[erbsenzaehler]

Some new renders of Al Burj/Tall Tower appeared on SkyscraperCity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=25861700#post25861700):

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/97/000987346635rw2.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2053/000987346690xc1.jpg


Wjfox (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=25867898#post25867898) calculated the height of it with Photoshop:

Burj Dubai -> 466 pixels high
Tall Tower -> 649 pixels high

So
649 / 466 = 1.3927

1.3927 x 819 -> it'd be around 1140 metres (3740 feet) high!

[M.K.]

you mean 1125m to be more exact, as BD only will have 808m. This new version is pretty more interesting, but seems me a rocket, too straight in lower parts. Where are to find high resolution those Starwars II cities?

[Dr. Taco]

I like it, if that's it

[erbsenzaehler]

Where are to find high resolution those Starwars II cities?

You mean the movie footage I posted on SSC?

Just go to Wookieepedia (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Coruscant) ;)

[NYC4Life]

The revised render looks great, but the exact height still isn't certain.

[M.K.]

You mean the movie footage I posted on SSC?

Just go to Wookieepedia (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Coruscant) ;) I went there, but after searching for a while, I find myself too difficult to reach the right place.

[Fabb]

It looks OK.
Nothing special beside its height.

[malec]

I'm still skeptical until real news from Nakheel comes out. We got duped by skytower before, won't happen again.

That design is very much like the old one in concept, just that it's circular instead of triangular and the spire is different.

[Ryan81]

I don't like it.....but I made a model anyway:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7312/im1222819997ma4.png

[[SP]Neo]

good model! but i don't like it too. its too boring at the buttom and in the upper parts its more like a sculpter...

[Nowhereman1280]

It would be way better if they cut those retarded fin things off the top...

[Fabb]

Someone mentiioned a rocket ship and I agree.
It's also like a huge pencil.
Nothing imaginative anyway.

[Ryan81]

I'm such a dork for this, BUT there has GOT to be at least 2 other people on this forum who might find this interesting.

There has been discussion before in these pages on just how ridiculously tall this building would be...How unfeasible it would be. These comments are usually followed by someone saying "You're just jealous that it's not being built in America" After building my own model and viewing it in a couple of American Cities (Chicago, New York City, and Kansas City - where I live) I can say without a doubt and without hesitation, that this tower would destroy ANY skyline....that is unless it's built in the middle of nowhere, with nothing around it of any significant height. It's easier to underestimate it's immense size without seeing in relation to other tall buildings.

If there are any others on this forum who are dorks like me and would like to see how this thing matches up in other cities, click below:

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/cldetails?mid=7b19254c2d0da204de762ab1db2f1e4b

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9287/talltowerinchivk5.jpghttp://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3943/talltowerinnyxs0.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4042/talltowerinkcso3.jpg

[Dr. Taco]

lol, that's awesome, ryan. thanks for doing that work

[gttx]

It's strange that a "new" rendering would revert to the 3-tower idea of the original.......moving completely away from the last "new" rendering we saw.

Either way, it's just too big for me. That's what she said.

[malec]

^^ The last "new" render was fake (actually was a 270m proposal for some other place) and was said to be al burj by skytower who fooled us all. Who knows. maybe this new render is also fake. That's what I think in fact and that's what I'll think of all the renders until a proper press release comes out from Nakheel.

[Aleks]

About being jealous-I think that only applies to most buildings that look good. I don't think anybody in this forum has said they want a building that looks like this in they're city. I sure haven't. But it seems like some people are on some cool buildings though.

[NYC4Life]

LOL..Love how the Tower easily dwarfs Kansas City.

[MapleLeaf]

Mmmmm. I don´t really like the new one. As said before, it´s a bit boring but maybe there are not that many different ways to build such a monster.

@Ryan81: Amazing. Especially Chicago. The Spire looks like a child of it. :haha:

[M.K.]

Please Ryan81. As your diagram is deleted, because it is estimated height to 1125pixels and the base was floating, can you please reupload again correcting those discrepancies? Thanks very much.

[vanhenrik]

Revealed: Plans to build the world's tallest building at 1km high

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/10/05/article-0-02E83D5400000578-239_233x666.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1069030/Revealed-Plans-build-worlds-tallest-building-1km-high.html


Plans to construct what could become the world's tallest building, at more than 1km high, were unveiled today.

Dubai developer Nakheel - the company that created man-made islands in the shapes of a palm tree and the world - said the structure will be the centre-piece of an inner-city harbour set to become the emirate's new, unofficial capital.

It would not comment on exactly how high or how expensive the Islamic design-inspired Nakheel Tower will be. The building will have "more than 200 floors" and be part of "a multi-billion pound development", the company said.

But "tallest building" claims are notoriously difficult to make. Debates about what counts as a candidate include whether buildings under construction should be considered and whether roof-top antennas count.

What is certain is that the tower will climb above what is said to be current holder of the "world's tallest building" position - the emirate's own Burj Dubai.

Speaking at a press conference today, a cautious Nakheel chief executive officer, Christopher O'Donnell, said: "From our perspective, we are building a tower that's going to be over 1km in height. This is a complete iconic development. It may be the tallest. Someone may build something taller."

The Nakheel Tower will have around 150 lifts and be built with some 500,000m3 of concrete. If the reinforcing bars planned were laid end to end, they would stretch from Dubai to New York.

The building will have enough cooling capacity to air-condition more than 14,000 modern homes.

It will be so tall that it experiences five different microclimatic conditions over its height. The temperature in the atmosphere at the top of the building could be as much as 10 degrees cooler than the bottom.

Planned high speed shuttle lifts will allow people to see the sunset twice - from the bottom and again from the top of the building.

Asked if Nakheel was concerned about embarking on such a development during a banking crisis, Mr O'Donnell said: "It was always going to be a project that would take 10 years-plus. When you go about trying to fund a project like this, you have to take account of the economic cycles."

The tower and harbour project will take more than 10 years to complete.

Apart from the landmark structure, there will also be another 40 towers, ranging in height from 20 floors to 90 floors. The entire development will be home to more than 55,000 people and a work place for more than 45,000 people.

Nakheel executive chairman, His Excellency Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem, said: "There is nothing like it in Dubai. Nakheel Harbour and Tower is located in the heart of 'new Dubai', where we have focused on creating a true community, a location for living, working, relaxing and entertaining, for art and culture. All of this is concentrated in one area."

Nakheem said the designs of the planned harbour and tower were inspired by landmarks of Islamic design - including the gardens of Alhambra in Spain, the harbour of Alexandria in Egypt, the promenade of Tangier in Morocco and the bridges of Isfahan in Iran.

"With the Islamic influences governing its design, Nakheel Tower has been able to reach its height of more than a kilometre," said His Excellency.

"This inspired approach has enabled us to achieve a number of amazing feats of engineering, for example the tower will be the world's tallest concrete structure."
Nakheel's other developments in Dubai include the Palm Jumeirah and The World - man-made island communities for the wealthy.

http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2008/tall_tower-burj_dubai.jpg

[TANGELD_SLC]

Nakheel Harbour and Tower... Over a kilometre tall.... WOW I wonder what they're going to do with dubai when the financial markets fail and nobody wants to do business there.... Anyways here's a pic I found on Yahoo! news
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20081005/capt.d994163695f64a98a585de5d5a5816cc.emirates_nakheel_harbour___tower_xkj102.jpg?x=252&y=345&q=85&sig=uVECQoMB4saqWqjTs6I7bg--

[vanhenrik]

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9859/podiumok3.jpg

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/3557/pod2lj9.jpg

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/images/magazines/arabianbusiness.com/web/fullsize/Nampucha1_full.jpg

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/images/magazines/arabianbusiness.com/web/fullsize/Nampucha2_full.jpg

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/images/magazines/arabianbusiness.com/web/fullsize/Nampucha3_full.jpg

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/images/magazines/arabianbusiness.com/web/fullsize/Nampucha5_full.jpg

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/images/magazines/arabianbusiness.com/web/fullsize/Nampucha6_full.jpg

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/images/magazines/arabianbusiness.com/web/fullsize/Nampucha7_full.jpg

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/images/magazines/arabianbusiness.com/web/fullsize/Nampucha8_full.jpg

[NYC4Life]

The scale of this tower is simply stunning, twice the height of the Chicago Spire.

[M.K.]

Wonderful images. @ Malec, could you also include the base in your diagram? Much better the whole complex not only the straight rocket. I would like to be alive to see all that finished in the next 50 years, but who knows.

[malec]

Massive renders:

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1883/081005horizonrp3.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=081005horizonrp3.jpg)http://img171.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9253/081005nhcloseupmu2.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=081005nhcloseupmu2.jpg)http://img171.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/4882/081005nhharbordayeb3.th.jpg (http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=081005nhharbordayeb3.jpg)http://img353.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

[vanhenrik]

Massive renders:

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1883/081005horizonrp3.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=081005horizonrp3.jpg)http://img171.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9253/081005nhcloseupmu2.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=081005nhcloseupmu2.jpg)http://img171.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/4882/081005nhharbordayeb3.th.jpg (http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=081005nhharbordayeb3.jpg)http://img353.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)



http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1874/63415926ta2.jpg


http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7084/40704052mi7.jpg

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6870/68290242ed9.jpg

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

[Manahata]

Dubai Plans to Top Its World's Tallest Tower


http://http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,432893,00.html

With its world's tallest building nearing completion, Dubai said Sunday it is embarking on an even more ambitious skyscraper: one that will soar more than 10 American football fields.

That's about two-thirds of a mile or the height of more than three of New York's Chrysler Buildings stacked end-to-end.

Babel had nothing on this place.

"This is unbelievably groundbreaking design," Chief Executive Chris O'Donnell said during a briefing at the company's sales center, not far from the proposed site. "This still takes my breath away."

The tower, which will take more than a decade to complete, will be the centerpiece of a sprawling development state-owned builder Nakheel plans to create in the rapidly growing "New Dubai" section of the city. Foundation work has already begun, O'Donnell said.

The area is located between two of the city's artificial palm-shaped islands, which Nakheel also built. The project will include a manmade inland harbor and 40 additional towers up to 90 floors high.

About 150 elevators will carry employees and workers to the Nakheel Tower's more than 200 floors, the company said. The building will be composed of four separate towers joined at various levels and centered on an open atrium.

"It does show a lot of confidence in this environment" of worldwide credit problems and a souring global economy, said Marios Maratheftis, Standard Chartered Bank's Dubai-based regional head of research.

As part of government-run conglomerate Dubai World, Nakheel has played a major role in creating modern-day Dubai, a city that has blossomed from a tiny Persian Gulf fishing and pearling village into a major business and tourism hub in a matter of decades.

Besides the growing archipelago of man-made islands for which it is best known, Nakheel is responsible for a number of the city's malls, hotels and hundreds of apartment buildings.

The company said the new project is inspired by Islamic design and draws inspiration from sites such as the Alhambra in Spain and the harbor of Alexandria in Egypt.

"This is nothing like it in Dubai," said Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem, Nakheel's chairman.

Perhaps not quite. But Dubai is already home to the world's tallest building, even if it remains unfinished.

That skyscraper, the Burj Dubai, or Dubai Tower in Arabic, is being built by Nakheel's chief competitor, Emaar Properties.

Emaar has kept the final height of the silvery steel-and-glass tower a closely guarded secret, saying only that it stood at a "new record height" of 2,257 feet at the start of last month. It's due to be finished next September.

The final height of Nakheel's proposed tower is likewise a secret, as is the price tag. The company would only say it will be more than 3,281 feet tall.

O'Donnell said he was confident that Nakheel could pay for the project despite the financial troubles roiling the world's economy.

He also brushed aside concerns by some analysts that Dubai's property market is becoming overheated and due for a potentially sharp correction.

"In Dubai, demand outstrips supply," he said. "There might be a slowdown, but there definitely won't be a crash."


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,432893,00.html

[kenratboy]

That story has been the leading story on FoxNews.com for many hours. SRSBZNS right here.

[amor de cosmos]

looks way better than burj dubai imho

[Yume-sama]

Simply stunning.

[Hayward]

Watching construction will be incredibly interesting. Especially where it bends toward the top. The scale is huge.

[Northwest]

Yes the scale of this is simply unreal. I want to see this built just for the sake of proving that its possible.

[Ktulured55]

When will this get moved to 'under construction' ? This building looks great to me.

[L.u.v.]

I love it. This is just such a contrast to the Burj Dubai, it looks strong where-as I've always felt the Burj looked like it was struggling to reach it's height.

[vanhenrik]

When will this get moved to 'under construction' ? This building looks great to me.

part of it is alredy 'under construction' they are working whit the philes right now !
so we can posebly se this bulding starts rising in the end of 2009

[Fabb]

This mega-skyscraper will look weird if the promised 90-story towers are not built.

[staff]

Crazy!

[MolsonExport]

Surely, the excessive era of pure speculation must be drawing to a close, even in Dubai?

[aaron38]

Saw the article on this in my local paper, seems everyone's picked it up.

I do quite like this design far far better than the original Al-Burj. The organic branching at the top is nice, as is the 4-towers-in-one theme.
It is massively huge though. That they're shooting for 2020 sounds about right.

[America 117]

The scale of this tower is simply stunning, twice the height of the Chicago Spire.

Umm... If you know basic math, you would know that its not twice the hight at all.:koko:

The tower is ok, better then burj dubai, but it dosent really appeal to me. Too bad, dubai could have built a nice tower for worlds tallest,
oh well another disappointment.

[vanhenrik]

from 234sale

http://i35.tinypic.com/2d0e8hj.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/10ojo15.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/25p046h.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/ic7hc8.jpg

Here the 1st video from Cityscape, Dubai

http://www.ameinfo.com/170471.html

[Alliance]

Wow. Continued ugliness. Too bad it has to cheat its height.

[NYC4Life]

Umm... If you know basic math, you would know that its not twice the hight at all.:koko:

The tower is ok, better then burj dubai, but it dosent really appeal to me. Too bad, dubai could have built a nice tower for worlds tallest,
oh well another disappointment.

If the tower is built to a height of more than a kilometer (as a previous post states) then it will come close to being twice the height of the Spire.

[NYC4Life]

Wow. Continued ugliness. Too bad it has to cheat its height.

This tower is similar in appearence to the Chicago Spire, so if this tower is ugly, then the Spire must be worst. Don't forget Islamic tradition was put into the architecture of this tower. Even if this tower "cheated" in height, it would still reach, or surpass the Burj Dubai, so what exactly are your points?

Total Chicago bias on this site. :koko:

[malec]

I can't see any reference to islamic design here. Doesn't matter what it looks like if it doesn't apply some of the principles then it's not an example.

In fairness this version of al burj is pretty average. Atrium City is waaay better.

[williamchung taiwan]

From bizzybonita on SSC


http://i35.tinypic.com/1ju6fo.jpg
It already start!!!
When it finish, I will be 30 something years old.:notacrook:

[CGII]

This tower is similar in appearence to the Chicago Spire, so if this tower is ugly, then the Spire must be worst.
Erm, have you seen the design of Chicago Spire? What on Earth are you talking about? They are two radically different buildings.

Don't forget Islamic tradition was put into the architecture of this tower.

Do you know even the slightest thing about traditional Islamic architecture? Or are you just going to repeat the developer jargin here for me? Because this tower has nothing to do with the roots it claims it does.

[NYC4Life]

Erm, have you seen the design of Chicago Spire? What on Earth are you talking about? They are two radically different buildings.

I have since the Fordham Spire days. This tower would certainly receive much better praise if it were built in Chicago or in NY, needless to say. Too much bias exists on this site. While we tend to praise ugly monstrocities built here and certainly towers like The Spire, that looks nothing more than a pencil, we bash the architecture from overseas. Remember, even if we don't think these towers are good architecturally, they are all icons of engineering that we here in the U.S. can't quite match these days, and certainly Dubai is the forerunner.



Do you know even the slightest thing about traditional Islamic architecture? Or are you just going to repeat the developer jargin here for me? Because this tower has nothing to do with the roots it claims it does.


Are you trying to disprove the article's source? How would you know if this tower does not have any Islamic roots? Both the developer and the tower itself are in Dubai. Hopefully you don't feel the same about the Petronas Towers in Malaysia.

[amor de cosmos]

Yes, they are two different buildings. The Spire is definitely the worst; this Tall Tower building looks really good. :tup:

[America 117]

This tower is similar in appearence to the Chicago Spire, so if this tower is ugly, then the Spire must be worst. Don't forget Islamic tradition was put into the architecture of this tower. Even if this tower "cheated" in height, it would still reach, or surpass the Burj Dubai, so what exactly are your points?

Total Chicago bias on this site. :koko:

not really. there is no similar appearence what so ever. were are you getting that from.:koko:

[NYC4Life]

This tower is no longer called the "Tall Tower" nor " Al Burj." From Nakheel's official website, it is now called "Nakheel Harbour & Tower."

http://www.nakheelharbour.com/

http://media.cdn.nakheel.com/portal/nakcom/static/nakheel/images/news/main_nakheel_harbour_and_tower.jpg

http://media.cdn.nakheel.com/portal/nakcom/static/nakheel/images/news/main_nakheel_harbour_and_tower_2.jpg

[NYC4Life]

For some reson you have hated the chicago spire from day one.
I say that tall tower is definitely the worst and chicago spire looks really good,
And I bet most people would agree with me.

The only ones who agree the Spire looks good are those from Chicago. Basically every tower built in Chicago looks "good" while towers built in other Cities and Countries don't? Hmmm. :sly:

The bias on this site towards Chicago is pretty unbelivable, and those are the same people who deny the Spire's construction is halted at the moment. Over at Skyscrapercity, this bias sure doesn't exists. I don't have anything against Chicago at all, but not everything on this site has to be about Chicago, or it being better in skyscrapers cause the Spire certainly isn't pretty. I think many here are affraid of the incredible developments taking place in Dubai, whether or not we agree on how good they look, Dubai is on a league of its own right now. While I believe Dubai has gone overboard with some of its developments, it is proving to the world that it is at the current forefront of Skyscraper building. For those who still doubt The Nakheel Tower doesn't have any Islamic influence in its design, need to visit the official site.

[lakegz]

Dubai has its own versions of the ESB and Chrysler now. An undisputable behemoth of a tower and a previous record holding dame. Two towers that should reign high together for many years to come.

[NYC4Life]

Im going to ignore your comment, for there are many things I could say but I wont. even when your post diden't make sense
and I just want to know is the tower hollow?

Check the Skyscrapercity thread on this tower. Most people there are embracing the tower (or at least have a favorable view) while here there's been nothing but bashing, most of which are coming from Chicagoans like you (who are probably affraid of this tower competing with the Spire).

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=722506

[Puzzlecraft]

"Nakheel Harbour & Tower" refers to the whole development project, I have the impression the building itself is "Nakheel Tower". I think the building is really cool looking.

[Fabb]

The new models/renderings are breathtaking.
Unlike BD, that is basically a huge, shiny sculpture, this tower, belongs in the pure tradition of skyscrapers... and I love the concept of vertical avenue.

[Cypherus]

Arguments that this tower is ugly do not add up. It's on par with the design mechanics of the recently proposed Shanghai Center, and has more character than the overly glorified Chicago Corkscrew - I mean Spire.

[amor de cosmos]

and I just want to know is the tower hollow?

according to the website it will be 4 buildings arranged in a circle, with 4-story, full-diameter skybridges every ~25 floors.

[bendecido]

They just keep going deeper into the realm of the ridiculous. It's like a flat woman getting FFF sized implants to impress.

[zagreb]

dubai is just amazing, when it comes to skyscrapers, nothing comes close, NOTHIG. Dont forget we have another 2.4 kilometer building around the corner.

[LoverOfDubai]

This tower is no longer called the "Tall Tower" nor " Al Burj." From Nakheel's official website, it is now called "Nakheel Harbour & Tower."

http://www.nakheelharbour.com/

http://media.cdn.nakheel.com/portal/nakcom/static/nakheel/images/news/main_nakheel_harbour_and_tower.jpg

http://media.cdn.nakheel.com/portal/nakcom/static/nakheel/images/news/main_nakheel_harbour_and_tower_2.jpg

"Nakheel Harbour & Tower" refers to the whole development project, I have the impression the building itself is "Nakheel Tower". I think the building is really cool looking.

Yes, I believe Puzzlecraft is correct.

At Nakheel's press release (http://www.nakheel.com/news/islamic-ingenuity-inspires-dubais-capital-nakheel-harbour-tower), Nakheel uses "Nakheel Harbour & Tower" multiple times.
But, there are several cases in which Nakheel uses "Nakheel Tower."
This means "Nakheel Tower" is the name of the tower and "Nakheel Harbour & Tower" is the entire development.

[NYC4Life]

Yes, I believe Puzzlecraft is correct.

At Nakheel's press release (http://www.nakheel.com/news/islamic-ingenuity-inspires-dubais-capital-nakheel-harbour-tower), Nakheel uses "Nakheel Harbour & Tower" multiple times.
But, there are several cases in which Nakheel uses "Nakheel Tower."
This means "Nakheel Tower" is the name of the tower and "Nakheel Harbour & Tower" is the entire development.

You both are correct, now lets get a moderator to change the title, who BTW can't quite keep up with news.

[Tom Servo]

And wait a second, is this tower hollow inside? If it is then dubai is setting them selfs up for trouble.

why do you say that?

[vanhenrik]

http://www.nakheelharbour.com/

watch the presentation video end be amazed i promis you that !!!

[CGII]

I have since the Fordham Spire days. This tower would certainly receive much better praise if it were built in Chicago or in NY, needless to say. Too much bias exists on this site. While we tend to praise ugly monstrocities built here and certainly towers like The Spire, that looks nothing more than a pencil, we bash the architecture from overseas. Remember, even if we don't think these towers are good architecturally, they are all icons of engineering that we here in the U.S. can't quite match these days, and certainly Dubai is the forerunner.

Ever heard of the Beitler Telecom tower, proposed a few years back?

http://www.archidose.org/Blog/tweezer-spireLG.jpg
archidose.org
Most everyone hated it.

I don't understand why you need to turn an issue of architectural taste into an issue of regional snobbery, which is something it certainly isn't.


Are you trying to disprove the article's source? How would you know if this tower does not have any Islamic roots?
Um, I know more than a basic history of architecture? The article is merely repeating what is said by the developer, who is trying to sell a tower. How better to make it sound fantastic than conjure some nonsense about Islamic heritage?

Look, the developers of the Chicago Spire would have an even easier time selling their tower on traditional Islamic architectural influence if they wanted:
http://users.ox.ac.uk/~wolf0126/photos/samarra0.jpg
ox.ac.uk

Both the developer and the tower itself are in Dubai.
Wow, you are right! Simply because the developer and the tower itself are located in an Islamic region means the design is Islamic in origin! Just like how this building is an American design because it is located in New York!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1287/741224018_f245b02adb.jpg?v=0
menickstephensorg on flickr.com

You need to wisen up and start thinking for yourself. You don't necessarily have to think the building is ugly (as I do), but understand that just because a developer and some article tells you it is designed to reference ancient mosques and homage all sorts of symbolism doesn't mean it's true. And also you need to listen to what people have to say, this 'You just hate it because you are from Chicago and are jealous and my opinion is CS is the bane of existence and I AM RIGHT' mentality is just ridiculous.

[KevinFromTexas]

Let's leave Chicago and Chicago Spire out of this thread.

[Apex]

Forget the design, the thing is so tall it looks preposterous in its context.

http://media.cdn.nakheel.com/portal/nakcom/static/nakheel/images/news/main_nakheel_harbour_and_tower.jpg

Is this some kinda joke? I can't even take it seriously. I highly doubt it will get built, especially given the delicate situation (read: panic) in the economic climate. Hell, I doubt it CAN be built, I honestly don't think that humans can at this point. It kinda reminds me of that X-Seed project, but not quite as sci-fi.

[malec]

^^ It can be built, they've been working on this for three years you know, they wouldn't announce it if it was actually physically impossible. Will it be built is a different story. :)

[zagreb]

just talked to some of my friends in dubai, and they told me cityscape is doing well with sales, so basically theres still high demand in dubai, not to mention rental demand is high aswell. Thats a very good indicator these buildings will be done. People can speculate all they want, but dubai's numbers prove them wrong time after time.

Im sure the worlds economys, and stock markets will recover one day, and the worlds projects will carry on.

[vanhenrik]

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8610/nakheeltower2xn0.jpg

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6643/nakheeltower3op0.jpg

[bobglen]

It's like a flat woman getting FFF sized implants to impress.
:D

[peanut gallery]

Can't say I'm a fan of the design, but I hope it gets built nonetheless. Just for the sheer spectacle of it.

[CGII]

Forget the design, the thing is so tall it looks preposterous in its context.



Is this some kinda joke? I can't even take it seriously. I highly doubt it will get built, especially given the delicate situation (read: panic) in the economic climate. Hell, I doubt it CAN be built, I honestly don't think that humans can at this point. It kinda reminds me of that X-Seed project, but not quite as sci-fi.

I think its context is everything this tower has going for it. Dubai hardly has a coherent skyline in the sense that long developed cities like NY or Chicago do, so I think this kind of shocker in the skyline is exactly what it needs.

Not to say it isn't horrifically ugly, especially for such a megalithic structure.

[Nowhereman1280]

Yeah, this thing is pretty nast.

You know what I want to see, a 3500' box. Where you just have a sheer verticle edge for 3500' and then just a flat roof. All glass, no detail except flat glass the whole way up... I'm serious too...

[Fabb]

Is this some kinda joke? I can't even take it seriously.


My exact same reaction when BD was first mentioned on this forum.

Regarding the economic context, this project will take so many years to complete that the current situation is irrelevant.

[L.u.v.]

Hell must have frozen over or something, I never thought I'd see skyscraper nuts complain about height. :sleep:

Screw proportion, this isn't being built in bloody Chicago or NYC, it's in the dessert next to almost any other skyline (for now anyway), so let's argue about something else eh?

I thought the design was kind of "okay" at first but I'm really liking it as I see more renders. It makes more sense the more I look at it, and the top is rather interesting. The building in general seems more big and powerful in contrast to the current super-tall under construction in Dubai that looks like it's struggling to reach it's height with it's pencil-thin, barely-inhabitable upper portions.

I'm sure this tower's height will reign in this region for some time but I don't doubt other super tall buildings will eventually be built around it (one has been proposed already) that will balance things out over time.

[NorthJersey]

I like the height and ambition but I dont believe that it will be built. Oil is down $70 from its high. Dubai is also a highly leveraged country compared to other petrol states. With credit markets dead, how will they get funding? Also is there demand for this? Rich foreigners looking to dodge taxes are not that prevalent anymore. Just my opinions. I like it though.

[Senju]

I hope they set it up so the bottom part of the 2 spaceNeedles on top of each other will have a open space like a small park. But then again, it is soooo high up there that maybe it will too windy to support outside roaming. I do hope so but it would be soo cool have an outside view from that height.:)
-SENJU

[TXAlex]

So basically with the absurd diameter about 80% will never see any natural light?

Brilliant!

[Bergenser]

I like the design, go for it Dubai! :tup:

[malec]

So basically with the absurd diameter about 80% will never see any natural light?

Brilliant!

Well, it's hollow on the inside

[giallo]

I normally hate these sort of Jetsonesque designs, but for some reason I like this building.

[malec]

Posted by chefdude on SSC

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8518/dsc0110lm2.jpg




Also

Engineers appointed for world's tallest tower


on Wednesday, 15 October 2008

TALLEST TOWER: WSP Group has been appointed structural engineers for Nakheel's ambitious project.Consultancy firm WSP Group has been appointed structural engineer for Nakheel’s project to build the world’s tallest tower in Dubai, the company announced on Wednesday.

UK-based WSP said it was already working on plans for the more than one-kilometre high structure, which Nakheel unveiled last week as part of the multi-billion dollar Nakheel Harbour and Tower development.


www.arabianbusiness.com/534380-engineers-appointed-for-worlds-tallest-tower?ln=en

[Ktulured55]

part of it is alredy 'under construction' they are working whit the philes right now !
so we can posebly se this bulding starts rising in the end of 2009

I mean in the ssp forum, when will it get moved from 'supertall proposals' TO 'supertall construction' :rolleyes:

When they actually start to dig (starting foundation work) ? :shrug:

[vanhenrik]

Posted by chefdude on SSC

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8518/dsc0110lm2.jpg




Also

Engineers appointed for world's tallest tower


on Wednesday, 15 October 2008

TALLEST TOWER: WSP Group has been appointed structural engineers for Nakheel's ambitious project.Consultancy firm WSP Group has been appointed structural engineer for Nakheel’s project to build the world’s tallest tower in Dubai, the company announced on Wednesday.

UK-based WSP said it was already working on plans for the more than one-kilometre high structure, which Nakheel unveiled last week as part of the multi-billion dollar Nakheel Harbour and Tower development.


www.arabianbusiness.com/534380-engineers-appointed-for-worlds-tallest-tower?ln=en

meny meny meny thanks !

[Ktulured55]

I like the height and ambition but I dont believe that it will be built. Oil is down $70 from its high. Dubai is also a highly leveraged country compared to other petrol states. With credit markets dead, how will they get funding? Also is there demand for this? Rich foreigners looking to dodge taxes are not that prevalent anymore. Just my opinions. I like it though.

'Dubai' is not building the building, 'Nakheel' is building it.

Cities don't build buildings, developers (businesses) builds buildings. :rolleyes:

Ask The Donald if Cities give him grants to build his buildings...

[malec]

It'll be moved only when piling starts which will be in about a year I recon. :)

'Dubai' is not building the building, 'Nakheel' is building it.
Cities don't build buildings, developers (businesses) builds buildings. :rolleyes:
Ask The Donald if Cities give him grants to build his buildings...

This isn't true here because Nakheel are government owned. So the money that should be going into building schools, building infrastructure (including power, sewage, etc), improving education, building hospitals, building affordable housing for the thousands and thousands of poor (and middle class now) who are being priced out of Dubai...... is going to building this project and jumeirah gardens instead.

You know with some of this money instead of building this tower they could build a few of those km high solar towers and provide power for the entire uae.

[vanhenrik]

It'll be moved only when piling starts which will be in about a year I recon. :)



This isn't true here because Nakheel are government owned. So the money that should be going into building schools, building infrastructure (including power, sewage, etc), improving education, building hospitals, building affordable housing for the thousands and thousands of poor (and middle class now) who are being priced out of Dubai...... is going to building this project and jumeirah gardens instead.

You know with some of this money instead of building this tower they could build a few of those km high solar towers and provide power for the entire uae.



It'll be moved only when piling starts which will be in about a year I recon. :) ok i that that was wats going on right now !
if its not wat then is going on right now ?

[vanhenrik]

19/Oct/2008

Nakheel Harbour Tower ( aka Al Burj/Tall Tower)



http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7686/imresolt141br2.jpg

thanks imre from your frend henrik

[Flo Flo]

Is it really the beginning of the construction of the tower????

[NYC4Life]

They are currently preparing the site for what will be the digging on the foundation AKA "Site Prep."

[vanhenrik]

Is it really the beginning of the construction of the tower????

yes it sems that the philing has started then they going to do a scent wall end after thet diging out all the sand end dirt to the level that the philes are end after that the real cunstruktion starts !


sorry for bad spelling !

[Indescribable]

Is this really going to be built?

[L.u.v.]

Is this really going to be built?
No, this tower is a November Fools joke.

[vanhenrik]

the powerlines must go !

[malec]

Nakheel invites contractors to submit plans for Tall Tower in Dubai

Published: 31 October 2008 20:44 GMT Author: Colin Foreman More by this Author Last Updated: 31 October 2008 20:44

Contractors have until 20 November to bid for 1-kilometre-high skyscraper.
Selected companies have been invited to submit proposals by 20 November for a tower at least 1 kilometre high at the AED140bn ($38bn) Nakheel Harbour & Tower development in Dubai.

The companies are the local/Australian Al-Habtoor Leighton, the local/UK Al-Naboodah Laing O'Rourke, South Africa's Murray & Roberts Construction (Middle East), South Korea's Samsung Corporation, Japan's Taisei Corporation, and France's Vinci Construction Grand Projets.

The AED30bn tower will be developed over a period of 10 years. The client plans to shortlist two groups by the end of the year and select one group to provide pre-construction services by early 2009. The pre-construction period is expected to last for at least one year.

Enabling works on the development are being executed by France's Soletanche Bachy. The package is scheduled for completion in October 2010, and work on the tower's superstructure is expected to follow shortly after.

In June, sources close to the project said the tower had been designed to be 1.4km tall. However, Nakheel has only confirmed that it will be more than 1km high. Once finished, it will be taller than the Burj Dubai, which is expected to be about 820 metres high when completed in 2009.

The Tall Tower was originally called the Pinnacle and was to be located on the Palm Jumeirah, before becoming part of the Dubai Waterfront scheme, when it was renamed Al-Burj. The consultancy team for the tower includes UK-based WSP, US-based Leslie E Robertson Associates and Australia's Woods Bagot.

The development will be built alongside the proposed Arabian Canal and next to Ibn Battuta Mall and Jumeirah islands. It will cover an area of 2.7km and will be home to more than 55,000 people (MEED 8:10:08).

"The cost of construction of the tower, canal and other buildings will be AED140bn," Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem, chairman of Dubai World and Nakheel told those attending the formal launch of the project on 5 October.

The development will include 250,000 square metres of hotels and hospitality space, and 100,000 sq m of retail space.

Other Nakheel projects have been affected by the global credit crisis. Work on its multi-billion dollar Palm Deira project has been scaled back, and it is now unclear what its development strategy across its $100bn-plus portfolio will be in the coming months.

It is likely that Nakheel, along with other developers in Dubai, will prioritise certain projects. The move to select a contractor for the Tall Tower suggests the scheme is a priority for Nakheel and the Dubai government.

In addition, the costs incurred during the preconstruction period will not be such a large financial burden as actual construction work such as dredging.

By 2011, when work on the tower's superstructure is due to start, the economic crisis may have passed, allowing Nakheel to proceed with work in a more benign financial climate.

[jaga185]

I love it!

[malec]

Norman Disney & Young to work on Nakheel Harbour & Tower


http://www.ameinfo.com/images/news/0/66480-NDY_Nakheel.jpg


Leading engineering firm Norman Disney & Young (NDY) is expanding its global influence with the launch of its Dubai office and the announcement that it will work on the landmark Nakheel Harbour & Tower project in Dubai.


NDY will provide mechanical, electrical, fire and hydraulic services for the kilometre-high Tower, plans for which were unveiled this month. The Nakheel Tower will have more than 200 floors, 150 lifts and enough facilities that residents need never leave the building. It will also lead the way in sustainable design.

The Nakheel Tower is NDY's biggest project to date, and the firm will provide services to an approximate 30-40% of the overall project value, including hydraulics, air conditioning, fire protection and evacuation systems.

In order to meet the task ahead, NDY has opened an office in Dubai. With ten staff already in place, it plans to double this number by the end of 2008, and continue recruiting into next year.

The sheer scale of the project will create a range of different and new challenges that NDY will have to mitigate, including:

- Temperature - the Tower experiences five different climactic conditions and, as a result, there are design considerations at each level. One such consideration is known as a 'reverse stack effect'. This will cause high pressure differences between inside the building and outside which will require careful management to prevent such problems as doors being very difficult to open, lift doors jamming and high air loss from air conditioned spaces.

- All water systems will require pumping in stages because pressure requirement exceeds the pressure rating of equipment and pipework. In the case of chilled water, the number of stages which can be used is limited by the temperature rise as the water passes though the heat exchangers between each pressure stage.

- Electrical systems - the project has the power requirements equivalent to those of a small city, necessitating substations throughout the Tower. Back up power supplies will also be crucial because in the case of fire the Tower's 156 lifts will be essential for evacuation.

- Environmental considerations - these will include an on-site black water treatment plant, providing the equivalent of 10 Olympic-sized swimming pools of recycled water per day. This water will be used for irrigation within the overall development.

Dennis O'Brien, NDY director, said:

'The Nakheel Tower represents one of the most groundbreaking construction and infrastructure projects in the world to date, and we relish the opportunity to be involved. Every project raises fresh challenges but none more so than this one. NDY is committed to finding the most effective solution for each challenge.'



'As a business, this project also presents the opportunity for NDY to grow into the Middle East, with the launch of our new office in this expanding market strengthening the firm's international position,' O'Brien added.


http://www.ameinfo.com/173779.html

[Jacques]

I must say I am flabbergast and in awe of this proposal, it defies imagination in size, It looks like the lord of the ring comes to fruition in this concept for similarity