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waterloowarrior
Jul 31, 2008, 5:26 PM
Update: March 2010 new renders

http://www.richcraft.com/images/elevations/galleria2-a.jpg
http://www.richcraft.com/images/gallery/galleria21.jpg






Proposal to construct a 14-storey residential condominium building at 234 Besserer Street. Shared parking and amenities with 200 Besserer Street.

Development application page (http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__68Y4GR)

Site plan (http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Image%20Referencing_Site%20Plan%20Application_Image%20Reference_Site_Plan_D07-12-08-0092_Rev.PDF)

ground floor commercial space.. nice!

harls
Jul 31, 2008, 5:56 PM
Two 819 sq. ft commecial spaces, one on each corner. I'm thinking coffee shop and convenience store.

Where's the decorative metal screen going?

waterloowarrior
Oct 7, 2008, 4:33 PM
http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2008/10-14/ACS2008-PTE-PLA-0192_files/image008.jpg

http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2008/10-14/ACS2008-PTE-PLA-0192_files/image010.jpg

http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2008/10-14/ACS2008-PTE-PLA-0192.htm

Davis137
Oct 7, 2008, 9:57 PM
Density is density...hope this gets the green light...

Kitchissippi
Oct 7, 2008, 10:25 PM
So are they calling this Galleria Phase 2? I hope they have better luck excavating this pit. Note to self: do not park a car near there while they are digging ;)

harls
Oct 8, 2008, 12:41 PM
Hehehe...

Or maybe, if you're looking to get a new car, parking near here could be an option :hmmm:

c_speed3108
Oct 9, 2008, 3:59 PM
Looking at the rendering...I like, I like... :)

Kitchissippi
Oct 11, 2008, 2:21 AM
Hey, this could be like one of those progression questions on an IQ test :)

If there were to be a third tower it would be:

A)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3179/2929892407_c0845fe90d_o.jpg

B)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3295/2929806793_0464537307_o.jpg

C)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/2930751712_500ef7f13a_o.jpg

:jester:

citizen j
Oct 11, 2008, 2:49 AM
Hey, this could be like one of those progression questions on an IQ test :)

If there were to be a third tower it would be:

A)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3179/2929892407_c0845fe90d_o.jpg

B)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3295/2929806793_0464537307_o.jpg

C)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/2930751712_500ef7f13a_o.jpg

:jester:

Well, that's a question with two answers:
rationally, B)
but in reality, with the NIMBY factor accounted for, A)

drawarc
Oct 11, 2008, 8:39 AM
Second phase looks good, Rideau Street is really developing its own skyline.

waterloowarrior
Feb 1, 2009, 5:31 PM
richcraft has the status of this project on its website (application)
http://www.richcraft.com/234besserer.htm

Location Rideau-Vanier Ward
Floors 14
Unit Types condominium suites
Proposed No. of Units 103
Date Available To be determined

Overview The proposed condominium at 234 Besserer Street is located at the corner of Besserer and King Edward Street, immediately left of, and attached to The Galleria, Richcraft's new condominium in downtown Ottawa, steps from the ByWard Market. Both buildings will share similar exterior architecture.

Current Status 234 Besserer Street is at the application stage.

sky.high
Jul 7, 2009, 12:04 AM
Approval stage:

"Richcraft has received approval from the City to proceed with the development."

Construction stage:

"Construction has started for this new project. Further information can be obtained from the associated sales centre."

waterloowarrior
Nov 21, 2009, 10:22 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2520/4122469163_112036a16a_b.jpg
also

http://richcraft.com/condos-jump.htm

Davis137
Nov 22, 2009, 10:10 PM
Cool, at this rate, the East Market and Sandy hill is going to end up as dense as the CBD in about 10 years...

ServiceGuy
Dec 9, 2009, 10:55 PM
I have no doubt that the people that buy in this building will be very happy with their purchase but it's going to be a bumpy ride getting there (approximately 50% sold now).


Everyone involved with Galleria I from the labourers to the project manager has either quite or been laid off leaving no one in Richcraft familiar with high rise construction. The new building will be a whole new team - for better or worse.
There's a majour communications cable running through the site and all kinds of consultants are being hired to figure out how and how much $ to move it.
No budget has yet been drafted (according to my latest info) so I have no idea how they determined a selling cost.
The floor plans used by the sales department do not comply with minimum set back rules so your apartment can not legally be like it is on paper.
Galleria I is already getting ready for battle over the use of the pool and fitness room by Galleria II residents.


It will be a nice building but fun to watch the growing (building) pains me thinks. BTW... the two retail spots have been sold rather than leased. One is proposed to be a doctor's office with the other as a... wait for it... drug store. :rolleyes: Mind you at 800+ sq/ft it's likely to be a small independent hawking prescriptions along with a limited number of snake oils rather than a Shoppers supper store.

AznHalf
Dec 10, 2009, 2:10 AM
It could be just me, but I wouldnt want to live in building with a doctors office in it. I know nothing will probably be shared, but the idea of sick people always congregating outside the building just kind of makes me more paranoid ... lol ... Sorry I swear I'm just slightly germ-o-phobic ...

And is a small independant pharmacy a great idea for that owner, there's a PharmaPlus in the CPI and CPII building ... (I believe they have a pharmacy in there, no?)

rodionx
Dec 10, 2009, 3:29 AM
Everyone involved with Galleria I from the labourers to the project manager has either quite or been laid off leaving no one in Richcraft familiar with high rise construction. The new building will be a whole new team - for better or worse.



So would it be safe to assume that Richcraft won't be doing anything with 255 Bay until Galleria II is complete? Sounds like they're overstretched as it is.

snowwhite
Dec 10, 2009, 4:33 PM
ServiceGuy


There's a majour communications cable running through the site and all kinds of consultants are being hired to figure out how and how much $ to move it.
No budget has yet been drafted (according to my latest info) so I have no idea how they determined a selling cost.

How do you know about the budget? Do you have any inside info with Richcraft? The price when first released was set at almost exact $400/sqft, which I think it a good price for that location. Now 1 month later, $14k has been increased for each unit. I heard a prof from U Ottawa has bought 6 units at floor 14 &15. good for him.


The floor plans used by the sales department do not comply with minimum set back rules so your apartment can not legally be like it is on paper.

I don't understand. Galleria I and II are backing on to similar property line. And the depth of the building should be around the same?

IMHO, their model of Haywood is really good for the value, 2 bed, 2 bath, starting at 303k( now 317k). Hard to find in downtown newer buildings .



Galleria I is already getting ready for battle over the use of the pool and fitness room by Galleria II residents.

I believe Richcraft lawyers should be able to handle it. Anyway, the pool does not look crowded. And by sharing the pool, maybe condo fee will be lower for Galleria I residents?

AznHalf
Dec 10, 2009, 9:36 PM
Hey where did you find the floor plans to the Galleria 2 and prices ?

A 2 bed, 2 bath for 303k sounds really cheap, considering the same in the CPIII is $405 with parking spot. I looked for the floor plans but doesn't seem to be up yet.

ServiceGuy
Dec 10, 2009, 10:52 PM
So would it be safe to assume that Richcraft won't be doing anything with 255 Bay until Galleria II is complete? Sounds like they're overstretched as it is.

I'll reply to that in the 255 thread but my info is about 6 months out of date given there are no trades involved with the site. ;)

ServiceGuy
Dec 10, 2009, 10:55 PM
Hey where did you find the floor plans to the Galleria 2 and prices ?
Sales center in Galleria I will be more than happy to give you the brochures I'm sure. Makes for a great Saturday just touring around condos to see who's doing what and for how much.

amanfromnowhere
Dec 11, 2009, 2:24 PM
So would it be safe to assume that Richcraft won't be doing anything with 255 Bay until Galleria II is complete? Sounds like they're overstretched as it is.


Just found some info about this Bay Street project...

Four years later, Bay Street wrecks still await demolition
Friday, 11 December 2009
By Kathryn Parkinson

Published in : Centretown News, News

Yun Wu, Centretown News
These dilapitated Bay Street properties have been waiting for redevelopment since 2005.The onset of winter weather is causing Bay Street residents and business owners to worry that the street’s dilapidated properties are more than just an eyesore – they are a fire hazard.

Redevelopment plans remain at a standstill, but over the past year firefighters visiting the property for training have given locals a glimpse of a safer neighbourhood.

A sign promoting the “Lifestyle Condos Coming Soon with Richcraft Group of Companies” has been stuck in front of five vacant houses from 249 to 259 Bay Street, across from Centennial school, since the properties were slated for redevelopment in 2005.

But the picturesque 15-storey dream condominium is still nowhere near being realized, says Richcraft planner Kevin Yemm.

“There’s so much up in the air. We thought it would be on the go by now but it just doesn’t seem to be the right time,” says Yemm. “This project is an exceptional case for Richcraft.”

Rotting pumpkins from Halloween, innumerable piles of Tim Horton’s coffee cups and beer bottles pepper the vacant properties. The buildings attract spray-painting vandals, who have decorated the walls with letters, symbols, and other types of graffiti.

The only real homeowners are super-sized squirrels that bounce around their lot of hidden treasures. They scurry through the shattered windows and feed off the garbage that is scattered around the building’s shared backyard – a marshy ecosystem of waste.

One of the buildings still advertises the former Bay Guest House Finest Bed & Breakfast, with a deal for $49 per night. But nearby business owners say it’s clear that the only people residing in these buildings are staying for free. The unsightly houses are a convenient hub for homeless people.

“Basically they were shut down and boarded up,” Yemm says. “But the buildings get broken into occasionally so we have to check up on it regularly.”

Yemm says Richcraft sends a maintenance person to the buildings a few times each week to ensure that no one can access them.

But the manager of the Bayscorner convenience store, Suk, who did not disclose his first name, says he worries that with freezing temperatures looming, homeless people will break in and build fires for warmth, putting nearby buildings in jeopardy.

“Sometimes firefighters come to the building because they worry about the fire,” says Suk. “It’s very dangerous.” He says it’s a good idea to have the fire fighters in and out of the properties to make sure they are safe.

Yemm says the police and fire department were called to the property so many times, they asked for permission to conduct fire fighter training there last winter and spring.

“They had thought it was a good spot to do training, so they did several exercises in anticipation that we would be demolishing the buildings,” says Yemm. It is unknown as to whether the firefighters will return this winter.

While neighbouring businesses like Bayscorner remain in the dark as to when the buildings might reach the construction phase, area residents soon enter their fifth year of dealing with the repercussions of the stalled condo construction plan.

“It’s taking too long for the authorities or the professionals to come in and deal with the eyesores that are left in the downtown area,” says Jean Powell, who works in a nearby apartment building. “They are infested with animals and are hoarding places for homeless people.”

“It’s a serious case of neglect and complacency,” says Powell.

Yemm says that Richcraft’s design has been site-plan approved, but the demolition won’t happen until they are issued a building permit by the city.

“The company has decided to not go through with any construction at this point,” he says.

ServiceGuy
Jan 25, 2010, 11:54 PM
Not from my regular source but... rumour has it that Richcraft is interested in acquiring the low-rise rental properties that front onto King Edward so that they can expand Galleria II. If that happens it will mean delays while they get the new site plan approved not to mention the purchase of the properties. A smart move in my opinion but can they afford the wait with Plaza III scheduled to break ground this spring? Either way, Besserer Street will be a tight squeeze to get through from Cumberland to King Edward with all the construction equipment in the area. Galleria I residents are likely looking at living in a construction zone for the next five years at least.

harls
Jan 26, 2010, 3:09 PM
Is there a crane up for Galleria II??

ServiceGuy
Jan 26, 2010, 10:16 PM
Is there a crane up for Galleria II??

Drove by the site today... nothing has changed as far as I could see. Old sales office is still in use for service and the low rise apartments still have tenants. Be a while yet before they break ground.

waterloowarrior
Mar 22, 2010, 12:39 AM
Here's the new design. I guess if the render is accurate the intersection shown would be Besserer and King Edward as previously mentioned?

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4018/4451972439_7245638668_o.jpg

jcollins
Mar 22, 2010, 1:35 AM
Looks really good, much better than the original design. That corner on the left hand side looks really cool with all that glass.

And this new design really benefits King Edward. Before it was plain and boring on that side, now there's some interesting details. Really helps KE a lot, especially with all the new street scaping too.

snowwhite
Mar 23, 2010, 7:14 AM
Anyone know what will happen to the previous buyers for the old rendering? In this case, will the price paid per sqft protected with the different yet I heard similar unit layout?

c_speed3108
Mar 23, 2010, 12:32 PM
It is interesting that after all the problems they had building phase 1 they relocated phase 2 to Kansas so they call be close to "Ottawa University"
www.ottawa.edu :haha: :haha:

The old location close to the "University of Ottawa" did have a lot of problems so I can't really blame them on that.

:jester:

c_speed3108
Mar 23, 2010, 12:37 PM
It will be interesting to see the designs. It is an interesting looking building.

c_speed3108
Mar 30, 2010, 7:05 PM
Seems things will be getting started after the end of May

http://watch.ctv.ca/news/clip282458#clip282458

waterloowarrior
Mar 30, 2010, 7:10 PM
Richcraft's website for the project (http://www.richcraft.com/galleria2.htm) is up

http://www.richcraft.com/images/elevations/galleria2-a.jpg

http://www.richcraft.com/images/gallery/galleria21.jpg

http://www.richcraft.com/images/aerials/galleria2.jpg

ajldub
Mar 30, 2010, 7:59 PM
Very nice render, let's hope the building lives up to it.

AuxTown
Mar 30, 2010, 9:13 PM
This is a great looking tower! It's a big improvement from Galleria 1 which wan't all that bad itself. Can't wait to see this go up.

rocketphish
Mar 30, 2010, 11:38 PM
And thankfully I'm not seeing any of those horrible teal blue accents. :yuck:

blackjagger
Mar 31, 2010, 12:48 PM
And thankfully I'm not seeing any of those horrible teal blue accents. :yuck:

Teal accents are what make good buldings great...lol :no:

Davis137
Mar 31, 2010, 1:15 PM
Those new renders do look fantastic!

RTWAP
Apr 1, 2010, 6:24 AM
Very nice.

I wonder how many net new residents will have moved into Byward/Sandy Hill when all these projects are done. It seems like they've been building condos in the Market and surroundings for 10 years now.

waterloowarrior
Apr 1, 2010, 6:31 AM
We`re just getting started hopefully ;) Lots of surface lots still left

snowwhite
Apr 5, 2010, 6:59 PM
The new rendering added floor-to-ceiling glass walls in several units which is looking cool.

What are the pros and cons for condos with floor-to-ceiling glass walls? How about the functionality of laying out furnitures, watching TV, and privacy? Do you still need window coverings for the glass walls?

ajldub
Apr 5, 2010, 9:24 PM
I'd like to see more projects on Dalhousie, personally. There is a street that could be really cool in a couple of years' time.

Ottawan
Apr 5, 2010, 9:34 PM
I'd like to see more projects on Dalhousie, personally. There is a street that could be really cool in a couple of years' time.

I agree wholeheartedly. There are a number of surface lots there that really should be redevelopped. Although, I would like to make it clear that as much as I usually like height, nothing on Dalhousie is currently more than 4 floors, and for heritage reasons, I believe that 4 to at the most 6 floors is the appropriate level of intensification for that street (with the taller towers to continue to be put on Cumberland).

ajldub
Apr 6, 2010, 12:17 AM
Dalhousie area has seen some nice low-rise infill in the last couple of years. The Montmartre development is one of the better projects in Lowertown.

blackjagger
Apr 21, 2010, 2:35 PM
Zoning Application is up.

http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__7Y1EA3

Cheers,
Josh

Skipper
Apr 25, 2010, 3:06 PM
hi there

anyone knows how many units are sold so far in this project and how many units in total?

It is my understanding that they would demolish the buildings on the site next month. If so, I bet they will start construction soon?

waterloowarrior
Jun 28, 2010, 11:37 PM
Staff Report for rezoning
http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2010/07-05/7%20-%20ACS2010-ICS-PGM-0112%20-%20Zoning%20-%20230-244%20Besserer.htm

Recommended for approval

http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2010/07-05/7%20-%20ACS2010-ICS-PGM-0112%20-%20Zoning%20-%20230-244%20Besserer_files/image003.gif

blackjagger
Jun 28, 2010, 11:56 PM
What I like best about this application, beyond just good urban form, is how much commercial space is available. It is really evident in the site plan above, 5000SF of commercial will allow for (hopefully) many small shops.

Cheers,

RTWAP
Jun 29, 2010, 1:33 AM
What I like best about this application, beyond just good urban form, is how much commercial space is available. It is really evident in the site plan above, 5000SF of commercial will allow for (hopefully) many small shops.

Cheers,

Yup. Nice addition to the core.

blackjagger
Jul 9, 2010, 7:40 PM
Looks like Richcraft has contracted out the entire build and construction management. I assume this will allow them to move forward on other projects faster. Broccolini is going to be quite busy in the Ottawa area.

Estimated started date September 2010 with Occupancies starting August 2012.

http://www.broccolini.com/Broccolini_Project_Detail.aspx?ProjectID=179&All=No&Green=No&Current=No

Cheers,
Josh

gjhall
Jul 9, 2010, 9:11 PM
Hopefully this means they can get the 255 Bay project started. I live near there and even after demolition the land is an eyesore.

waterloowarrior
Sep 20, 2010, 11:34 PM
Site plan application approved. get er done.

Kitchissippi
Sep 21, 2010, 11:59 AM
I bet the King Edward corner unit is going to be a coffee shop. It would be a great spot for one, across from the Little Theatre, and put some life into the street

Proof Sheet
Sep 21, 2010, 12:21 PM
What I like best about this application, beyond just good urban form, is how much commercial space is available. It is really evident in the site plan above, 5000SF of commercial will allow for (hopefully) many small shops.

Cheers,

Is 5000 ft2 suitable for a small Shoppers:banana: we all know that Ottawa is crying out for more Shoppers Drug Marts:whip:

citizen j
Sep 21, 2010, 5:31 PM
^ probably not a full SDM, but they might want to take advantage of the site to launch a sort of Shoppers-meets-Starbucks coffee/pharmacy boutique. Latte and antibiotics one-stop-shopping.

Mille Sabords
Oct 29, 2010, 1:31 PM
Demolition is complete and excavation is beginning on the Phase II site. Quite a unique view of the church from Rideau! A new sales trailer is being prepped next to Don Cherry's.

Davis137
Oct 30, 2010, 2:38 AM
Wow cool...too bad I can't see it from my office. I guess once it's above grade I might be able to...

waterloowarrior
Nov 6, 2010, 1:37 PM
updated website
http://richcraft.com/galleria2/index2.html

twitter http://twitter.com/G2Condos

minichi
Nov 15, 2010, 12:59 PM
Hey everyone,
I'm looking at an investment piece at G2, CPIII, Central 2, and 129 Main.
1. Just wondering what is going to be built to the west of G2 (where the parking lot is)? Is that going to be the future site of CP3 & 4...?
2. How much are condo fees now at the G1? The posted $0.36/sqft condo fees for G2 includes heat, a/c, etc. Is this correct?
3. How much of G2 is sold?
Thanks everyone.

c_speed3108
Nov 15, 2010, 1:18 PM
Hey everyone,
I'm looking at an investment piece at G2, CPIII, Central 2, and 129 Main.
1. Just wondering what is going to be built to the west of G2 (where the parking lot is)? Is that going to be the future site of CP3 & 4...?
2. How much are condo fees now at the G1? The posted $0.36/sqft condo fees for G2 includes heat, a/c, etc. Is this correct?
3. How much of G2 is sold?
Thanks everyone.

I am not sure the fees on these, although you could probably get a good idea from an MLS listing.

One thing to note about condo fees in new buildings or buildings less than about 2 or 3 years is old is to generally give yourself about a 50% buffer on the condo fees. They tend to be underestimated by developers (although not always). Developers have to cover any shortfalls for the first year, but afterwards the owners are on their own so fees can take some big jumps. Make sure your happy with the math at the high price. If they don't go up that much then it is money in the bank. If they do, well at least your ready. Generally after about 3 years the fee stabilize.

If you are looking for an investment place only I would considering grabbing a unit in CP4, as the project is in it's really early stages and therefore the price is cheapest. You would probably make a pretty decent gain in value just over the build time, prior to making a dime in rent. Plus that was the mortgage will be less giving you a better return rent-to-cost wise.

ServiceGuy
Nov 15, 2010, 10:43 PM
The site has been cleared, cleaned up, and they just started driving posts today. Interestingly, the sales center Richcraft is building in the parking lot across the street seems to be 80% complete but nothing much is going on to finish it.

minichi
Nov 16, 2010, 4:36 AM
Thanks c speed.
My centrepointe condo fee doubled 3 months after interim.
Anyone know if CP4 is offering 2% off listed price (as Central2)?
Any tips on the direction at which the unit faces?
I'd prefer facing south, just b/c CP3 is directly north.
However, the parking lot at southwest corner would most definitely be developed into condos in the near future.
Is it safer to just be above a certain floor?

BRETeam
Nov 17, 2010, 12:46 AM
Thanks c speed.
My centrepointe condo fee doubled 3 months after interim.
Anyone know if CP4 is offering 2% off listed price (as Central2)?
Any tips on the direction at which the unit faces?
I'd prefer facing south, just b/c CP3 is directly north.
However, the parking lot at southwest corner would most definitely be developed into condos in the near future.
Is it safer to just be above a certain floor?

Yes - the higher the better in my opinion. Plus you'll be able to get a parking space. I think the cut-off may be floor 12 (i think it was floor 10 for CP3)
South facing for sure. North side shouldn't be an option in my opinion.

Galleria 2 will look great beside One.

Martin

minichi
Nov 17, 2010, 3:12 AM
Sales rep stated that parking will available to ALL units in CP4 (as of Nov 14).

Right now I'm leaning towards Galleria 2 over CP4 because
1. Better floor plans IMO
2. All 9 foot ceilings as far as I know
3. Granite countertops as incentive ATM

Anyone have an input?

ServiceGuy
Jan 14, 2011, 11:51 PM
Shoring is up, excavation underway, and blasting to start the beginning of February for about two months for Galleria II. With Plaza III & IV starting right across the street next month, Besserer will be next to impassable from all the trucks and equipment.

ServiceGuy
Mar 8, 2011, 11:52 PM
I had an opportunity to get some updated photos of the Galleria site. They have finished digging and just started drilling for blasting the bedrock about a month behind what all their notices said. The foreground in the last photo is the snow-cover CP 3 & 4 demolition site. Only the bank remains standing.

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/hostedimages/galleriaII001.jpg

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/hostedimages/galleriaII002.jpg

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/hostedimages/galleriaII003.jpg

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/hostedimages/galleriaII004.jpg

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/hostedimages/galleriaII005.jpg

c_speed3108
Mar 9, 2011, 2:27 PM
:previous:

They are taking alot less chances with the wall this time. :)

Tons and tons of diagonal anchors this time.

reidjr
Mar 28, 2011, 12:14 PM
I had an opportunity to get some updated photos of the Galleria site. They have finished digging and just started drilling for blasting the bedrock about a month behind what all their notices said. The foreground in the last photo is the snow-cover CP 3 & 4 demolition site. Only the bank remains standing.

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/hostedimages/galleriaII001.jpg

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/hostedimages/galleriaII002.jpg

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/hostedimages/galleriaII003.jpg

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/hostedimages/galleriaII004.jpg

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/hostedimages/galleriaII005.jpg

What is getting built acrosse the street as it looks like something as going on there?

OttawaSteve
Mar 28, 2011, 1:48 PM
What is getting built acrosse the street as it looks like something as going on there?

The foreground in the last photo is the snow-cover CP 3 & 4 demolition site.

:rolleyes:

Davis137
Mar 31, 2011, 12:47 AM
I was walking past CP2, heard the warning sirens go off, and heard (and felt) them blasting at the Galleria site a couple of days ago...it was kinda cool to be only a block away when that happened...

ServiceGuy
Apr 17, 2011, 3:34 PM
Thse photos are a week old but all that as really changed is that the base for the crane is now set up in the South-West corner where you can see rebar and forms in the second photo.

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/imagehosting/G2-1.jpg

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/imagehosting/G2-2.jpg

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/imagehosting/G2-3.jpg

JackBauer24
Apr 18, 2011, 4:59 PM
Thse photos are a week old but all that as really changed is that the base for the crane is now set up in the South-West corner where you can see rebar and forms in the second photo.

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/imagehosting/G2-1.jpg

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/imagehosting/G2-2.jpg

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/imagehosting/G2-3.jpg

Is it just me? It doesn't look like a lot has happened in terms of construction in a month. Have they reached their sales quota to break ground? Or did they prematurely break ground?

ServiceGuy
Apr 19, 2011, 12:47 AM
Tower crane was set up today. Besserer was closed all day. Going to be a mess for locals with Galleria and CPIII & IV all on the go at the same time.

AuxTown
Apr 19, 2011, 1:51 AM
Is it just me? It doesn't look like a lot has happened in terms of construction in a month. Have they reached their sales quota to break ground? Or did they prematurely break ground?

This is the longest part of the construction process. Just look at those walls....that's a lot of rock! I remember that, for Mondrian, it was 12 months to get out of the hole (excavation and 3 stories of underground parking) then 9 months to build the tower (24 stories including 4 stories of above-ground parking).

S-Man
Apr 21, 2011, 12:01 AM
So once this is built, will there be another condo board made up of unbearable snobs like the building next door? Because if they get their way, Besserer will be the first gated public street. If I have to read about their whiny, save-me-from-reality complaints again, I'll puke.

ServiceGuy
Apr 21, 2011, 12:55 AM
If I have to read about their whiny, save-me-from-reality complaints again, I'll puke.
Geez... you almost sound like you're on the BOD for Galleria I. :D

Here's a crappy phone photo for the final assembly of the Galleria II tower crane assembly.

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/imagehosting/G2-4.jpg

200 Besserer bod
Apr 25, 2011, 7:01 PM
I am a member of the 200 Besserer condo board that S-man is keen to accuse of being snobs. We're not snobs of course - just normal people trying to stop an unnecessary reloction of a drop-in centre. For readers who don't know about this dispute - see the latest article - http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Kelly+Egan+Drop+centre+longer+welcome/4643570/story.html - but there have been a string of them.
I reply party because, despite being busy vomiting at our comments, S-man brings up a useful point - about the risk of streets becoming gated, which of course would be very regrettable. With so many condos being built in this area - the ideal situation would be for their hundreds of residents to interact and be part of their community, rather than scuttling into their apartment blocks and staying there after getting home from work.
But sadly - that kind of isolation is exactly what is likely if this relocation goes ahead. Homeless people (many addicts and many with emotional and mental health problems) and regular working people usually don't get along that well. And given there are already three social services for destitute people close to our condo already - adding another is going to increase markedly the number of homeless people in our block. That is going to force people inside and deter them from wholehearted involvement with community services ...possible creating just the kind of gated mentality referred to by S-man.
Communities need balance and that is - we say - going to be upset by the planned move of Centre 454.

S-Man
Apr 25, 2011, 8:22 PM
Proximity and fear of homeless people is going to be the SOLE reason the entire building won't readily involve itself in community service of helping homeless people? Doesn't sound like that was ever a popular passtime at 200 Besserer, based on the attitude and complete lack of empathy (or tolerance) displayed by the residents at the meetings reported in the Citizen. Truck the homeless to Arnprior? Great idea, Gandhi!
Sorry if that offends you, but my observation and opinion that you guys are well-to-do snobs who chose to live in an area historically known for this element of society and now are unhappy is as valid as your opinion that all homeless people are muggers and rapists.
No of course, none of you ever accused them of that, that would look bad in the media, no, it was all done by roundabout suggestion and insinuation, your favourite tools of the trade.
I've had friends who've lived on worse streets than Besserer in that area for over 10 years (young, vulnerable women), and they've never had to flee an attack or call the police on a homeless person. Loud, blaring 4 a.m. frat parties? Yes, those are plentiful, and will likely disrupt your life more than the homeless people that you want the right to never have to encounter on a public street that you own property on. Sorry, no sympathy here.
And if you're the illustrious and pious Bruce Baker, go back to your two-condos-turned-into-one and hide in fear from the dangerous elements of society milling around your building thirsty for your blood.

BTW, fear is usually a product of ignorance and unfamiliarity. It probably wouldn't be that way if you volunteered as much as you claim. Good luck suing the city to stop the move.

kwoldtimer
Apr 25, 2011, 8:54 PM
I am a member of the 200 Besserer condo board that S-man is keen to accuse of being snobs. We're not snobs of course - just normal people trying to stop an unnecessary reloction of a drop-in centre. For readers who don't know about this dispute - see the latest article - http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Kelly+Egan+Drop+centre+longer+welcome/4643570/story.html - but there have been a string of them.
I reply party because, despite being busy vomiting at our comments, S-man brings up a useful point - about the risk of streets becoming gated, which of course would be very regrettable. With so many condos being built in this area - the ideal situation would be for their hundreds of residents to interact and be part of their community, rather than scuttling into their apartment blocks and staying there after getting home from work.
But sadly - that kind of isolation is exactly what is likely if this relocation goes ahead. Homeless people (many addicts and many with emotional and mental health problems) and regular working people usually don't get along that well. And given there are already three social services for destitute people close to our condo already - adding another is going to increase markedly the number of homeless people in our block. That is going to force people inside and deter them from wholehearted involvement with community services ...possible creating just the kind of gated mentality referred to by S-man.
Communities need balance and that is - we say - going to be upset by the planned move of Centre 454.

While I would not use the word "snob", and while you are certainly entitled to your opinion, I must say that I don't agree with anything in your post, including the implication that the homeless are not part of the community.

200 Besserer bod
Apr 25, 2011, 9:25 PM
A final comment - the 200 Besserer board did not have to get involved in this - the boards of 238 and Phoenix Homes condo opposite the church will doubtless be very involved in this, in future - as they are closer than our building.
But we knew this move would cause problems from the outset - and while we could just say just wait and see, the reactions of the people living in homes rather than condos nearby and their own experience of a similar drop in at a neighbouring church makes it pretty clear bringing 200 plus homeless people (a crass generalisation - these are people first of course) into this block will cause a lot of hassle. Now go ahead - call them snobs too - the fact remains, this move is not necessary and should not happen....and we're not talking about closing a service here or opposing a new one - this is just a move...
And it's amazing how simply opposing the move of a drop-in centre sparks such an emotional reaction in people who for the most part don't live anywhere near this area.... Speaking personally, as someone who has lived in four countries and a lot of big cities, including much meaner and poorer ones than Ottawa, I find the reaction a little odd..... Some people seem to really hate condo development in old neighbourhoods...but things change what we're saying is plonking a drop-in in the midst of condo-ville doesn't make sense and will cause problems which woudl be avoided if it stayed put... It's seems such an obvious commonsense thing to say. I'm obviously missing something!

reidjr
Apr 25, 2011, 9:27 PM
I am a member of the 200 Besserer condo board that S-man is keen to accuse of being snobs. We're not snobs of course - just normal people trying to stop an unnecessary reloction of a drop-in centre. For readers who don't know about this dispute - see the latest article - http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Kelly+Egan+Drop+centre+longer+welcome/4643570/story.html - but there have been a string of them.
I reply party because, despite being busy vomiting at our comments, S-man brings up a useful point - about the risk of streets becoming gated, which of course would be very regrettable. With so many condos being built in this area - the ideal situation would be for their hundreds of residents to interact and be part of their community, rather than scuttling into their apartment blocks and staying there after getting home from work.
But sadly - that kind of isolation is exactly what is likely if this relocation goes ahead. Homeless people (many addicts and many with emotional and mental health problems) and regular working people usually don't get along that well. And given there are already three social services for destitute people close to our condo already - adding another is going to increase markedly the number of homeless people in our block. That is going to force people inside and deter them from wholehearted involvement with community services ...possible creating just the kind of gated mentality referred to by S-man.
Communities need balance and that is - we say - going to be upset by the planned move of Centre 454.

Homeless people are a part of the community sure some have more then others but we as a community and a caring city can not just toss them to the curb.

ServiceGuy
Jun 15, 2011, 1:40 AM
A few new photos from today. Second level (from the bottom) parking slab has been poured.

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/imagehosting/G2-5.jpg

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/imagehosting/G2-6.jpg

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/imagehosting/G2-7.jpg

Davis137
Jun 15, 2011, 7:40 PM
Wow, didn't realize there was this amount of progress already!

waterloowarrior
Jul 8, 2011, 1:06 AM
webcam (doesn't seem to work for me tho)
http://www.richcraft.com/galleria2/webcam.html

ServiceGuy
Jul 30, 2011, 11:06 AM
Workers are now at street level on the Besserer side of the building.


http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/imagehosting/G2-8.jpg

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/imagehosting/G2-9.jpg

http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/imagehosting/G2-10.jpg

Davis137
Aug 1, 2011, 3:35 AM
Wow, at grade on one side of the building, with part of the 1st floor being framed already...nice progress...

amanfromnowhere
Sep 9, 2011, 2:29 PM
webcam (doesn't seem to work for me tho)
http://www.richcraft.com/galleria2/webcam.html

looks like it works! at least for me...

ServiceGuy
Sep 13, 2011, 11:16 PM
Forms are being set up for the second floor but it seems to be a long process. I'm guessing it's because this is the floor where the split-level slab disappears and all becomes one.


http://www.stonebriarfarm.com/imagehosting/G2-11.jpg

Davis137
Oct 26, 2011, 12:18 PM
I Can't be too sure, but I think this building is currently upto it's 3rd or 4th floor above grade, as I can see it from my office now, level with some of the other buildings around it, and looking like it's going to be half the height of Galleria Ph1 in a couple of weeks...

ServiceGuy
Oct 26, 2011, 11:21 PM
They just started laying out the forms for the 6th floor slab today. Looks like they are finally high enough to clear all hydro wires and are switching to flying forms to speed things up.

alphachap
Nov 6, 2011, 8:57 PM
taken 2011-11-06

http://i44.tinypic.com/2zhgqwo.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/ogxx0i.jpg

amanfromnowhere
Nov 7, 2011, 2:12 PM
looking at the progress for this building I must say that Richcraft is the fastest developer in Ottawa (specially comparing with Broccolini and its 22 Eddy )

Davis137
Nov 7, 2011, 2:41 PM
This one is going up fast, I can see it from my office now without issue...

Davis137
Jan 10, 2012, 7:27 PM
It's now at the same height and floor count as Galleria 1, and the forms are going up for the next floor as of this afternoon...

Davis137
Jan 16, 2012, 3:28 PM
The next floor is almost done...I think that leaves 1 more to go until it's almost topped out...

mrarlyn
Jan 16, 2012, 11:12 PM
I live just south of here and can just see the top of the new building over my neighbour to the north. It's good to see some density in the area.

I'm disappointed to see the semi-hijacking of this thread to talk about teh center 454 debate. But now that it's here I want to throw my vote on the pro 454 side. I've lived in the area for six years and not once have I had an issue. Maybe the people who live there should make the effort to get to know the "locals" rather than pick a public fight.

S-Man
Jan 17, 2012, 3:27 AM
Agreed, though haven't heard much at all about the issue since that flurry of activity a while back. Not sure what the outcome was.

Davis137
Feb 8, 2012, 2:47 PM
Looks like it's up to the 14th floor now, with only mechanical left to go... I can say, from where I can can see it during the day, I kinda wish they had built this thing 2-6 floors taller, as it would still blend nicely with the neighbourhood, and block sight lines of some not-so great buildings in Sandy Hill and Rideau...

McKellarDweller
Feb 8, 2012, 6:30 PM
Just drove by this for the first time in a few weeks. I know the bottom few floors were probably snapped up by investors, but wow, I can't imagine the noise and uninspiring views the north and east facing lower units must have. Those on the lower north side would perpetually have dismal natural light.

To each his/her own!

drawarc
Feb 9, 2012, 2:01 AM
Pic taken February 7th:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7160/6840200253_cd1f3172a1_b.jpg
Photo by me.

amanfromnowhere
Feb 9, 2012, 4:01 PM
this building definitely needs additional 3-4 floors