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robk1982
12-25-2008, 05:46 PM
http://www.governing.com/articles/0801flint.htm


Michigan’s most depressed auto town is full of vacant buildings. One local official has made their redevelopment his personal crusade.

By CHRISTOPHER SWOPE

On a cold, gray day in Flint, Michigan, Dan Kildee is walking down Stone Street. Like a lot of residential blocks in Flint, it looks as though a tornado has just blown through. But the destruction here is all man-made — urban abandonment run its course. A ground-up tree stump lies where a home once stood, and empty lots on both sides of the street are strewn with weeds, mud and leaves. One remaining house is stripped to its wooden bones, looking naked and vulnerable.

If Stone Street's ragged look is sadly typical of many towns of Rust Belt America, something else here is unusual: rows of brown Century 21 realty signs lining both sides of the block. Kildee owns these properties, in his official capacity as treasurer of Genesee County, because he's foreclosed on them for unpaid taxes. In fact, he owns about 8 percent of the city of Flint, and at one time or another he has controlled 11 percent of it. He's about to build eight new houses on Stone Street, joining forces with a local nonprofit that will renovate five homes, starting with the empty wooden shell. "They call this one a rehab," Kildee says. "I call it a hab."

One might question the wisdom of building anything new in a shrinking town such as Flint. Laid-off auto workers are still leaving what used to be called "Vehicle City," and as Kildee likes to say, they often forget to take their homes with them. But he thinks the houses on Stone Street will sell, perhaps for as much as $125,000, because the location is close to two universities, a hospital and downtown. As Kildee sees it, what Flint needs is a rebalancing of its housing market — not just reducing the supply to match a diminished demand but also improving the supply in the neighborhoods that are most likely to survive. And that requires building some new product, in addition to tearing down a whole lot of the old one.

If even that modest revival is going to take place, government has to play a role, and Kildee has stretched the bounds of his job title to make sure he's the one to do it. Using state laws that he helped to write, Kildee has amassed a vast property portfolio throughout Genesee County. Most of it is in Flint, and the bulk of it is vacant lots and boarded-up homes. By virtue of his desire to put as much of this land as possible to productive use, Kildee has become, for all intents and purposes, Flint's chief city planner as well as its most powerful landlord and premier developer. Along the way, he's invented new revenue streams to help pay for demolition work, property maintenance and a 13-person staff to run the whole enterprise. "I didn't run for county treasurer because the idea of wearing green eye shades just thrilled me," Kildee admits. "I ran because I knew there were ways to do things beyond the current definition."

Kildee isn't just an activist tax collector — he's something of a missionary to other depopulating cities. Under the banner of the Genesee Institute, a think tank he founded, Kildee travels across the Midwest and as far as New Orleans, amusing audiences of local officials with gallows humor while imploring them to take ownership of their vacant-housing problem. He's quick to point out that his strategies don't require the local economy to be as far gone as Flint's is. Every city and county has tax delinquencies. And as the nation's mortgage crisis hits bottom, it's likely there'll be many more.

Kildee's work has won him a lot of praise locally and an Innovations in Government award from Harvard University. It's also made him a few enemies. Donald Williamson, Flint's eccentric mayor and a political rival of Kildee's, has taken to calling him a slumlord, which is a bit unfair when you consider how run-down most properties are by the time Kildee gets hold of them. But the people who dislike Kildee the most are investors who know how to wring dollars out of vacant properties. That's because Kildee has put them out of business in Genesee County and absorbed their profits into his budget.

One aggrieved group is land speculators, who Kildee says were ruining neighborhoods by buying up vacant land for rock-bottom prices and sitting on it. Among his other targets are the firms that buy tax liens from localities — a $10 billion industry that includes some top names on Wall Street. Kildee likens their services to junk food: The governments snack on a welcome upfront payment, but ceding control of the land to third parties eventually harms the health of blighted neighborhoods.

Kildee's philosophy is winning some converts among county treasurers both in and out of Michigan. One of them is Wade Kapszukiewicz from Lucas County, Ohio, which includes Toledo. When Kapszukiewicz won the treasurer's office three years ago, he pledged to begin auctioning off the county's tax liens. He sold two batches of liens to a firm based in New Jersey and says he has no regrets about the $15 million he raised this way. But then he heard Kildee speak at conferences, chatted with him a few times and came away convinced that tax-lien sales are a thing of the past. "It's dawned on me that this is no longer cutting edge," says Kapszukiewicz, who plans to lobby the Ohio legislature to give county treasurers the powers that Kildee has in Michigan. "The new way to do it will be Dan Kildee's way."

FORECLOSING TO WIN

Kildee, who is 49, remembers the Flint of his youth as a safe place where there was always something to do. The neighborhoods were vibrant and prosperous and identified themselves by the nearest Catholic church — Kildee was born in St. Mary's and grew up in St. Luke's. The neighborhood boys would form football teams with names such as the Genesee Jets or the 8th Street Wildcats and square off in ragtag bowl games with nothing riding on them but parish pride.

Kildee is a Democrat and comes from a political family — his uncle, Dale, has represented Flint in Congress for 31 years. At 18, Dan Kildee won a seat on the Flint school board, serving there while attending classes at the University of Michigan-Flint. Later, he was elected to the county board of commissioners, and eventually became its chairman before winning a campaign for county treasurer in 1996.

The years since then have been a depressing time in Flint, to say the least. General Motors, which for decades was the anchor of the local economy, has reduced its local payroll from 79,000 employees to 15,000 (including those at Delphi, the parts company GM spun off in 1999). The city's population peaked at 197,000 in 1960 and is estimated to be around 117,000 now. "This was a rich town," Kildee says. "Flint was the auto producer for the world. We had the world by the tail and knew it would never end. But a lot of that wealth has evaporated, and behind it is this legacy of abandonment which is really, really costly."

When Kildee became county treasurer, Michigan had a tax-foreclosure law that dated to 1893. The law's original intent was to help farmers avoid losing their land during depressions. It was totally inadequate for handling the post-industrial problem of urban abandonment on a mass scale. Some vacant properties languished for periods as long as seven years. Others simply cycled through the system of tax-lien sales and public auctions, usually winding up in the hands of out-of-town investors who would do nothing to improve them.

By the late 1990s, momentum was building to change the system. The initial push came from Republicans in the state Senate, backed by research from the Hudson Institute, a conservative think tank. Kildee and other county treasurers weighed in, and the result was a law that passed in 1999 with bipartisan support. It shortened the tax-foreclosure process to two years, and gave county treasurers all over the state a clean title to foreclosed property.

Within a couple of years, Kildee had 1,339 titles piled up in his office. So he pressed Lansing for a second law allowing counties to form public authorities to manage all the land they were acquiring. These were called land banks, and they were given the power to sell bonds, to contract with local governments, to collect rent and to purchase, hold or sell property. Kildee also got the legislature to include vacant properties in the definition of a "brownfield," a shrewd maneuver that released revenue for the Genesee County Land Bank Authority, which he chairs.

More than any other treasurer in Michigan, Kildee has taken what the legislature offered and run with it. With a couple of startup grants from the Charles Stewart Mott Foundation, he built a new system for moving more than 1,000 properties a year through the tax-foreclosure process and into public ownership. He also devised a foreclosure prevention program, to keep people in their homes rather than abandoning them in the first place.

If the old system had encouraged speculative investment, the one Kildee devised aimed to hold land in the public domain until productive uses could be found for it. Through its "sidelot" program, for example, the land bank has sold more than 500 vacant parcels to adjacent homeowners who want a larger yard. The treasurer's office pays particularly close attention to what's happening in stable neighborhoods, where one vacant property can quickly drag down a whole block. When such homes wind up in the public portfolio, the office rehabs them quickly, and either sells them or rents them out.

With most of his properties, however, Kildee has to play defense. That means demolishing homes that are too far gone to save — more than 800 so far — if only to get rid of eyesores. And it means contracting with churches and community groups to mow empty lots in the summertime to hold back the jungle. Kildee admits that maintaining so much fallow land is a challenge the land bank can't keep up with, but he argues that the land is still better off as public property than in the hands of speculators. There's some evidence to back him up on this. A Michigan State University study found that the land bank's demolition work had unlocked $112 million in land value by removing blight. Ryan Eashoo, a Flint Realtor, estimates that the land bank's work has increased land values in the range of 5 to 10 percent.

Frank S. Alexander, a law professor at Emory University in Atlanta and an expert on land banks, says the big breakthrough was seeing beyond Flint's day-to-day crisis to find public value even in its most derelict land. "Dan began to draw lines and see connections that we previously hadn't seen," Alexander says. "He said that what a tax commissioner does is directly related to the long-term health of a community. It's not just maximizing revenue in the short term but actually engaging in land-use planning, development and neighborhood stabilization. Dan was the first in the country, as a tax collector, to do that."

RESTORATION DREAMS

Increasingly, Kildee is delving into development deals where he thinks public-sector investment can have a catalytic effect. The Stone Street project is one example of that. Another is the land bank's own headquarters in downtown Flint. The four-story building was once a department store. It closed in 1980 and sat vacant for more than two decades, in part because there were 22 separate title interests attached to the building. "It was stuck in the old law," Kildee says. "It had been abandoned so long, I'd walked past it for 20 years and didn't even think of it as a building anymore. It was just part of this permanent landscape of abandonment."

In 2003, Kildee foreclosed on the building and took title. The land bank put $4 million into renovations and moved its offices to the second floor. The rest of the building is a mix of commercial units and loft-style apartments that rent for about $750 a month. Soon after the land bank building opened, changes began happening on Saginaw Street, Flint's main drag. First, an historic building next door converted to apartments. Today, several more buildings are under restoration, with more apartments, offices and restaurants on the way.

Another potentially transformative project is located a few blocks away. It's the old Durant Hotel, a landmark building from Flint's glory days. Named after Billy Durant, one of the founders of General Motors, the once-elegant hotel was the place where Flint's notable visitors stayed and where the sons and daughters of high society held their weddings. It closed in 1973. But its ghost, an eight-story brick edifice, still stands at the crest of Saginaw Street. "It's like the Titanic inside," Kildee says. "Without the water."

The Durant was bought and sold several times over the years, but it just kept decaying. The hotel became a metaphor for Flint's decline, and Kildee grew tired of seeing it sit vacant. So he persuaded the land bank's board to buy it for $200,000. (The C.S. Mott Foundation put in another $200,000.) If a productive and economically sustaining use could be found for the building, Kildee resolved to restore it. If not, he would knock it down.

On a tour of the Durant, Kildee steps carefully down a dark corridor strewn with bricks, crumbled plaster and broken glass. It leads to the hotel lobby, where an arched window lets in enough daylight for a visitor to see tall Corinthian pillars, a second-floor balcony and a reception desk with dozens of empty mail slots behind it. Kildee hums a few bars from Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go On," the theme song from "Titanic," and explains that the Durant, too, will go on. He's found developers who want to turn it into off-campus housing for the University of Michigan-Flint. The developers say they're willing to do it largely at their own risk, with a minimum of public resources.

Even as Kildee keeps pushing the limits of his job title, he understands that he's working in one of the toughest economies in the United States. He's not under any illusions that he's somehow reversed Flint's decline. "The effect we're having in Flint is measurable," he says, "but it's only measurable against the effect that the former system would have. The system we had in place was unintentionally designed for the lowest use of the property left behind. It quite literally found the lowest, most negative type of use for single-family residences, commercial properties and just about anything that came through it.

"The reason I point that out," he goes on to say, "is that the way we conceptualize our solution is as a process. Not as a white knight who rides in and fixes all the property. Because we can't do that. There isn't enough money in any system to do that overnight. But we can look at our work as a new pathway for these properties."

robk1982
12-25-2008, 05:50 PM
On a side note, the Stone Street development mentioned at the beginning of the above story has been shut down because a Native American burial ground was discovered. The redevelopment of the Durant Hotel, however, has started and is scheduled to be completed in Fall 2009.

LMich
12-26-2008, 11:39 AM
Excellent article. I had no idea this was going on in Flint, and coming just from down the road, I his acute understanding of land banks and county treasury departments spreads across the state. At least in terms of land banking, Flint seems to be miles ahead Detroit, which could really benefit from something like this if they used it to this extent. In the case of someone as committed as Kildee, it's very good for this surplus land to be in the hands of of the city and its landbank.

It's really kind of sad that down the road in Detroit, because of all of the paranoia, that Detroit wasn't just skeptical of land banks, but down-right hostile to them for so long, and only this fall did they approve an authority.

There is so much to marinate over in the article, that I'll have to come back and read it again. Needless to say, though, that I'm impressed with Kildee.

WilliamTheArtist
12-27-2008, 05:41 PM
This is very interesting. Though not exactly sure what he is doing or how it could work in some of Tulsas situations.

We have been trying to get redevelopment going in a large, run down, section of downtown. There have been multiple developers come in with different proposals who then find that they cant get all the property they need because someone has a chunk of property and wants an outrageous price for it.

At one time I had thought of perhaps buying a small old, abandoned, run down building in or near downtown only to find that the owners wanted OUTRAGEOUS prices for it! Or like the above example, the developer gets several pieces of land but then the remaining pieces the owners then want even more for them. The developer cant cobble together enough propery... they leave. We have watched this happen several times now.

So the vacant lots and buildings just sit there and continue to rot and get worse. The small developer or individual cant afford them. The large developer cant make the numbers work either... and often just end up going to the suburbs where their investment is more secure, land cheaper, and the demographics better anyway. How can the core ever revitalize itself in such a situation?

Another similar example was a developer who wanted to develope a large, 400million dollar, mixed use, shopping/dining/urban living development across the river from downtown. The city owned some property, but the amount one of the land owner wanted for their part, and old cement factory, was 40 million. The deal never worked out. In the meantime a developer bought up 5 times as much land for only 5 million dollars in one of the suburbs, for a BILLION dollar development along the river there, smack dab in the middle of one of the fastest growing areas with the wealthiest demographics in the region. The property near downtown had poor demographics, losing population, would have required remediation, was smaller, and COST MORE? And then everyone complains that the city keeps losing to the suburbs? Duh! lol

I just dont understand it. How can these property owners and "speculators" want so much and be willing to sit on their property for decades as it rots while watching the suburbs boom and the city core continue to struggle? Greed and not giving a damn is all I can think of. Or perhaps still thinking someday downtown will boom again "not gonna be another oil boom in Tulsa folks, those days are over" and they can then get their prices.

arenn
12-27-2008, 06:43 PM
A great article - very innovative approaches.

urbanlife
12-28-2008, 12:23 AM
Land Banks are really interesting and I think the key to affordable housing in this country. William, I did an architecture studio here in Portland that had us working with a land bank on one of their properties...it was just a fake proposal, but it gave us an idea of how these things work in great detail.

What makes most (I say most because I dont know if this is the case for all of them) land banks work is that they buy up land and build houses on them, the houses are then sold off, but not the land. Speculators make money off holding onto land, it is a tax base thing...seriously that in itself is a hard one to understand but it works for them somehow. But because speculators are just sitting on cheap land waiting for someone to buy it for a higher price for redevelopment, nothing happens with these lots. But with land banks they are actively building homes and selling them at the cost to construct a home.

The new home owner then has an agreement with the land bank where they are leasing the land the house sits on for as long as they own the home and the trade off is a very cheap house that is well built. When it comes time to sell and move to another home, the home owner would sell it for a small percentage higher than what it was bought for (the housing boom price increase would have little to now effect, the natural rate of increased value would, thus the value would increase slowly). The profit that is made from the sale would be divided up between the seller and the land bank.

Basically, I think it would be important for states and federal governments to open up money so that more non profit land banks could be created throughout the country cause it would be nice to see the next housing boom be for the middle and lower class people.

arenn
12-28-2008, 01:01 AM
urbanlife, if you are interested in how the public can capture ground rents instead of speculators, I'd suggest reading the works of Henry George and studying an idea known as the land value tax. George and his followers made overly utopian claims for their system IMO, and have been nursing a persecution complex since, but don't let that turn you off. The system is not well known, but deserves to be.

urbanlife
12-28-2008, 01:17 AM
urbanlife, if you are interested in how the public can capture ground rents instead of speculators, I'd suggest reading the works of Henry George and studying an idea known as the land value tax. George and his followers made overly utopian claims for their system IMO, and have been nursing a persecution complex since, but don't let that turn you off. The system is not well known, but deserves to be.

I will look into that, I have an interest with it from more of a spectator point of view, but it is always interesting to see what others can come up with...though I am always cautious when someone uses the word utopian.

LMich
12-28-2008, 05:57 AM
BTW, it's not just that these work because houses are being built on the land. As is it was shown in an article, it simply doesn't make since in cities like Flint to add housing, everywhere. It says that Kildee also sells parcels next to existing homes for folks that want a larger lot meaning that you take out of circulation a house and parcel that would otherwise be a dangerous, dilapidated structure or an overgrown weed lot. Yes, land banks are good for every city, but particularly for a city that needs to be "right-sized".

ardecila
12-28-2008, 07:14 AM
^^ The sidelot thing allows the homes in urban areas to sit on a larger area of land, giving them a larger yard and making them more competitive with suburban areas - only the houses have much more character and beauty.

It does lower the potential density of the neighborhood, but who cares? Clearly, the area is not going to redevelop itself at the densities that it once held. If a healthy, lower-density neighborhood can be carved out of a dilapidated older neighborhood, I see no problem. (You'll note that this rationale is different from that of the clear-cut Modernists, who blamed the buildings themselves, along with the density, for the problems in urban slums and consequently removed everything). This does, of course, present problems with infrastructure, since the utility lines are designed for much higher usage than they would get after a density reduction.

LMich
12-28-2008, 07:24 AM
Yes, it definitely lowers the housing density, but gets rid of the bigger problem of unsafe and unsightly properties in areas of the city that aren't going to see growth for decades to come, most likely. Again, land banks are a good tool in helping downsizing shrinking cities. And, technically, it doesn't combine lots, so it's really not increasing lot size or reducing potential density. That means in the decades later when the city picks back up, they can always be sold off.

arenn
12-28-2008, 02:36 PM
LMich, I agree. Density is a red herring in a place like Flint. It already has an infrastructure built out for far more people than it has. Since the land banks are largely inner city, and there's low to negative population growth, the sprawl type problem, if you view it as such, just isn't there. If Flint is like many other similar generation Midwest cities, its inner city is full of cheaply constructed homes that are too small with obsolete designs. Replacing these with new homes built with modern floor plans and sizes, on larger lots, makes real sense. I don't think anyone is moving to Flint to live in a hip, urban, walkable neighborhood. Improving safety, the physical appearance of the city, and providing a higher quality of life for its residents likely takes precedence in the local priority list.

LMich
12-29-2008, 03:50 AM
I don't think anyone is moving to Flint to live in a hip, urban, walkable neighborhood.

That's really not true, at all. The only people still moving to Flint, like most any back-to-the-city movement in this region, are moving to the city specifically for urban, walkable neighborhoods. The difference is that most folks are moving back to multi-family buildings and former office/retail buildings-turned residential buildings in the inner-city. Land banks largely take care of what has now become a rather useless suplus of single-family homes outside of the core city.

If you ask me, one of Flint's greatest "urban redevelopment" failures, in the last decade, was the development of the University Park Estates which was essentially the act of trying to bring the suburbs to the city. The suburban-styled, single-family homes sat on 155 huge lots (relative to the old lots) in the middle of the city.

http://www.roweincorp.com/focusweb/UniversityPark/images/Plan1.gif

http://www.roweincorp.com/focusweb/UniversityPark/images/large-house_coll.jpg

While it has been like pulling teeth trying to sell the "suburbs in the city" type of development, urban lofts and apartments are selling and leasing at a much more brisk pace for obvious reasons.

Flint's redevelopment, at least, isn't much different than any other cities besides the slower pace to it. So, please don't read the land banks plans to mean that the city has given up on urban redevelopment. The difference is that the private sector has been left to do that work. The land bank is all about single-family homes, and that means saving those homes in stable neighborhoods, and getting rid of those where resources least need to be.

I'd really like to here Rob weigh in on this, more, as he's in charge of a large Flint redevelopment thread in the Midwest subforum. Perhaps, you'd like to check it out.

robk1982
12-29-2008, 12:32 PM
Well, LMich, there's not much that I can really add beyond what you've said. To the average out-of-towner who is just driving around Flint (like I've done on several occasions), it won't appear that the Land Bank has done much of anything. Most of the neighborhoods, especially on the north side of Flint where the abadonment is the worst, still look pretty bad. However, I do believe that what Kildee is doing will pay off in the end. Getting rid of the worst abandonment is a good first step.

Like you said, there is still a demand for people moving to Flint. I read yesterday that UM-Flint has a wait list of nearly 200 students for its new dorm. The fact that the Durant is currently being renovated, in this economy, is simply mindblowing. They've almost run out of downtown buildings to renovate, but the demand for housing is not going down. I think Carraige town is poised for a major comeback, and the Land Bank will be a major player in that (the Stone Street development was an unfortunate failure due to the Native American burial ground).


For those who aren't familiar with Flint, here is a picture of the Durant Hotel. It's been abandoned for 35 years, and is currently being turned into 93 apartments and retail space, due in large part (solely?) to the Land Bank aquiring the building.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3218/3101220053_a49f5b659f.jpg?v=0

robk1982
12-29-2008, 12:43 PM
A few more points:

1) I don't think of University Park Estates as a failure. I understand the opposition to bringing suburban-type housing into the inner city, but it really proved that people wanted to live downtown. In my opinion, it was the catalyst for everything that is happening right now.

2) arenn's statement:
I don't think anyone is moving to Flint to live in a hip, urban, walkable neighborhood.

is, as LMich pointed out, flat out wrong.

DeBaliviere
12-29-2008, 07:55 PM
I remember in "Roger and Me" the Hyatt hotel that was supposed to save Flint. It's too bad they didn't just renovate the Durant instead.

robk1982
12-29-2008, 09:16 PM
Now that the Mott Foundation is negotiating to buy the former Hyatt, in a couple short years (or less), both buildings may be up and running again.

arenn
12-30-2008, 03:37 AM
LMich, that development reminds me of the Renaissance Place condos in downtown Indianapolis - suburban style condo buildings on windy streets right in the downtown area. Crazy.

LMich
12-30-2008, 04:04 AM
A few more points:

1) I don't think of University Park Estates as a failure. I understand the opposition to bringing suburban-type housing into the inner city, but it really proved that people wanted to live downtown. In my opinion, it was the catalyst for everything that is happening right now.

How many have been built, and how many are filled? Even beyond that, it was a totally urban planning failure. It didn't just bring suburban-styled homes to the city, but it literally took out the existing urban street grid and brought the winding streets of the townships in the the very center of Flint.

Quite frankly, it didn't need to be to get people to see that living downtown was an option. Again, the truly genuine projects just speak to the fact of how poorly University Estates was planned and executed. It didn't just disrespect the historic architecture of the city which would have been bad enough, but completely turned its back on the urban street grid.

I guess my point is that we're not going to get the street grid or the small lots back from something like University Estates in my lifetime and that's really a shame considering how successful truly urban living has turned out in downtown Flint. I actually do remember what was there before they tore the stores down along Saginaw, and while it wasn't pretty, the very least they could have done was kept the existing street grids and lot sizes and built these suburban-styled messes on the existing lots and streets.

We've got a very similar type of development in Lansing called "East Village", the differences being that it didn't take out any existing streets, and includes many multi-family condo buildings, but it was also built not to directly connect with the existing street system.

urbanlife
12-30-2008, 04:30 AM
How many have been built, and how many are filled? Even beyond that, it was a totally urban planning failure. It didn't just bring suburban-styled homes to the city, but it literally took out the existing urban street grid and brought the winding streets of the townships in the the very center of Flint.

Quite frankly, it didn't need to be to get people to see that living downtown was an option. Again, the truly genuine projects just speak to the fact of how poorly University Estates was planned and executed. It didn't just disrespect the historic architecture of the city which would have been bad enough, but completely turned its back on the urban street grid.

I guess my point is that we're not going to get the street grid or the small lots back from something like University Estates in my lifetime and that's really a shame considering how successful truly urban living has turned out in downtown Flint. I actually do remember what was there before they tore the stores down along Saginaw, and while it wasn't pretty, the very least they could have done was kept the existing street grids and lot sizes and built these suburban-styled messes on the existing lots and streets.

We've got a very similar type of development in Lansing called "East Village", the differences being that it didn't take out any existing streets, and includes many multi-family condo buildings, but it was also built not to directly connect with the existing street system.

I would have to disagree about the street grid issue, looking at the map, this project doesnt do that much damage to the overall street grid of the city because of its proximity to the industrial area and river. Plus the apartment complex to the south looks like it does more damage to the street grid because of its proximity to downtown.

But here is the thing I am really curious with this development...I can understand the not liking the suburban look of these houses cause they look like they belong in the suburbs, but what I am curious is what does the current standing historical content of the inner neighborhoods in Flint look like? I know of a development in Portsmouth, VA that also did something like this, but their house models were based off of a more colonial look.

LMich
12-30-2008, 05:15 AM
But here is the thing I am really curious with this development...I can understand the not liking the suburban look of these houses cause they look like they belong in the suburbs, but what I am curious is what does the current standing historical content of the inner neighborhoods in Flint look like? I know of a development in Portsmouth, VA that also did something like this, but their house models were based off of a more colonial look.

Not like University Estates. You've been to Michigan. You know what older, inner-city, single-family homes look like. Do you really want pictures?

BTW, Flint's inner-city street grid is easily the tightest/most compact of any comparable in Michigan particularly in its north side, more uniform and tight than Lansing, Grand Rapids, or anywhere else. It easily matches up with Hamtramck. The area you reference to the south was built decades ago, so you'd imagine it to be windy. That's still when they were experimenting. Breaking up the street grid has been known for a long time, now, to work against walkability. The Estates doesn't have an excuse.

That said, this experiment wasn't so large as to effect too much, but I will not call it an overall success, particularly when you have something like Rosewood Riverside that's not too much older than the Estates, which while not very urban or good-looking, themselves, at least attempted some kind of density and walkability.

http://www.whatsupdowntown.com/images/rswd_twnhms/rosewood.jpg
What's Up Downtown? Flint (http://www.whatsupdowntown.com/articles/cnstructn_proj/0023.htm)

robk1982
12-30-2008, 01:43 PM
That said, this experiment wasn't so large as to effect too much, but I will not call it an overall success, particularly when you have something like Rosewood Riverside that's not too much older than the Estates, which while not very urban or good-looking, themselves, at least attempted some kind of density and walkability.

The Estates was started in 2001, and Rosedale was started in 2004 according to whatsupdowntown.com . I believe somewhere around 100 units were built in University Estates, and almost all of them were sold. The developers website (http://www.crosswindsus.com/michigan/flint_university_park_estates/index.html) shows only 1 unit remaining, but I don't know if that is up-to-date. When I went on the What's Up Downtown tour last fall, they mentioned something similar to that and there were very few "for sale" signs up.

I understand your point of view, LMich. However, University Estates brought ~100 new homes to a city that hadn't had any housing development on this scale for 30 years. Given Flint's leadership at the time, it's amazing that anything got built. At least now we have Uptown and The Land Bank that do understand the importance of keeping the urban fabric of a city intact. The cancelled Stone Street development was a good example of that.

LMich
01-03-2009, 08:25 AM
Speaking of shrinking the city, Dale Kildee, and the land banks, check this out:



Flint plans to double number of demolitions in 2009; 500 abandoned homes to be knocked down (http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2009/01/flint_plans_to_double_number_o.html)

by Joe Lawlor | The Flint Journal | Friday January 02, 2009, 12:52 AM

FLINT, Michigan -- The city plans to knock down 500 houses in 2009, using additional federal funding to double the number of demolitions.

The city will use $1 million in federal block grant money to fund the additional demolitions. Coupled with state matching money and other funds, the city would have about $2.4 million for demolitions in 2009.

The city completed about 250 demolitions last year, and has not had an extensive demolitions program for a few years.

John Carpenter, the city's transportation director, said he hopes to target three neighborhoods for the bulk of the demolitions, one near downtown and two on the city's north side.

It sounds good to Alice Knox, who lives off of Dupont Street near two houses that have been vacant for years.

"We've been suffering from these empty houses, and absolutely nothing has been done about it for a long time," Knox said.

And resident Nathan Ex said something needs to be done to shore up his neighborhood near downtown.

"It's just all going to hell," Ex said.

There are thousands of vacant properties across the city, Carpenter said. The city hopes the demolitions will be more effective by targeting a few neighborhoods, so that the progress in neighborhoods is more visible than it would be by spreading it out over the city.

"You don't want to put new apples in the bucket without throwing out all the rotten ones first," Carpenter said.

The block grant money is available for demolitions because the city received $4.2 million from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development for housing programs that block grant money typically funds. The HUD money is being doled out to communities this year to help jump start the nation's struggling housing market.

The proposal to use block grant money for demolitions needs City Council approval, but council members have expressed support for more demolitions.

To reach the 500 demolitions goal, the city would also need the Genesee County Land Bank to double its funding, from 75 land bank houses to 150 houses demolished. For each house demolished, the land bank pays for 50 percent of the cost to demolish, while the city chips in the rest.

Dan Kildee, the Genesee County treasurer who heads up the land bank, said the land bank is willing to help.

"If the city has changed its mind and is making demolitions a higher priority, we would be willing to help them with that," Kildee said. "This was a smart thing for them to do."

Councilman Sheldon Neeley suggested that after homes are demolished that perhaps the land could be used for urban agriculture initiatives.

"The demolitions are needed, but we have to figure out what to do with all of this extra land. We have to have a plan," Neeley said.

And, the targeted neighborhoods:


Targeted neighborhoods

Flint hopes to double its demolitions in 2009 -- razing about 500. The city plans to target the following neighborhoods for increased demolitions in 2009.

• Neighborhoods near Forest Park, off of King Avenue.

• The University Avenue corridor, including neighborhoods near Hurley Medical Center, Kettering University and Ballenger Park.

• Neighborhoods south of Carpenter Avenue near Home Avenue, Dupont Street and Saginaw Road.

robk1982
01-03-2009, 08:12 PM
It sounds like a good plan - much better than tearing down a house here and a house there. 2009 is shaping up to be a great year in Flint. Hopefully this will be the year the city can finally take over Genesee Towers and tear that thing down.

DeBaliviere
01-06-2009, 07:37 PM
Are these houses at all architecturally significant?

DetroitMan
03-20-2009, 06:24 PM
I'm glad to see that someone in Flint is considering this idea.

Land Bank Chairman Dan Kildee wants more discussion about shrinking Flint
by Ron Fonger | The Flint Journal
Friday March 20, 2009, 5:18 AM
FLINT, Michigan -- The idea of a smaller Flint might not be so far-fetched after all.

Genesee County Land Bank Chairman Daniel Kildee, whose organization owns more parcels of Flint property than anyone, says the idea of shrinking the city needs to be talked about more and could be exactly what's needed here.

Kildee, also the county treasurer, is the strongest voice yet in suggesting it makes sense to begin turning sections of blighted neighborhoods into vast green spaces, saving the city's resources.

Just last week, temporary Mayor Michael Brown also said property abandonment has become so bad in Flint that some in government are talking about shutting down whole sections of the city to better serve neighborhoods that have a stronger chance to survive.

A spokesman for Brown later said it was just an off-the-cuff remark and that Brown was speaking hypothetically. But Kildee said he wants to explore the idea more.

"I am pretty well sold on this, but the challenge is to do this openly --Â with participation of the citizens," Kildee said. "Really, the question is whether the city is going to let this happen in the most destructive manner or the most constructive."

The Land Bank chairman said he's prepared to promote talk about shrinking Flint by helping to bring in an expert on the subject, like Youngstown, Ohio, Mayor Jay Williams.

In Youngstown, the city is demolishing homes but also monitoring neighborhoods that have largely been abandoned, and is offering up to $50,000 in grants for remaining homeowners to relocate, according to news reports.

By shrinking a city, officials have fewer streets to pave, neighborhoods to police, and fire hydrants to maintain.

Flint's population has dropped from a high of nearly 200,000 in the 1960s to an estimated 120,000 in 2003. A 2007 government study projected the city will lose another 10 percent of its population by 2035.

Brown, who made his comments in response to a question, said he's willing to listen to Williams and others who have new ideas for balancing expenses and revenues in a city designed for many more people than it now has.

"We expanded as a city (decades ago, and now) we're at 100,000 people and probably headed south of that," he said.

Brown said what the city and county need most is an overall master plan that spells out more clearly, "how we fit into the region."

Kildee said any shift toward shrinking the city should be incremental and no one should be forced to leave their home.

That's of interest to longtime Flint residents like Tommie Underwood, 75, who lives near Dewey Park and believes the condition of her neighborhood is getting worse.

Underwood would rather see her neighborhood improve than leave her home.

"Ten years ago it was much better than it is now," Underwood said. "I don't want to leave my house but I do want (things) to be cleaned up.

"There are two or three houses on my street kept up pretty good, but most of the block don't give you a good impression," she said.

The Land Bank has been taking properties out of circulation for several years, holding it in trust for future use. The properties end up in the agency's inventory after owners fail to pay property taxes.

The Land Bank now owns about 4,000 properties, the vast majority of them in Flint.

Officials have talked about an overall "greening strategy" in the past and promoted urban farms and community gardens.

The Flint Journal could not reach Williams for comment Thursday, but Kildee said the mayor ran for office on the platform of shrinking the city to make it smaller but also stronger and better.

"It's a recent development but it's not an odd or crazy idea at all," he said. "It's very much part of the current conversation for (helping) older, industrialized cities."
Information from the Associated Press is included in this report.
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2009/03/land_bank_chairman_dan_kildee.html

brian_b
03-20-2009, 07:22 PM
Reverting large swaths of a shrinking city as permanent green space could pay huge dividends many years from now. I think it's an idea worth exploring.

Rudyard
03-21-2009, 09:17 PM
Flint looked so dangerous in Bowling for Columbine.:banana:



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