. He then proceeded to search my bag to find, um, nothing. It was humiliating and degrading.

There is no place for this in our society, you need a warrant to search someone, plain and simple. A persons bag is their bag and their privacy no matter what they have in it until the time their actions or whatever give enough probable cause to be searched. People who disagree with all of this are just short sighted idiots.

Only The Lonely..
Apr 26, 2008, 12:07 AM
I don't know about this..

There are public places where our civil liberties should be trumped, airports are a great example.

Why not at school?

If you ask me, the penalty for pushing crack to a kid should be a bullet between the eyes.

Spocket
Apr 26, 2008, 1:28 AM
I agree that random searches are a violation of a person's privacy but the way the article seems to portray the first case at least, I'm not sure that that was really any sort of invasion.

Really, this is kind of silly. Common sense seems to dictate that it's better to have dogs sniffing around schools for backpacks full of drugs than to allow drug dealers to sell their products to our children. If we value our right to privacy while in public above the futures of our children then perhaps we've got the wrong idea to begin with. I mean, isn't it reasonable to expect a drug-free place to send our kids to every day where they're supposed to be learning instead of getting stoned ? If you're selling meth or crack to your classmates , do you really deserve the right to operate under the defacto protection of the law ?

As I said, this is silly. Why can't we say "No, we're bringing dogs in to our high schools and these dogs sniff for drugs. We're doing this so that we can provide drug-free schools. Stop bringing backpacks full of narcotics to school and we'll stop sending dogs in to find them." ? There's no slippery slope here because illicit drugs are illegal to begin with. Dogs might mess up and get somebody to open up their back pack even though the kid was simply exposed to marijuana smoke. Oh well. Are they carrying their dirty gitch in there or something ?

I'm trying to figure out who loses here exactly and so far, only law abiding folk who want their schools to be sober places of learning for their children are on the shit end of this stick. The dealers win with this ruling and nobody else does.

vid
Apr 26, 2008, 1:31 AM
The dealers would lose if we legalized it. Making drugs, especially pot, illegal, just gives organized crime a monopoly on that market.



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