[sgera]

Anyone know when the undercounts will be factored into Stats Canada's CMA population data? I though it was supposed to be this last fall?

[vid]

Let's just pretend it won't happen at all. They're still basing their annual updates on 2001 data.

[ssiguy]

Ya, I haven't seen an update since April and I thought there was to be an update in fall.

[mylesmalley]

Let's just pretend it won't happen at all. They're still basing their annual updates on 2001 data.

You mean, based on the annual growth rate between the 2001 and 2006 censuses?

[vid]

Judging by the numbers it's either based on the annual growth rate between the 1996 and 2001 census, or they have completely disregarded the 2006 census and continued counting from 2001 data with 2006 rates. The gap between the estimates 2006 numbers and the actual 2006 numbers for some CMAs is too great for them to be related.

[Dirt_Devil]

CMAs population estimates for 2008 will be released in April 2009 and will be based on the 2006 census boundaries. As for the 2007 estimates, 2001 boundaries were still used so we could have a few surprise. I know that Sherbrooke Qc, for example, has been subject to a change in its boundaries.

[harls]

I'm still waiting for the province (?) to change Ottawa's city population sign on the 417 at the eastern city limit. It still has the 2001 figure, I believe.

[mmmatt]

CMAs population estimates for 2008 will be released in April 2009 and will be based on the 2006 census boundaries. As for the 2007 estimates, 2001 boundaries were still used so we could have a few surprise. I know that Sherbrooke Qc, for example, has been subject to a change in its boundaries.

Really?! That's awesome! I didn't think we "newbies" would be included until after the next census.

[sgera]

hey harls...i noticed the same thing on the 416 into Ottawa....what's funny is that the sign coming into Ottawa from Gatineau on the Mcdonald Cartier Bridge was updated a while back....I have a feeling the city is waiting for the new estimates from Stats Can to factor in the undercounts since there is such a huge difference between the city of Ottawa's estimates of their population and the Stat Canada estimate....i know that the city was working to resolve this difference (which i believe is now over >30k people)

There is no doubt that Stat Canada's numbers on metro population for Ottawa-Gatineau are far too low based on the housing start numbers and employment growth over the last five years.....

[ssiguy]

For Alberta you can always go to www.altapop.ca for their reports. Albertan cities/town do a yearly census. Go to news and updates

[harls]

CMAs population estimates for 2008 will be released in April 2009 and will be based on the 2006 census boundaries.

So did these estimates ever get released? I tried looking for them on Statscan's extremely un-userfriendly website, and had no luck.

[jmt18325]

I think the webiste is easy for statisticians to read...but I certainly have a hard time.

[Kevin_foster]

Not sure if this is what you are looking for...

but you can search community profiles and it gives populations for cmas based on 2006 census data.. example, Edmonton:

http://www12.statcan.ca/census-recensement/2006/dp-pd/prof/92-591/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CMA&Code1=835__&Geo2=PR&Code2=48&Data=Count&SearchText=Edmonton&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=48&B1=All&Custom=

[flar]

If I recall correctly the estimates are complete but the tables won't be available till sometime this summer, don't know when.

[1ajs]

they will have it ready just intime for the new census gee at the rate they are going eh

[TOBoy]

Not yet

http://www40.statcan.gc.ca/l01/cst01/demo05a-eng.htm

[MolsonExport]

I'm still waiting for the province (?) to change Ottawa's city population sign on the 417 at the eastern city limit. It still has the 2001 figure, I believe.

What I find funny is the city limit signs for the Western and Southern approaches. You see the sign, think "I am here" and then, 20 more minutes of trees.

[vid]

It's like that in lots of Ontario cities. The best ones are those around Thunder Bay that say "Welcome to Townname" and you never actually get to a town, because it just announces the boundary of a rural township. It's surreal.

[Acajack]

It's like that in lots of Ontario cities. The best ones are those around Thunder Bay that say "Welcome to Townname" and you never actually get to a town, because it just announces the boundary of a rural township. It's surreal.

On the “Welcome to Timmins” sign at the city boundary it actually also says: “City Centre - 50 km” or something like that.

[Dirt_Devil]

So did these estimates ever get released? I tried looking for them on Statscan's extremely un-userfriendly website, and had no luck.

I sent StatCan a new email and they replied estimates would be available on June 5th. Let's see

[harls]

Cool! Thanks.

[jmt18325]

Funny that they don't have this done but they do have the provincial numbers done.

[Dmajackson]

Well it doesn't take an estimate to know what is happening in Nova Scotia;

The province is getting smaller due to increased age, low brith rate ect, and inter-provincial migration.

HRM is getting larger due to the province neglecting the rural areas and forcing people to move into the city.

But on the topic of signs I've always laughed at the Halifax signs. There's one on the Bi-Hi out near Enfield with a sketch of the city but the sign's located twenty some odd minutes from the first apartment building on Parkland Dr (start of the city). :haha:

What I find even funnier is we don't put populations on the signs instead we put "ads" about what insignificant fact the place is known for (ie Truro is the "Wood Sculpture Capital of Canada").

[vid]

What I want to see is if they predict Thunder Bay going down or up. The previous census had the population going down, but we've reached a point where the white population is relatively stable with slight decline more than cancelled out by very high growth among the aboriginal population. I think the estimates on the 2001 census were ignoring that aspect of our demographics as it wasn't as obvious or didn't play as big a role then.

[Mille Sabords]

For the Big 6: 2008 post-censal estimates, CMA based on 2006 Census boundaries:

Toronto 5,531,263
Montréal 3,750,540
Vancouver 2,271,224
Ottawa-Gatineau 1,198,668
Calgary 1,182,446
Edmonton 1,124,163


I know those are following 2006 boundaries, but... mostly those haven't changed, or not by much. You look at the previous post-censal estimates and, what do we see?

- The estimates for Toronto and Vancouver have been restated DOWN. Funny, Vancouver keeps shafting the Tories every election and Toronto is a big guzzler of funds for infrstructure. And infrastructure funding is based on population.

- Estimates for Ottawa, Calgary and Edmonton have been restated UP. Three solid Tory towns. Pat-pat boys. Maybe a little more sauce for you.

- Estimates for Montreal have also been restated UP. Let's see if a little more sauce can win back some Quebec seats. Funny because, given the economy, etc., who'd've thunk that Montreal was growing faster?

[harls]

Thanks Mille...Did you have to pay or do you get the info free though work?

When I checked out their website, it wanted me to pony up some cash.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/090605/dq090605d-eng.htm

[Presswood]

Do you have the estimates for smaller cities such as Québec , Winnipeg and Hamilton ? :)

[flar]

I can't believe they make you pay for that.

I can't get it free through my university or federal government affiliations.

[Mille Sabords]

I got these through work and they are payable data, so I only have access to those - sorry Presswood. I think eventually they do end up on the StatCan site as free stats, though.

[Rusty van Reddick]

I know those are following 2006 boundaries, but... mostly those haven't changed, or not by much. You look at the previous post-censal estimates and, what do we see?

- The estimates for Toronto and Vancouver have been restated DOWN. Funny, Vancouver keeps shafting the Tories every election and Toronto is a big guzzler of funds for infrstructure. And infrastructure funding is based on population.

- Estimates for Ottawa, Calgary and Edmonton have been restated UP. Three solid Tory towns. Pat-pat boys. Maybe a little more sauce for you.

- Estimates for Montreal have also been restated UP. Let's see if a little more sauce can win back some Quebec seats. Funny because, given the economy, etc., who'd've thunk that Montreal was growing faster?

You're paranoid. But thanks for the stats. Now take your meds.

[Coldrsx]

amazing how close these 3 are

Ottawa-Gatineau 1,198,668
Calgary 1,182,446
Edmonton 1,124,163

also interesting for I find Edm/Ott to be very similar in feeling but calgary quite different with it being more 'big city' and edm/ott to be smaller cities that feel more in tune with its people. No slag to either, just observations.

[wild wild west]

/\Yup.

I find Ottawa and Edmonton do have a very similar, "comfortable" feel to them.

Mille Sabords: I'm assuming you're just joking around. But in case you're not, I'd point out that if the conspiracy theory were true, the Tories would if anything be trying to understate the numbers for Montreal - basically a lost cause for them where the Liberals are the federalist alternative and the Tories get shut out, even in the suburbs, every time (and polls seem to indicate a further erosion of Tory support in Quebec, so it ain't getting better). Comparatively TO is good to get the Tories at least some 905 seats, and the Tories also have decent support in the Vancouver suburbs.

[ErickMontreal]

Estimates of population by census metropolitan areas
CANSIM - Results : Table 051-0046

Moncton, New Brunswick [13305]; Both sexes; All ages (persons)

:: Annual ::

2006 :: 129,514

2007 :: 130,571

2008 :: 132,160

Source: Statistics Canada, CANSIM table 051-0046

Moncton is since 2005, the largest CMA in New-Brunswick.

[ue]

woot, over 1.1 million for us! but i think cold is right. they're so close in pop, one could easily take over the other, then the next day switch. will be some competition for calgary to get bigger than ottawa.

[vid]

The big six, and Moncton. Now we know!

[MonctonRad]

:previous:

Moncton.......The fastest growing city east of Toronto. :D

[raggedy13]

For the Big 6: 2008 post-censal estimates, CMA based on 2006 Census boundaries:

Toronto 5,531,263
Montréal 3,750,540
Vancouver 2,271,224
Ottawa-Gatineau 1,198,668
Calgary 1,182,446
Edmonton 1,124,163

Interesting... that is the exact same number that BC Stats has had for Vancouver for awhile now for free (and they said they get some of their info from Statscan):

http://www.bcstats.gov.bc.ca/DATA/pop/pop/dynamic/PopulationStatistics/Query.asp?category=Census&type=SR&topic=Projections&agegrouptype=Standard&subtype=&region=933&year=1986&year=1987&year=1988&year=1989&year=1990&year=1991&year=1992&year=1993&year=1994&year=1995&year=1996&year=1997&year=1998&year=1999&year=2000&year=2001&year=2002&year=2003&year=2004&year=2005&year=2006&year=2007&year=2008&year=2009&year=2010&year=2011&year=2012&year=2013&year=2014&year=2015&year=2016&year=2017&year=2018&year=2019&year=2020&year=2021&year=2022&year=2023&year=2024&year=2025&year=2026&year=2027&year=2028&year=2029&year=2030&year=2031&year=2032&year=2033&year=2034&year=2035&year=2036&agegroup=totals&gender=t&output=browser&rowsperpage=all

[Dirt_Devil]

Do you have the estimates for smaller cities such as Québec , Winnipeg and Hamilton ? :)


Quebec City's estimate is 738 919 for 2008 compared to 730 416 in 2007.

Link: http://www.stat.gouv.qc.ca/donstat/societe/demographie/dons_regnl/regional/rmr_2006-2008.htm

Statcan says their Quebec estimates are based on the Institut de la Statistique du Québec. The numbers I gave you are the Institut's estimation. Glad to see some decent growth. I wonder what Winnipeg and Hamilton numbers are.

[ue]

Why is Québec so stagnant?

[flar]

Quebec is actually doing pretty well, it's been silently outpacing Hamilton and Winnipeg in recent years.

[Nicko999]

Why is Québec so stagnant?

As flar said, Quebec City is growing faster than Hamilton and Winnipeg.

[ue]

yeah i know, i thought the time difference between the two dates were larger, then i realized it was just 1 year and +08,000 is pretty good. probably similar to Ed.

[ssiguy]

I think Quebec is doing quite well as is booming Winnipeg but Hamilton is stagnating. Eventhough it has recently been growing by about 7,000/year that is VERY deceptive. Remember Burlington is part of the Hamilton CMA and most of the population growth is in Burlington due to the overflow of people from Toronto CMA.

BTW, I thought it was me not being able to retrieve the stats, I can't believe they want you to pay for it. There is one way of finding out about your CMAs generally popgrowth and that is thru the EI Metro reports which state the number of increase/decrease in the labour force over the last year/month. It only counts people available for employment but is a good source as is the the pure number of potential employable people not the portion in the labour force which would vary with unemployment levels.

[ue]

7,000/yr is pretty good. "Doing quite well" Québec is only 1,000more/year. Edmonton is similar.

[flar]

I think Quebec is doing quite well as is booming Winnipeg but Hamilton is stagnating. Eventhough it has recently been growing by about 7,000/year that is VERY deceptive. Remember Burlington is part of the Hamilton CMA and most of the population growth is in Burlington due to the overflow of people from Toronto CMA.


You don't seem to have a full understanding of how the Hamilton region worksl. Only a minority of people from Hamilton/Burlington work in Toronto compared to the those who work in the Burlington/Oakville area (QEW corridor, which doesn't all get included in Hamilton employment numbers). The fastest growing areas in the Hamilton CMA are Waterdown and Stoney Creek. Burlington is "full" --hemmed in by the escarpment and greenbelt--and is basically down to infill. It is overflow to some extent, but not really overflow from Toronto. These people can live in Hamilton and still only have 20 minute commutes. Ancaster and the South Mountain are probably growing faster than Burlington now too.

[YUNEMUS]

Surprising thing is Montreal's population is decreasing..
Montréal
2006: 1 873 589
2007: 1 881 110
2008: 1 877 693

Administrative Regions
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6743/administrativeregionsy.jpg


Source:http://www.stat.gouv.qc.ca/donstat/societe/demographie/dons_regnl/regional/index_an.htm

[SteelTown]

In just the last few weeks Hamilton's population increased 2000 from Czech Republic refugees.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/toronto/archive/2009/06/05/southern-ontario-shelters-swamped-by-roma-refugee-claimants.aspx

[eternallyme]

For the Big 6: 2008 post-censal estimates, CMA based on 2006 Census boundaries:

Toronto 5,531,263
Montréal 3,750,540
Vancouver 2,271,224
Ottawa-Gatineau 1,198,668
Calgary 1,182,446
Edmonton 1,124,163


I know those are following 2006 boundaries, but... mostly those haven't changed, or not by much. You look at the previous post-censal estimates and, what do we see?

- The estimates for Toronto and Vancouver have been restated DOWN. Funny, Vancouver keeps shafting the Tories every election and Toronto is a big guzzler of funds for infrstructure. And infrastructure funding is based on population.

- Estimates for Ottawa, Calgary and Edmonton have been restated UP. Three solid Tory towns. Pat-pat boys. Maybe a little more sauce for you.

- Estimates for Montreal have also been restated UP. Let's see if a little more sauce can win back some Quebec seats. Funny because, given the economy, etc., who'd've thunk that Montreal was growing faster?

In the cases of Ottawa and Calgary at least, their real metropolitan populations are higher than the official CMA population, as for some reason many adjacent areas are not considered part of the CMA's.

Ottawa-Gatineau: should be around 1,280,000
(I defined it by Ottawa, Gatineau, municipalities bordering Ottawa - and a couple others nearby or surrounded within them - in Ontario, municipalities within Les Collines-de-l'Outaouais and Papineau Counties in Quebec)

Calgary: should be around 1,260,000
(I used the City of Calgary and all municipalities enclosed within Foothills and Rocky View, plus Strathmore - I did not include the area around Banff and Canmore though)

Edmonton: should be around 1,100,000
(Since it covers a much larger area than the Calgary and Ottawa CMA's, I stuck with StatsCan's definition)

[Canadian Mind]

Calgary: should be around 1,260,000
(I used the City of Calgary and all municipalities enclosed within Foothills and Rocky View, plus Strathmore - I did not include the area around Banff and Canmore though)

If you are gonna spread that far out than Vancouvers pop is in the 2.5 million range, 3.3 million if you include vancouver island.

[eternallyme]

If you are gonna spread that far out than Vancouvers pop is in the 2.5 million range, 3.3 million if you include vancouver island.

Not the island, but it could be considered to include the middle Fraser Valley (such as Abbotsford).

[trueviking]

every city has debatable definitions of CMA....you cant change one without changing all of them...so we might as well just live with it and not enter into a pointless debate about which far flung towns should or should not be included.

as an example...winnipeg, being the only city in the province has a huge number of surrounding towns and bedroom communities...it seems totally arbitrary which are included and which are not....immediatly north of the city, the west side of the red river (top) is not included, with a population of at least 20 000, yet the east side (bottom) is included all the way to lake winnipeg, but almost nobody lives there....it is very strange, yet every city seems to have these anomolies.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6161/37944121.jpg (http://img38.imageshack.us/my.php?image=37944121.jpg)

[vid]

Thunder Bay's CMA leaves out over 4,000 people because they live in unincorporated land. Since they're not incorporated, they can't be included. Someone who lives just north of the city limits technically isn't in the CMA, even though they probably receive city services. :crazy:

At least we don't do the American thing and count only census divisions. That would be totally useless.

[ue]

Surprising thing is Montreal's population is decreasing..
Montréal
2006: 1 873 589
2007: 1 881 110
2008: 1 877 693

Administrative Regions
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6743/administrativeregionsy.jpg


Source:http://www.stat.gouv.qc.ca/donstat/societe/demographie/dons_regnl/regional/index_an.htm

Woah! Good catch. I wonder why it's decreasing, I mean I don't expect MTL to boom, but decreasing?
In the cases of Ottawa and Calgary at least, their real metropolitan populations are higher than the official CMA population, as for some reason many adjacent areas are not considered part of the CMA's.

Ottawa-Gatineau: should be around 1,280,000
(I defined it by Ottawa, Gatineau, municipalities bordering Ottawa - and a couple others nearby or surrounded within them - in Ontario, municipalities within Les Collines-de-l'Outaouais and Papineau Counties in Quebec)

Calgary: should be around 1,260,000
(I used the City of Calgary and all municipalities enclosed within Foothills and Rocky View, plus Strathmore - I did not include the area around Banff and Canmore though)

Edmonton: should be around 1,100,000
(Since it covers a much larger area than the Calgary and Ottawa CMA's, I stuck with StatsCan's definition)

Actually the Edm one would be inbetween the original 2008 est which was 1,102,000 and this new one. So in essence we should be between 1.1 and 1.13 million.

[SmileyBoy]

Can somebody PLEASE post the 2008 population of Winnipeg's CMA??? Thanks.

[Dirt_Devil]

Woah! Good catch. I wonder why it's decreasing, I mean I don't expect MTL to boom, but decreasing?

People are leaving the island of MTL for suburbs...

[vid]

Is it people leaving the island in general, or is it island suburbs losing population to downtown and the outer suburbs?

[SmileyBoy]

ANYONE have the number for Winnipeg?? I'm dying to know!!!:(

[1ajs]

or a bunch of university students graduated

[le calmar]

In Montreal people move from the island to the suburbs once they get the cash to buy a house. The island of Montreal is losing its population to Laval and Longueuil.

I always wondered why St-Jean-sur-Richelieu wasn't included in the CMA since the city is just 15 minutes down highway 10 from downtown, while St-Jérôme is part of the CMA, and it takes 45 minutes to go there. St-Jean in the CMA would add 90 000 inhabitants, the 4 millions mark would be closer than ever!

[SmileyBoy]

Asking again: Anyone have the 2008 population for Winnipeg?? Care to share it??

[Rumors]

In Montreal people move from the island to the suburbs once they get the cash to buy a house. The island of Montreal is losing its population to Laval and Longueuil.

I always wondered why St-Jean-sur-Richelieu wasn't included in the CMA since the city is just 15 minutes down highway 10 from downtown, while St-Jérôme is part of the CMA, and it takes 45 minutes to go there. St-Jean in the CMA would add 90 000 inhabitants, the 4 millions mark would be closer than ever!

Yes everyone is moving to 450. :yes:

[habfanman]

In Montreal people move from the island to the suburbs once they get the cash to buy a house. The island of Montreal is losing its population to Laval and Longueuil.

I always wondered why St-Jean-sur-Richelieu wasn't included in the CMA since the city is just 15 minutes down highway 10 from downtown, while St-Jérôme is part of the CMA, and it takes 45 minutes to go there. St-Jean in the CMA would add 90 000 inhabitants, the 4 millions mark would be closer than ever!

le calmar, the CMA gained 30,000 last year and those Island numbers don't include the de-merged arrondissements (that has to end, what a f-ed up system!). I'd imagine that the West Island, Côte-St-Luc etc. continue to grow at a steady rate, although not anything approaching that of Laval or the South Shore. Also, the small 'p' denotes 'donnée provisoire', so it isn't an accurate total... yet.

Still, cause for concern. BTW, have you seen the pubs in the metro "Comme 2e voiture, pensez à un duplex.", "Ne mettez pas de pont entre vous et vos enfants." etc? I think they're pretty clever, but they have to be backed up with sensible policies.

[francely57]

Surprising thing is Montreal's population is decreasing..
Montréal
2006: 1 873 589
2007: 1 881 110
2008: 1 877 693

Administrative Regions
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6743/administrativeregionsy.jpg


Source:http://www.stat.gouv.qc.ca/donstat/societe/demographie/dons_regnl/regional/index_an.htm

The island doesn't grow much.

Almost all of Greater Montreal's growth is sprawl... most of it in the outer suburbs...

[habfanman]

Yes everyone is moving to 450. :yes:

Not me! I don't know what I'd do out there. Buy a car and go to the mall I guess..

It is strange though, I think that the older parts of Laval and Longeuil have more in common with the City than do areas like the West Island and RDP. They're much closer too. If the City weren't an island, we'd probably have more of a circular 514 including parts of Laval and the South Shore and excluding the West Island, RDP, Pointe aux Trembles etc. maybe even Anjou. I mean, the West Island is soo 450! As it is, the river is just a convenient line of demarcation.

[jmt18325]

Winnipeg: 732,563

[Rumors]

Not me! I don't know what I'd do out there. Buy a car and go to the mall I guess..

It is strange though, I think that the older parts of Laval and Longeuil have more in common with the City than do areas like the West Island and RDP. They're much closer too. If the City weren't an island, we'd probably have more of a circular 514 including parts of Laval and the South Shore and excluding the West Island, RDP, Pointe aux Trembles etc. maybe even Anjou. I mean, the West Island is soo 450! As it is, the river is just a convenient line of demarcation.

Yes... and 438 will be heading off island into the 450 region, in the near future too. :yes: 514 will remain on the island though. ;)

[waterloowarrior]

Kitchener, Ontario: 482,048
London, Ontario: 485,182

not quite there (although Wilmot Township should really be in the CMA, which would add another 17k)

[swilley]

Saskatoon, Sk 250,434

[vid]

That's a 7% increase in 3 years. :tup:

[Phil McAvity]

Victoria: 383,801

I just saw that today and it surprised me since the last metro population I saw was around 330,000.

[trueviking]

Winnipeg: 732,563

wow...seriously?....that seems very high....that means we could likely hit the magic 750 000 mark by the end of next year.

winnipeg was listed at 694 000 in 2006....hard to believe that the cma has grown by close to 40 000 in 2 years...thats calgary type growth....i wonder if the boundaries changed, because it has been reported often that winnipeg was growing by about 10 000/year for the last couple of years...

closing in on quebec, who had grown quite a bit faster a few years ago...they were 21 000 larger in '06, now only 6000.

[Wishblade]

Anybody have the numbers for Halifax?

[flar]

wow...seriously?....that seems very high....that means we could likely hit the magic 750 000 mark by the end of next year.

winnipeg was listed at 694 000 in 2006....hard to believe that the cma has grown by close to 40 000 in 2 years...thats calgary type growth....i wonder if the boundaries changed, because it has been reported often that winnipeg was growing by about 10 000/year for the last couple of years...

closing in on quebec, who had grown quite a bit faster a few years ago...they were 21 000 larger in '06, now only 6000.

694000 was raw data, so some of the difference is estimated growth, some is adjustment due to undercounting. Winnipeg's boundaries were expanded for the 2006 census also and the new estimate is based on the new CMA area.

[jmt18325]

But, it's still 20,000 in growth from last year.

[Andy6]

every city has debatable definitions of CMA....you cant change one without changing all of them...so we might as well just live with it and not enter into a pointless debate about which far flung towns should or should not be included.

as an example...winnipeg, being the only city in the province has a huge number of surrounding towns and bedroom communities...it seems totally arbitrary which are included and which are not....immediatly north of the city, the west side of the red river (top) is not included, with a population of at least 20 000, yet the east side (bottom) is included all the way to lake winnipeg, but almost nobody lives there....it is very strange, yet every city seems to have these anomolies.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6161/37944121.jpg (http://img38.imageshack.us/my.php?image=37944121.jpg)

I believe that's because they don't just draw random lines around towns and villages. CMAs are generally agglomerations of basic municipal units such as townships or, in Manitoba's case, rural municipalities, and it happens that the rural municipality that includes the population centres east of the Red River stretches all the way north to Lake Winnipeg. To be comparable over time, you have to base census statistics consistently on the same fundamental geographic units.

[miketoronto]

CMA's are based on who commutes to the central city for work. If a town or suburb does have I believe over 20% of its residents commuting to the central city for work, than it is not considered part of the CMA.

It kinda makes sense. If people are not interacting with the city on a regular basis than they really are not part of the metro economy and life, if they are just stuck in their little town all the time.

That is why Burlington is not part of Toronto's CMA eventhough it is only 40 minutes away. But at the end of the day not many Burlington peopel work in Toronto.

[flar]

That is why Burlington is not part of Toronto's CMA eventhough it is only 40 minutes away. But at the end of the day not many Burlington peopel work in Toronto.

Not completely true, another rule says that once a CMA is defined, it can't be dismantled. Burlington will always be part of Hamilton CMA, and Oshawa will always be a separate CMA from Toronto because of this (even though both and possibly even Hamilton itself would become part of Toronto's CMA according to the other rules). You could keep extending this in the Golden Horseshoe, Brantford is now a CMA that could never become part of Hamilton's CMA even though their urban boundaries are only separated by about a 7 minute drive on the 403.

[miketoronto]

Interesting, I did not know that.

In some ways it makes sense these CMAs. Brantford may be only down the block, but how many times do Brantford people really go into Hamilton? Have many of them even stood at King and James?

Same for Toronto. Burlington is not that far away, but residents in Burlington do not have a daily relationship with Toronto for the most part. Infact most treat it like a vacation into the city.
If you are that disconnected from the city than why even consider it a part of your metro?

[Matrix19]

Quebec

2006 - 2008 :

Montréal ----- 3 750 542 (+ 65 497 / + 1.78%)

Québec ------ 738 919 (+14 616 / + 2.02%)

Gatineau ----- 294 310 (+ 7 257 / + 2.53%)

Sherbrooke --- 191 378 (+ 2 668 / + 1.41%)

Saguenay ---- 153 297 (+ 841 / + 0.55%)

Trois-Rivières- 144 648 (+ 2 155 / + 1.51%)

[WhipperSnapper]

CMAs are developed on commuter paterrns however, it's more of a control group for measuring growth (otherwise Toronto would have absorbed Barrie and Oshawa)

[miketoronto]

CMAs are developed on commuter paterrns however, it's more of a control group for measuring growth (otherwise Toronto would have absorbed Barrie and Oshawa)

But if you live in the GTA you can see why it makes sense that Oshawa is not part of the Toronto CMA. Oshawa/Whitby/Clarington people hardly go into Toronto and people out there centre their lives around Oshawa. My brother lives out there, and for his kids the big deal is to go to Oshawa, etc. Toronto is only a once in a while trip, while Oshawa is treated like the king of places to be.
And this is only 45 minutes from Toronto. :)

So I can see why these places are seperate CMA's. Their lifestyles revolve around totally different areas.

[WhipperSnapper]

^^What about Oakville, Newmarket, Aurora or even places like Ajax.

[flar]

I couldn't wait any longer!

Hamilton (2008): 731,521

[Kevin_foster]

Where are we getting these #'s from... looking at stats can website.. I can't find the updated figures?

[caltrane74]

But if you live in the GTA you can see why it makes sense that Oshawa is not part of the Toronto CMA. Oshawa/Whitby/Clarington people hardly go into Toronto and people out there centre their lives around Oshawa. My brother lives out there, and for his kids the big deal is to go to Oshawa, etc. Toronto is only a once in a while trip, while Oshawa is treated like the king of places to be.
And this is only 45 minutes from Toronto. :)

So I can see why these places are seperate CMA's. Their lifestyles revolve around totally different areas.


Your logic makes no sense. There is frequent GO Train Service between Toronto and Oshawa.... And the line to Barrie is getting upgraded for frequent daily service to and from Toronto.

Barrie while not a part of the Toronto CMA is clearly part of the Toronto sphere of influence..whether they like it or not!!

Of course by extention you could say the same thing about Hamilton... but I think they have another term for that as the GTHA - Greater Toronto-Hamilton Area...

Also...no one ever uses the term CMA in Toronto...they almost always use the term GTA - and in it include all of the following regions....

York
Peel
Durham
Halton
City of Toronto

For GTHA

Add in... City of Hamilton and parts of Niagara Region

[flar]

Where are we getting these #'s from... looking at stats can website.. I can't find the updated figures?

that post cost me $3.39.

[SteelTown]

I believe GTAH doesn't include any parts of the Niagara Region. To include the Niagara Region with the GTA it's called the Extended Golden Horseshoe Area.

[jmt18325]

I couldn't wait any longer!

Hamilton (2008): 731,521

Seems that Winnipeg and Hamilton have switched places.

[jeremy_haak]

I believe GTAH doesn't include any parts of the Niagara Region. To include the Niagara Region with the GTA it's called the Extended Golden Horseshoe Area.

In the last census, Statscan introduced the concept of Census Regions, but it wasn't a clearly defined unit like a CMA which has a clear set of rules to determine whether a municipality should be added to a CMA or not. For those that are interested, the rules are listed here (http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/english/census06/reference/dictionary/geo009a.cfm). They have been in effect for the past 65 years. The fundamental geographic unit is basically the municipality (census subdivision), which is useful with respect to understanding growth for policy making decisions; however, the recent trend toward amalgamation has produced some boundaries which deviate significantly from our concept of CMAs being roughly equivalent to urban areas (Ottawa, Edmonton, Halifax most notably). Urban Areas (http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/english/census06/reference/dictionary/geo049a.cfm) are defined by settlement patterns as opposed to commuting patterns and are one alternative to CMAs

[flar]

I personally like statscan's "urban area" better than CMA in most circumstances.

The GTA, GTHA, Golden Horseshoe and Greater Golden Horseshoe are provincial planning designations.

[Dmajackson]

Does anyone feel like paying $3.39 to find out Halifax's numbers? :)

[MTLskyline]

Does anyone feel like paying $3.39 to find out Halifax's numbers? :)

You live there don't you?;)

[Wishblade]

ok, I ponied up the cash and got the Halifax numbers.

2006: 384,786
2007: 388,367
2008: 394,565

[Wishblade]

:previous:

Moncton.......The fastest growing city east of Toronto. :D


Not anymore ;)

[miketoronto]

Does Montreal not have any plans to focus development on the island like Toronto does with promoting condo development in the city, etc?

Just wondering as it is a shame if the island continues to lose population to the outter areas.

[mmmatt]

Not anymore ;)

true

Halifax rate of change 2006 (estimate) - 2008 (estimate) = 2.541
Moncton rate of change 2006 (estimate) - 2008 (estimate) = 2.043

could change with the official numbers in 2011 though

if we do it this way we are still whoopin ya though

Moncton

2006 census: 126,424
2008 estimate: 132,160

change: 4.537 %

HRM

2006 census: 385,500
2008 estimate: 394,565

change: 2.351 %

[flar]

so here's what we've got so far:

Toronto 5,531,263
Montréal 3,750,540
Vancouver 2,271,224
Ottawa-Gatineau 1,198,668
Calgary 1,182,446
Edmonton 1,124,163
Quebec 738 919
Winnipeg 732,563
Hamilton 731,521
London, Ontario: 485,182
Kitchener, Ontario: 482,048

Halifax 394,565
Victoria 383,801
Saskatoon 250,434
Sherbrooke 191 378
Saguenay 153 297
Trois-Rivières 144 648
Moncton 132,160

[flar]

We still have the three big cities, then Ottawa, Calgary and Edmonton virtually the same size, then Quebec, Winnipeg and Hamilton virtually the same size, then London and Kitchener, also virtually the same size.

[Nicko999]

so here's what we've got so far:

Toronto 5,531,263
Montréal 3,750,540
Vancouver 2,271,224
Ottawa-Gatineau 1,198,668
Calgary 1,182,446
Edmonton 1,124,163
Quebec 738 919
Winnipeg 732,563
Hamilton 731,521
London, Ontario: 485,182
Kitchener, Ontario: 482,048

Halifax 394,565
Victoria 383,801
Saskatoon 250,434
Sherbrooke 191 378
Saguenay 153 297
Trois-Rivières 144 648
Moncton 132,160

Nice to see Quebec City 7th.:tup:

[Dmajackson]

so here's what we've got so far:

Toronto 5,531,263
Montréal 3,750,540
Vancouver 2,271,224
Ottawa-Gatineau 1,198,668
Calgary 1,182,446
Edmonton 1,124,163
Quebec 738 919
Winnipeg 732,563
Hamilton 731,521
London, Ontario: 485,182
Kitchener, Ontario: 482,048

Halifax 394,565
Victoria 383,801
Saskatoon 250,434
Sherbrooke 191 378
Saguenay 153 297
Trois-Rivières 144 648
Moncton 132,160

Is there still one city missing?

I don't remember Halifax being 12th back in '06.