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MarkDaMan
May 10, 2008, 2:10 AM
Friday, May 9, 2008
Third Avenue's vexing paradox
High-profile vacancies reveal big challenges
Portland Business Journal - by Wendy Culverwell Business Journal staff writer

There's no shortage of activity on downtown Portland's Southwest Third Avenue around noon, when office workers go searching for lunch.

Chef Jeffery Reiter banked his business on it when he opened Blueplate restaurant in the historic Dekum Building about 18 months ago. The soda fountain and lunch counter format was an instant hit, with lines queuing up every day.

Southwest Third has long been a paradox for retailers. Just two blocks from the Willamette River and bordering on a city parking garage and Pioneer Place, it's popular with pedestrians and drivers and it has some of downtown's best-known shopping destinations, including the Nordstrom Rack, Romano's Macaroni Grill, the Portland Outdoor Store and others.

But tucked among them are plenty of empty storefronts. Vacancies have increased in the year-plus since light rail construction to the west brought buses to the corridor and with them, more street activity.

The vacancy rate for downtown retail space is about 6 percent, but along Southwest Third, empty storefronts line the street from Stark, where a women's retailer recently shut down in the Oregon Pioneer building, south five blocks to Taylor.

The reasons for all the vacancies are difficult to pin down.

Some blame construction of the new Max line two blocks west, which forced bus traffic onto Third and Fourth. Some say buses bring troublemakers.

Others say the historic buildings pose a challenge because they aren't as suited to modern retailers as newer structures to the west.

John Beardsley, a real estate investor with a taste for historic buildings, acquired three in the area in the past year. He sees great potential in the neighborhood.

Complaining about light rail construction is silly, he said. It's an investment in Portland's future.

"There may be some legitimacy (to complaints) but if you provide a good service and your product and your repartee with your customers is good, there's no reason for that to discontinue because of some street improvement. I absolutely don't subscribe to that," Beardsley said.

Beardsley said opening up old buildings such as the Oregon Pioneer (1910), Loyalty (1929) and Hamilton (1893) is the key to success. Stripping away awnings and restoring transom windows gets light into buildings and light sells space, he said, citing the Macy's remodel as one to emulate.
A long-standing problem

Craig Sweitzer, principal with retail brokerage Urban Works Real Estate, is less optimistic.

"It is a problem and it is an issue," Sweitzer said, calling it a deterrent to businesses considering locating downtown. "Retailers are evaluating when and where they will locate after the construction is complete."

Reiter, the chef, opened Blueplate in the Dekum building at Third and Washington about 18 months ago. The small restaurant is a success, with positive reviews, lines out the door and reasonable profits.

"You've got to be aware that your marketplace is Monday through Friday," Reiter said.

The Dekum, built in 1890, can't easily accommodate a restaurant. Reiter, for instance, cannot have a deep fryer because of ventilation issues, so he simply tweaked his menu and serves mashed potatoes instead of fries.Other business owners might not be so forgiving when buildings thwart their plans.

Sweitzer said older buildings have lots of limitations that make them difficult for retailers. Their windows are limited and even if space is level with the sidewalk, customers usually have to enter through the building's main lobby, a huge turnoff.

Brock Switzer, a retail broker with HSM Pacific Realty, is taking over leasing responsibilities for several of the Beardsley-owned buildings on Southwest Third, including Oregon Pioneer.

"Third is not necessarily the retail core," he said.

There may be plenty of vacancies, but he said they are balanced by top-drawer retailers who have elected to do business there. Besides the Nordstrom Rack and Macaroni Grill, Ruth's Chris Steak House, Borders Books Music & Cafe and Sleep Country USA, loom large on Southwest Third.

The street isn't likely to become a major retail destination, but there's hope it'll pick up.

"I think what we're seeing is a little bit of a turnaround," he said.
Upbeat merchants anticipate end of downtown construction

Fifteen months into a $557 million light rail project that has disrupted traffic across Portland, some of the retailers most affected by the torn up streets are in surprisingly good spirits.

"It will be worth it," said Mark Ellsworth, manager of the Three Lions Bakery, 135 N.W. Fifth Ave., which currently is all but cut off by a maze of safety fences and detoured traffic as workers install tracks down Southwest Fifth Avenue.

Business has dropped he said, but construction workers stopping in for coffee and baked goods goes a long way toward closing the gap.

"They're doing a great job," he said.

That's a pretty typical attitude, said Jennifer Koozer, TriMet community affairs representative, who works with businesses affected by the project.

"The thing we hear most often is, 'It is not as bad as I thought it would be,'" she said.

TriMet shifted bus service from Southwest Fifth and Sixth streets to Southwest Third and Fourth in February 2007.

The buses will remain on their temporary routes throughout construction of the Max Green Line, which includes installing track between Portland State University and Union Station, and between Clackamas Town Center and the Gateway Transit Center on I-205.

The project hits a milestone today when the last section of rail in the last of the 57 blocks affected by the construction is installed.

The Green Line will travel from one to the other via the existing rail lines that run along Interstate 84.

Buses are scheduled to return to Southwest Fifth and Sixth in May of 2009.

The Max Green Line begins operations in September 2009.

wculverwell@bizjournals.com | 503-219-3415
http://portland.bizjournals.com/portland/stories/2008/05/12/story4.html?t=printable

zilfondel
May 10, 2008, 2:33 AM
I think part of the problem is we're all still caught up in the Pearl District afterglow. I ride the bus down 3rd all the time, it does have a ton of people on the street all day long.

I can definitely see how uncertainty of how things are going to shape up over the next two years may cause many to not invest in the area, and instead see what happens.

Judging by historic renovations in other parts of the city, however, it is silly to use that as an excuse to not rehab those spaces. They just need a creative designer to attack the problem, and not try to shoehorn a proforma into the space.

Actually, thats one big distinction of downtown compared to the other neighborhoods - the prevalence of chain stores/retailers/restaurants. They really don't make a good fit for the area... they make more sense in newer buildings, perhaps in the Lloyd District. :P

bvpcvm
May 10, 2008, 2:36 AM
i think there are some pretty obvious reasons why it's like that. first of all, there's very little residential down there, so it's office workers during the day and not much else. sure, there are bars, but bar-hopping and shopping aren't really activities that cross over. anyway, between the areas people live - 10th and on up, and down towards the south of downtown - there's plenty of retail that's closer. more recently, the pearl seems to be sucking a lot of retail activity its way. in fact, with some offices moving over there it's sucking downtown out of downtown. 3rd needs some bigger "attractors" than nordstrom rack and borders (which are on the max line anyway).

downtownpdx
May 10, 2008, 3:52 AM
It's weird, it seems there were a lot of jewelry shops around 3rd and Washington Streets, and I recall that area even being dubbed a 'diamond district.' Sad to walk by there and see these beautiful old buildings sit empty at the street level.

My optimistic side says that the end of light-rail construction will mark a turnaround. I know it's a lame excuse ... but I hope the re-furbished transit mall will really attract new retail. A lot of it has left along 5th and 6th Aves. since that project began, and maybe when all is said and done, the redeveloped storefronts, new landscaping, transit shelters, artwork, etc. will revitalize those streets, (not to mention the new light rail). Then 3rd Ave. and surrounding areas will benefit from the increased retail / pedestrian activity in the core. I would think the new hotels going in a few blocks away will help too. Who knows, it seems businesses would love to have a presence in some of these gorgeous buildings, at least if some renovations are made to accomodate them.

twofiftyfive
May 10, 2008, 5:06 AM
From the article:
Just two blocks from the Willamette River...

Let's see, second, first, Naito, river...yep, that's two blocks!

IHEARTPDX
May 10, 2008, 6:52 AM
I think a huge factor in why there are so many vacant storefronts is Pioneer Place mall. It's a retail blackhole...once you go into the mall you pretty much have everything you want in a climate controlled vertical shopping extravaganza.
Imagine if Pioneer Place was not there and all of the retail that is housed vertically in a miniscule 2 block area of downtown was spread out throughout the downtown core...you would have alot more people on the streets and adjunct businesses (boutiques, restaurants, cafes, and small footprint retail that don't have the resume or clout to land a lease in a mall) would fill in the gaps between national retailers.
I also don't buy this "the retail spaces are not adequate" or big enough. I have yet to visit a city where existing buildings and retail spaces were not used in the condition that they are in (without having to combine buildings or tear down buildings). If they could do it in older cities like New York, Paris, London etc. they could do it here.
This brings up the question of demand as well...if you don't have a majority of the retail on the street with shoppers going from store to store (as opposed to being in a mall) the demand may not ever reach the point where you are using all of the ground floors of buildings for retail and having a low vacancy rate.
I say tear down Pioneer Place and LLoyd Center (The Beast), start building more condos downtown (not the Pearl), and that might resuscitate the core.

westsider
May 10, 2008, 7:13 AM
I say tear down Pioneer Place and LLoyd Center (The Beast), start building more condos downtown (not the Pearl), and that might resuscitate the core.


I agree with you that the only thing that will get downtown as a whole up on its feet is a few more thousand people living there. Though I don't share the same sentiment about Pioneer Place. I believe that the mall actually brings many more people downtown than would care to shop if it was not there. If someone does not see what they want there, they can walk to Nordy's, Borders, Macys, ect. I might just be lazy but my idea of shopping is not walking 9 blocks all together between 3 destinations. LLoyd on the other hand, good riddance.

zilfondel
May 10, 2008, 10:04 AM
We really need some burrito-boy joints around the area, little cheap hole-in-the wall eateries in 200 sq ft spaces and such.

I hate having to trek halfway across downtown to get decent cheap food.

cab
May 10, 2008, 2:38 PM
retail brokers are a big problem. Many do not understand living breathing cities. They go after chain stores or high end retail in areas that are used for regular day to day commerce. It was the same issue on the transit mall. Retail brokers wanted it to be a mall, but with all the transit and huge pedestrian counts things like pizza, magazine shops, dry cleaning, all the regular joe stuff would be more appropriate for this type of environment.

PacificNW
May 10, 2008, 3:02 PM
I see lots of retail downtown Seattle covering many blocks in many directions. The same in Boston. Both these cities, and including Portland, have national retailers in the mix as well as downtown enclosed malls. Seattle has 2 enclosed malls downtown. When I lived in Dallas and Houston retail was all but dead...it had relocated to the malls in the suburbs.

There is lots of construction going on downtown which complicates things. People who don't live or work downtown maybe waiting until things clear up a bit. Maybe the landlords of some of these "small, ground floor, spaces" could be encouraged to adjust rents for "one of a kind" Portland based shops. Establish a "creative zone" along 3rd avenue. Build some affordable housing on top of the city own parking garages and market rate condo's on the river front and then see what happens.

Also, there was talk at one time to add individual store entrances at street level for both Pioneer Square and Lloyd Center. I wonder what happened to that idea?

IHEARTPDX
May 10, 2008, 4:21 PM
my idea of shopping is not walking 9 blocks all together between 3 destinations.

I think retail thrives on walking from shopping destination to shopping destination. The stops in between the stores--the burrito joints that zilfondel mentioned, the galleries, the cafes and the local boutiques are what create a presence and "buzz" on the street that spurs more retail to open up and take advantage of the crowds.
Also part of the experience of walking down Hawthorne, NW 23rd, the Pearl is the people watching/connection to the general populace that is a huge part of choosing to not shop at a mall.

alexjon
May 10, 2008, 5:51 PM
I see lots of retail downtown Seattle covering many blocks in many directions. The same in Boston. Both these cities, and including Portland, have national retailers in the mix as well as downtown enclosed malls. Seattle has 2 enclosed malls downtown. When I lived in Dallas and Houston retail was all but dead...it had relocated to the malls in the suburbs.

Retail cores can have their problems-- in Seattle, they choke out the malls, which is sometimes where I want to go. Downtown Seattle's retail core is two mini-malls where everything is a little more pricey than it should be.

Of course, I don't want to go to Southcenter, so...

Portland needs a retail core, though-- it's absolutely true. It can happen with what they have now.