[twoNeurons]

I didn't know anything about this, but I just received $100 in the mail for my wife and I with information on how we can save money on power consumption, etc.

Thoughts... is this a political move as an election draws near?

It starts off with "this year's Provincial budget is making it easier for British Columbians to choose a lower carbon lifestyle."

It also directs you to "www.smartchoicesbc.ca (http://www.smartchoicesbc.ca)"

[osirisboy]

what? wheres my 100 bucks?

[Yume-sama]

Yeah, let me go buy that Prius with that $100! Or how about some solar panels...!

What could you buy with $100? People will buy beer, that is about it. Political ploy as usual :P

[vanlaw]

Highly political move, and comes one week before the carbon tax comes in - fuel, home heating, electricity etc all set to go up next week.

[vanlaw]

.....is it $100 per person or per household?

[northwest2k]

I'm gonna fill up my cars gas tank

[Smooth]

.....is it $100 per person or per household?

Per person.

[WarrenC12]

Yes you can apply for your kids as well, they won't get one by default (its based on tax filing).

tintinium I can't believe you hadn't heard of this.. living in a cave? :D

[twoNeurons]

I can confirm that. My wife and I both received a cheque... I would assume it's per adult, but I'm not sure.

We talked about it... and we're going to look for a used $200 Prius.... which is about how much they'll be worth when the battery dies and needs replacing.

[SpongeG]

ooh i hope i get mine - i must look when i get home

[Jared]

http://lifehackery.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/beer.jpg

[ravman]

I will be donating mine to the NDP!

[quobobo]

I will be donating mine to the NDP!

For every $100 you donate to the NDP, I pledge to donate $100 to the BC Liberals and $100 to the federal Conservatives. Either that or I'll light cigars with two $100 bills in front of a homeless shelter or union shop (take your choice).

You're really only harming yourself!

[Yume-sama]

Donating money to politicians in Canada is stupid.

Donate to me instead. :)

[baggab]

I like it. I don't drive and I bike, bus or walk everywhere. I'll put it in the bank and save it.

[Cypherus]

If you do donate that $100 to the NDP, it's not federally tax deductible as opposed to donating to the federal Conservative party.

Anyways, think of the $100 dividend as money repaid back to you after you've been gouged to death by ICBC, Air Care, CRA, and all the oil companies. Hmmm...

[ravman]

actually donating to the NDP IS TAX DEDUCTIBLE...

[deasine]

Donating money to politicians in Canada is stupid.

Donate to me instead. :)

Nah... why not to the Deasine Foundation.

[worldwide]

Highly political move, and comes one week before the carbon tax comes in - fuel, home heating, electricity etc all set to go up next week.

why would electricity go up? thermal electrical production is a very small fraction of BC's energy production. most of it comes from hydroelectricity

[WarrenC12]

why would electricity go up? thermal electrical production is a very small fraction of BC's energy production. most of it comes from hydroelectricity

BC Hydro is raising rates around 11% I heard, plus they will be implementing smart metering and possibly different rate levels based on usage.

Its not part of the carbon tax, but it is an increase.

Hard to complain since we have the 2nd lowest electricity rates in North America, but its coming.

[ravman]

BC Hydro is raising rates around 11% I heard, plus they will be implementing smart metering and possibly different rate levels based on usage.

Its not part of the carbon tax, but it is an increase.

Hard to complain since we have the 2nd lowest electricity rates in North America, but its coming.

yeah and the reason its going up is because of the privitization by Gordo.....


read the many posting that i have done previously with all the IPP....

[SpongeG]

can't people get hydro from elsewhere now though?

or is that gas?

[paradigm4]

May I suggest you put it towards my campaign for a seat on Surrey City Council?

Here's a few of my plans and ideas that could be implemented if I am elected:


The construction of light rail across Surrey and the Valley

Modern, comfortable, safe, and accessible bus shelters across Surrey

A vast cycling network featuring physically separated routes from car and truck traffic

The preservation of Campbell Heights as a green space for the region

Vibrant, walkable Town Centres filled with unique businesses, community services, and compact housing options for those seeking more urban and sustainable lifestyles

The implementation of a Green Building Strategy in a city that welcomes over 1,000 new people every month!


Putting your Climate Action Dividend towards my campaign will help completely revolutionize the South of Fraser area, and put Metro Vancouver back on the world stage as a leader in green transportation, compact living, and the preservation of natural areas.

You can donate it here (http://www.paulin08.com/donate/), securely over Paypal.

[jlousa]

Take a look over at the new COV green building plans and try to get them implemented in Surrey should you get the opportunity. If Vancouver and Surrey had the same code then the rest of the region would fall into line as well. Good luck.

[mr.x]

May I suggest you put it towards my campaign for a seat on Surrey City Council?

Here's a few of my plans and ideas that could be implemented if I am elected:


The construction of light rail across Surrey and the Valley

Modern, comfortable, safe, and accessible bus shelters across Surrey

A vast cycling network featuring physically separated routes from car and truck traffic

The preservation of Campbell Heights as a green space for the region

Vibrant, walkable Town Centres filled with unique businesses, community services, and compact housing options for those seeking more urban and sustainable lifestyles

The implementation of a Green Building Strategy in a city that welcomes over 1,000 new people every month!


Putting your Climate Action Dividend towards my campaign will help completely revolutionize the South of Fraser area, and put Metro Vancouver back on the world stage as a leader in green transportation, compact living, and the preservation of natural areas.

You can donate it here (http://www.paulin08.com/donate/), securely over Paypal.

hilldog hilldawg hildawg hildog hilldogg hillary clinton

[Cypherus]

actually donating to the NDP IS TAX DEDUCTIBLE...

Only federal party donations are tax deductible (NDP), not the NDP Provincial party as was said.

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tax/individuals/topics/income-tax/return/completing/deductions/lines409-485/409-410-e.html

[ravman]

for contributions of more than $100 but not more than $550, complete Column 2 below;
for contributions of more than $550 but not more than $1,150, complete Column 3 below; or
Determine the amount to enter on line 62 of Form BC428 as follows:
for contributions of more than $1,150, enter $500 on line 62.
Line 62 – British Columbia political contribution tax credit

www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pbg/tf/5010-d/5010-d-07e.pdf

its right there.... looks like someone does not fill their Provincial worksheet...

and btw


"Thanks to provincial tax credits, you can afford a generous gift. You pay only a small portion of your total donation -- take a look:

* a $50 contribution will cost you just $12.50, because you get $37.50 back in tax credits
* a $100 contribution will cost you just $25
* a $250 contribution costs just $100
* $500 actually costs you just $225" - BCNDP


and btw the NDP fed and NDP prov are the same parties... a membership to one gets you both... unlike the Liberals...

[paradigm4]

Take a look over at the new COV green building plans and try to get them implemented in Surrey should you get the opportunity. If Vancouver and Surrey had the same code then the rest of the region would fall into line as well. Good luck.

Actually a very good idea. I will definitely look at this and contact some people!

[crazyjoeda]

Actually a very good idea. I will definitely look at this and contact some people!

If its a good idea then Surrey wont have anything to do with it.

[androo3]

May I suggest you put it towards my campaign for a seat on Surrey City Council?

Here's a few of my plans and ideas that could be implemented if I am elected:


The construction of light rail across Surrey and the Valley

Modern, comfortable, safe, and accessible bus shelters across Surrey

A vast cycling network featuring physically separated routes from car and truck traffic

The preservation of Campbell Heights as a green space for the region

Vibrant, walkable Town Centres filled with unique businesses, community services, and compact housing options for those seeking more urban and sustainable lifestyles

The implementation of a Green Building Strategy in a city that welcomes over 1,000 new people every month!


Putting your Climate Action Dividend towards my campaign will help completely revolutionize the South of Fraser area, and put Metro Vancouver back on the world stage as a leader in green transportation, compact living, and the preservation of natural areas.

You can donate it here (http://www.paulin08.com/donate/), securely over Paypal.

If you want support from this forum say you will build the tallest building in Canada and you will get quite a few donations. :haha: On the other hand I don't think this is the place to be asking for it. :hell: I will be spending mine on gas for my car to my weekend in Penticton, however, to save gas I will double my trip as a business trip for work:notacrook:

[cornholio]

May I suggest you put it towards my campaign for a seat on Surrey City Council?

Here's a few of my plans and ideas that could be implemented if I am elected:


The construction of light rail across Surrey and the Valley

Modern, comfortable, safe, and accessible bus shelters across Surrey

A vast cycling network featuring physically separated routes from car and truck traffic

The preservation of Campbell Heights as a green space for the region

Vibrant, walkable Town Centres filled with unique businesses, community services, and compact housing options for those seeking more urban and sustainable lifestyles

The implementation of a Green Building Strategy in a city that welcomes over 1,000 new people every month!


Putting your Climate Action Dividend towards my campaign will help completely revolutionize the South of Fraser area, and put Metro Vancouver back on the world stage as a leader in green transportation, compact living, and the preservation of natural areas.

You can donate it here (http://www.paulin08.com/donate/), securely over Paypal.

Great idea to make some money...if only i was a teen again...$100...2000 people....Ferrari...alllllright.
Maybe you have higher morals then me though;)

[vanman]

I got my cheque on Monday and ironically the first thing I did with it is fill up my gas tank.

[Cypherus]

for contributions of more than $100 but not more than $550, complete Column 2 below;
for contributions of more than $550 but not more than $1,150, complete Column 3 below; or
Determine the amount to enter on line 62 of Form BC428 as follows:
for contributions of more than $1,150, enter $500 on line 62.
Line 62 – British Columbia political contribution tax credit

www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pbg/tf/5010-d/5010-d-07e.pdf

its right there.... looks like someone does not fill their Provincial worksheet...

Thanks. But as it shows, FEDERAL POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS are still only tax deductible on Schedule 1 of your federal tax payable worksheet. If you were to make a provincial contribution, it's still not tax deductible off your federal tax.

[entheosfog]

So I've been living here since last summer but filed my taxes using my parent's Alberta address...I guess I should be making a call to the government to make sure I can get my $100 seeing as I haven't seen any sign of it in the mail yet... My car needs some gas anyway ;)

[deasine]

The NDP also suggests donating to them.

Please, why in the world would u be donating to political groups. There are victims around the world that deserve the money way more than the NDP or the Libs. China had an earthquake a few months ago, many Africans are still suffering HIV-Aids and starvation, I believe there was a story a few days ago in the Phillipines, with a couple hundread dead, come on...

[Cypherus]

I'd flush my dividend down the toilet before I give it to a Political party. Either way, it would achieve the same result.

[worldwide]

a couple six packs, some weed, a few inner tubes for my bike, maybe a new set of skateboard wheels. i duno. i'll probably just waste it like i usually do.

[valleyflyfisher]

Ravman, instead of a direct donation to the NDP, just hop on one of those Fast Cats to Departure Bay and...oh wait a minute, never mind. Anyway, just hop on one of the newly built, under budget, on time super C class ferries and head to Nanaimo for a game or two of bingo.
Not only would you be enjoying a scenic ride across the beautiful Straight of Georgia, on a great NEW and efficiently constructed ferry, but you would also be supporting charities...ahhh, wait a minute, I mean the NDP, or at least guys like NDP power players like Dave Stupich might get a new pool, or deck, but you might just win a bit for yourself and you could actually donate even more money, either way, the NDP wins and the charities the money was supposed to go to ....well, who cares?
Or take your car over for the day and enjoy a ride on the Inland Highway, it affords you plenty of time to take in the sights as you have to stop at all the lights that were put in place (on a freeway) instead of the off/on ramps that were originally planned but not built due to the ridiculous cost over runs on the project due to the extra hundreds of MILLIONS in added cost that went to lining the pockets of the NDP's biggest contributors.

Gotta love the socially conscience NDP at work! Oh and my $100 will buy me a new 5wt. floating fly line for my Sage XP.

[zivan56]

^^ New and efficient ferries? Try ancient design and fuel guzzlers.
Better a highway in some parts than no highway at all.
I would like to point to the following projects that have been massively cut in terms of scale and capacity in order to be "on time and on budget":
Disney....err...Canada Line
Trade and Convention Centre
Sea to sky highway
Olympic venues

Also, I would like to point to the following cases of corruption:
Sale of: BC Gas, BCRail

I can't think of anything more at the moment, but there are tons of people who lost their jobs and funding has been cut to hundreds of important ministries (children, etc).
So I'd take fast ferries and and a half-assed highway anytime compared to the above ;)
Not that I would donate to any of those parties...

[valleyflyfisher]

Fuel guzzlers? I think you should do a little research there bud, they are in fact quite fuel efficient for a tub of their size and I won't even bring up just how thirsty the fast cats were, or their inability to keep any kind of schedule due to their constant mechanical issues. Combine their terribly small capacities, with their fuel guzzling engines and I think we would be paying double for a crossing fare than we do today, so ya, they might be of an old design but damn it...they WORK!

So Zivan, a highway, regardless of added cost due blundering mismanagement is better than no highway? Well there you go...you sure you weren't involved in any way with that foolish waste of OUR money. The highway could have been built to specs had the NDP not added 100's of millions to the price tag by making sure only their union friends got the contracts. And in return they got mucho payola put back into NDP coffers..sweet deal if you can get away with it, most of us would find ourselves sharing a dry bun with beans and black coffee with Conrad Black if we tried that.

As far as layoffs go...please take a closer look and you will see that the BCGEU and the NDP came up with one of the most laughable of all concepts when they negotiated public service workers deals in the 90's. Instead of getting hefty wage increases the BCGEU settled for basically what the private sector was getting but..BUT.... thousands of workers were added to the already bloated public sector and yes, they all were card carrying, due paying BCGEU members...what a concept! So if there have been lay offs in the public sector I can only say it's about bloody time!

I spent some time in the forest ministry in the late nineties and there were no less than 11, out of 25 employees in one branch who basically had nothing to do, they could not be laid off because of clauses written into their collective agreement with the BC Gov that they would have full time employment until the next contract. One fellow spent his days setting up and running his own commercial website, all the while making and taking phone calls throughout the day setting up clients appointments, travel plans etc. Sweet deal, $75,000 per year plus awesome benefits to set up your own personal business all on the backs of the BC tax payers...nice.

[ravman]

valleyflyfisher: Campbell/ his puppet David hahn PROMISED that ferries will be ON TIME AND ON BUDGET... that was a PROMISE and i know everyone here can agree to that.... so now go to north Van and look at the MV Island Sky. It is NOT on time and Above budget.

zivan56: i agree with you... the government has cut corners everywhere and given contracts to its supporter, so i dont see why valleyflyfisher is complaining. We see Canada Line on a 40ish year contract with a supporter of Campbell and it is going to be a vacuum in the pocket of Translink...

now we have campbell pretending he is all green while only committing to fund 5 billion out of the 14 billion dollar transportation plan for 2020. We want people to get out their cars and drive less ( hence the point with the gas tax) while not giving citizens with a real alternative. i could take the bus that comes every hour and is usually full or i can drive... hmm tough decision eh?

on gateway: lets build more highways and so people can drive everywhere. BC spends 10 times the amount on Highways et al then on public transportation... very very green...

lets allow two coal-fired power plants to open for electricity generation, while placing a gas tax.... when we can be expanding our current infrastructures like in Revelstoke... or build thousand of IPP that will sell our rivers to the Americans... did i mention Arnold was involved in the Electricity crises... before he got elected... ( look at the story of enron.... and you can see how deregulation of electricity screwed their state up)


valleyflyfisher: you would rather have George Bush or even Bin Laden be the premier than have the NDP! Admit it! and its no wonder he is the worst rated president and the latter is worlds most wanted fugitive....

[valleyflyfisher]

Rav... It was only a couple of years ago that the NDP and their union brothers were crying and whining on every newscast for months on end about the new ferries being built overseas when they could and should, be built right here in BC, North Van to be exact. And now the proof is right there in your post re: Island Sky ...over budget and way behind schedule. Now it doesn't take much of a economist to extrapolate that same scenario, times 3, for the new ferries just delivered, even a good socialist like you Rav must be able to put two and two together and come up with yet another fast cat fiasco if the Libs had taken the NDP's advice and had them built here.

It amazes me that the same group of folks can make the same mistake over and over again and still want to try it again...DOAH! And as is always the case with the inept NDP, the next generation will be paying for all their pipe dreams and terrible mismanagement of the province. Nice legacy for our children....ah, by the way, here's billions of dept for you to address.

And as far as IPP's go. will you please show me some PROOF, something where it says any company will own the river, all I have read have set lease term limits and then the ownership of the whole operation reverts back to the province. So in reality, private money builds and maintains the IPP for 20 - 30 years and then the province gets it, lock, stock and barrel. Ya, I know as far as you and your communist brothers are concerned, only a government run program, regardless of how inefficient, will succeed and all private enterprise must be stifled. Can free thought be far behind? Hell, grab the torch's comrades and lets get down to the library and burn some of those nasty books.

[Cypherus]

^Good post.

[David]

I bought a bike :)

[Hong Kongese]

Yes you can apply for your kids as well, they won't get one by default (its based on tax filing).


No, you don't need to apply for your kids, their cheques will be written in your name if they are under 18.

[Smooth]

Here's a timely article from today's business section of the Vancouver Sun.

California utility looks to B.C. for green power
PG&E predicts province will have a huge electricity surplus

Scott Simpson
Vancouver Sun

Thursday, June 26, 2008

B.C.'s plans to develop new renewable energy sources including wind, small hydro and biomass power will leave the province with a huge exportable surplus of electricity by 2016, according to a report released Wednesday by Pacific Gas and Electric.

CREDIT: Ian Lindsay, Vancouver Sun

B.C.'s plans to develop new renewable energy sources including wind, small hydro and biomass power will leave the province with a huge exportable surplus of electricity by 2016, according to a report released Wednesday by Pacific Gas and Electric.

British Columbia's "vast" green energy potential has convinced a California utility to advance a project taking B.C. electricity south.

B.C.'s plans to develop new renewable energy sources including wind, small hydro and biomass power will leave the province with a huge exportable surplus of electricity by 2016, according to a report released Wednesday by Pacific Gas and Electric.

PG&E serves 15 million customers in north and central California, and last year was granted authority by the California utility regulator to spend $14 million on a study of B.C.'s green power potential.

It identifies as much as 30,000 gigawatt hours -- equivalent to half of B.C.'s present generation -- that could be ready by 2016.

The report is likely to provoke critics who have called on B.C. to slow down development of green resources here on the premise that California would get the benefit of power exports while this province suffers the environmental degradation associated with large-scale renewables development.

However, the PG&E report scuttles the argument that independent power producers could directly export electricity to the U.S., leaving only marginal benefits for B.C.

The California utility said it rejects the idea of buying power directly from independents, saying it wants to deal only with BC Hydro and its power trading subsidiary Powerex.

PG&E also rejects a proposal by Vancouver's Sea Breeze Power to install a new transmission cable along the Pacific coastal seabed and bring B.C. green power south without connecting to BC Hydro-BC Transmission Corporation power lines.

PG&E says the private company's project is too expensive.

"Contracting directly with an entity such as BC Hydro and/or Powerex through a power purchase agreement to deliver an all-in product at the U.S./Canadian border is the most viable option to obtain renewable generation," said a report summary.

Instead, PG&E wants to proceed with negotiations to build a $4-billion ground-level transmission line upgrade from the Selkirk substation in southeastern B.C., and down through the U.S. to northern California.

However, PG&E expresses uncertainty about qualifying small-scale run of river hydro power from B.C. as a green energy source.

The company says current regulations in California do not recognize run of river as renewable power because of its potential for "adverse" environmental impacts.

Additionally, PG&E says B.C. will have to demonstrate to California regulators that its run of river projects qualify as renewable energy -- something that the provincial government is already taking for granted in its own description of green power.

B.C. energy sector commentator David Austin said he is not convinced that the transmission infrastructure to support the project will proceed.

As well, Austin said Washington state and Oregon may yet prove to be cheaper sources of green power than B.C.

"New transmission has to be built in the U.S. to provide firm access to the northern California market and it has to be built at a price that allows electricity from B.C. to be cost-competitive in the California market," Austin said in an e-mail.

"There are sources of renewable electricity in Washington and Oregon that PG&E can also possibly purchase and they are closer to California than those in B.C."

The report identifies a "strong complementary relationship" between B.C. and California, which have peak power needs at alternate times of the year: B.C. in winter and California in summer.

The next step of the project is to pursue discussions with Powerex and BCTC, the PG&E report said, and monitor the progress of B.C.'s independent power producers in developing proposed renewable energy projects.

© The Vancouver Sun 2008

[worldwide]

I bought a bike :)

$100.... sounds like a shitty bike :)

[Hong Kongese]

I bought a bike :)

Must be a cheap bike! Just kidding!:)

[worldwide]

wow. and within a minute of each other too...

[ravman]

If Gordo is re-elected( god forbid), we all know that BC hydro will be privitized. so that agreement is going to be nothing becuase there will be no crown corporation... on the top it seems like a win win situation... a private company builds and then after a few years we own it.... yeah right... and buddy.... before you start to comment... go read the NAFTA treaty... once we deregulate it... we loose it forever...

Here is an article from Mr Mair

"Power to the USA!

Let me just conclude on one point that has not been emphasized and must be.

Once our power is no longer created and sold by a vertically integrated public power company, BC Hydro, we become subject to the "proportionality" clause of NAFTA, which, simply put, says that if we wish to reduce our power exports to the United States, we must reduce our own use by the same amount. If we find in B.C. that because of low water or any number or reasons we need to reduce exports and use the power for our own needs, we cannot do it.

But here's the worst part. Once we start damming, weiring or tunneling our rivers, and providing private power to the United States, we change who profits.

We take the money that BC Hydro now earns and puts into the provincial treasury for hospitals, schools and the like and we give it instead to shareholders in companies like Ledcor and Westinghouse.

That's right, folks, we take our environment, our power, and our money and send it to shareholders (mostly American) in large international corporations! But it gets even worse than that. For once we start, how do we stop? We will have American governments declining to risk their own environments for power. Why should they when B.C. is delighted to bugger up its rivers for them?

Hydro down the drain?

Forgive me for spoiling your digestion with this final thought to chew on. BC Hydro, the jewel of our Crown corporations, is living, barely, under a death sentence that is being executed in three stages.

Stage one was selling the bureaucracy to Accenture, the bastard child of Arthur Anderson Consulting of the Enron scandal.

Stage two was stripping BC Hydro of its transmission lines and placing them in a different Crown crporation, British Columbia Transmission Corporation (BCTC), the very same outfit caught spying on the citizens of Tsawwassen.

Stage three sees Hydro left with its dams and Burrard Thermal and a $7 billion debt they will no longer have the money to service.

If Campbell wins the next election, BCTC will be privatized, BC Hydro will default on its bonds and the premier known so well for crocodile tear TV presentations will sadly tell us that since the province had guaranteed Hydro's bonds and must pay them, well golly gee whiz, while we sure didn't want to do it, we must sell BC Hydro's assets to the highest acceptable bidder.

Looking for an election issue?

The Independent Power Projects (IPPS) called "run of the river," are a ghastly mistake however you look at them. They will destroy the province's streams, rivers and the ecology of their valleys. The destruction will be permanent. The private power companies will be rich beyond description. We will lose the revenue from Hydro and Hydro along with it, leaving us with but one more giveaway left -- sell the water to the U.S. as well. After all, if the fish are all gone, why not?

All this because Gordon Campbell believes that all public enterprise is evil and that all private enterprise right. He clearly believes that having the best power policy in North America, the envy of all, must be sacrificed to the barren ideology of Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, Milton Friedman, the Fraser Institute and George W. Bush.

And the polls tell us he will do this with our blessing.

Whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad -- or terminally naïve."- Rafe Mair, former Socred MLA


so do you still want Bush for premier... because i sure dont!

[Hong Kongese]

I will vote for whoever would kill this god damn tax!:hell:

[Hong Kongese]

I used my $100 to buy just a lock for my not so cheap bike!:D

I think I am a little bit drunk tonight!

[valleyflyfisher]

Bill Tielman and Rafe Mair.....Rav, ones a NDP hack, nothing more, the other is pretty much certifiably gonzo, there is a reason he is basically unemployable these days. Senility sneaks up on some folks fairly quickly and unfortunately in this case his family and friends have failed to inform him.

Hmmmm...perhaps it's time to attach your intellectual wagon to some new horses, comrade.

[ravman]

Rafe Mair has NEVER voted for the NDP.. keep that in mind....

[Smooth]

rav,

An opinion piece based on speculation and fear mongering does not show proof of anything. I'll reiterate valleyflyfisher's request for some concrete facts to back up your arguments.

[ravman]

i have said... read Liquid Gold... it is a book written by an ACADEMIC professor

go google Marvin Shaffer, another professor...

these people have Ph.D.... my question... what do you have... an associates degree?

[deasine]

zivan56: i agree with you... the government has cut corners everywhere and given contracts to its supporter, so i dont see why valleyflyfisher is complaining. We see Canada Line on a 40ish year contract with a supporter of Campbell and it is going to be a vacuum in the pocket of Translink...

Not necessarily cut corners. The Canada Line will serve its purpose for at least the next thirty years: yes we lost our long platforms, but it's not necessary. Richmond is not slated to see an increase of population (by a big number), nor is White Rock and Tsawassen (I can never spell that right... ><").


now we have campbell pretending he is all green while only committing to fund 5 billion out of the 14 billion dollar transportation plan for 2020. We want people to get out their cars and drive less ( hence the point with the gas tax) while not giving citizens with a real alternative. i could take the bus that comes every hour and is usually full or i can drive... hmm tough decision eh?

on gateway: lets build more highways and so people can drive everywhere. BC spends 10 times the amount on Highways et al then on public transportation... very very green...

I can't see how the 14 billion dollar transportation plan is bad. We finally see improvements to public transportation. With regards to the Gateway Plan, our roads are fit for the 1990s, and sure they need some sort of expansion. Now whether or not everything about the Gateway Program is necessary, that's debatable. But there are many things we need to change in Vancouver, and our road infrastructure is one of them.

If Gordo is re-elected( god forbid)

Unfortunately, with current ipsos polls, the Liberals have been gaining, NDP loosing, and Greens wining.

It's still all early in the game of course, I mean elections are next year. We'll just sit back and see... =)

I will vote for whoever would kill this god damn tax!:hell:

Good luck. BC Liberals = Carbon Tax. BC NDP = Carbon Tax. Green = ?... maybe extreme carbon tax? =)

I used my $100 to buy just a lock for my not so cheap bike!:D

I think I am a little bit drunk tonight!

Wow you got urself an expensive lock X_X"

[Smooth]

i have said... read Liquid Gold... it is a book written by an ACADEMIC professor

go google Marvin Shaffer, another professor...

these people have Ph.D.... my question... what do you have... an associates degree?

Assuming someone knows what they're talking about because they have a Ph.D is a dangerous path to go down. I googled Marvin Shaffer and it looks like he's just another mouthpiece for the left wing Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives. A group you're obviously on the mailing list of.

Not that it should matter but I'm currently working on my B.Eng. in Civil Engineering and have spent several years working as a technologist for a consulting firm that designs and builds micro-hydro projects around BC.

I think your views don't jive with what I've seen in the industry.

Since the topic of this thread is how we're willing to spend our climate action dividend, I'd be willing to use mine to bet you that the BC Liberals don't have a secret agenda to privatize BC Hydro. We can test how much faith you have in your doctors.

[quobobo]

i have said... read Liquid Gold... it is a book written by an ACADEMIC professor

go google Marvin Shaffer, another professor...

these people have Ph.D.... my question... what do you have... an associates degree?

A degree in Poli Sci does not make one qualified to comment on economic matters, and I'm even less trustworthy of good economic analysis coming from someone who is the "national co-ordinator for the Anti-Privatization campaigns at the Canadian Union of Public Employees in Ottawa". Would you trust someone with a PhD in Poli Sci who focussed on libertarianism for their doctoral thesis and works for business or the Fraser Institute to offer 100% unbiased analysis?

Can you find me someone with 1) an advanced degree in economics and 2) no association with an extremely partisan group commenting on this?

[Dylan Leblanc]

I'll fill my gas tank.

[David]

nooo, its a good bike. i was buying one anyway, it was just a coincidence that i got $100 back 2 days after i bought it

[worldwide]

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so what did you buy? can we see some pics?

[Hong Kongese]

It's a good bike alright, but I just don't like its trainning wheels!:haha:

Sorry, I am drunk again!

[Vancity4life]

Hmmm...so they want me to spend it on "Green" stuff eh?
http://streetknowledge.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/marijuana11.jpg
Hmm $100= 1/2 ounce of grass...Thank you Mr. Campbell!

[Hillbillary]

Hmmm...so they want me to spend it on "Green" stuff eh?
http://streetknowledge.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/marijuana11.jpg
Hmm $100= 1/2 ounce of grass...Thank you Mr. Campbell!

That's "Green" thinkin' at it Finest! You get that off Gordo?