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SFUVancouver
04-26-2008, 05:13 AM
Toronto commuters stunned as transit union walks off the job

Last Updated: Saturday, April 26, 2008 | 1:03 AM ET
CBC News (source) (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/04/25/ttc.html)

Transit riders across Toronto were shocked to discover locked-up subway stations and out-of-service buses starting at midnight Friday after the Toronto Transit Commission walked off the job in a surprise strike.

A news release from the Amalgamated Transit Union's Local 113 went out just over an hour before the strike began announcing 65 per cent of its members had voted against ratifying a tentative contract agreement reached last weekend.

Mayor David Miller blasted the union for failing to provide 48-hours notice of a strike. "This is unacceptable and it's also irresponsible," he told a news conference.

Miller said Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty has agreed to help by trying to introduce back-to-work legislation.

"I informed the mayor that we will be proceeding with back-to-work legislation at the first available opportunity," McGuinty said in a release early Saturday.

The vote came as a surprise for many Torontonians who thought they were in the clear after the union, representing about 8,900 operating and maintenance employees, reached a last-minute deal last Sunday in time to avert a strike the next day. At the time, commuters were given 48-hours notice.

But Bob Kinnear, the head of the Amalgamated Transit Union, defended the suddenness of the walkout, saying it was to protect the safety of TTC workers.

He said in a news release that TTC workers were the target of threats and abuse from passengers last weekend after the union gave its original two days' strike notice.

"We have assessed the situation and decided that we will not expose our members to the dangers of assaults from angry and irrational members of the public," Kinnear said.

"We have a legal responsibility to protect the safety of our members and so does the TTC."

But many commuters were caught unaware late Friday night and were frustrated by the lack of notice this time around.

Angela Dugas, 22, who works at the University of Toronto library, said her supervisor rushed over around 11 p.m. ET to tell her about the strike and let her leave early so she could try to get home in time.

"I'm just keeping my fingers crossed for Monday," said Dugas, who relies entirely on the TTC because can't hold a driver's licence because of epilepsy.

She said she's conflicted because she does know people who work with the transit service, but called the lack of notice "ridiculous."

Other commuters were arriving at stations to find the doors already locked. Amber Brown was dropped off by friends at Woodbine station to discover the TTC was on strike. "That's crazy," she said.

"I don't think they should be allowed to go on strike," she said, adding that it will leave the city paralyzed.

The Ministry of Labour has asked both parties to return to the bargaining table at 1 p.m. Saturday.

The union said it will meet Saturday morning to discuss its next steps and wouldn't speak to the media until after that.

The union said it will be meeting Saturday morning to discuss its next steps and wouldn't speak to the media until after that discussion.

About 1.5 million riders use the TTC every workday.


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Striking TTC workers will be ordered back, Miller says
UNNATI GANDHI AND JEFF GRAY

Globe and Mail (source) (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080426.wttc0425/BNStory/National/home)

April 26, 2008 at 12:52 AM EDT

TORONTO — A visibly angry David Miller said he has secured an agreement with the province to bring in back-to-work legislation as soon as possible after thousands of transit riders found themselves stranded Saturday morning when TTC workers went out on strike.

Subways, streetcars and buses ground to a halt at midnight.

The mayor told a late night, hurriedly arranged press conference at city hall that the union's decision to walk out after the failing to ratify a tentative agreement, and abandon an earlier pledge to give Torontonians 48-hours notice of any strike, was “unacceptable” and “irresponsible.”

He said he had demanded in a phone conversation with union leader Bob Kinnear that he give 48 hours notice, but Mr. Kinnear refused.

“We've got people downtown tonight who might have relied on public transit. How are they going to get home?” Mr. Miller asked.

In a statement e-mailed to The Globe and Mail, Premier Dalton McGuinty said he will “proceed with back to work legislation at the first available opportunity to end service disruption with the TTC.”

It was unclear whether the legislation – which would require all-party approval to pass quickly – could be passed in an emergency session of the legislature tomorrow. City hall sources suggested this was possible.

Mr. Miller also said he would be reconsidering his opposition to the idea of having the province declare the TTC an essential service, like police or firefighters, to take away the union's right to strike permanently.

The tentative deal required a 50-per-cent plus one vote to pass.

Instead, 65 per cent of votes by members of Local 113 of the Amalgamated Transit Union, which represents 9,000 operating and maintenance Toronto Transit Commission employees, were cast against the tentative agreement.

“We have assessed the situation and decided that we will not expose our members to the dangers of assaults from angry and irrational members of the public,” Mr. Kinnear said in a statement.

“The reports from our members of increases in threats and abuse from passengers last weekend, after we gave our original 48-hours' notice, has left us no choice but to withdraw our services immediately. We have a legal responsibility to protect the safety of our members and so does the TTC.”

He said the union would not make any further comments until a meeting with the union board's executives Saturday morning.

The TTC maintenance workers – known to be a more militant wing of the union that is believed to have instigated the one-day illegal strike in May, 2006 – were reportedly unhappy with the tentative deal, raising concerns about contracting out repairs to buses.

But the TTC suggested in a statement Friday night that there was no issue around contracting out in the tentative agreement, saying that its bus manufacturer “is responsible” for repairs under warranty, but that in fact a “substantial amount” of that work is actually done by TTC employees and charged back to the bus company.

In the last legal walkout by TTC workers was in 1999, which lasted two days, traffic congestion increased but the worst-case scenarios feared by some city officials did not materialize.

The surprise strike came after a tumultuous two weeks of negotiations and meetings.

An eleventh-hour deal last Sunday came just in time to avert a strike that would have paralyzed the city last Monday morning.

But after a meeting held for union members to discuss the deal Wednesday night, reports of discontent among union executive board members and the transit agency's maintenance workers began to circulate.

Friday night's vote confirmed those fears.

Subway, streetcar, bus and Scarborough RT service is cancelled until further notice. Limited Wheel-Trans service, however, will remain in place for customers who must attend medical appointments for chemotherapy, dialysis and other life-threatening illnesses, the TTC said in a statement.

On the streets, TTC riders and drivers alike were caught by surprise.

In the minutes before midnight word of the strike spread among TTC riders unsure of how they'd get home.

“Fuck TTC, Fuck TTC!” chanted one group of disgruntled riders outside the Davisville subway station.

Minutes earlier, Al Evans, a bus driver, had pulled the 97A bus out of the depot and embarked north on Yonge Street.

“No one's told me anything about a strike,” he said, as he began to radio central command.

“I hope there isn't one because it's Friday night and people got to get home.”

Mr. Evans said he voted no to the agreement because he had friends who were maintenance workers, and it didn't look out for their interests.

“I didn't see anything wrong with the transit side of things, but I had to vote no because they're contracting out the maintenance work,” he said. “That's what a union is all about, you got to look out for your co-workers.”

John Conley, 32, was riding eastbound on the Bloor-Danforth line when he heard the news. He uses the subway every day to go to work at Yonge and Front as a bank manager. The only alternative he has to get there from his Avenue Road and St. Clair Avenue home is to walk.

“It's going to put the city into gridlock. That's unfortunate.”

Another reason he doesn't like the strike: “I might have to cancel a date on Saturday. That would suck. I don't get many of those.”

Roughly 1.4 million riders use the transit system every day.

GO Transit, which saw a big increase in ridership in the 1999 strike, has warned that it has no extra buses or trains to alleviate crowding in the event of a TTC walkout.

Meanwhile, taxi companies were bracing for a busier than normal Saturday morning as stranded passengers looked for ways home.

Royal Taxi shift supervisor Daniel Ghirmay said the company had “an emergency plan in place” and that extra drivers had been called in.

Workers at the Wilson subway storage yard said they were not allowed to comment on the situation. One did say, however, that he hoped a contract could be reached before Monday morning.

“I don't think anyone is happy about this, but I guess someone thinks this is a good idea,” said the worker.

As the midnight shift at the Hillcrest maintenance yard drew to a close, a small group of workers assembled to talk amongst themselves as TTC special constables arrived to discuss gate security.

One passer-by hurled her frustration toward those in the yard.

“Bunch of selfish bastards,” she hissed as she walked by.

Employees in their cars left the complex hastily, refusing to speak to a Globe and Mail reporter.

Toronto police Inspect Cory Bockus said all units had been made aware of the strike, and were ready for any spontaneous bouts of anger.

The deal, which critics of Mayor David Miller have argued was too generous, offered TTC workers improved health benefits and three years of 3-per-cent annual wage increases, that will make TTC drivers the best paid in the Greater Toronto Area.

But in a clause seized on by critics, the deal also offers bus drivers an additional raise in December of 2009 if their pay falls behind that of other Toronto-area drivers, something the union says it deserves because of the demands of driving a bus or a streetcar in the city.

With reports from Kate Hammer, James Bradshaw, Colin MacKenzie, Joy Yokoyama, Melissa Whetstone, and Evan Annett


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I sure hope for the sake of Torontonians that this is all quickly resolved. I still vividly remember Vancouver's summer-long bus strike back in 2001.

graupner
04-26-2008, 06:29 AM
I thought this only happened here.

mersar
04-26-2008, 06:39 AM
Nope, just seems to be more frequent there.

Calgary had a lengthy strike back in 2001 as well, not sure when Edmonton's last strike was but it seems that every other major system has had at least one in the past decade or so.

miketoronto
04-26-2008, 12:36 PM
The TTC union really has lost all my respect. Their memebers don't know how good they have it, and yet they always continue to hold the riders hostage each contract period.
If the job is so bad, and the pay not enough, and benefits, then quit. Oh way, they actually do have it good, but just want more.

Anyway stranding people in the middle of the night, is not good, and it just shows that at the end of the day, the union could care less about the riders who actually pay most of their salaries.

But then that is nothing new, as most TTC workers can't stand transit, and yet still work the TTC.

francely57
04-26-2008, 02:07 PM
We almost got one 2-3 months ago. I heard that it would have been the 16th in 40 years (so yeah, we only got 15 in 40 years).
Montreal had one last year (2007), and I remember one around 2004-2005.

In Toronto/Vancouver/Calgary/Edmonton it seems to be rare at least .

miketoronto
04-26-2008, 02:13 PM
Atleast in Montreal they are only allowed to strike during the midday hours.

DC83
04-26-2008, 02:53 PM
This is BS! TTC workers are the biggest cry-babies ever!
Subway Ops get paid more than most teachers to sit in a train all day.

I know I wont be going to TO until this mess is fixed. Hopefully sooner-than-later!

Wooster
04-26-2008, 02:57 PM
Fuckers! I had to work today, and it forced me to walk an hour and 15 mintues while I have the flu and be late.

Someone at the TTC needs to be pied.

401_King
04-26-2008, 03:59 PM
oh my god man , *** the TTC, i tried to take the subway home after the bars and i got this crap. i was too drunk to figure out that i could walk home so i ended up passing out at chinatown till like 5am

asher11
04-26-2008, 03:59 PM
I heard the Legislature is going to recalled tomorrow to pass back-to-work legislation so this could be over by Monday morning. Otherwise, I'm fucked cause I ain't gonna drive downtown. I knew I should have brought my laptop home on friday.

I kinda wish they'd leave them out for 2 weeks so they'd lose enough that they couldn't make up but that would just be 2 weeks of chaos. As it is they're not going to get any more than they already got in this new contract.

The union is just holding us hostage cause they like to stir the shit and piss everyone off.

wild wild west
04-26-2008, 04:14 PM
That's despicable. My view is that transit workers in major cities should be subject to essential services legislation. Too many people rely on transit to get to work, to school or to wherever they need to go. Have binding arbitration or some other mechanism to resolve labour disputes, I don't care, but transit is an essential service IMO.

Andy6
04-26-2008, 04:16 PM
The PR damage from this is going to be a watershed moment in the history of the TTC, particularly if they can't get the trains going on Monday.

Andy6
04-26-2008, 04:21 PM
That's despicable. My view is that transit workers in major cities should be subject to essential services legislation. Too many people rely on transit to get to work, to school or to wherever they need to go. Have binding arbitration or some other mechanism to resolve labour disputes, I don't care, but transit is an essential service IMO.

Binding arbitration risks driving up labour costs as arbitrators tend to be overly generous in tough economic times. Restricting strikes to off-rush hours, as they do in Montreal, just reduces the "cost" of striking, so you get more strikes. There are no easy answers. Privatizing the TTC and removing the unions would be ideal but it won't ever happen, certainly not with Miller and McGuinty in power.

CanadianCentaur
04-26-2008, 05:09 PM
If I were a Torontonian, I'd be REALLY, REALLY pissed! This is extremely unfortunate for those who can't drive for various reasons.

This better not drag on like it did in Vancouver in 2001. That went on for about four months. Protesters were so angry that they actually dumped some manure in the front of the home of a Translink chairman. The BC Provincial Government in the end had to step in to end the strike.

asher11
04-26-2008, 05:57 PM
I went to the bank this morning at about 11:00. Seemed like less traffic than normal but alot more people walking about than I usually see when I'm running errands on Saturday morning. And yes, some looked pissed.

miketoronto
04-26-2008, 06:35 PM
Privatizing the TTC and removing the unions would be ideal but it won't ever happen, certainly not with Miller and McGuinty in power.

The TTC was formed because private companies where not providing proper transit services to Toronto. Everytime there is a problem people yell privatize, and that is not the answer.
The problem here is the union and not the TTC itself. The union has gotten to powerfull and smug, and that has to be dealt with.
What they did by stranding people in the middle of the night like that, is very bad PR, and I think this time s*** will hit the fan because of this, with the union.

I say bring on the essential services legislation, and ontop of that I would go even further and pull a "CTA" and mandate that all employee's must live within TTC territory. :) Just to give an extra punch.
Far to many TTC employee's live outside of Toronto and don't even support the TTC, and consider the riders a problem and think riders have no other choice, when infact 80% of TTC riders do have a choice to take a car or not.

The mall was much more empty then usual today. Funny how you don't think of the TTC as being that important out in the suburban malls, but it actually is in getting shoppers there.

kitchener-lrt
04-26-2008, 06:58 PM
What a bunch of cry-babies! There's a TFC and Raptors game today, as well as a Green Living show at the EX. People who typically go to these games take transit into the city!
I f**king hate unions!

vid
04-26-2008, 08:11 PM
It could be worse. Unions up here have forced multi-million dollar forestry companies into bankruptcy (which is ironic; they wanted more and ended up losing all of their jobs in the process.)

Remember when it was the employers who were greedy? Oh, if we could go back.

deasine
04-26-2008, 08:19 PM
TTC Strike: Confused Commuters

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TTC Confused Commuters by Global Ontario ~ Video Uploaded by Me

someone123
04-26-2008, 08:26 PM
When I worked in Toronto a couple of summers ago there was a TTC strike. The city was experiencing a minor heatwave (or maybe that was just normal). I got a ride in to my office downtown but it was about 2/3 empty. I ended up leaving at noon and walking 2-3 hours to get home. It was actually pretty fun.

The TTC seems to have many employees who do pointless jobs, like the people who sit by the open wheelchair gates to the subway next to the turnstiles. Much of the subway system could be automated.

niwell
04-26-2008, 09:49 PM
I was in NYC until this afternoon and hadn't heard of this. I figured it out after waiting for a streetcar at the foot of Bathurst for a while (Island airport). That was a fun walk home with all my stuff.

MonkeyRonin
04-27-2008, 01:00 AM
I certainly noticed an increase of vehicular and bicycle traffic today. It rather surreal though...cycling around and seeing no buses or people waiting at stops, subway stations closed up, and the like.


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Rathgrith
04-27-2008, 01:41 AM
oh my god man , *** the TTC, i tried to take the subway home after the bars and i got this crap. i was too drunk to figure out that i could walk home so i ended up passing out at chinatown till like 5am

That seriously sucks balls!

cornholio
04-27-2008, 03:10 AM
I cant believe the amount of pure ignorance in this thread. Looks like most people cant put their own selfish self interest and jealousy to the side when they discuss this topic. The only thing I dont agree with is the fact that the union didnt give a early enough warning of the strike, at this point in time that is now irrelevant and can be dealt with after a deal is reached.

If the workers dont agree with the contract terms and the employer is unwilling to budge then I fully support them and their strike. It is their only bargaining chip. Also transit most certainly is not a essential service, to say it is is just moronic to the 10th degree.

I hope a deal can be reached without some stupid politicians looking to score points getting involved.

401_King
04-27-2008, 03:37 AM
Also transit most certainly is not a essential service, to say it is is just moronic to the 10th degree.


its essential in toronto. i dont know where you live, but this city turns into chaos when TTC is unavailable.

cornholio
04-27-2008, 04:03 AM
its essential in toronto. i dont know where you live, but this city turns into chaos when TTC is unavailable.

It being very convenient and helpful doesnt make it essential. You have two legs to get you from point a to point b, or you can use a car, or a bike or car pool etc. Vancouver had a strike a few years ago that lasted almost 4 months and guess what people made changes and life went on.
Sure its a big inconvenience but thats the point, if it wasnt then there would be no point in striking...especially given the fact that the ttc is a not for profit organization.

youngregina
04-27-2008, 04:14 AM
"For every dollar invested in transit, it creates seven dollars of economic activity" - CTA. Transit is a very essential service for many cities, especially Toronto. Think about how many people rely on transit to get them to work every morning/or night and then think about how much money is lost because people aren't able to work, ( for god only knows how long ). Too much lost productivity can lead to an economic downturn. Not good for a city the size of Toronto. Could you imagine 6 million people clogging the streets with cars and bikes. Not good. Also think about the smog toronto gets. People would be dropping dead left right and centre because of the intense smog. Its bad enough as it is, we don't need more. Sp disagree with everything your saying cornholio. your point is mute considering the situation.

KrisYYC
04-27-2008, 04:30 AM
What's their beef(s)??

rapswin!
04-27-2008, 04:33 AM
Nightclubs quiet due to TTC strike


Apr 26, 2008 11:48 PM
Emily Mathieu

With a sudden TTC strike holding people dependent on public transit hostage, there was a distinct possibility business in the city's Entertainment District would be slow.

Would people bother to come down? More importantly, would people be able to safely catch a cab home? Would girls still wedge their feet into impossibly high heels, faced with the prospect of hoofing it home?

By 9:30 p.m., patios across Queen St. W. — the strip bordering the north side of club land's core — were filling up. People walked the streets in small groups. Noticeably absent was the clatter of the 24-hour streetcar that usually ferries hundreds of club goers through the city's core.

Getting out of a cab at the corner of Queen St. W. and Soho St. were sisters Kate Daley, 24, and Shelagh, 23.

"I was going to drive, but didn't think there'd be any parking," Kate said. The pair came in from Etobicoke, "so it's an inconvenience that the TTC went on strike," Shelagh added.

The sisters didn't have any problems catching a cab to get downtown. Their first stop for the night was a house party, the second a bar in the Queen St. W. and Dufferin St. area. They don't expect to have trouble getting home when the clubs close.

"I think it will be the same," Kate said. "When the bars get out, there's always a run for cabs."

Walking along Richmond St. W. was Oliver Crabbe, with a trio of friends. The group took the GO bus from Oakville to Union Station, and had to walk and skateboard to the club district.

"We had to walk like crazy," Crabbe said. "Normally, we just hop on the subway and zip down here."

By 11 p.m., line-ups outside the city's clubs were starting to grow, but for a relatively balmy night, weren't that big.

"It's obviously going to be slow tonight," said Victor Borges, 26, a promoter for Republik Nightclub, on the corner of Widmer St. and Richmond St. W. "It's 11 o'clock. Usually it's pretty busy by now," he said, pointing at the line outside the club.

Borges said he's not surprised some people would decide to stay home because of the strike, noting the cost of cab rides to the Entertainment District from outlying regions of the GTA.

"It affects a lot of people," he said.

On an average Saturday night, between 60 and 70 police officers are on patrol in the club district. Staff Sgt. John Boyce, with 52 Division, said the majority of people who come down to the club district typically come by cab, private limo, or bus.

"There were no problems here last night, and we don’t expect any problems tonight," he said late Saturday.

"People may have to be a bit patient, but eventually they will get a cab."


Throughout the night, a stream of cabs cruised steadily up and down Queen St. W., many with their lights on, available to take passengers.

Driver Muhammad Tanvir, with Diamond Taxi, said the strike wasn't making drivers exceptionally busy.

'There are three times more cabs in Toronto than are needed," Tanvir said. "Plus, the outside cabs are working in Toronto tonight"

mersar
04-27-2008, 04:34 AM
What's their beef(s)??

The unions? Most that I've heard seem to be in relation to contracting out of maintenance/mechanical work, the wage proposals in the agreement they turned down weren't the issue this time.

cornholio
04-27-2008, 04:35 AM
Looks like some people are forgetting what essential is. Lets see, water, air, basic food, minimal police force to maintain order, basic fire department to be able to handle any fire , and basic emergency health care. It should be obvious that transit doesnt belong among these, hell even hospitals can still strike so long as basic health care services are still provided such as emergency surgeries etc. In any case a city loosing money is exactly the point of the dam strike, I mean what do people expect...the whole point of a strike is to put pressure on the employer, usually finacial but when it comes to something like the ttc then the pressure has to be put on the public via incoveneices.

rapswin!
04-27-2008, 04:36 AM
just imagine if this strike continued on to Monday, thats chaos

francely57
04-27-2008, 04:37 AM
Atleast in Montreal they are only allowed to strike during the midday hours.

Actually they only operate during the essential Mon-Fri rush hours, so roughly 7-9 a.m., and 3-6 p.m., like Andy6 said.


The TTC seems to have many employees who do pointless jobs, like the people who sit by the open wheelchair gates to the subway next to the turnstiles.
You have people employed to do that??

cornholio
04-27-2008, 04:41 AM
The unions? Most that I've heard seem to be in relation to contracting out of maintenance/mechanical work, the wage proposals in the agreement they turned down weren't the issue this time.

Worker safety is the biggest issue and the ttc seems to be ignoring it and unwilling to make any changes. Also there is a issue regarding a new panel that the ttc wants to create to deal with grievances(i could be wrong about these details), but this is a big no no.

Waterlooson
04-27-2008, 05:19 AM
After what the union just pulled, transit service should be declared an essential service in Toronto.... no matter how valid the workers' concerns, they can't justify shutting down Toronto's economy... that's a far bigger concern.

Spocket
04-27-2008, 12:56 PM
Of course transit is an essential service.
Being able to get to work isn't essential where you live cornholio ? People who don't get to work don't get paid. People who don't get paid don't pay their bills. People who don't pay their bills tend to find themselves without food, shelter , and other frivolities such as medical care. Crazy, I know but people actually like to do things like eat.

Sure, that's a worst case scenario. On the other hand, I suppose people could just take cabs to the hospital when they have a health-related emergency. I mean, heck, who needs the hassle of calling an ambulance when a cab can do the same thing so much more cheaply ? And who knows, for a decent tip, the cabbie might even help you into the hospital.

Transit may not be essential for you but for hundreds of thousands of others who can't afford two daily cab rides or who don't have friends going their way every morning and evening, buses and subways are definitely an essential service. Oddly enough, these are generally also the same people who take buses and subways in the first place. Not everybody lives next door to work or has money to burn.

401_King
04-27-2008, 02:35 PM
It being very convenient and helpful doesnt make it essential. You have two legs to get you from point a to point b, or you can use a car, or a bike or car pool etc.

sorry. i just disagree. i could care less what vancouver went thru i dont live there, this is toronto. and toronto turns into chaos without transit. this is the largest usage of transit after NYC in north america, ppl rely on it on a daily basis to earn a living. we arent compact like NYC, toronto is a large area. lets say you are 60 years old and physically unfit with no car. its hard to bike/walk/carpool to downtown when you live near downsview station in North York and need to get to union for work.

401_King
04-27-2008, 02:40 PM
Looks like some people are forgetting what essential is. Lets see, water, air, basic food, minimal police force to maintain order, basic fire department to be able to handle any fire , and basic emergency health care. It should be obvious that transit doesnt belong among these

more people in toronto use transit than police,health care and fire dept. on a daily basis. 1.5 million users. how is it "obvious" that transit does not belong among these?

O-Town Hockey
04-27-2008, 02:55 PM
This is ridiculous. People who don't think public transit is an essential service in Toronto (or any large Canadian city for that matter) should buy a Hummer and move to Arlington, Texas (the largest city in the United States without conventional fixed-route public transportation). Once there you can join a gun club, have tailgate parties with the engine running, and continue to be naiive about the importance of public transit in North America.

AndrewJ3D
04-27-2008, 05:28 PM
Looks like some people are forgetting what essential is. Lets see, water, air, basic food, minimal police force to maintain order, basic fire department to be able to handle any fire , and basic emergency health care. It should be obvious that transit doesnt belong among these, hell even hospitals can still strike so long as basic health care services are still provided such as emergency surgeries etc. In any case a city loosing money is exactly the point of the dam strike, I mean what do people expect...the whole point of a strike is to put pressure on the employer, usually finacial but when it comes to something like the ttc then the pressure has to be put on the public via incoveneices.


If somebody can't get to work, doesn't get paid and now can't afford to make rent, buy groceries, make it to doctor appointments etc, I'd say that transit is an essential service. I'm fortunate enough to live near work I can and do walk or ride my bike. I'm also fortunate enough that I can afford to take cabs and I also have the ability to work from home if I choose. Many people however don't get paid if they can't make it to work, and many of those people earn no where near what TTC employees get. To strike with no notice is just wrong and I hope this is the start to some sort of TTC bitch slap to get this monster back up and running. Until the system and service improves, I don't see why they deserve more money. 75% of their pay comes from riders, and we're the ones that feel the lack of services, aging system, and overcrowding while having to pay more.

1ajs
04-27-2008, 06:14 PM
when did this happen??

wonder how much of an effect this is having on students...............................

asher11
04-27-2008, 06:44 PM
It's all over - the gov legislated them back to work about 1/2 an hour ago. Everything should be up and running in about 4 hours. So, all's a go for tomorrow mornings rush.

theman23
04-27-2008, 08:03 PM
Worker safety is the biggest issue and the ttc seems to be ignoring it and unwilling to make any changes. Also there is a issue regarding a new panel that the ttc wants to create to deal with grievances(i could be wrong about these details), but this is a big no no.

You have been misinformed. The sticking issue has to do with the "contracting out" of mantainance services on new equipment purchased by the TTC. Moreover, this has nothing to do with the TTC's unwillingness to make any changes. The issue is that the union leaders negotiated and tentatively accepted a (rather generous) contract from the TTC that was not well-recieved by the union members. This is an internal issue of the union that has affected the rest of the city.

RTA
04-28-2008, 06:19 PM
If somebody can't get to work, doesn't get paid and now can't afford to make rent, buy groceries, make it to doctor appointments etc, I'd say that transit is an essential service.

Not to mention that without transit, more people hit the streets in private vehicles, increasing traffic congestion. Traffic congestion means less efficient movement of goods within and throughout the city, which can have a big impact on the local economy.

Beltliner
04-28-2008, 09:23 PM
For what it's worth, Spacing Wire posted this rather tongue-in-cheek summary of the TTC strike (http://spacing.ca/wire/2008/04/28/ttc-strike-in-a-nutshell/) on their site.

LordMandeep
04-29-2008, 12:09 AM
I cant believe the amount of pure ignorance in this thread. Looks like most people cant put their own selfish self interest and jealousy to the side when they discuss this topic. The only thing I dont agree with is the fact that the union didnt give a early enough warning of the strike, at this point in time that is now irrelevant and can be dealt with after a deal is reached.

If the workers dont agree with the contract terms and the employer is unwilling to budge then I fully support them and their strike. It is their only bargaining chip. Also transit most certainly is not a essential service, to say it is is just moronic to the 10th degree.

I hope a deal can be reached without some stupid politicians looking to score points getting involved.


You are a pathetic waste of air. Anyone who supports the union and thinks they have a justifiable cause is an idiot. Seriously, a bunch of idealists and socialists run the city.

I do not care about one's right to strike, if the service they provide is essential. Can you all please for Goodness sakes think in realistic point of view for once. I think that you would even support the police going on strike.

WhipperSnapper
04-29-2008, 12:23 AM
cant believe the amount of pure ignorance in this thread. Looks like most people cant put their own selfish self interest and jealousy to the side when they discuss this topic. The only thing I dont agree with is the fact that the union didnt give a early enough warning of the strike, at this point in time that is now irrelevant and can be dealt with after a deal is reached.

If the workers dont agree with the contract terms and the employer is unwilling to budge then I fully support them and their strike. It is their only bargaining chip. Also transit most certainly is not a essential service, to say it is is just moronic to the 10th degree.
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Well ... I can't beleive the amount of ignorance in this one, two paragraph post.

The "not enough warning" is hardly irrelevant after the fact and the malicious intent of it to hold the city at ransom proves that providing sufficient transportation infrastructure is an essential service for any urban center. And, why shouldn't taxpayers not be upset by having billions of dollar in investment sit idle because of some deluded employees that have been convinced they are being treated unfairly?

It is their only bargaining chip

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Giime-a-break!

Fuckin' quit if you are disatisfied with your employers. This may be ignorant but anyways ... relying on your employers/unions to pay your retirement in this day and age is just a tinge childish

LordMandeep
04-29-2008, 12:33 AM
the TTC shows us whats wrong with unions in a large public. organization...

WhipperSnapper
04-29-2008, 12:39 AM
Unions had a time and place but with today's labour laws, they are largely obsolete. Unfortunately, they knows this which is one reason why they persist in their campaign to convince workers otherwise

wild wild west
04-29-2008, 01:09 AM
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Well ... I can't beleive the amount of ignorance in this one, two paragraph post.

The "not enough warning" is hardly irrelevant after the fact and the malicious intent of it to hold the city at ransom proves that providing sufficient transportation infrastructure is an essential service for any urban center. And, why shouldn't taxpayers not be upset by having billions of dollar in investment sit idle because of some deluded employees that have been convinced they are being treated unfairly?



Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Giime-a-break!

Fuckin' quit if you are disatisfied with your employers. This may be ignorant but anyways ... relying on your employers/unions to pay your retirement in this day and age is just a tinge childish

Harsh, but I agree 100%. Couldn't have said it better myself.

someone123
04-29-2008, 01:24 AM
Fuckin' quit if you are disatisfied with your employers.

But.. they can't quit. Where else would they go for a semi-skilled job that comes with comparable pay and benefits? ;)

KrisYYC
04-29-2008, 01:50 AM
But.. they can't quit. Where else would they go for a semi-skilled job that comes with comparable pay and benefits? ;)

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