[mr.x]

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[Yume-sama]

If GM Place, or really most of those venues, are still standing by 2020 let alone 2040, I'd be amazed :P

[crazyjoeda]

If GM Place, or really most of those venues, are still standing by 2020 let alone 2040, I'd be amazed :P

I think this is a bit of a dumb thread but are you on crack??? You don't think GM place will still be here in 12 years??

[raggedy13]

I'm sure by 2040 other suburbs could have enough sports facilities to render Victoria's unnecessary. Though if there is an island bridge by then perhaps Victoria would practically be part of an enlarged metro anyways.

Anywho, for the most part I like your ideas so far mr.x2. I could definitely see Vancouver hosting a summer olympics one day, especially if the winter olympics go well. By 2040 we'll probably look back on 2010 the same way we look back on Expo '86 now (fingers crossed).

Whether we actually will host summer olympics ever I don't know, but I'm quite sure Toronto will before us. I'd actually quite like to see Toronto host them. I think Toronto would be a great summer host city.

[mr.x]

I wonder what it would be like today if we were hosting the 2012 Summer Games instead of 2010. Would we be behind everything for construction? :p

[deasine]

Whether we actually will host summer olympics ever I don't know, but I'm quite sure Toronto will before us. I'd actually quite like to see Toronto host them. I think Toronto would be a great summer host city.

Me too. But wouldn't it be cool just to be the first city to host the winter and summer olympics? =P

[crazyjoeda]

Me too. But wouldn't it be cool just to be the first city to host the winter and summer olympics? =P

It would be cool, not many cities could host both. Of cities that have or will host the winter games I think Vancouver is the most capable of also hosting the summer games.

[mr.x]

^ couldn't agree more.

btw, could a mod change the thread title to 2032?

[bbeliko]

Would we be behind everything for construction? :p
:haha: :haha: Perhaps, but still able to meet the deadlines.

What about the olympic stadium?????
BC Place or a new one?????

[deasine]

:haha: :haha: Perhaps, but still able to meet the deadlines.

What about the olympic stadium?????
BC Place or a new one?????

I think BC Place would be adequate (that's after all the upgrades). Lots of cleaning will be needed, that's for sure =) I can't see how they would keep it clean after how it's neglected before...

[mr.x]

My plan would be to use BC Place (with 2010's upgrades) for the football preliminaries and football finals. The Summer Olympic Stadium requires an athletic track, as it's the venue for athletics, and BC Place does not have the space to fit in a track.....an athletic stadium has a much larger footprint than BC Place.

We would be better off building a temporary structure at Thunderbird Stadium, similar to what London 2012 and Chicago 2016 are doing. With that said, temporary structures as large as an Olympic Stadium are pricey. Build a 80,000 seat stadium at Thunderbird Stadium with 10,000 of the seats being permanent while the remaining 70,000 being temporary at a cost of $400-million.

It's a pretty cool location.....probably the first ever clifftop Olympic Stadium.



Chicago 2016's 80,000 seat temporary stadium
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London 2012
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[mr.x]

The venue plan in the first post is now completely finished....take a look at it!

[deasine]

I wouldn't mind swanguard being used for something. It's used a lot for local competitions and school track meets. It would be a great legacy! =)

[mr.x]

I wouldn't mind swanguard being used for something. It's used a lot for local competitions and school track meets. It would be a great legacy! =)

Swangard is being used for the football-preliminaries.

Swangard Stadium
Sports: Football-Preliminary
Capacity: 20,000 (5,000 permanent; 15,000 temporary)
Renovation: $20-million (2008 dollars)










VENUE BUDGET PLAN (2008 dollars)

Renovations on existing venues: $180-million
New venues (with temporary fixtures/seating, i.e. massive temporary seating at Olympic Stadium): $1.02-billion
Temporary venues: $410-million
TOTAL: $1.61-billion (2008 dollars)

LOL, that's basically the entire VANOC 2010 budget.



The convention centre/Canada Place will once again be the media centres, but I have no idea where to build a Olympic Village with 18,000 beds.

[raggedy13]

Me too. But wouldn't it be cool just to be the first city to host the winter and summer olympics? =P

For sure. I wouldn't be surprised if Vancouver did become the first at some point. Unless there are some other strong contenders anyone can think of?

[deasine]

The convention centre/Canada Place will once again be the media centres, but I have no idea where to build a Olympic Village with 18,000 beds.

You could do a bunch of towers at Lansdowne Mall (since there are plans in the long run) and that huge "farmland" at Alderbridge & Garden City... Unless it has to be in Vancouver.

Or what about the railyards at Great Northern Way?

[mr.x]

You could do a bunch of towers at Lansdowne Mall (since there are plans in the long run) and that huge "farmland" at Alderbridge & Garden City...

Way too far from the main venue clusters....it should be somewhere in Vancouver, preferably in downtown.


It would be perfect if we could use SouthEast False Creek since it'll be the home of 15,000-20,000 people by 2020.

Or what about the railyards at Great Northern Way?

lol, that would actually be perfect.....and the Olympic Stadium could also be located there too:


Olympic Stadium
Sports: Athletics
Capacity: 80,000 (70,000 temporary; 10,000 permanent for post-games amphitheatre)
Cost: $400-million

Much of the Olympic Stadium site would be turned into a plaza and amphitheatre.

[SpongeG]

remember the idea that was tossed around a few years ago - ok more than a few prior to 2010 even about seattle/Vancouver co-hosting the olympics - summer games

[mr.x]

^ co-hosting a Olympics between nations would not be accepted by the IOC.

[mooks28]

I don't think any of us will see this in our lifetimes. It is unlikely the COC would ever award Vancouver the bidding rights with Toronto so keen on having the games, and with up and coming countries like Brazil or India or South Africa wanting a crack at hosting for the first time ever, Canada is not going to get to host these things very often...

[SpongeG]

^ co-hosting a Olympics between nations would not be accepted by the IOC.

obviously

but don't you remember the idea?

i think it was in the paper

they had renderings and ideas etc

it was a "dream" but it was pretty thought out

they would have had the opening in one city and the closing in the other and a high speed train connecting the city

this was all prior to 9/11 so it was a different time

[mr.x]

^ i don't remember......i wasn't into this stuff prior to 9/11, way too young.

[SpongeG]

lol yah i is the old folk

[bbeliko]

WHat about the temporary stadium becoming the whitecaps stadium???
60000-20000

[Nutterbug]

^ co-hosting a Olympics between nations would not be accepted by the IOC.
Time to throw out the IOC bureaucrats.

If there is to be a Summer Olympics in the area, Seattle should take it, considering it's the biggest city in the region. Vancouver, Portland and maybe Victoria could then help with the overflow and host some of the events.

Making it multi-city would relieve the burden on any one city, and would also alleviate the problem of the Games growing too big and having to remove some sports.

The World Cup of Soccer has the right idea.

[mr.x]

Time to throw out the IOC bureaucrats.

If there is to be a Summer Olympics in the area, Seattle should take it, considering it's the biggest city in the region. Vancouver, Portland and maybe Victoria could then help with the overflow and host some of the events.

Making it multi-city would relieve the burden on any one city, and would also alleviate the problem of the Games growing too big and having to remove some sports.

The World Cup of Soccer has the right idea.

FIFA tried Korea-Japan in 2002, and they have said they won't be doing anything like that ever again.

The whole concept of the Olympic Games is for one host metropolitan to host it, and with that host region representing the entire host nation.

If Vancouver were to host the Summer Games, it can have venues in Vancouver and Victoria, and maybe Kelowna.....maybe even some smaller sport events at Whistler, with all of its hotel rooms.




Well not that it matters but by 2032 Metro Vancouver will be the roughly the same size population wise as LA was in 84 (3.8Million) Atlanta in 96 (4Million), and Sydney in 00 (4.2Million). Athens in 04 only had a listed population of (3.5Million) but most people don't buy that figure and it's safe to assume it's probably closer to twice that.

Good point.

By 2032, we should be around 3.2 million. Add in the Fraser Valley, we might be at 4-million. Add in Victoria, and we're certainly beyond that. And I'm sure the Americans will once again come north in droves and attend events.

[jlousa]

Well not that it matters but by 2032 Metro Vancouver will be the roughly the same size population wise as LA was in 84 (3.8Million) Atlanta in 96 (4Million), and Sydney in 00 (4.2Million). Athens in 04 only had a listed population of (3.5Million) but most people don't buy that figure and it's safe to assume it's probably closer to twice that.

[mr.x]

Victoria could host quite a few events, it certainly is capable after 1994:

- Rowing and flatwater canoe/kayak at Shawnigan Lake
- Sailing at the Royal Victoria Yacht Club
- Table Tennis and Taekwando
- Football preliminaries at Royal Athletic Park and UVIC's Centennial Stadium
- Triathlon
- Cycling Road, BMX
- many more, etc.


Hell, I'm sure Victoria in Vancouver 2032 can be what Whistler is for Vancouver 2010. They could have an Olympic Village in Vancouver and another village at Victoria.

[mr.x]

Interestingly, the Victoria '94 Commonwealth Games bid had proposed that the opening/closing ceremnonies be held at the Inner Harbour (below). Also, I found the bid's venue plan.


http://keyplan.shawbiz.ca/images/Bid%201.jpg

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[jlousa]

I can't see how this won't happen, by 2032 Both Campbell and Falcon will have retired from being premier and our new mega mayor would be the guy in the orange vest. He could make anything happen.

[Nutterbug]

FIFA tried Korea-Japan in 2002, and they have said they won't be doing anything like that ever again.

The whole concept of the Olympic Games is for one host metropolitan to host it, and with that host region representing the entire host nation.

If Vancouver were to host the Summer Games, it can have venues in Vancouver and Victoria, and maybe Kelowna.

Bad policy. Time to put the outdated notion of national divisions and political boundaries behind us. And a joint bid should be looked at a gesture of goodwill between nations.

Didn't Athens end up with a lot of venues that they no longer had use for once their Olympics had passed, and had to tear down?

[Nutterbug]

Well not that it matters but by 2032 Metro Vancouver will be the roughly the same size population wise as LA was in 84 (3.8Million) Atlanta in 96 (4Million), and Sydney in 00 (4.2Million). Athens in 04 only had a listed population of (3.5Million) but most people don't buy that figure and it's safe to assume it's probably closer to twice that.

And almost every other city in the world will also be proportionally that much bigger, and so will the size and budget of the Games to be hosted.

[mr.x]

Bad policy. Time to put the outdated notion of national divisions and political boundaries behind us. And a joint bid should be looked at a gesture of goodwill between nations.

Didn't Athens end up with a lot of venues that they no longer had use for once their Olympics had passed, and had to tear down?

Some venues are white elephants, but the majority of the venues in Athens are being put to good use.

There was a lot of pride involved during the planning stage of Athens 2004, the Games are a part of their history and they wanted to build grand permanent structures....in which they did. With the Chinese, it's their culture of national pride once again that explains why they've built massive grandiose venues for 2008.



Fact is, a lot of venues in the Summer Games can be temporary....but many cities choose to build permanent venues instead. Vancouver's bid was said to have inspired London into building a more socially-responsible and legacy-focused sports venue plan. A lot of London's venues are temporary, including their Olympic Stadium. Chicago 2016's bid for the Summer Games is also following suit, with an Olympic Stadium and nearly a dozen other venues proposed to be temporary structures.

Vancouver can also certainly follow suit, like what I proposed in the first post.

[mr.x]

And almost every other city in the world will also be proportionally that much bigger, and so will the size and budget of the Games to be hosted.

The IOC has put a cap on the size of the Summer Games, including the number of athletes. It's why some sports were eliminated a few years ago, including baseball.

On the other hand, the IOC is trying to expand the Winter Games.

[SpongeG]

Time to throw out the IOC bureaucrats.

If there is to be a Summer Olympics in the area, Seattle should take it, considering it's the biggest city in the region. Vancouver, Portland and maybe Victoria could then help with the overflow and host some of the events.

Making it multi-city would relieve the burden on any one city, and would also alleviate the problem of the Games growing too big and having to remove some sports.

The World Cup of Soccer has the right idea.


thats what was brought up in the article about the idea - they said its too hard for one city to carry the cost burden and if it were multiple cities as they were floating around the idea... it would be a lot easier on a couple of cities to share the cost and both would reap the benefits of the games themselves plus the legacy of venues etc.

and in the future a number of smaller cities anywhere could bid for games not just large cities

[mr.x]

thats what was brought up in the article about the idea - they said its too hard for one city to carry the cost burden and if it were multiple cities as they were floating around the idea... it would be a lot easier on a couple of cities to share the cost and both would reap the benefits of the games themselves plus the legacy of venues etc.

and in the future a number of smaller cities anywhere could bid for games not just large cities

In the United States, the host city does hold almost all of the cost burdens associated with hosting the Olympics (instead of the state and federal gov'ts).....but that's their problem. I believe it's part of the USOC charter or something that the host city is responsible, including for any deficits/debt.

Up here, the federal and provincial governments are the ones that jointly hold the responsibility of covering the cost of the Games. The host city has very little responsibility, compared to the states.

Really, Vancouver is perfectly capable of hosting the Summer Games on its own in the future. A lot of venues can be in Victoria, with a second Olympic Village there too....and a few venues can also be in Whistler and the Okanagan/Kelowna.

[Nutterbug]

The IOC has put a cap on the size of the Summer Games, including the number of athletes. It's why some sports were eliminated a few years ago, including baseball.

On the other hand, the IOC is trying to expand the Winter Games.

There's only so much you can do on a frozen water surface (snow and ice). There are also only so many people around the world for whom snow and ice are relevant. (Ice dancing...WTF?)

They should do as I have said and broaden the games to multicity events, or break up the Summer Games into a Summer, Spring and Fall Games, without eliminating sports.

[mr.x]

There's only so much you can do on a frozen water surface (snow and ice). There are also only so many people around the world for whom snow and ice are relevant. (Ice dancing...WTF?)

The Winter Olympics are gaining in popularity within countries that do not have a strong winter sports tradition (such as Brazil or Mexico). As a result of its global appeal, it seems likely that international participation in the Winter Olympics will also increase.

In the past, there have been talks about adding sports such as:
- sled-dog racing (the winter equivalent of the summer game's equestrian event)
- sijoring (skiing behind dogs, equestrian equivalent)
- speed skiing
- winter pentathlon

Other events for existing sports:
- Biathlon mixed relay
- Mixed doubles curling
- Team alpine skiing
- Team bobsled and skeleton
- Team luge
- Women's ski jumping


Interesting to mention that snowboarding was added to the Olympic program in 1998, and of course skicross was added to the 2010 program.

Hell, it was only 20 years ago in Calgary that the Super G, Curling, Freestyle skiing, short track speed skating and paralympic skiing were introduced.




They should do as I have said and broaden the games to multicity events, or break up the Summer Games into a Summer, Spring and Fall Games, without eliminating sports.

The Olympics are already multicity events, it's just that they cannot be multinational events.

As for having multiseasonal Olympics, that's just stupid and would dilute corporate sponsorship revenues and the whole prestige of the event.

[Nutterbug]

The Winter Olympics are gaining in popularity within countries that do not have a strong winter sports tradition (such as Brazil or Mexico).
Don't give Gary Bettman any ideas, or he may decide to place NHL franchises in those markets.

As a result of its global appeal, it seems likely that international participation in the Winter Olympics will also increase.

In the past, there have been talks about adding sports such as:
- sled-dog racing (the winter equivalent of the summer game's equestrian event)
- sijoring (skiing behind dogs, equestrian equivalent)
I'm actually for eliminating "sports" that involve the use of animals, or anything else not based on human exertion.

Interesting to mention that snowboarding was added to the Olympic program in 1998, and of course skicross was added to the 2010 program.
How about a dry land equivalent of snowboarding (ie. skateboarding) for the summer games?

If they want winter equivalents of summer sports, how about ice boxing? Georges Laraque vs. Donald Brashear anyone?

[SpongeG]

people are more housebound in the winter and more likely to watch sporting events perhaps like the olympics

plus the drama and glamour of figure skating is a big draw

in the summer people are too busy enjoying the weather to sit couped up watching TV