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graupner
Jul 13, 2008, 8:32 PM
This is one of the most major industrial project in Canada in years and a direct incursion in the markets of Boeing and Airbus. Bombardier now enters the big league.
This will create 3000 direct jobs in Montreal, and up to 2 000 jobs all across Canada in different suppliers.!

Lufthansa signed a pre-launch deal worth almost 2.8 G$ and Shanghai Airlines is supposed to sign a similar deal in upcoming weeks.

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5g-I1zXlWpkEpuSUX9pghRfMdlBiw

Bombardier announces new CSeries regional jet to be built in Quebec

2 hours ago

LONDON — As the world's airlines cope with record jet fuel prices, Bombardier Inc. (TSX:BBD.B) launched a new fuel-efficient CSeries regional jet Sunday, saying the "greenest aircraft in its class" will be manufactured at the company's Mirabel plant north of Montreal.

The Montreal-based aircraft maker and rail transit maker announced its long-awaited launch in London, at the prestigious Farnborough Air Show in England, which starts Monday. Almost 1,500 exhibitors from 35 countries will show off the latest in aviation technology, including new jets and advanced engines, flight simulators and surveillance aircraft.

"With the latest in system technologies and aerodynamics, the CSeries family of aircraft will revolutionize the economics and network strategies for airline operations in the 100-to 149-seat commercial market," said Pierre Beaudoin, Bombardier's president and chief executive.

The company said in a news release that German airline Lufthansa has signed a letter of interest for up to 60 aircraft, at a price of US$46.7 million each - a deal worth more than $2.8 billion if firm and optional orders are exercised. It also said that discussions with a number of airlines worldwide "are progressing well."

The long-range CSeries aircraft are slated for delivery in 2013 and would target global airlines who want to buy 100-to 149-passenger aircraft, a market now dominated by the world's two biggest commercial aviation companies, Chicago-based Boeing Co. (NYSE:BA) and Europe's Airbus Industries.

A key attraction to potential customers is the fact the jet is about 20 per cent more fuel efficient than its rivals. That could provide a significant market opening for Bombardier at a time when the industry is racking up massive losses - about US$2.3 billion forecast for this year alone - and 25 airlines have shut down in the last six months.

With record world oil prices, the costs of jet fuel has doubled in the last year and many airlines have cut jobs and reduced capacity to cope, or gone out of business entirely. Air Canada, (TSX:AC.B) Canada's largest air carrier, has cut 2,000 jobs and reduced capacity by about seven per cent to reduce expenses.

Bombardier, Canada's only aircraft manufacturer, said the CSeries aircraft wings will be designed and manufactured at its aircraft factory in Belfast, Northern Ireland. The manufacture of the aircraft's aft fuselage and cockpit will take place at its plant in Saint-Laurent, Que., while the final assembly will take place at the nearby plant in Mirabel.

Montreal and Kansas City, Mo., were the two main locations Bombardier was considering for the assembly work, which will create 2,500 jobs.

Guy C. Hachey, president and chief operating officer at Bombardier Aerospace, called the CSeries aircraft program "a compelling business proposal" for both Canada and Quebec as well as Northern Ireland and the British government.

"It involves, among other things, the development of new technology, creation of employment and further consolidation of Canada's leadership in the aerospace industry. Our partners, including governments and suppliers, will benefit from the program's success," said Hachey.

The company touted the new jet as the "the greenest single-aisle aircraft in its class."

"These game-changing aircraft emit up to 20 per cent less CO2 and up to 50 per cent less NOx, fly four times quieter, and deliver dramatic energy savings - up to 20 per cent fuel burn advantage..." company officials said.

"The CSeries aircraft will set a new benchmark in the industry."

One of the world's major jet engine makers, Pratt & Whitney, will build the geared turbofan engine that will power the CSeries. Pratt & Whitney, which has major operations in the Montreal-area, is a division of United Technologies Corp. (NYSE: UTX) a company whose divisions make everything from engines and Otis elevators to Carrier air conditioners and nuclear submarines,

Last Sunday, Bombardier machinists voted 82.6 per cent in favour of a new tentative agreement, provided the new planes are built in Quebec.

The workers agreed that up to 15 per cent of the employees would work under a six year contract with longer probation periods.

The new deal includes a 3.25 per cent salary increase per year over six years.

Analysts have said Bombardier has lined up five potential customers for more than 200 of the new jets.

A Lufthansa senior executive said the German airline is proud to be part of the deal.

"Our initial evaluations of the CSeries family of aircraft and discussions with Bombardier over the last few months have evolved and made us believe that the CSeries family of aircraft clearly meets our stringent requirements for sustainable fleet development," said Nico Buchholz, senior vice-president, corporate fleet.

"After watching the development of the geared turbofan engine since the very early stages, we are confident that this next generation engine will deliver on its targets of double digit reductions in fuel burn, environmental emissions, engine noise and operating costs."

Analyst Jacques Kavafian of Research Capital predicted last week that Shanghai Airlines, China Southern, International Lease Finance Corp. and Qatar Airways would to place orders for the new fuel-efficient jets.

Other airlines that have been mentioned as potential customers down the road are Malaysian Airlines and U.S. airlines Northwest and Delta.

Sebastien Gauthier
Jul 13, 2008, 8:46 PM
Aren't we supposed to only talk about skyscrapers on these forums Graupner? At least according to one of your posts yesterday. Ah nevermind, you changed your mind!!!

Anyways, thanks for posting that article. That's good news for Montreal.

1ajs
Jul 13, 2008, 9:19 PM
ooo this could be good for winnipeg

KrisYYC
Jul 13, 2008, 9:57 PM
Shelving the C-series for a few years worked out really well for them, the timing just wasn't right back then. Now in the days of high fuel costs they have a product for the 100-149 seat market that makes the 737 and A320 series look like Hummers. And Airbus and Boeing haven't even started thinking about replacing their narrowbodies till later into the next decade. Brilliant timing by Bombardier and I wouldn't be surprised to see Bombardier pull a C-150 (150 seater) out of the bag later on.


Kris

ToxiK
Jul 13, 2008, 10:51 PM
Shelving the C-series for a few years worked out really well for them, the timing just wasn't right back then. Now in the days of high fuel costs they have a product for the 100-149 seat market that makes the 737 and A320 series look like Hummers. And Airbus and Boeing haven't even started thinking about replacing their narrowbodies till later into the next decade. Brilliant timing by Bombardier and I wouldn't be surprised to see Bombardier pull a C-150 (150 seater) out of the bag later on.


Kris


I think you are right about the timing. When i learned that Bombardier was delaying its CSeries, I was affraid that they would never have it builtd and that another company (Embraer) would take the market from Bombardier. In the end, it was good planning from Bombardier.

mr.John
Jul 13, 2008, 11:32 PM
The way I understand it the success of this new aircraft depends heavily on the new geared turbofan from Pratt & Whitney , if P&W get it wrong Bombardier could be in serious trouble. If you think this can't happen check the history of Pratt's PW4000 designed for the Boeing 777. Of course Pratt isn't the only jet engine company to have experienced major problems with new engines.. Rolls Royce nearly went under producing a new engine for the L1011,these problems and delays ultimately lead to the failure of the L1011 which cost Lockheed over 1 billion dollars in losses

Rumors
Jul 14, 2008, 1:18 AM
I saw it on the news tonight and I think its great news. :cheers:

caltrane74
Jul 14, 2008, 1:22 AM
Why didn't someone post a picture of the plane? Some of us here are lazy man......

http://canadianpress.google.com/media/ALeqM5hTlC5NbyieNQfm4_BGtS1pY6atOQ?size=s

Policy Wonk
Jul 14, 2008, 1:40 AM
The plane in your picture is a CRJ prototype that Bombardier keeps splicing extra length into for each revision, not the C Series.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/326018.bin?size=404x272

Laurent
Jul 14, 2008, 3:41 AM
^ that's aaawesome maaan! planes are so cool :wizard: they weigh numerous tons and they fly! in the air! and they generate so much investment & revenue in the country where they're built. happy to see we're one of the few countries who gets to build them!

Coldrsx
Jul 14, 2008, 1:31 PM
considering the movement to 100-150 seat planes that have less crew, can fly more types of routes, and cost less to maintain...i think we will have a winner on our hands.

MolsonExport
Jul 14, 2008, 3:55 PM
Great. I hope that this finally lifts Bombardier's share prices. I took a major paper loss years back, but I have held onto my shares in the hope that things would eventually turn around.

sledhead35
Jul 18, 2008, 6:09 PM
ooo this could be good for winnipeg

what kind of ties does winnipeg have with bombardier? i work for boeing in winnipeg, but its really exciting to see us canadians put a great product out there too!

1ajs
Jul 18, 2008, 6:16 PM
they all feed off each other to a degree though for parts ect

but i read somewhere in the last couple days the planes will be built in china? i was going to post the artical but for some screwed up reson this thread was nowhere to be found

harls
Jul 18, 2008, 8:20 PM
they all feed off each other to a degree though for parts ect

but i read somewhere in the last couple days the planes will be built in china? i was going to post the artical but for some screwed up reson this thread was nowhere to be found

I thought they were being built in Mirabel, Quebec.

Dirt_Devil
Jul 18, 2008, 8:26 PM
They are.

1ajs
Jul 18, 2008, 9:36 PM
well part of them...
Chinese firm to build Bombardier CSeries fuselages

Last Updated: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 | 7:43 AM ET Comments18 (http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2008/07/15/bombardierfuselage.html#socialcomments)Recommend25 (http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2008/07/15/bombardierfuselage.html#)

CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/credit.html)


The centre fuselage of Bombardier's new CSeries aircraft will be built by a subsidiary of a state-owned Chinese company.
Bombardier and Shenyang Aircraft Corp., a subsidiary of of China Aviation Industry Corp., made the announcement Tuesday in Farnborough, U.K.
No financial details were disclosed.
Bombardier and Shenyang said they will both put financial, technological and human resources into the project.
Currently, 25 staff from China are employed at Bombardier's Montreal facilities.
Bombardier confirmed on July 13 that it was going ahead with the CSeries commercial aircraft in 110-seat and 130-seat configurations.
The aircraft will be mostly manufactured at Bombardier's Mirabel plant north of Montreal. The project is expected to create 3,500 jobs.
Production will begin in Belfast and St. Laurent, Que., with the final assembly to be carried out at Bombardier's plant in Mirabel.

SFUVancouver
Jul 19, 2008, 3:37 AM
^ That makes me suspect that there is interest in the C-Series jets for China's domestic airlines. If they get a piece of the action from construction and points on the project then that smells like a contract is in the works.

Canadian Mind
Jul 20, 2008, 2:05 AM
Concern over chiniese-made products though.

Wonder if Wesjet will convert to the C-series down the road.

Claeren
Jul 20, 2008, 4:12 PM
Concern over chiniese-made products though.

Wonder if Wesjet will convert to the C-series down the road.



haha, no way that happens IMO.

But in their new partnership with Southwest I bet they are a likely choice for joint launch customer for the future 737-series, which would hold its own set of advantages.





Claeren.

ErickMontreal
Jan 10, 2009, 6:55 PM
Mongolia's Eznis signs letter of interest for CSeries
By Leithen Francis

http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=26849

Mongolia's number two carrier Eznis Airways has signed a letter-of-interest with Bombardier for seven CSeries aircraft, becoming the second declared potential customer.

Eznis CEO Glen Pickard says the carrier has signed a letter-of-interest for seven CSeries aircraft and the first could be delivered as early as 2013.

Pickard says Eznis plans to sign a firm contract in 2010 after it completes a route evaluation study with Bombardier to determine which routes to operate the CSeries on and to determine whether the 110- or 130-seat aircraft best suits its needs.

He says the carrier signed the letter-of-interest in September and has been dealing with Bombardier's Beijing office.

Eznis needs regional jet aircraft as part of its third-phase expansion which will see the airline launching international services to major destinations in China - such as Hong Kong, Guangzhou and Shanghai - as well as to destinations further afield in Kazakhstan and eastern Europe, says Pickard.

He says Eznis chose the CSeries after "looking at the economics of the aircraft compared to what is out there today".

MolsonExport
Jan 11, 2009, 2:28 AM
Claeren. I am glad that you sign your name. Otherwise, we would have no idea as to whom to attribute the post.


MolsonExport

Jamaican-Phoenix
Jan 11, 2009, 5:24 AM
Hopefully more people buy this aircraft and improve the Canadian economy. ;)

ErickMontreal
Mar 30, 2009, 4:07 PM
Bombardier wins order for CSeries jetliners worth $1.44-billion

http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=22711

THE CANADIAN PRESS
March 30, 2009 at 9:05 AM EDT

Montreal — The aerospace division of Bombardier Inc. has won another order for its in-development CSeries aircraft, this one worth about $1.44-billion (U.S.) based on list prices, the company said Monday.

Bombardier said the firm order from Lease Corporation International Aviation Ltd. (LCI), which leases aircraft to major airlines, comes with options for an another 20 of the regional jets.

Privately owned LCI has asked for three CS100 and 17 CS300 jetliners in the initial order. That follows an order in March from Deutsche Lufthansa AG for 30 of the CSeries jets worth an estimated $1.53-billion.

“This firm order for both CS100 and CS300 aircraft adds to the momentum we anticipated for CSeries aircraft following the initial firm order by Deutsche Lufthansa AG,” Bombardier Commercial Aircraft president Gary Scott said in a statement.

“We are excited about the future of Bombardier's CSeries jetliner family,” said LCI chairman Adam Tomazos.

“Market studies carried out by ourselves and other organizations see a large worldwide demand for aircraft in the 100- to 149-seat category over the next two decades, and the CSeries jetliner family is a perfect fit.”

Nicko999
Mar 31, 2009, 12:50 AM
:previous: really good news for Bombardier

Jamaican-Phoenix
Mar 31, 2009, 10:50 AM
:previous: really good news for Bombardier

:previous: Ditto.

Here's hoping more of these are bought.

LeftCoaster
Mar 31, 2009, 6:02 PM
Amazing news, lets hope this is a major boon to the Canadian aeronautics industry.