[Nicko999]

I don't know if a thread like that was created before!

Here, "Carrefour Laval" is the biggest mall in the Montreal area(for now).

Carrefour Laval is a super regional mall located in Laval, Quebec, Canada at the intersection of the Laurentian Autoroute (A-15) and Laval Freeway (A-440). At 115 478 m², it is the largest mall in the Montreal area, the second largest mall in the province of Quebec (after Quebec City's Galeries de la Capitale), and the 9th largest in Canada. It includes outdoor and a multi-level indoor parking.

The mall first opened in 1974 and is owned and operated by The Cadillac Fairview Corporation. The Carrefour Laval is one of the four fashion centres in the Montreal area that also include Fairview Pointe-Claire, Les Promenades Saint-Bruno and Les Galeries d'Anjou.

The mall is 2.5 km (1.5 miles) away from the Centre Laval shopping centre.

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Lac Mirabel is going to be the newest mall in maybe the most entertaining of all!!! Completion is supposed to be fall 2009.
Cost: 425M$
The whole project is 14 million Square-feet and include 2.2 million square-feet of retail space. It's going to become one of the biggest mall in the world.

http://www.di-global.com/UserFiles/Image/Projects/lac_mirabel/Lac_Mirabel_Birds_Eye.jpg

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Lac Mirabel
Montreal, Canada
GORDON GROUP HOLDINGS

Lac Mirabel, a 130-hectare mixed-use development in suburban Montreal, features a 160,000 square metre retail & entertainment shopping centre anchored by a high-end European spa, an auto test track, an aquarium as well as state-of-the-art movie cinemas. The mall is the heart of a mixed-use community featuring 800 condo units, townhomes, a high-end hotel and conference centre. Numerous lakes, forest and pathways unite the various components, allowing for four-season outdoor programming including hiking, snowmobiling and skiing. The project is located just south of Mont Tremblant, the largest ski resort in eastern North America.

[Rico Rommheim]

I fucking hate malls. I'm just glad going to one is a rare event!

[Distill3d]

so, like, i was at the mall, and oh my god, there was like Tiffany and she was singing in the food court, and like oh my god, she was like soooooo 1989

[WhipperSnapper]

big box is where it's at ... bigger and better selection and nothing beats window shopping by car.

[Spocket]

I realize that this is heresy but I actually like malls. I wish that when they were in more urban settings (as opposed to suburban) they put more focus on the streets they front but overall I quite honestly love the things. Probably it's because there's nothing worse than trying to go shopping in this city when it's -35 outside. That's also the main reason that I hate power centers though...to me , they are the anti-Christ. I understand the economics that made them so popular with developers but why city planning councils approve those things is a mystery to me. They are everything about the suburbs that people hate ...moreso than any mall that I can think of.

[Distill3d]

big box is where it's at ... bigger and better selection and nothing beats window shopping by car.

big box :yuck:

i actually like malls. not small ones like Cottonwood Mall in Chilliwack or Capilano Mall in Edmonton, but big ones like Market Mall in Calgary or Metrotown in Burnaby. the ones that actually get attention paid to them and have elaborate maze like settings.

every city needs a super mall (IE: West Edmonton Mall) that draws in all the tourists, and a few others of comparable size for the locals.

we need to do away with big box stores. especially in our attempts to go green and be environmentally friendly. it would certainly reduce the cancer that is urban sprawl, and make us less American...

[niwell]

I realize that this is heresy but I actually like malls. I wish that when they were in more urban settings (as opposed to suburban) they put more focus on the streets they front but overall I quite honestly love the things. Probably it's because there's nothing worse than trying to go shopping in this city when it's -35 outside. That's also the main reason that I hate power centers though...to me , they are the anti-Christ. I understand the economics that made them so popular with developers but why city planning councils approve those things is a mystery to me. They are everything about the suburbs that people hate ...moreso than any mall that I can think of.

Hey, they're better than big box!

While I don't go to any for daily things I do enjoy the Eatons Centre for gifts and such. In its latest incarnation that mall is rather well integrated into the urban fabric. Horrific still, but pretty good by urban standards.

Hell, even the Dufferin Mall is advertising it's urban aspect! For those not in the know that's the mall in TO near Dufferin and Bloor surrounded by 1900 era housing (the site was a racetrack before). It's actually kind of funny how that mall downplays the sketchy area around it.

Even in there suburban aspect I'd say that traditional indoor malls are better than big box. I'm just waiting till Chinook mall in Calgary expands so much it's up to the street on all corners.

[big T]

http://www.di-global.com/UserFiles/Image/Projects/lac_mirabel/p_lacmirabel_02.jpg
:haha: cant wait to go kayaking in the mall pond

seriously...

[Cambridgite]

Malls are way nicer. Around times like Christmas where I actually have to purchase many things in a short period of time, the mall is the place to be. Otherwise, there are too many 14 year-old emo kids at the Cambridge Centre and I try to avoid that place like the plague. Big-box power centres work if you have one or two specific things in mind and know the store that matches up with them (ie. Future Shop or Rona). Mind you, don't walk from one store to another, or risk getting run over by some oblivious woman speeding down the laneways and talking on her cell phone. Unfortunately, if I want the experience of downtown Christmas shopping, I'd have to go to Toronto, which is too damned inconvenient unless I'm already down there for something else.

[kirjtc2]

I realize that this is heresy but I actually like malls. I wish that when they were in more urban settings (as opposed to suburban) they put more focus on the streets they front but overall I quite honestly love the things. Probably it's because there's nothing worse than trying to go shopping in this city when it's -35 outside. That's also the main reason that I hate power centers though...to me , they are the anti-Christ. I understand the economics that made them so popular with developers but why city planning councils approve those things is a mystery to me. They are everything about the suburbs that people hate ...moreso than any mall that I can think of.

100% agreed. I love the enclosed mall....the community aspect is still there (to a point), and it's climate-controlled....the drawbacks are that the architecture leaves a lot to be desired and most of them are car-oriented.

Power centres are the tool of the devil, though. They seem to benefit everyone but the customers.

[Coldrsx]

malls are 100% better than big box...but i still prefer walking outside, even in winter, to do my shopping along streets with some character...like 124st or whyte avenue here in Edmonton

[HomeInMyShoes]

^You aren't fighting continuous precipitation. :)

On nice days I love winter and walking the streets, but when it's a foot of slush and then drizzle/rain over top the mall can be a pretty decent option. Big box land is just wrong. Hot death to corporations, planners and city councils for power centers.

[Coldrsx]

^meh...in van bring an umbrella and have a coffee. In Edmonton have a touque and a coffee. In toronto have both.

[HomeInMyShoes]

^Haha, you haven't lived in St. John's where quite a bit of the precipitation is horizontal as opposed to vertical. :)

In general I am all for embracing the climate we have, but the mall is quite nice some days.

[kitchener-lrt]

The only mall's that I like are the Eaton Centre (TTC connections/PATH), Sherway gardens, and SQ1. Otherwise, malls blow.

[Architype]

St. John's Malls are the ugliest things on earth, at least on the outside, but with the climate it's better than being outside on a bad day.

[Only The Lonely..]

Actually, Life Style Centre's are the tool of the devil.

They offer a pale imitation of Main Street while keeping a sterile open air environment.

I still can't believe the Old Winnipeg Arena site is going to become one of these monstrosities.

News flash developers, Polo Park was an open air mall in the 50's and you enclosed it by the early 60's because people hated winter so much.

Personally, I still prefer Winnipeg’s original Life Style Centre. Downtown Portage Ave

[Only The Lonely..]

Besides, I thought malls as a retail concept were dying.

In Winnipeg, Garden City hasn't been renovated in years, and Unicity was torn down years ago for a power centre. :whatthefuck:

[Wooster]

I don't mind downtown malls that are stacked - better layout than the sprawling suburban ones. Not as great as street-front shopping, but not too bad.

Some of you might be interested in this: Calgary's Eaton Centre/TD Square is getting a massive $200m+ upgrade including this impressive skylight feature. It will be expanded to span 3 blocks to try and tie the mall together, which currently feels disconnected from block to block. The redevelopment also includes a relocated and much larger Holt Renfrew store where a Sears is vacating.


4th street bridge from 8th
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4th street bridge from 7th
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3rd Street Bridge - with new Devonian Gardens
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closer
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/joshwhit/core4.jpg


Existing vs New skylight:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/joshwhit/CECTD.jpg

The existing mall:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/joshwhit/image1-73.jpg

Under Construction - Completion between 2009 (Holt Renfrew) and 2010 - entire mall.

[98fb]

^^^^ That is one sexy upgrade. Holy sh*t

[Spocket]

Besides, I thought malls as a retail concept were dying.

In Winnipeg, Garden City hasn't been renovated in years, and Unicity was torn down years ago for a power centre. :whatthefuck:

Well that seemed to be the case but lately I've been hearing more and more about malls whether it means expansion or new construction. It's possible that people generally despise "power centers" and "lifestyle centers" as much as we do and for the same basic reasons.

Garden City is in what is possibly the slowest-growing area of Winnipeg and it's a bit on the small side to begin with. That might explain the lack of enthusiasm for renovations. I don't know really but then again, a reno might be right around the corner too.

Unicity was built on the presumption that the city was going to continue development of a residential nature in the west. Frankly I don't know why it hasn't since it would probably attract plenty of interest. In any case, by the time it shut its doors, it was empty of shops anyway. It seemed the customer base simply wasn't there. The developer bought the property and made better use of it from a profit perspective by converting it to a power center. Ultimately I bet it will probably meet the same fate as the mall did unless the city starts approving residential construction in the vicinity (and that could/should include more higher-density development. Given that Portage avenue is lined with commercial development, unless more people are added in the west, any new retail construction must push the area beyond the saturation level for a business to stay solvent.

[mylesmalley]

I have to agree, power centres and big box stores are tools of the devil.

Moncton has two traditional malls. Highfield Square, downtown, is even quiet at christmas and probably due for demolition/redevelopment in the next few years. Champlain Place is (or at least was) the largest single-story shopping mall east of Montreal, with surface parking to match. I despise both of them, but Champlain place is actually very vibrant and Cadillac Fairview is currently renovating.

Now, big box malls... we have many, many, many of those...

[Only The Lonely..]

^^^^ That is one sexy upgrade. Holy sh*t

My thoughts exactly.

[kitchener-lrt]

^^^^ That is one sexy upgrade. Holy sh*t

ditto

[Wooster]

^^^^ That is one sexy upgrade. Holy sh*t

I think pretty much all the Calgary forumers agree. A huge pleasant surprise. It might actually make mall shopping more enjoyable. Certainly will be considered one of the nicest malls in the country.

I hope it picks up a few of the stores it's currently missing like RW & Co etc that will make having to go to Chinook or Market Malls completely unnecessary.

[Distill3d]

that is one amazing and well needed upgrade. but one question does remain, even in all its rod up anus conservative pretentiousness, does Calgary really need a Holt Renfrew THAT big? i mean, thats bigger than the Holt downtown Vancouver!!

[Bigtime]

that is one amazing and well needed upgrade. but one question does remain, even in all its rod up anus conservative pretentiousness, does Calgary really need a Holt Renfrew THAT big? i mean, thats bigger than the Holt downtown Vancouver!!

:haha: I love it!

In my few trips to Holt here in Calgary I would say they very much need it. The place is always packed, extra floorspace would be a huge asset to them for merchandising and general sense of space for customers.

[Calgarian]

Holt is only taking up about half of the space Sears had IIRC.

[Aylmer]

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1391/tdsquarereno2ix8.jpg


Did anyone else notice the palm trees on the far right side through the window?

:)

[SpongeG]

so, like, i was at the mall, and oh my god, there was like Tiffany and she was singing in the food court, and like oh my god, she was like soooooo 1989

she was more like 1987

:haha: i was in grade 10 when she came out

[Bigtime]

Did anyone else notice the palm trees on the far right side through the window?

:)

Yeah that would be where the Devonian gardens are, fully enclosed and can be made to support all sorts of vegetation such as palm trees.

[Jay in Cowtown]

but one question does remain, even in all its rod up anus conservative pretentiousness, does Calgary really need a Holt Renfrew THAT big? i mean, thats bigger than the Holt downtown Vancouver!!


Of course... big towers, big money, big Holt!

I'm sure you'll still have the biggest tye-dye & beads store.

[Wooster]

Did anyone else notice the palm trees on the far right side through the window?

:)

Yeah, Devonian Gardens does have tropical species.

It'll also see a large planned revamp too (the Large skylight will also span part of the gardens and will now open up a bit to the mall below I think.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/132/413347110_ea3c4a5bdb_o.jpg

[SpongeG]

how big are those koi :O

[jeffwhit]

that is one amazing and well needed upgrade. but one question does remain, even in all its rod up anus conservative pretentiousness, does Calgary really need a Holt Renfrew THAT big? i mean, thats bigger than the Holt downtown Vancouver!!

I can has Prada?

[craneSpotter]

Yeah, Devonian Gardens does have tropical species.

It'll also see a large planned revamp too (the Large skylight will also span part of the gardens and will now open up a bit to the mall below I think.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/132/413347110_ea3c4a5bdb_o.jpg

Hey! That looks similar to my backyard. Except mine has more color and my Musa Basjoo and bamboo is bigger;)

[shogged]

can't get enough of "the core"

watching this one very closely!

[mmmatt]

Obviously nothing close to whats happening at "the core" in Calgary...but this is the renovation going on in Atlantic Canada's largest "single building" mall (Champlain Place in Moncton/Dieppe)

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/stu_pendousmat/Phototour%20w%20Erick/DSCN2011.jpg

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They are replacing all the exterior entrances as well, but no render for that sorry.

This should be complete by Christmas 2008 I assume.

[mersar]

Surprised no one has posted anything on Cross Iron Mills yet. This is the new 'supermall' thats being built at Balzac, just across the northern city limit of Calgary. 1.2M square feet, 200+ stores. And surrounded by a sea of parking lots, followed by a sea of fields since its probably close to 5km from the nearest built up portion of Calgary. So no way to get there except driving.

Supposed to be open August 2009.

http://www2.icleasing.ca/Properties/alberta_project/documents/alberta_main_lrg.jpg

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Ivanhoe Cambridge (http://www2.icleasing.ca/En/AlbertaMain.aspx)

Heres a few shots I took of it in June:

http://compscience.info/public/images/2008/crossiron-jun12-1.jpg
From the NW, thats how far you need to be away to get it all in the picture. Highway 2 (QE2) in the foreground
http://compscience.info/public/images/2008/crossiron-jun12-2.jpg
The Bass Pro Shops store on the one end (150,000 square feet). Also has Winners, HomeSense, Toys-r-us, H&M as major tenants. Later phase of the development will include a horse racing track (which is like 2 years late now)

[SpongeG]

i've been hearing about that place for years now

i thought it would have been done by now

[Wooster]

shudder

[mersar]

i've been hearing about that place for years now

i thought it would have been done by now

I believe the original plan was a Fall 2007 opening. I know that the horse racing part was supposed to be ready for last years racing season but they ended up running the races at Stampede Park as they hadn't even really started on the track. I'm not too sure how far they are now either.

[Myke]

they had issues of where to get their water supply. They first wanted it from the Red Deer river but Red Deer said no and apparently they're not allowed to take from the Bow river. In the end, it has been said that they're now getting water from saskatchewan? I don't know if that's true or not. That's why the mall has been delayed for about a year.

[SpongeG]

ah - i just remember reading about the H&M being part of it which made me aware of the project

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as for malls heres BC's largest metropolis @ metrotown (http://www.metropolisatmetrotown.com/)

it used to be two separate shopping centres - Metrotown Shopping Centre home to Sears, Woodwards

than Eaton Centre @ Metrotown was built a few years later - it was anchored by Eatons and Bretons

the two malls were separate and shoppers had to trudge outside to get between the two - at the time Eaton Centre was much nicer and had better shops

in the early 90's a new skywalk was added that for the first time linked the two malls so shoppers could explore both

not too long after that Metrotown Centre expanded and added a whole new Wing to house the Bay

soon following - mid 90's - eaton centre expanded and added a movie theatre and "entertainment zone" with Playdium, and cheaper stores like Spencer Gifts... which has now been changed to better retail like winners/homesense, Esprit etc.

sometime in the 00's or late 90's (not too long ago) the owners of Metrotown Centre bought Eaton Centre and the full joining of the malls started to create the newly named Metropolis @ Metrotown - the sky bridge was expanded and stores etc now are where none were before

anyway some pics

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http://www2.icleasing.ca/Properties/MainPhotos/Metropolis%20at%20Metrotown_Small.jpg
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pic by me

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pic by me

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pic by me

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flickr (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2222/2025404800_7fcc0113a1.jpg?v=0)

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http://farm1.static.flickr.com/88/281786946_7db64ddf91.jpg?v=0
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this little train transports shoppers around

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[niwell]

Oh god cross iron mills is horrifying.

[Wooster]

For a sneak peak - go to Vaughan Mills. It's essentially the same mall - anchored by a fishing store.

[jeffwhit]

shudder

Yeah, that thing really puts the balls in Balzac

[mersar]

they had issues of where to get their water supply. They first wanted it from the Red Deer river but Red Deer said no and apparently they're not allowed to take from the Bow river. In the end, it has been said that they're now getting water from saskatchewan? I don't know if that's true or not. That's why the mall has been delayed for about a year.

Close. The initially wanted it from Calgary but the city said no (not unexpected, they denied the slaughterhouse that was just outside the city as well), then from the Red Deer River at Drumheller. They managed to get an agreement with one of the irrigation districts so they get water in exchange for a pile of cash and paying for some upgrades to the infrastructure for the irrigation district (canal improvements)

[SpongeG]

there were plans to open a "mills" mall here somewhere - some speculate Richmond others Langley

no idea if its still going ahead

[Myke]

Close. The initially wanted it from Calgary but the city said no (not unexpected, they denied the slaughterhouse that was just outside the city as well), then from the Red Deer River at Drumheller. They managed to get an agreement with one of the irrigation districts so they get water in exchange for a pile of cash and paying for some upgrades to the infrastructure for the irrigation district (canal improvements)
ahh that makes more sense haha, thanks for the info :tup:

[NetMapel]

there were plans to open a "mills" mall here somewhere - some speculate Richmond others Langley

no idea if its still going ahead

"Mills" mall ? What does that mean ?

[Rob D]

"Mills" mall ? What does that mean ?

IIRC "Mills" malls are a brand by the Mills Corporation based in the U.S. The Canadian mills malls are a joint venture with Ivanhoe Cambridge.

http://www.simon.com/about_simon/our_business/themills.aspx

www.ivanhoecambridge.com (http://www.ivanhoecambridge.com)

[Myke]

Mills malls are usually of the Outlet type with high end stores mixed in. Rather than having big department stores, they have smaller anchors like Winners, Home Sense etc.They also have themes to them and have "modern/abstract" architecture.

[wild wild west]

Re: Balzac Mills, if you take the trip up hwy 2 you will see they have recently installed nasty multi-coloured panels along part of the exterior. It's gonna be a beast. Also, I wonder if Bass Pro Shops will be opening fairly soon, ahead of the rest of the mall - their store appears (at least on a drive-by) to have its exterior complete, including signage.

there were plans to open a "mills" mall here somewhere - some speculate Richmond others Langley

no idea if its still going ahead

Mills has identified Vancouver and Montreal for potential future expansion along with Calgary, so fear not, you will probably be getting your own blight on the landscape within a few years.

[WhipperSnapper]

Vaughan Mills is probably the nicest beast in the area which says a lot about the city above Toronto which no one dare to speak its name. (I ain't kidding either. Residents go by neighbourhood when giving directions)

[LeftCoaster]

I can confirm that the IC/Mills group has a Mills project in the works for the Lower Mainland, I cannot disclose the location at this time however. I also cannot confirm if it will ever go forward, but it is definetly somehting they are looking at.

[vanman]

^Boooourns! I think Metro Van has enough malls already. Just redevelop some of the older ones. Any new mega mall is going to end up in the boonies like Langley or Maple Ridge due to price/lack of land and you can bet that it won't be transit oriented.

[SpongeG]

yeah

rumours for years that a new regional mall would be going in around 200th and Hwy #1

there doesn't seem like much space left now but you never know

there was tlak that the IKEA was going to go there but they chose Coquitlam to avoid bridge crossing problems

[mersar]

Heres an updated shot of Cross Iron Mills I took on Friday:

http://compscience.info/public/images/2008/crossiron-sept12-2.jpg

The Bass Pro Shops at the end however is pretty much done on the outside:
http://compscience.info/public/images/2008/crossiron-sept12-1.jpg

[1ajs]

what ever happend to fontans in the malls :(

[Markus41]

what ever happend to fontans in the malls :(

Care to explain what a fontan is first? :rolleyes:

Kid, you really need to learn how to spell. And don't just say that you made a simple mistake. That excuse is no longer valid. Every single one of your posts contain errors.

You don't know how to spell. Period.

[miketoronto]

You probably will not see many MILLS MALLS going up.
The company has been in financial trouble, I think from building to many malls.

The Vaughan Mills Mall is also not doing as great as expected. Actually I have talked with very few suburbanites in Toronto who actually like Vaughan Malls. Most say it is gross and would rather go to Yorkdale, Hillcrest, etc.

[DC83]

^^ Vaughan Mills does suck!
Yorkdale is by far way better... as is TEC, Sherway, Limeridge Mall (Hamilton) and the list goes on. This mall was a giant waste of money and land.

ps, don't listen to ppl or let them call u 'kid', 1ajs.
That guy is just rude... who cares about spelling errors. *I* knew what u meant.

I believe they got rid of fountains b/c they were too expensive to maintain. If business loves anything, it's eliminating 'unnecessary' costs.
ie: getting rid of malls altogether for big boxes. ughghghh *shudders*

example: Hamilton Centre Mall (aka Greater Hamilton Shopping Centre)

the 'NEW' Centre:

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6315/centremallud2.jpg

Smack-dab in the middle of the inner-city (Ottawa & Barton (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=ottawa+%26+barton+Hamilton+ON&sll=43.613335,-79.530716&sspn=0.069972,0.197067&ie=UTF8&ll=43.251423,-79.812069&spn=0.008799,0.016479&t=h&z=16)), and yet we're stuck with this suburban blight!
We (urbanists) cried to the developers for streetwalls, they gave us streetwalls... by facing the backs of stores onto Barton St (one of Hamilton's busiest and most walkable streets). They also failed to include a Transit node within the Centre, yet the #2 Barton bus comes every 8-or-so mins and is one of the busiest routes (I believe the 2nd busiest) in the City.

What a shame :(

[clynnog]

malls are 100% better than big box...


Isn't that sort of like choosing to die by poisoning or a firing squad.

[clynnog]

The Vaughan Mills Mall is also not doing as great as expected. Actually I have talked with very few suburbanites in Toronto who actually like Vaughan Malls. Most say it is gross and would rather go to Yorkdale, Hillcrest, etc.

I haven't been but doesn't Vaughan Mills specialize in stores that sell frill items (in other words no DSTM products) that are popular in destination visits. I get the sense that people in the City whose name we will not mention go to Yorkdale, Le Promenade or some plaza in Richmond Hill for their standard mall purchases.

To think that a malls anchor will be a Bass Pro Store is quite surprising....that area of the GTA doesn't strike me as a huntin'/fishin'/shootin'/trappin' kind of place.

[Cambridgite]

example: Hamilton Centre Mall (aka Greater Hamilton Shopping Centre)

the 'NEW' Centre:

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6315/centremallud2.jpg

Smack-dab in the middle of the inner-city (Ottawa & Barton (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=ottawa+%26+barton+Hamilton+ON&sll=43.613335,-79.530716&sspn=0.069972,0.197067&ie=UTF8&ll=43.251423,-79.812069&spn=0.008799,0.016479&t=h&z=16)), and yet we're stuck with this suburban blight!
We (urbanists) cried to the developers for streetwalls, they gave us streetwalls... by facing the backs of stores onto Barton St (one of Hamilton's busiest and most walkable streets). They also failed to include a Transit node within the Centre, yet the #2 Barton bus comes every 8-or-so mins and is one of the busiest routes (I believe the 2nd busiest) in the City.

What a shame :(

Dear god! And I thought Auburn's commieblocks were going to destroy the urban fabric. :yuck:

That is beyond awful. That kind of stuff does not belong in the inner city at all. :no:

My sympathies go out to you, Hamilton.

[RTA]

To think that a malls anchor will be a Bass Pro Store is quite surprising....that area of the GTA doesn't strike me as a huntin'/fishin'/shootin'/trappin' kind of place.

Cross Iron Mills, the one that is anchored by the Bass Pro shop, is being built near Calgary, not in the GTA.

[Cambridgite]

The Vaughan Mills Mall is also not doing as great as expected. Actually I have talked with very few suburbanites in Toronto who actually like Vaughan Malls. Most say it is gross and would rather go to Yorkdale, Hillcrest, etc.

It's not gross, but it is just a mall, like any other. It's just very big. Judging by the state of its transit terminal, Scarborough Town Centre is gross.

I have no purpose for mega-malls like Vaughan Mills or Square One. You know a mall is simply too big when you start seeing repeats of the same stores. I'm content with mid-size malls like the Cambridge Centre. Easier to get around and has all your middle-class necessities. :)

[Coldrsx]

Isn't that sort of like choosing to die by poisoning or a firing squad.

yes and no...while i still prefer walking outside on a queen west of in Edmonton a whyte avenue, malls are way above a big box thing IMO.

but i suppose at the end of the day you are right

[DC83]

I haven't been but doesn't Vaughan Mills specialize in stores that sell frill items (in other words no DSTM products) that are popular in destination visits. I get the sense that people in the City whose name we will not mention go to Yorkdale, Le Promenade or some plaza in Richmond Hill for their standard mall purchases.

To think that a malls anchor will be a Bass Pro Store is quite surprising....that area of the GTA doesn't strike me as a huntin'/fishin'/shootin'/trappin' kind of place.

They advertise Vaughan Mills as an Outlet Mall. That's the only reason I went. It's very deceiving as there are probably less than 5 actual outlet stores (and one of them is like a 'Everything Christmas' outlet -- useless).
Everything is full-price besides sales, and they don't even have any 'new' destination stores like Hollister or Abercrombie.
OH and the Food Court has giant postcards of every major Ontario city except Hamilton!? What's up with that?

There are plenty of man-made lakes in the York Region (Vaughan-Maple-Woodbridge)... so maybe that's why they thought Big Bass Pro would work there? Too bad there's no wildlife left in this area :(

[SSLL]

You probably will not see many MILLS MALLS going up.
The company has been in financial trouble, I think from building to many malls.

The Vaughan Mills Mall is also not doing as great as expected. Actually I have talked with very few suburbanites in Toronto who actually like Vaughan Malls. Most say it is gross and would rather go to Yorkdale, Hillcrest, etc.

Actually, Mike, the Mills Corp is now owned by Simon, the largest developer and manager of malls in the world. They sold their share in Vaughan Mills to Ivanhoe Cambridge.

I haven't read anything but positive news about the performance of Vaughan Mills, and I think you're speculating again. Vaughan Mills serves its purpose as a neighbourhood mall. In addition, tourists actually come to specifically visit Bass Pro. I don't think Ivanhoe would be rushing to build another Mills type mall if they weren't doing too well.

On another note, it's interesting that the GTA (and greater Montreal) has both Sears and the Bay in almost all malls, while in the west, it seems to be either/or and a lot more malls with Wal-Mart, Safeway and/or Zellers, with the size of the average mall smaller too.