[Jonovision]

Grabbed this yesterday.

http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/47463/2367013610096709958S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2367013610096709958mTTVNY)

[fenwick16]

:previous: Have they started the exterior cladding?

[alps]

:previous: Have they started the exterior cladding?

There is some dark grey brick going up on the southernmost part of the other side of the building. From what I saw, it looks good!

[HRM]

The brick is actually dark brown. MN used the same brick on Garden Stone Place.

[Empire]

The brick is actually dark brown. MN used the same brick on Garden Stone Place.

The brick on the south facing wall is grey. Are they using a different brick on the rest of the lower section?

[Dmajackson]

The answers my friend are blowing in the wind:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3477/5725091194_6c2fe704f8_z.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5147/5724537237_65f6e7254a_z.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5097/5724540277_03eee520cb_z.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5124/5725100614_0ff968fdf1_z.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5030/5725103354_0ca2bc2f0a_z.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3472/5724549323_af7fd4353b_z.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5149/5724551765_2865d683c1_z.jpg

[HRM]

Materials so far:
Lower south and lower south east wall - brown brick
Lower north east wall - grey fibre cement panels covered by metal grid

[phn902]

The lower portion of the building bordering Hollis and Morris streets will be clad with granite.

The whole east facing side of the building and the stepped-in sections from the 5th floor up will be clad with some type of aluminum panels.

The north east section with the 3 bay windows I believe will have cement-board shingles like the ones you see on the opposite side of the living wall where the balconies are.

[halifaxboyns]

Some of my pictures from my easter trip home:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3276/5742383644_ed00cbe36f.jpg

From Dartmouth:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2339/5741829471_055d7ce7f4.jpg

From Dartmouth:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2569/5742380878_278dbd153c.jpg

From the Farmers Market:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5105/5741869227_c1c9998369.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2431/5742420752_95010b1bda.jpg

[worldlyhaligonian]

Excellent shots. Even 2 more stories would have made this building more prominent. Lets hope for something taller on the lot to the east.

[halifaxboyns]

Excellent shots. Even 2 more stories would have made this building more prominent. Lets hope for something taller on the lot to the east.

I agree; but with the way the viewplanes are now - that's as tall as anything will get there. I'd like to see a study done on the viewplanes from citadell hill and propose what DJ had - get rid of 9 and 10 and just merge them into one. But revisit the height allowances on the newly combined one.

If a couple extra stories could be added without any major issue - then I'd say up to 11 should be fine, considering how big a 'chunk' the combined viewplane would cover...virtually all of the fenwick area, this area and the port lands.

There are a couple of recent buildings that were added around here in Calgary that I want to go have a look at (if it's not raining as bad as they say tomorrow) and post them as a conversation starter. Their designs are quite interesting.

[someone123]

Very nice photos. You should consider turning them into a City Photos thread.

[halifaxboyns]

Very nice photos. You should consider turning them into a City Photos thread.

If I knew how to do that - I would :)

[someone123]

To make a thread, go to City Photos A-M: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/forumdisplay.php?f=321

Click on "new thread" on the left side near the top.

Then basically it's the same as making a post -- the only difference is you need to add a title.

[worldlyhaligonian]

A skyline shot from Flickr. (Credit: michael_swan on Flickr)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3135/5760253388_c992793cca_b.jpg

[RyeJay]

Although I too am one of those people with a strong desire in wishing this building were taller--I have to admit that it is fairly size appropriate for that area. These foreground structures give further magnitude to the BellAliant Tower. And I'm also thinking of how wonderful the Alexander would look in this area...with the 'Vic' building. :yes:

[halifaxboyns]

To make a thread, go to City Photos A-M: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/forumdisplay.php?f=321

Click on "new thread" on the left side near the top.

Then basically it's the same as making a post -- the only difference is you need to add a title.

I've added all my photos together to a new thread in that City Photo thread.
It's here (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=191446).

Sorry I didn't quite understand what you were talking about - I had a total duh moment that day!

[JustinMacD]

This building >> Trillum

[RyeJay]

This building >> Trillum


...maybe if you're a fan of chodes.

[haligonia]

...maybe if you're a fan of chodes.

How old are you, twelve?

[HRM]

...maybe if you're a fan of chodes.

That is the most asinine and juvenile comment I've read here. Please refrain from making such comments here. Actually a junior high school bathroom is likely more your maturity level.

[RyeJay]

That is the most asinine and juvenile comment I've read here. Please refrain from making such comments here. Actually a junior high school bathroom is likely more your maturity level.

It's obvious that I was attempting some humour.
I had no ill intentions. And I bet some people even did the unthinkable and laughed.

But, I shall respect my elders and try refraining from making any jokes and use of metaphor -- on this non-casual, super serious website forum.

Of course everyone is allowed to not find something funny, but when it comes to 'maturity' it's quite contradictory to respond to jokes, with insults.

Have a good one, gentlemen.

[haligonia]

It's obvious that I was attempting some humour.
I had no ill intentions. And I bet some people even did the unthinkable and laughed.

But, I shall respect my elders and try refraining from making any jokes and use of metaphor -- on this non-casual, super serious website forum.

Of course everyone is allowed to not find something funny, but when it comes to 'maturity' it's quite contradictory to respond to jokes, with insults.

Have a good one, gentlemen.

Respect your elders? I'm a teenager, and have absolutely no problem with jokes or humor. But a skyscraper/urban development forum is not the place for penis jokes.

[Jstaleness]

I'm almost 30. I got the joke. Was it appropriate? Probably not but I just ignored it and went on to reading the next thread.
Humor is tough on forums. It's hard to know what people will laugh at and what others will be offended by.

[beyeas]

I noticed yesterday morning that there was a line of trucks dropping drywall off on to the site, so they clearly are coming right along on the interior work on this too.

Still some of the fire retardant left to apply before they start on the exterior cladding.

[someone123]

Here's a nice if over-edited shot of the building:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5151/5801338705_e4e458cb0a_b.jpg
Source (http://www.flickr.com/photos/amshields/5801338705/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

[fenwick16]

I can see what you mean by over-edited since it almost looks like a painting. However, it looks great anyway.

[Jonovision]

Great shot someone123. I love the over editing.

I was walking by yesterday and the rigging is being set up on the Morris street side to put the brick and stone up.

[worldlyhaligonian]

Great shot someone123. I love the over editing.

I was walking by yesterday and the rigging is being set up on the Morris street side to put the brick and stone up.

Great news... I like what I've seen from the cladding so far. I don't know how I feel about red balconies though :cool:

[macgregor]

From Lower Water Street, showing filling in Nova Scotia Power's extra lot. http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/af65/macgregor10/IMG_0459.jpg

I see wood exteriorpanels between the sun rooms. No other new exterior cladding.
http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/af65/macgregor10/IMG_0463.jpg

Photos today by me.

[-Harlington-]

Whats the story on the lot fronting lower water ?

[macgregor]

My best guess is that it is being levelled off and will be paved to serve as parking for the NS Power HQ across the road.

[JustinMacD]

Even if it's just a parking lot... as long as they make it look nicer (i.e. pave it and take out all of the nasty weeds, etc) it'd be an upgrade.

That was a huge eyesore of a lot.

[Empire]

As one would expect the building is being clad with bottom end concrete block at the corner of Hollis & Morris.

[Jonovision]

Bottom end? I wouldn't call it bottom end. It's not Italian marble, but it looks quite nice. They have created sills under the windows with the blocks. I think they look quite nice.

Walked by this morning. Some of the aluminum siding that has been put on the back side has been uncovered. Looks good. Pure white.

[Jstaleness]

Even if it's just a parking lot... as long as they make it look nicer (i.e. pave it and take out all of the nasty weeds, etc) it'd be an upgrade.

That was a huge eyesore of a lot.

It may have been an eyesore. I'm having a hard time getting excited over another downtown waterfront parking lot.

[planarchy]

As one would expect the building is being clad with bottom end concrete block at the corner of Hollis & Morris.

Not quite. It's granite.

[someone123]

It may have been an eyesore. I'm having a hard time getting excited over another downtown waterfront parking lot.

I wonder if NSP is allowed by their regulator to hold on to valuable land for employee parking. My guess is that they are not since it is not related to their core business.

It is possible that this site is highly contaminated since it used to have large oil tanks. That might explain why there's not much talk of doing anything with it.

Ideally of course the site will be cleaned up and replaced with residential or office. Parking should be moved to a garage/parkade of some type (which is also nicer than outdoor parking). Same thing goes for all the parking around the seawall and Westin. They should figure out a better solution and use that land more effectively.

[worldlyhaligonian]

I wonder if NSP is allowed by their regulator to hold on to valuable land for employee parking. My guess is that they are not since it is not related to their core business.

It is possible that this site is highly contaminated since it used to have large oil tanks. That might explain why there's not much talk of doing anything with it.

Ideally of course the site will be cleaned up and replaced with residential or office. Parking should be moved to a garage/parkade of some type (which is also nicer than outdoor parking). Same thing goes for all the parking around the seawall and Westin. They should figure out a better solution and use that land more effectively.

Effective land use in HRM, I wish! Somebody is probably against it.

[Empire]

Not quite. It's granite.

Are you sure?

[worldlyhaligonian]

Vinyl siding?


(Just joking... but it should always be a concern in Halifax development)

[eastcoastal]

Are you sure?

I took a look at the DA.

While the text doesn't mention materials, the Appendix materials (drawings) indicate "light grey stone veneer" on this part of the building.

That said, given changes that seem to be contrary to development agreements in the past, and given that I haven't seen the cladding in person, I couldn't say what's actually been installed at this point.

[planarchy]

I took a look at the DA.

While the text doesn't mention materials, the Appendix materials (drawings) indicate "light grey stone veneer" on this part of the building.

That said, given changes that seem to be contrary to development agreements in the past, and given that I haven't seen the cladding in person, I couldn't say what's actually been installed at this point.

It's granite. 99% sure. Was told last month by the builder that that's what was being installed.

[Empire]

I took a look at the DA.

While the text doesn't mention materials, the Appendix materials (drawings) indicate "light grey stone veneer" on this part of the building.

That said, given changes that seem to be contrary to development agreements in the past, and given that I haven't seen the cladding in person, I couldn't say what's actually been installed at this point.



"light grey stone veneer" is concrete block to a developer.

[planarchy]

"light grey stone veneer" is concrete block to a developer.

Well its granite to Dexel for this project. Looks good in person and I think it will age well.

[haligonia]

Well its granite to Dexel for this project. Looks good in person and I think it will age well.

IMO, granite ages very well. It has the ability to look elegant for years after installation.

[someone123]

Sometimes brand new stone blocks can look like concrete because they are so uniform. As they weather their appearance chances.

To be honest even concrete block can look okay on some projects and I would imagine that they are fairly durable. The Waterford doesn't look too bad and I believe it has concrete. What I find hideous and cheap looking are large precast panels with indentations designed to mimic a brick pattern. Letson Court and the Garden Crest towers are examples of this style. They also have unattractive Lego-style roof material. This project is a step up from those buildings.

[worldlyhaligonian]

Sometimes brand new stone blocks can look like concrete because they are so uniform. As they weather their appearance chances.

To be honest even concrete block can look okay on some projects and I would imagine that they are fairly durable. The Waterford doesn't look too bad and I believe it has concrete. What I find hideous and cheap looking are large precast panels with indentations designed to mimic a brick pattern. Letson Court and the Garden Crest towers are examples of this style. They also have unattractive Lego-style roof material. This project is a step up from those buildings.

Ugh, Letson court is one of the worst developments for that! I don't find it so bad on Garden Crest because its taller and therefore harder to see.

They need to ban fake copper roofing in HRM, period.

[Empire]

Ugh, Letson court is one of the worst developments for that! I don't find it so bad on Garden Crest because its taller and therefore harder to see.

They need to ban fake copper roofing in HRM, period.

There should be some measure of control on materials, at least in the downtown area.

BAN:- plastic fake copper roofing
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=en&ll=44.641796,-63.571057&spn=0,0.007478&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=27.497013,61.259766&z=17&layer=c&cbll=44.641701,-63.571415&panoid=A7mGDOJ_dbr3TbIFAWy-vA&cbp=12,29.46,,0,4.27

- ban Letson style slab construction
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=en&ll=44.641529,-63.572077&spn=0,0.007478&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=27.497013,61.259766&z=17&layer=c&cbll=44.641564,-63.571929&panoid=RqCinWwc2YXwEJrctBNFVw&cbp=12,209.46,,0,-18.23

- ban vinyl siding
too many examples to post unfortunately

- ban cheap concrete block cladding....it will leach and stain
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=en&ll=44.652982,-63.584806&spn=0,0.001869&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=27.497013,61.259766&z=19&layer=c&cbll=44.653058,-63.584915&panoid=rk1sU9dDIOxmJuK4L6XkhQ&cbp=12,195.57,,0,0

- ban cheap tin cladding
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=en&ll=44.645237,-63.574571&spn=0,0.001869&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=27.497013,61.259766&z=19&layer=c&cbll=44.645131,-63.574519&panoid=pQcEbCI3nyZ5ZYVDbPoGiQ&cbp=12,315,,0,0

- ban ugly blank walls
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=en&ll=44.645132,-63.574517&spn=0,0.003739&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=27.497013,61.259766&layer=c&cbll=44.645335,-63.574619&panoid=TxNNGf9xyx6BPBDGmYxBbw&cbp=12,19.76,,0,-15.14&z=18

http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=en&ll=44.642277,-63.579689&spn=0,0.003739&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=27.497013,61.259766&z=18&layer=c&cbll=44.642238,-63.57983&panoid=EzGngPWLLodNcrdIL7JNeg&cbp=12,74.66,,0,0

- ban windowless buildings
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=en&ll=44.644275,-63.578575&spn=0,0.001869&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=27.497013,61.259766&z=19&layer=c&cbll=44.644275,-63.578575&panoid=lbdqrf1_ZZiLkwAuQQloOQ&cbp=12,279.12,,0,0

[fenwick16]

There should be some measure of control on materials at least in downtown area.


- ban Letson style slab construction
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=en&ll=44.641529,-63.572077&spn=0,0.007478&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=27.497013,61.259766&z=17&layer=c&cbll=44.641564,-63.571929&panoid=RqCinWwc2YXwEJrctBNFVw&cbp=12,209.46,,0,-18.23


I have to disagree with you on this item. This one (Letson?) looks good to me. Much better than these real brick buildings - Scotia Square Apartments (http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=brunswick+street,+halifax&hl=en&ll=44.645788,-63.572903&spn=0.024793,0.066047&z=15&layer=c&cbll=44.648594,-63.577937&panoid=vSNu6JOFHtwAb0RviL9AFA&cbp=12,24.57,,0,-13.27) . I think in some cases, precast panels can look very good.

PS: Here is an example from Burlington, Ontario - http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=burlington,+ontario&hl=en&ll=43.325084,-79.794667&spn=0.005729,0.033023&z=16&layer=c&cbll=43.325089,-79.794675&panoid=vAuDVBaU_1M62z5Agc_qsQ&cbp=11,2.38,,0,-12.22 . This is a great looking apartment (or condo?) building in a ritzy part of Burlington along Lakeshore Road (it looks better than most brick buildings that I have seen). In my opinion, this is one of the nicest areas in the Greater Toronto area (one thing to note is the absence of hydro poles and hydro lines).

[someone123]

Partly this is a matter of taste, but I wish we could leave these matters to competent architects.

To me the Burlington apartment building looks like a vulgar caricature of a real building. Living in that is like driving around in a clown car.

[fenwick16]

There should be some measure of control on materials, at least in the downtown area.


- ban cheap concrete block cladding....it will leach and stain
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=en&ll=44.652982,-63.584806&spn=0,0.001869&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=27.497013,61.259766&z=19&layer=c&cbll=44.653058,-63.584915&panoid=rk1sU9dDIOxmJuK4L6XkhQ&cbp=12,195.57,,0,0


This is a serious case of efflorescence. Quite often the culprits are high levels of alkali oxide impurities (Na2O and K2O) in the concrete. In a damp area such as Halifax, low alkali concretes should be used.

[fenwick16]

Partly this is a matter of taste, but I wish we could leave these matters to competent architects.

To me the Burlington apartment building looks like a vulgar caricature of a real building. Living in that is like driving around in a clown car.

I will go with my personal taste. I am sure that the majority of modern buildings using precast panels were designed by "competent architects" (are you saying that highrises built with precast panels were designed by incompetent architects?). It seems as though many people are becoming tired of building after building in the Halifax area being built of brick. On the other hand, glass is not as efficient as concrete is for retaining heat (in fact, the HRM_by_Design manual appears to be discouraging the use of glass). So the choices seem to be limited.

Most people would consider the Burlington neighbourhood to be aesthetically pleasing. And I am sure that the building that I showed was designed by a "competent architect".

People on this forum seem to be becoming extremely critical. Every building has to be torn down with critiques. Apparently anything old is good ...

[halifaxboyns]

I'm going to have to come to the defense of the Aliant switching building. Most of these older infrastructure buildings are built so you can't see in; it's a security mechanism. Does that make it better? No.

The blank wall on the tower on SGR was (as I recall) because of the potential for some other building to end up near the tower. If I'm not mistaken there was a point during the buildings design that someone wanted to put up another tower next door (either residential or commercial) or that it was done this way to allow for expansion of the building should the demand ever occur (much like the TD building). Obviously the demand or the neighbouring application never came to be.

I don't think you can fully avoid blank walls; not all the time. But I'd be interested to hear what you think would solve the blank wall problem? And if you say advertising or billboards, I'm seriously going to have a very large meltdown. :)

[someone123]

I am sure that the majority of modern buildings using precast panels were designed by "competent architects" (are you saying that highrises built with precast panels were designed by incompetent architects?).

I guess they could be competent but if they are I'm pretty sure those buildings are a major compromise with a developer who is unwilling to spend money. Developers are often unwilling because under the current system there is no reason for them to spend, aside from any personal desires they have to make nice buildings.

I believe that a big part of the problem is that developers are unwilling to spend on building exteriors because the payoff from buyers or renters is lower than what you might get from having more space or better interior finishes. The value of having a good exterior mostly pays off for other residents and businesses, not the residents of the building in question (but they do benefit from the attractiveness of other buildings and often purposefully move to attractive neighbourhoods).

We regulate (sometimes too much) the amount of space developers can build to balance the interests of everybody involved. Unfortunately the HRM usually doesn't require much of building designs, so we get the city gets the bare minimum.

Cities like Vancouver do have design review boards. The quality of designs for new construction here is considerably higher here than it is in Halifax. The difference can only be partly attributed to property values -- some expensive buildings in Halifax are uglier than their Vancouver counterparts. Letson and Garden Crest are examples of this.

[Empire]

I'm going to have to come to the defense of the Aliant switching building. Most of these older infrastructure buildings are built so you can't see in; it's a security mechanism. Does that make it better? No.

The blank wall on the tower on SGR was (as I recall) because of the potential for some other building to end up near the tower. If I'm not mistaken there was a point during the buildings design that someone wanted to put up another tower next door (either residential or commercial) or that it was done this way to allow for expansion of the building should the demand ever occur (much like the TD building). Obviously the demand or the neighbouring application never came to be.

I don't think you can fully avoid blank walls; not all the time. But I'd be interested to hear what you think would solve the blank wall problem? And if you say advertising or billboards, I'm seriously going to have a very large meltdown. :)

Hopefully you can hold off on your meltdown. There are a few reasons for large blank walls and all of them are weak.

1. The fire code states that standard windows are not permitted within 5 ft of a property line.

- Reasonable, but the solution is A. Install windows that meet fire code and build to the property line. B. Set the building back 5ft. and install standard windows C. Install fake windows above 5 floors and build to the property line.

2. HRM planning encourages building to the property line so the sq. footage is maxed out and therefore taxes are maxed out.

-Unreasonable, planning should encourage good building practice that enhances the cityscape.

Look at this example of HRM planning rationale. The North American Life building was built in 1983 and subscribes to this theory of build to the property line & therefore no windows. Someone will likely build next door and hide it anyway. 28 years later it is the same eyesore. Furthermore the blank side faces the mouth of the harbour so that this amazing view is not visible from the building. In addition, passive solar heat is lost as this is the south facing wall. The building only needed to be set back 5ft. to have a normal development.

Blank wall eliminating great harbour view and passive solar heat opportunity.http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=en&ll=44.646895,-63.576905&spn=0,0.011662&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=51.277416,95.537109&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=44.646888,-63.57612&panoid=oWooWA95p92gI_IU7wYt7w&cbp=12,288.44,,0,-22.5

3. The theory that someday the ugly blank wall will be hidden by another building only reinforces the fact that the blank ugly wall is a bad idea in the first place.

4. The TD building installed a blank wall on the north face because they built to the property line. It was a bad idea as now the expansion will look very bad at the roof level, much like the NA Life Building. You will notice that CIBC had set their building back so they could have windows all around.
CIBC
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=en&ll=44.648445,-63.575486&spn=0,0.002916&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=51.277416,95.537109&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=44.648343,-63.575436&panoid=198ns3SAnqdVx_cH0I3y6Q&cbp=12,47.18,,0,-22.5

What would 1801 Hollis look like if they had built to the property line with BMO? You can see their set back where the u/g entrance is.
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=en&ll=44.649183,-63.572683&spn=0,0.002916&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=51.277416,95.537109&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=44.649257,-63.572778&panoid=o1sUDNLNhUb5PQeV-Z_Z0A&cbp=12,250.01,,0,-22.5

[Jonovision]

I guess they could be competent but if they are I'm pretty sure those buildings are a major compromise with a developer who is unwilling to spend money. Developers are often unwilling because under the current system there is no reason for them to spend, aside from any personal desires they have to make nice buildings.

I believe that a big part of the problem is that developers are unwilling to spend on building exteriors because the payoff from buyers or renters is lower than what you might get from having more space or better interior finishes. The value of having a good exterior mostly pays off for other residents and businesses, not the residents of the building in question (but they do benefit from the attractiveness of other buildings and often purposefully move to attractive neighbourhoods).

I think this is a really big part of it in Halifax. And a great example is the work that Michael Napier did on Founders Corner, versus The Vic. Founders Corner was meant to have completely unique building materials for the different portions of the building. But the developer was not willing to pay for it and overruled the architect and made them use a similar cheap clap board for the entire top half of the building. Versus The Vic, which once we get some pics up here, you will be able to see has 4 very unique building materials of a high quality that will work really well together. I would dare say that this building could turn out better than the renderings.

Part of it in this comparison has to do with Condo vs apartment construction. If a developer is just going to hand off a building to a condo corporation he is more willing to cut corners. If the developer is planning on owning the building for the long term then they want to have a positive impact on the city and building something that will have some sort of legacy.

[Northend Guy]

Part of it in this comparison has to do with Condo vs apartment construction. If a developer is just going to hand off a building to a condo corporation he is more willing to cut corners. If the developer is planning on owning the building for the long term then they want to have a positive impact on the city and building something that will have some sort of legacy.

Have seen this scenario play out several times. It is not just the the aesthetics, but infrastructure as well. I believe this is also true of the trillium (on several levels). I have heard of some pretty crappy stuff being done there inside...I don't want to repeat it on a public forum in case its wrong, but lets say that some of the condo owner's could be in for some nasty surprises down the road.

I am with you that competent apartment building owners are definitely more careful about their image & the quality of work they do.

[halifaxboyns]

2. HRM planning encourages building to the property line so the sq. footage is maxed out and therefore taxes are maxed out.

-Unreasonable, planning should encourage good building practice that enhances the cityscape.



I have to disagree with you there. It all depends on the context. Building out to the property line for a mixed use building to create a vibrant streetscape (like Spring Garden Road) is more than appropriate. The context is the key to this equation.

But I agree with you - the building code is what creates problems more often than not, but building design should require proper windows so that buildings can be closer to the street.

Personally, I would like to see the design committee of HbD be charged with looking at more applications than just stuff within the HbD area. If they do an HbD similar process for the hydrostone, I would hope they could look at all tower or large scale projects. Calgary Planning Commission looks at all projects in the downtown and in major new planning areas and they have a wide variety of industry representation (architects, landscaping experts, designers) and they will pick apart applications and send them back for changes. It's not always the best system; but it's helpful.

I look at HRM's urban design this way: it's still in its infancy. There wasn't an urban design team for a long time and now they are establishing one and taking baby steps to progressing urban design principles. It's not perfect, nor will it be. But the fact the effort is being made...that's a big step in the right direction. Can there be more? Yes - but we need to take steps to build a foundation first, which HbD and the design committee are a part of.

I'm sure in about 10 years time - the urban design review committee will really be a great thing and many applications will be reviewed by them. We're still in that beginning phase.

[Empire]

I have to disagree with you there. It all depends on the context. Building out to the property line for a mixed use building to create a vibrant streetscape (like Spring Garden Road) is more than appropriate. The context is the key to this equation.

But I agree with you - the building code is what creates problems more often than not, but building design should require proper windows so that buildings can be closer to the street.

Personally, I would like to see the design committee of HbD be charged with looking at more applications than just stuff within the HbD area. If they do an HbD similar process for the hydrostone, I would hope they could look at all tower or large scale projects. Calgary Planning Commission looks at all projects in the downtown and in major new planning areas and they have a wide variety of industry representation (architects, landscaping experts, designers) and they will pick apart applications and send them back for changes. It's not always the best system; but it's helpful.

I look at HRM's urban design this way: it's still in its infancy. There wasn't an urban design team for a long time and now they are establishing one and taking baby steps to progressing urban design principles. It's not perfect, nor will it be. But the fact the effort is being made...that's a big step in the right direction. Can there be more? Yes - but we need to take steps to build a foundation first, which HbD and the design committee are a part of.

I'm sure in about 10 years time - the urban design review committee will really be a great thing and many applications will be reviewed by them. We're still in that beginning phase.

I would like to see the Design Review Committee expanded and have a true "Design Review team" This team would critique the design, appearance, materials, street interaction etc. Most of this report would be provided as an advisory and not a requirement for a building permit. At least it would highlight some weaknesses and apply some pressure for a higher quality development. Developers may welcome the design report and be able to say they have met all of the hot button issues.

[someone123]

Building to the property line makes more sense for lower floors than for upper floors. Excessive setbacks for lower floors on Spring Garden would destroy the intimacy of the street. Upper floors with no setbacks create unsightly blank walls but this is not an issue for floors 1-4 or so. If a four storey building mid-block has 2 exposed floors of blank wall they are typically barely visible, especially if there are prominent corner buildings.

I agree about buildings like North American Life. The problem is that it is a large building with high visibility.

[fenwick16]

I guess they could be competent but if they are I'm pretty sure those buildings are a major compromise with a developer who is unwilling to spend money. Developers are often unwilling because under the current system there is no reason for them to spend, aside from any personal desires they have to make nice buildings.

I believe that a big part of the problem is that developers are unwilling to spend on building exteriors because the payoff from buyers or renters is lower than what you might get from having more space or better interior finishes. The value of having a good exterior mostly pays off for other residents and businesses, not the residents of the building in question (but they do benefit from the attractiveness of other buildings and often purposefully move to attractive neighbourhoods).

We regulate (sometimes too much) the amount of space developers can build to balance the interests of everybody involved. Unfortunately the HRM usually doesn't require much of building designs, so we get the city gets the bare minimum.

Cities like Vancouver do have design review boards. The quality of designs for new construction here is considerably higher here than it is in Halifax. The difference can only be partly attributed to property values -- some expensive buildings in Halifax are uglier than their Vancouver counterparts. Letson and Garden Crest are examples of this.

But stating that the use of precast panels is a "major compromise" is just too general of a statement. Precast panels are concrete components that are manufactured within a factory controlled environment. Many companies that make such panels are ISO certified. Most precast manufacturers also make various other concrete structural components that are used in everything from bridges to skyscrapers.

Although it is not my field, I have read enough about precast innovations such as pre-stressed and post-stressed concrete structural members to believe that precast concrete components are innovative materials instead of a major compromise. Such is the case with precast panels - although some appear to be cheap (such as some containing cheap looking brick veneers which may be poorly installed) the possible variations are almost endless so the appearance will be dictated by the people designing the panels, not by whether they are precast panels or not. The long term result will also depend on the concrete used in the precast components - a cheap, poorly processed grade of concrete will effloresce and possibly crack in the long run.

I wouldn't even consider precast panels to be extremely cheap materials - they certainly wouldn't be at the bottom of the price range such as vinyl siding is.

Maybe it would be better to say that the use of unattractive precast panels should be eliminated - but the same can be said about real brick and stone, some "real" brick installations look extremely bad.

[Empire]

I'm going to have to come to the defense of the Aliant switching building. Most of these older infrastructure buildings are built so you can't see in; it's a security mechanism. Does that make it better? No.

:)

The security angle used by phone companies to justify a building with no windows is a smoke screen. A building with no windows is easier to build, maintain and heat. It's too bad the public has bought into it for decades.

[Empire]

I have to disagree with you on this item. This one (Letson?) looks good to me. Much better than these real brick buildings - Scotia Square Apartments (http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=brunswick+street,+halifax&hl=en&ll=44.645788,-63.572903&spn=0.024793,0.066047&z=15&layer=c&cbll=44.648594,-63.577937&panoid=vSNu6JOFHtwAb0RviL9AFA&cbp=12,24.57,,0,-13.27) . I think in some cases, precast panels can look very good.

PS: Here is an example from Burlington, Ontario - http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=burlington,+ontario&hl=en&ll=43.325084,-79.794667&spn=0.005729,0.033023&z=16&layer=c&cbll=43.325089,-79.794675&panoid=vAuDVBaU_1M62z5Agc_qsQ&cbp=11,2.38,,0,-12.22 . This is a great looking apartment (or condo?) building in a ritzy part of Burlington along Lakeshore Road (it looks better than most brick buildings that I have seen). In my opinion, this is one of the nicest areas in the Greater Toronto area (one thing to note is the absence of hydro poles and hydro lines).

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I dislike the building for a number of reaasons. The champagne tinted slabs look very bland. The whole building looks as though it came in a crate and someone did a poor job of putting it togetger. The balcony slabs are unfinished and clash with the railings. The condensing units are located on the small balconies which is an eysore in itself.
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=en&ll=44.641487,-63.572221&spn=0,0.003739&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=27.497013,61.259766&z=18&layer=c&cbll=44.641526,-63.572072&panoid=sp2gjOONwVZxRefXzvkt8w&cbp=12,182.5,,3,-21.01

Perhaps if the building was finished with drivit it wouldn't look so cheap. For me there is nothing appealing about the building. The windows are cheap without lintels and the entry precast has fake concrete blocks etched in the columns as seen here.
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=en&ll=44.641525,-63.572071&spn=0,0.003739&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=27.497013,61.259766&z=18&layer=c&cbll=44.641486,-63.57222&panoid=_eMbgOxBG7SVIShD3NCdig&cbp=12,146.12,,1,10.81

[someone123]

Who said that all brick buildings are attractive? Many, like the Gottingen police HQ, are not.

It is possible that some precast panels somewhere have been used to great effect aesthetically (I am not talking about their value as structural components). Is there a single prominent example in Halifax?

[fenwick16]

Am I the only one who likes this building - http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=en&ll=44.641525,-63.572071&spn=0.002985,0.008256&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=27.497013,61.259766&layer=c&cbll=44.641564,-63.571929&panoid=RqCinWwc2YXwEJrctBNFVw&cbp=12,206.01,,0,-16.33&z=18 ?

I actually like the shape of the balconies, the balcony railings, the rounded end-sections, and even the imitation stonework detail. I even like the roof. The last time that I was in that neighbourhood was almost 25 years ago; so Empire you are a better judge than I am. I can only see it through Street View. However, that neighourhood appears to have gone more upscale in the past 30 years since I lived in that general area.

I don't think that the older apartment buildings in that neighbourhood look better than the Letson's Court building (in my opinion). This is where I lived 30 years ago - http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=en&ll=44.638181,-63.572393&spn=0.001351,0.008256&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=27.497013,61.259766&layer=c&cbll=44.638154,-63.57139&panoid=OCLYC2WN5pzOl6YqpEuxmA&cbp=11,305.79,,0,-8.77&z=18 . Although it was a decent apartment building with cheap rent, it doesn't have the common amenities of modern apartment (or condo) buildings.

[fenwick16]

I just noticed this in Street View - http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=Halifax,+5231+Kent+Street,+Nova+Scotia&hl=en&ll=44.638307,-63.5708&spn=0.005405,0.033023&sll=44.638307,-63.570794&sspn=0.003004,0.008256&z=16&layer=c&cbll=44.638309,-63.570795&panoid=meTuqsqOvAfj7OT3dwVVhw&cbp=11,320.08,,0,-21.35 . This has to be the worst exterior finish in all of the HRM! There should be a group organized with a mission of rectifying such horrific renovations (surely this can't be the original exterior?). How was this ever allowed to get past the permit stage? It looks like it was built 40 - 50 years ago, so I don't really expect an answer.

[Empire]

Am I the only one who likes this building - http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=en&ll=44.641525,-63.572071&spn=0.002985,0.008256&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=27.497013,61.259766&layer=c&cbll=44.641564,-63.571929&panoid=RqCinWwc2YXwEJrctBNFVw&cbp=12,206.01,,0,-16.33&z=18 ?

I actually like the shape of the balconies, the balcony railings, the rounded end-sections, and even the imitation stonework detail. I even like the roof. The last time that I was in that neighbourhood was almost 25 years ago; so Empire you are a better judge than I am. I can only see it through Street View. However, that neighourhood appears to have gone more upscale in the past 30 years since I lived in that general area.

I don't think that the older apartment buildings in that neighbourhood look better than the Letson's Court building (in my opinion). This is where I lived 30 years ago - http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=en&ll=44.638181,-63.572393&spn=0.001351,0.008256&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=27.497013,61.259766&layer=c&cbll=44.638154,-63.57139&panoid=OCLYC2WN5pzOl6YqpEuxmA&cbp=11,305.79,,0,-8.77&z=18 . Although it was a decent apartment building with cheap rent, it doesn't have the common amenities of modern apartment (or condo) buildings.

Here is an example of a great older building on Morris St.
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=HALIFAX&hl=en&ll=44.64092,-63.573742&spn=0,0.001869&z=19&layer=c&cbll=44.641021,-63.573792&panoid=bElg-Jd6kLS2OPMoQ3DYlA&cbp=12,225,,0,-22.5

This next building was clad in precast from the late 70's. Fort Massey is one of the ugliest buildings in the city and I lived there for 2 years. I think this is why I am so down on concrete precast.
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=HALIFAX&hl=en&ll=44.640718,-63.572565&spn=0,0.003653&z=19&layer=c&cbll=44.640717,-63.573638&panoid=g7c3e38SZe2C_UD3Q1bcZA&cbp=12,201.33,,0,-22.5

I think Fort massey is surpassed in ugliness by Churchill Apts. from the same era. This building has everything, ugly blank wall facing Morris St., cheap layer cake tin cladding and no thought in the design whatsoever. I find it discouraging that there was nothing learned by the outcome of these two buildings.
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=HALIFAX&hl=en&ll=44.64092,-63.573742&spn=0,0.002631&z=19&layer=c&cbll=44.641021,-63.573792&panoid=bElg-Jd6kLS2OPMoQ3DYlA&cbp=12,111.33,,0,-22.5

[fenwick16]

Here is an example of a great older building on Morris St.
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=HALIFAX&hl=en&ll=44.64092,-63.573742&spn=0,0.001869&z=19&layer=c&cbll=44.641021,-63.573792&panoid=bElg-Jd6kLS2OPMoQ3DYlA&cbp=12,225,,0,-22.5

This next building was clad in precast from the late 70's. Fort Massey is one of the ugliest buildings in the city and I lived there for 2 years. I think this is why I am so down on concrete precast.
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=HALIFAX&hl=en&ll=44.640718,-63.572565&spn=0,0.003653&z=19&layer=c&cbll=44.640717,-63.573638&panoid=g7c3e38SZe2C_UD3Q1bcZA&cbp=12,201.33,,0,-22.5

I think Fort massey is surpassed in ugliness by Churchill Apts. from the same era. This building has everything, ugly blank wall facing Morris St., cheap layer cake tin cladding and no thought in the design whatsoever. I find it discouraging that there was nothing learned by the outcome of these two buildings.
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=HALIFAX&hl=en&ll=44.64092,-63.573742&spn=0,0.002631&z=19&layer=c&cbll=44.641021,-63.573792&panoid=bElg-Jd6kLS2OPMoQ3DYlA&cbp=12,111.33,,0,-22.5

Yes, I have to agree completely. The Fort Massey building is a horrific example of the concrete era of the 1970's. However, I am sure that precast panels have improved greatly since then (I can't tell for sure if Fort Massey is precast or poured concrete?)

The Churchill Apts. is even more horrific.

We can only hope that these buildings will be reclad in the future.

[Dmajackson]

Yes, I have to agree completely. The Fort Massey building is a horrific example of the concrete era of the 1970's. However, I am sure that precast panels have improved greatly since then (I can't tell for sure if Fort Massey is precast or poured concrete?)

The Churchill Apts. is even more horrific.

We can only hope that these buildings will be reclad in the future.

Reclad? I have an example that should be outright demolished with no questions asked;

Victoria Road & Vanessa Drive (http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=44.676593,-63.57931&spn=0,0.00327&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=44.676522,-63.579196&panoid=5IPiJ0klIV3R4Z0ePa7ZLQ&cbp=12,60.28,,1,6.21)

And of course this neghibourhood has other wonderful landmarks like the former strip club (http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=44.672001,-63.581094&spn=0,0.00327&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=44.672,-63.581159&panoid=agslWQ8nJevFrW0S855uIg&cbp=12,169.8,,0,-2.88), and The Old Mill (200 Wyse Road) (http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=44.673818,-63.583894&spn=0,0.00327&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=44.673738,-63.583785&panoid=s4i1xW1gnpBMvANu0h9gqg&cbp=12,15.9,,0,-8.56)

[fenwick16]

Reclad? I have an example that should be outright demolished with no questions asked;

Victoria Road & Vanessa Drive (http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=44.676593,-63.57931&spn=0,0.00327&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=44.676522,-63.579196&panoid=5IPiJ0klIV3R4Z0ePa7ZLQ&cbp=12,60.28,,1,6.21)

And of course this neghibourhood has other wonderful landmarks like the former strip club (http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=44.672001,-63.581094&spn=0,0.00327&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=44.672,-63.581159&panoid=agslWQ8nJevFrW0S855uIg&cbp=12,169.8,,0,-2.88), and The Old Mill (200 Wyse Road) (http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=44.673818,-63.583894&spn=0,0.00327&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=44.673738,-63.583785&panoid=s4i1xW1gnpBMvANu0h9gqg&cbp=12,15.9,,0,-8.56)

Although I agree with you on the second two examples, this one at Victoria Road & Vanessa Drive (http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=44.676593,-63.57931&spn=0,0.00327&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=44.676522,-63.579196&panoid=5IPiJ0klIV3R4Z0ePa7ZLQ&cbp=12,60.28,,1,6.21) is more a case of unique design (quite possibly an abomination to many). Although many, including me, would agree that demolishing it would be best, I would not consider it to be a case of poor cladding (maybe poor architectural design?). I am not saying that I like the design; I am simply saying that it is unique (possibly uniquely distasteful?).

In the case of Fort Massey apartments (an example posted by Empire), if it is precast panels then the panels could be removed and replaced, such as is being proposed for Fenwick Tower (since they are fastened with metal fasteners). However, if the Fort Massey Apartments exterior walls are actually poured concrete then a reclad might not be possible (other than to cover it with something else).

I just want to point out that examples of horrific looking architecture is not something unique to Halifax. The Greater Toronto Area probably has 10 times as many examples - monolithic concrete structures from the 50's, 60' and 70's. It also has its share of small rundown wooden buildings. Newer cities such as Mississauga were able to mostly miss that concrete architectural era of the 50's, 60's and 70's. That was the brutalist architecture era, here are some Google images to illustrate that era - http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGLL_enCA362CA362&q=brutalist%20architecture&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=722967l729596l0l22l21l0l13l13l0l232l1354l1.4.3l8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1920&bih=887 (what were architects thinking back then?)

[Keith P.]

The Victoria at Vanessa property was originally a Sobey's store until the mid-60s. Charlie Keating bought it and turned it into the money machine known as Dartmouth Cable TV and its subsequent incarnations. When he sold out he kept the building for his various activities and it is still used by his family for whatever they now do.

[Empire]

Although I agree with you on the second two examples, this one at Victoria Road & Vanessa Drive (http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=44.676593,-63.57931&spn=0,0.00327&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=44.676522,-63.579196&panoid=5IPiJ0klIV3R4Z0ePa7ZLQ&cbp=12,60.28,,1,6.21) is more a case of unique design (quite possibly an abomination to many). Although many, including me, would agree that demolishing it would be best, I would not consider it to be a case of poor cladding (maybe poor architectural design?). I am not saying that I like the design; I am simply saying that it is unique (possibly uniquely distasteful?).

In the case of Fort Massey apartments (an example posted by Empire), if it is precast panels then the panels could be removed and replaced, such as is being proposed for Fenwick Tower (since they are fastened with metal fasteners). However, if the Fort Massey Apartments exterior walls are actually poured concrete then a reclad might not be possible (other than to cover it with something else).

I just want to point out that examples of horrific looking architecture is not something unique to Halifax. The Greater Toronto Area probably has 10 times as many examples - monolithic concrete structures from the 50's, 60' and 70's. It also has its share of small rundown wooden buildings. Newer cities such as Mississauga were able to mostly miss that concrete architectural era of the 50's, 60's and 70's. That was the brutalist architecture era, here are some Google images to illustrate that era - http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGLL_enCA362CA362&q=brutalist%20architecture&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=722967l729596l0l22l21l0l13l13l0l232l1354l1.4.3l8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1920&bih=887 (what were architects thinking back then?)

Toronto certainly has its share of ugly buildings and unfortunately they were part of the big boom that started in the 50"s and hasn't stopped. As you point out it started to turn in the 70's with better quality and innovative designs.

Maybe we should start a "Halifax Architecture and Buildings Requiring Improvements" thread as it would be a good reference for the Design Review Committe, planning staff, developers, architects etc. Maybe some of these buildings would even get upgraded as a result?

[fenwick16]

Toronto certainly has its share of ugly buildings and unfortunately they were part of the big boom that started in the 50"s and hasn't stopped. As you point out it started to turn in the 70's with better quality and innovative designs.

Maybe we should start a "Halifax Architecture and Buildings Requiring Improvements" thread as it would be a good reference for the Design Review Committe, planning staff, developers, architects etc. Maybe some of these buildings would even get upgraded as a result?

This is an interesting idea. However, I can see some heated debates occurring since people will probably concur only on the most horrific examples.

[Jonovision]

Finally got around to taking some pics.

http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/48876/2977575280096709958S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2977575280096709958NonXxS)

http://inlinethumb51.webshots.com/9266/2604813600096709958S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2604813600096709958BwMBYH)

http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/46948/2599617020096709958S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2599617020096709958VUDZrN)

http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/46056/2751925880096709958S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2751925880096709958CWLdQC)

http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/9489/2762055300096709958S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2762055300096709958OWqflI)

http://inlinethumb56.webshots.com/46903/2026784670096709958S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2026784670096709958SFsrqM)

http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/49030/2684103120096709958S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2684103120096709958zmNtMm)

http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/46774/2306754970096709958S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2306754970096709958wqpwHU)

http://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/48193/2280566730096709958S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2280566730096709958hSBzDO)

http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/46752/2825914730096709958S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2825914730096709958YPgjcN)

http://inlinethumb05.webshots.com/46724/2610187550096709958S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2610187550096709958HQgSUZ)

[worldlyhaligonian]

Thanks for the update. I think the exterior materials are attractive. I hope we can see development of this quality in the north end.

[fenwick16]

Thanks for posting the picture Jonovision. It appears as though this will be an attractive building. It will be interesting to see how the completed cladding will turn out.

There seems to be some natural wood panels - I wonder if this is real wood or imitation?

[Jonovision]

I'm fairly certain the wood is real. Both under the solarium and the shingles.

[someone123]

I find the exterior a little busy but I think it is a great addition.

The building nicely complements the neighbourhood. I like how it fits into the Hollis/Morris streetscape of older rowhouses and how it looks next to the church steeples. A great mix of old and new.

I hope we see a new round of infill buildings for this neighbourhood (maybe the rumoured development around Barrington/Kent/Green Street or so and South/Hollis). There's still lots of room for improvement and there is a huge amount of potential. If I worked in downtown Halifax I'd definitely consider living in this part of the city.

[kph06]

I'm fairly certain the wood is real. Both under the solarium and the shingles.

I think the shingles are a new type of composite or plastic, they come in strips of about 8 shingles, newer homes and renovations are using them now.

[eastcoastal]

I think the shingles are a new type of composite or plastic, they come in strips of about 8 shingles, newer homes and renovations are using them now.

Yeah - I saw these half-installed the other day. The "shingles" were in continuous strips. I would agree that these are probably composite... or cementitious, like Hardiboard or CertainTeed.

[kwajo]

I find the exterior a little busy but I think it is a great addition.

The building nicely complements the neighbourhood. I like how it fits into the Hollis/Morris streetscape of older rowhouses and how it looks next to the church steeples. A great mix of old and new.

I hope we see a new round of infill buildings for this neighbourhood (maybe the rumoured development around Barrington/Kent/Green Street or so and South/Hollis). There's still lots of room for improvement and there is a huge amount of potential. If I worked in downtown Halifax I'd definitely consider living in this part of the city.
I think it looks busy now because a lot of the cladding is at different stages of installation, but I think the finished product will look fine, especially from the street level where your eye focuses on a smaller portion of the building than a photo often does.

[someone123]

Yeah, it could look much better when it is cleaned up.

[HRM]

the "wood" is not real. Shingles and cementitious. Panels on the section with the VIC sign are cementitious. Cream "stone" bling is foam. White LW street panels are metal. The brown brick is real though. Looking at this building from the LW/Morris intersection presents a lot of materials and architectural styles to digest - South Beach/Miami art deco roof line, grey shingles as a nod to the old Victoria apartments and the business of the lines and era of the stone work are a lot. Not to mention that the combination of brown brick and cream "stone" is becoming ubiquitous in Halifax (VIC, Hydrostone, Luxor at 630 LUB).

But even with the above the building is pretty darn nice and a possible game changer for design in Halifax.

[Dmajackson]

Had a bit of time on my hands today;

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6015/5975257253_f82fafcdb8_z.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6005/5975821864_f1d807906a_z.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6128/5975825840_9684c8ca5b_z.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6125/5975269429_2394f96e5f_z.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6025/5975834134_738f3b8df2_z.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6023/5975277325_4d6ef91f9c_z.jpg

[beyeas]

well I think picture #3 answers the questions as to whether those are solid or not!

[DigitalNinja]

Not if he is super man.

[fenwick16]

Had a bit of time on my hands today;

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6128/5975825840_9684c8ca5b_z.jpg




Good eye beyeas.

It probably is solid, but probably solid, foamed polystyrene. Here is information on one of several manufacturers - http://www.foamfactory.com/foam-mouldings.html. Here are some different material grades in case anyone would like some impressive architectural polystyrene trim on their house ...:) http://www.foamfactory.com/foam-product-specs.html

[mcmcclassic]

A buddy of mine is moving into the Vic sometime next week- they are apparantly moving the first 5 floors of people in. I guess the first half of the building is all done on the inside and they want to get a revenue flow started ASAP.

[RyeJay]

Taken by myself, yesterday.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/RyJ/DSC00064.jpg

[JET]

A buddy of mine is moving into the Vic sometime next week- they are apparantly moving the first 5 floors of people in. I guess the first half of the building is all done on the inside and they want to get a revenue flow started ASAP.

moving in to the fifth floor without balcony railings? Interesting. :koko:

[Wishblade]

moving in to the fifth floor without balcony railings? Interesting. :koko:

Yeah, it doesn't sound right to me either. If I were moving into the building in the middle of summer I would be pretty upset about this, but their probably just going to have the balconies blocked off until they can put railings on. Though Im sure this will be done before too long.

[beyeas]

Yeah, it doesn't sound right to me either. If I were moving into the building in the middle of summer I would be pretty upset about this, but their probably just going to have the balconies blocked off until they can put railings on. Though Im sure this will be done before too long.

I would be shocked that they could obtain an occupancy permit without things like railings!

[HRM]

No problem to get an occupancy permit without railings. Just have to block access to the balcony from the outside. Same idea as when railings were removed from balonies at Park Vic.

[Northend Guy]

I have also heard that Lawen intends to have people in there next week... although my source was skeptical he can do it. I guess we'll see if he can pull it off. :cool:

[JET]

Hopefully there is a reduced rent, while work continues all around the place.

[beyeas]

No problem to get an occupancy permit without railings. Just have to block access to the balcony from the outside. Same idea as when railings were removed from balonies at Park Vic.

yeah good point.

[Wishblade]

It's reasons like this, among several others that I will never buy a unit in a building before its even built. There are just too many things that can go wrong.

[HRM]

It's reasons like this, among several others that I will never buy a unit in a building before its even built. There are just too many things that can go wrong.

VIC is a rental building.

[kph06]

I know some places in the W had to wait a couple months before the balconies had the railings on them and were unlocked. There was an 18-wheeler parked at the Vic today full of the red glass and railings.