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SpongeG
Sep 9, 2008, 4:13 AM
Prepare for home prices to drop

Most Canadian housing markets overpriced, UBC study finds

With Metro Vancouver past the peak of its current real-estate market cycle, more discussion is emerging about what the cycle's downside will look like.

The latest discussion points lean towards a price correction in the double digits, with one study showing current Vancouver house prices overvalued by 11 per cent on a particular measure and an economist observing that prices are falling at a rate of 10 per cent or more this year.

University of B.C. real-estate economist Tsur Somerville was lead author of a study that evaluated the cost to rent a detached, mid-market home in nine Canadian cities versus the cost to own, in order to find a balanced price.

The study's conclusion was that in the second-quarter of this year, Metro Vancouver's house price, of $754,500, was 11 per cent higher than the balance point.

However, that is less out of balance than Regina, Winnipeg, Ottawa and Montreal, which are 25 per cent out of equilibrium, considering prices and rents in those markets. Halifax house prices are 20 per cent out of balance.

Titled Are Canadian Housing Markets Overpriced? the study observes that housing affordability is a severe problem in some Canadian cities, limiting the ability of markets to continue to rise.

Calgary prices showed as being seven per cent higher than balance. Only Toronto showed prices in balance with rents, and Edmonton, which has already seen price declines, would need to see prices climb again by eight per cent to be in balance.

"I was surprised the Vancouver number is as low as it was," Somerville, director of the centre for urban economics and real estate at the Sauder School of Business at UBC, said in an interview.

He added that the rent-versus-own measure is a narrow observation that treats homes like a financial asset and does not take other measures of affordability or valuation into account.

And what eventually happens in the Vancouver market, Somerville said, will depend on a host of variables ranging from changes in mortgage rates to changes in the long-term average appreciation of housing prices and economic conditions.

"What you can identify is where the pressures are," Somerville added. "How the market plays out is very different."

Prices do not have to fall for the market to correct, Somerville said. Prices can simply stagnate over a period of time, like Vancouver experienced through the mid-1990s until 2001.

However, Somerville added that Vancouver has built new homes at a much higher rate than household formation in the city during the up-cycle, and the inventory of unsold homes in the market has ballooned rapidly, which make Vancouver more susceptible to price declines.

"Those are two big warning signs," he said.

Somerville said another unknown in the declining market is what the buyers of pre-sale condominiums that are now under construction will do once the units are complete.

If a significant number of investor-buyers of those condominiums decide to sell them right away, that would put more downward pressure on prices.

However, at this point there is little evidence of "calamity in the housing market," said Helmut Pastrick, chief economist for Central 1 Credit Union, formerly known as Credit Union Central B.C.

Pastrick said the reversal in the housing market was caused because of affordability. Too many first-time buyers were squeezed out of the market for prices to rise higher.

However, "it would take nastier economic conditions," such as a recession or sudden spike in mortgage rates to cause a more serious decline in Vancouver's markets, he said.

Pastrick said Vancouver's housing price index has declined four per cent since its peak in February, and in his latest weekly economic briefing, he noted that prices are on pace to drop 10 to 15 per cent this year.

"I think [the decline] will be closer to 10 per cent by the end of the year," Pastrick added in an interview. "And the [decline] will be at least 10 per cent from top to bottom [of the cycle]."

The inventory of unsold homes, which had grown dramatically over the summer, dropped a bit in August and Pastrick expected that trend to continue over the next several months.

At some point in 2009, he believes, the real estate market will find a new balance "and we could see housing prices tread water."

"I'm not suggesting [prices will be] flat," he said. "There's going to be some movement, but it could be a period of time where prices don't make large moves up or down - perhaps plus or minus five per cent a year."

Pastrick said significant numbers of first-time buyers will have to be able to afford to buy homes before the market swings back up.

Recent declines in prices help that affordability factor, he said, but low interest rates and solid income growth will also be needed to put the market into its next upswing.

"After going through this adjustment period, which I think will run its course next year," Pastrick said, "we could be in a period of a flat market" that could last through 2010 to 2012.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/business/story.html?id=c804030a-dd13-4a19-8747-1a4e7666c4b2

cornholio
Sep 9, 2008, 4:30 AM
no surprise here, I have been saying since 2003 that mid 2008 will be the turning point and late 2009 is when it should bottom out and possibly even begin to go up again. Now obviously im just lucky that my first prediction appears to have been dead on, but UI did put alot of though in to it. sometimes its good to think outside of the box and try to look at the world from the outside, pretend people and societies are simple and predictable...which they generally are.

personally i have money doing its stuff outside of realestate but when things turn im prepared to buy a house, which I suspect will be in two or so years. though theres still a good chance that i dont like what happens and i will rather buy realestate elsewhere in the world or invest in something else and continue to pay cheap rent.

jlousa
Sep 9, 2008, 4:38 AM
Vancouver has been overpriced by national standards for years, it isn't going to change. Prices should adjust slightly but it will always remain overpriced compared to other cities.
The price is controlled by supply and demand, even in this current boom we are not building more supply then people moving here. The high prices are the only thing that might taper off demand.

Ruckus
Sep 9, 2008, 4:54 AM
No mention of Saskatoon, we must be in the clear :rolleyes:

vid
Sep 9, 2008, 5:42 AM
Thunder Bay's housing market is very overpriced. The other day, I saw a six bedroom Victorian going for over $55,000!! :eek: They're out of their fucking mind.

A4Regina
Sep 9, 2008, 6:07 AM
can I make an offer of 39,000? :haha: ;)

vid
Sep 9, 2008, 6:21 AM
That would get you something here. I'm not kidding on the low prices.

http://www.thunderbayhouses.com/vh0.asp

Distill3d
Sep 9, 2008, 10:00 AM
the headline of this article

"Most Canadian housing markets overpriced, UBC study finds"

all i have to say is "well DUH!"

sorry for the unintelligent remark, it just had to be said

cornholio
Sep 9, 2008, 2:22 PM
Vancouver has been overpriced by national standards for years, it isn't going to change. Prices should adjust slightly but it will always remain overpriced compared to other cities.
The price is controlled by supply and demand, even in this current boom we are not building more supply then people moving here. The high prices are the only thing that might taper off demand.

You are right and they touch on that in the article. The fact is that a correction of atleast 10% is bound to happen in Vancouver, if that is followed by a years of stagnation then the real value actually drops even more thanks to inflation. Personally I think the coreection will be closer to the worst case scenario and I wouldent be surprised to see a average 20% drop...thats alot of money especially if you have a nice amount of money invested rather than stuck in realestate. If you own a house and dont plan on selling then it doesnt really matter unless you get in to financial trouble, the people I feel sorry for is those that invested in properties hopingto flip them, and those who bough recently because of feers of getting priced out while their finacially on the edge.

Cambridgite
Sep 9, 2008, 2:29 PM
That would get you something here. I'm not kidding on the low prices.

http://www.thunderbayhouses.com/vh0.asp

Wow! Out here, we'd pay easily over double the amount for what the prices are in Thunder Bay.

So that's two plusses for T-Bay! Beautiful natural landscape, and cheap housing costs!

Spocket
Sep 9, 2008, 2:33 PM
It's only "over-priced" if people refuse to buy. As long as they keep on buying homes, those homes will continue to be that much more "over-priced". Considering that a home is only worth what people are willing to pay for it I've never really understood the logic behind calling a city either over-priced or under-valued. The price is simply a function of demand. If demand drops but the prices remain the same, that's not really another way of saying that a home is over-priced. Nobody is ever going to be happy to watch the value of their property decline in value and therefore they'll be reluctant to let it go for less than they paid for it.

You could say that the value of the property is out of whack with the rest of the land value of the region but that's not necessarily true either. For example, who says that the price of land zoned for say, industrial use isn't under-valued ?

Okay, obviously anybody who has the knowledge to put together any sort of study on home values in Canada knows infiinitely more about the subject than I do. On the other hand, I don't really need to know more than what I do when I'm off to buy a home. Either I pay for it or I don't. Somehow I doubt that I'll be able to get to the seller to lower the asking price by %25 because somebody in BC says that that's what I should be paying.

SpongeG
Sep 9, 2008, 10:59 PM
the headline of this article

"Most Canadian housing markets overpriced, UBC study finds"

all i have to say is "well DUH!"

sorry for the unintelligent remark, it just had to be said

the other article headline said edmonton was unaffected...

many choices to choose from on google news there was yes