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Beltliner
Sep 9, 2008, 8:15 PM
Gotcher perfect response to this story (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080909.welxntaliban0909/BNStory/politics/home) right here, Gene:

Campaign draws Taliban attention

TOBI COHEN
Canadian Press
September 9, 2008 at 3:05 PM EDT

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan — The Taliban say they know that an election campaign is under way in Canada and that's why they have stepped up attacks against Canadians in Afghanistan.

Taliban spokesman Qari Muhammad Yussef said Tuesday the insurgent movement wants Canada's next prime minister to pull Canadian troops out of Afghanistan.

“Yes, I know that the election is being held in Canada. That is why our attacks on Canadians are increased,” Mr. Yussef said through a translator.

“One of the Canadian soldiers, who has won a medal as well, was killed in our recent attacks.”

Sergeant Scott Shipway died Sunday when his armoured vehicle struck an improvised explosive device in the volatile Panjwaii district of Kandahar.

The seasoned soldier, who was cited for saving a comrade's life during his previous tour in Afghanistan in 2006, was just days away from the end of his second tour when the blast occurred.

Mr. Yussef said he's familiar with Prime Minister Stephen Harper but isn't sure about the other candidates or parties running in the Canadian election.

While he doesn't know which party is most likely to withdraw Canadian troops from Afghanistan, Mr. Yussef said such a platform will be “good for that party and for their nation and for the Canadian people.”

“My suggestion for the next prime minister is to withdraw Canadians from Afghanistan,” he said, adding Canada needs to stop following U.S. foreign policy.

“When any of these party leaders come to power, the first thing they must do is ask the Canadians to come from Afghanistan to Canada.” [emphasis mine]

Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion responded: “We will not be intimidated by the Taliban.”

Speaking to reporters in Napanee, Ont., Mr. Dion said “Canada has a role to play” and is committed to the current mission in Afghanistan.

“We have a strong respect and admiration for our courageous men and women and our civilians. I'm sure that NATO, the government of Canada, the government of Afghanistan will work together to protect the people as much as possible.”

“The end date of this mission is 2011. It's an iron-clad commitment of the Liberal party that if we are the government we will do our best to help the people of Afghanistan until 2011, and after that the mission in Kandahar will be terminated for the government of Canada and for our troops.

“We'll have other missions to do in the world.”

Mr. Yussef, the Taliban spokesman, also commented on the U.S. election coming this fall.

He said he doesn't care much for American politics. He said he believes the next U.S. president, regardless of who is chosen, will be just as bad as the current one.

“American elections are just a fixed game. Their policies were mad 20 years ago,” he said.

“Whoever will be the leader, he will playing the same role — I mean a negative role.”

This is not the first time the Taliban have spoken out directly to Canadians in recent weeks.

Days after two Canadian aid workers were shot to death in an ambush south of Kabul last month, the Taliban issued an “open letter” urging Canadians to press their government to withdraw troops from Afghanistan.

The Taliban suggested attacks like the one that killed Shirley Case and Jacqueline Kirk, who were working for the New York-based International Rescue Committee, would happen again as long as Canada continued following the “American” agenda.

In the letter, insurgents blamed Canada for injuring and killing many Afghan men, women and children.

The Taliban suggested the attack on the aid workers was revenge, possibly for an incident two weeks earlier when Canadian troops accidentally shot two children to death. The Canadians feared the vehicle they were riding in was going to attack them when it failed to stop as ordered.

Mr. Yussef reiterated the Taliban warning to Canadians little more than a week ago after three soldiers were killed in a direct fire ambush in the Zhari district of Kandahar.

Corporal Andrew Grenon, Corporal Mike Seggie, and Private Chad Horn died when their armoured vehicle was hit in a “direct attack.”

“I repeat what I said before, that I warn Canadians again to leave Afghanistan if you don't want to have more casualties here,” Mr. Yussef said at the time.

MEMORANDUM

To: Qari Muhammad Yussef
From: Canada
Re: “My suggestion for the next prime minister is to withdraw Canadians from Afghanistan”

Idi na khuy!

The Trooper
Sep 9, 2008, 8:59 PM
Gotcher perfect response to this story (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080909.welxntaliban0909/BNStory/politics/home) right here, Gene:



MEMORANDUM

To: Qari Muhammad Yussef
From: Canada
Re: “My suggestion for the next prime minister is to withdraw Canadians from Afghanistan”

Idi na khuy!

Support our troops
bring them home

Beltliner
Sep 9, 2008, 9:08 PM
Support our troops
bring them home

Yup, you reads Russian real good, tovarishch--yup, yup, yup.... ;)

feepa
Sep 9, 2008, 9:24 PM
Support our troops
bring them home

how does that support our troops?

LeftCoaster
Sep 9, 2008, 9:25 PM
What a stupid move by the Taliban. By coming out like this and declaring that they want the next PM to get Canada out of Afghanistan it essentially guarantees that will not be the platform of either the libs or torries. Oh well I shouldn't really expect a thurough understanding of a democratic election from a Taliban leader.

Beltliner
Sep 9, 2008, 10:10 PM
What a stupid move by the Taliban. By coming out like this and declaring that they want the next PM to get Canada out of Afghanistan it essentially guarantees that will not be the platform of either the libs or torries. Oh well I shouldn't really expect a thurough understanding of a democratic election from a Taliban leader.

The point that needs to be made here is quite simple:

For every RPG-7 that you launch at a school that educates girls or at a bakery, butcher, or groceteria that serves Afghan women, we will drop on your bases an SS-15 or MX missile, its provenance being entirely immaterial and irrelevant. For every bullet you plant in a mayor or city councillor who expects the broad and equal participation of women and men in civil society, we will plant a howitzer shell in your hidden underground warrens. Put bluntly, we will do whatever it takes to wipe your festering misogyny and your horrid inability to face the fifteenth century off the map until you cry uncle and concede that we are living in the twenty-first century, and until you accept that the Emancipation Proclamation extends to man and woman alike, and until you embrace the education of every girl and boy in the service of manifesting the brightest conceivable future for your realm in which the full potential of every child encompassed by your country's horizons is realised in the full light of day.

You have lost any sanction you might otherwise have enjoyed by way of reasonable accommodation, and you should consider yourselves governed accordingly until you sue for peace and lay down your arms against the innocent.

Happy now? ;)

TOBoy
Sep 9, 2008, 10:25 PM
I wonder how many Afghans have been killed by the Taliban and to sit there and comment on those injured by Canadian soldiers is idiotic. Comments like this should only strengthen our desire to see the work continued, so people like this don't continue to oppress others.

Only The Lonely..
Sep 9, 2008, 10:43 PM
The point that needs to be made here is quite simple:

For every RPG-7 that you launch at a school that educates girls or at a bakery, butcher, or groceteria that serves Afghan women, we will drop on your bases an SS-15 or MX missile, its provenance being entirely immaterial and irrelevant. For every bullet you plant in a mayor or city councillor who expects the broad and equal participation of women and men in civil society, we will plant a howitzer shell in your hidden underground warrens. Put bluntly, we will do whatever it takes to wipe your festering misogyny and your horrid inability to face the fifteenth century off the map until you cry uncle and concede that we are living in the twenty-first century, and until you accept that the Emancipation Proclamation extends to man and woman alike, and until you embrace the education of every girl and boy in the service of manifesting the brightest conceivable future for your realm in which the full potential of every child encompassed by your country's horizons is realised in the full light of day.

You have lost any sanction you might otherwise have enjoyed by way of reasonable accommodation, and you should consider yourselves governed accordingly until you sue for peace and lay down your arms against the innocent.

Happy now? ;)


Amen.

WhipperSnapper
Sep 10, 2008, 12:03 AM
The point that needs to be made here is quite simple:

For every RPG-7 that you launch at a school that educates girls or at a bakery, butcher, or groceteria that serves Afghan women, we will drop on your bases an SS-15 or MX missile, its provenance being entirely immaterial and irrelevant. For every bullet you plant in a mayor or city councillor who expects the broad and equal participation of women and men in civil society, we will plant a howitzer shell in your hidden underground warrens. Put bluntly, we will do whatever it takes to wipe your festering misogyny and your horrid inability to face the fifteenth century off the map until you cry uncle and concede that we are living in the twenty-first century, and until you accept that the Emancipation Proclamation extends to man and woman alike, and until you embrace the education of every girl and boy in the service of manifesting the brightest conceivable future for your realm in which the full potential of every child encompassed by your country's horizons is realised in the full light of day.

You have lost any sanction you might otherwise have enjoyed by way of reasonable accommodation, and you should consider yourselves governed accordingly until you sue for peace and lay down your arms against the innocent.
Happy now?


How cute. Unfortunately, the situation isn't as straightforward as black 'n white. It's so utterly pointless to continue as we have been until the local masses are ready to join in on our 21st century idealogue. The Taliban simply represent a microcosm of their faith and society. (albeit bordering on the extreme) Bring are guys 'n gals home.

Distill3d
Sep 10, 2008, 12:19 AM
The point that needs to be made here is quite simple:

For every RPG-7 that you launch at a school that educates girls or at a bakery, butcher, or groceteria that serves Afghan women, we will drop on your bases an SS-15 or MX missile, its provenance being entirely immaterial and irrelevant. For every bullet you plant in a mayor or city councillor who expects the broad and equal participation of women and men in civil society, we will plant a howitzer shell in your hidden underground warrens. Put bluntly, we will do whatever it takes to wipe your festering misogyny and your horrid inability to face the fifteenth century off the map until you cry uncle and concede that we are living in the twenty-first century, and until you accept that the Emancipation Proclamation extends to man and woman alike, and until you embrace the education of every girl and boy in the service of manifesting the brightest conceivable future for your realm in which the full potential of every child encompassed by your country's horizons is realised in the full light of day.

You have lost any sanction you might otherwise have enjoyed by way of reasonable accommodation, and you should consider yourselves governed accordingly until you sue for peace and lay down your arms against the innocent.


though in principal i agree with what you are saying we should do, call me ignorant, but is it not essentially fighting fear with fear? and isn't this letting the terrorists win? i'm not saying we do nothing about this, but i don't specifically believe that this isn't Conservative spin doctoring to increase the mission in Afghanistan longer and using this as election fodder.

digitboy
Sep 10, 2008, 12:28 AM
The point that needs to be made here is quite simple:

For every RPG-7 that you launch at a school that educates girls or at a bakery, butcher, or groceteria that serves Afghan women, we will drop on your bases an SS-15 or MX missile, its provenance being entirely immaterial and irrelevant. For every bullet you plant in a mayor or city councillor who expects the broad and equal participation of women and men in civil society, we will plant a howitzer shell in your hidden underground warrens. Put bluntly, we will do whatever it takes to wipe your festering misogyny and your horrid inability to face the fifteenth century off the map until you cry uncle and concede that we are living in the twenty-first century, and until you accept that the Emancipation Proclamation extends to man and woman alike, and until you embrace the education of every girl and boy in the service of manifesting the brightest conceivable future for your realm in which the full potential of every child encompassed by your country's horizons is realised in the full light of day.

You have lost any sanction you might otherwise have enjoyed by way of reasonable accommodation, and you should consider yourselves governed accordingly until you sue for peace and lay down your arms against the innocent.

Happy now? ;)

:tup:

canlefty
Sep 10, 2008, 4:02 AM
الموت لالكفار! :haha:

drew
Sep 10, 2008, 4:16 AM
Support our troops
bring them home

I agree.

It is a totally fruitless exercise trying to force citizens of any country to adopt a new way of life, especially when they are not prepared to do anything about it in the first place. Let the Aftgan people rise up and sieze control of their own country if that's what's really important to them.

If the Aftgan people can't figure out for themselves that the Taliban are a bunch of screwed up ideologues and terrorists, then I cannot for the life of me imagine why we are wasting the lives of Canadian soldiers.

Nothing is going to change in Afganistan unless the change comes from within. You can't teach someone who doesn't want to learn.

wild wild west
Sep 10, 2008, 4:31 AM
though in principal i agree with what you are saying we should do, call me ignorant, but is it not essentially fighting fear with fear? and isn't this letting the terrorists win?

I would argue that acquiescing to the Taliban threats and pulling out would be letting them win, no?

vid
Sep 10, 2008, 7:40 AM
Well us being there generates anti-Western sentiment which boosts support in the Taliban. Technically, they win.

Us leaving gives them a better chance at regaining power. Technically, they win.

Either way they win. Only if we wipe them out can we win, but even if we do wipe them out, another anti-Western group will just replace them.

So, where do we go now?

An article in Time a couple weeks ago, by a person who actually lives in Afghanistan and has a good understanding of their culture, said our efforts would be better focused on investing in Afghanistan instead of blowing it up. Spread our influence into the region with capitalism instead of war, basically.

240glt
Sep 10, 2008, 4:55 PM
Harper told reporters in north-end Toronto that his government would withdraw the bulk of Canadian troops from Afghanistan in July 2011 and turn the nation's security back to the Afghans

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/decisioncanada/story.html?id=ca4ed049-b7fb-493d-9ceb-25ed71e933

ArchiCAD
Sep 11, 2008, 3:41 AM
I would argue that acquiescing to the Taliban threats and pulling out would be letting them win, no?

No, because we could be there until 2015 and the majority will always have hardline Islamic beliefs. Even if it's not the Taliban, another group with similar beliefs will come in, 7 years from now and who knows how many more lives. We've toppled the Taliban and Afghanistan has free elections but converting from Islam to Christianity carries the death penalty. Officially we've acheieved a lot but unofficial the Afghans still think the same. Would you be happier arriving at the same meaningless goal with 96 lives lost or you would prefer the same outcome with 200 lives lost?