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waterloowarrior
Jan 14, 2009, 5:32 PM
$14B in projects ready to go: Municipalities
(http://www.ottawacitizen.com/projects+ready+Municipalities/1176088/story.html)
BY MIKE DE SOUZA, CANWEST NEWS SERVICEJANUARY 14, 2009 12:21 PM

OTTAWA - More than 1,000 municipal infrastructure projects worth nearly $14 billion are “shovel ready” for job creation from coast to coast, according to a new list unveiled Wednesday by the Federation of Canadian Municipalities.

The list represents an inventory of projects that are awaiting funds to start and was compiled following weeks of extensive consultations by the federation and its members.

The federation says many municipalities have put these projects on the backburner, but could launch them this year and create thousands of jobs if money was available from the different levels of government.

“The municipal world is ready to co-operate with the provinces, territories and the Canadian government to (tackle) the economic problems of Canada,” said Sherbrooke, Que., Mayor Jean Perrault, the president of the federation, during a media conference call. “The construction phase of an infrastructure project creates most of the jobs and getting projects underway this spring is crucial to offsetting the economic slowdown.”

The projects include new investments in roads and bridges, waste management, buildings, public housing, water and waste water treatment facilities as well as public transit for cities and communities that are home to more than 19 million people across the country.

The federation has been urging the Harper government to fast-track transfer payments from a new infrastructure program so that municipalities can get started on the projects and begin putting people to work as part of a stimulus package for the economy.

Municipal officials have complained that there is too much red tape and administrative delays in getting the money flowing into their communities, but federal Transport, Infrastructure and Communities Minister John Baird has pledged to speed up the process by reducing red tape.

Perrault said the funding should be modelled after the federal gas tax transfer which provides federal money for cities based on the size of their population. He also argued in favour of reducing double environmental assessments of new projects by both the federal and provincial governments explaining that many of the projects on hold in their list would not put Canada’s environment in jeopardy.

“The environment is important. There are mechanisms and rules that we must follow,” said Perrault, “but what we told Prime Minister (Stephen) Harper and John Baird to reduce the red tape and that if there were environmental studies that overlap, why not have just one and ensure that it’s propitious.”

Conservation groups and the NDP have both criticized the federal government for musing about reducing federal environmental assessments in favour of a single review of some of the smaller infrastructure projects.

Baird said on Tuesday that the gas tax transfer program worked well since it did not require federal environmental assessments to operate.

© Copyright (c) Canwest News Service

here's the list....

http://www.fcm.ca//CMFiles/FCM%20Shovel%20Ready%20report_list%20En1KDL-1142009-4963.pdf

backup link (http://www.canada.com/cns/infrastructure-list.pdf)


Halifax must have listed every project they have for the next 50 years lol



most major projects are transit related, although the city of Ottawa is listing almost $200 mil for new suburban roads/widenings and much less for transit :no:

SteelTown
Jan 14, 2009, 5:51 PM
These cost figures are they federal government contribution or the cost of the entire project?

Ah sorry nevermind they are cost of the entire project.

Dmajackson
Jan 14, 2009, 5:56 PM
I think they made some of ours up just to make us look bigger :P

Really we just need funding for the big ones like Larry Uteck, Mount Hope, Library, MetroLink, Railcut Corridor and the Terminal Upgrades.

mersar
Jan 14, 2009, 5:56 PM
Yep. Good to see the 4 that are there for Calgary, 3 of which don't really require 'shovels' to be done as they are mostly equipment purchases (though I guess you may need shovels in a way to build bus shelters for the 2)

Coldrsx
Jan 14, 2009, 5:59 PM
Edmonton

528 City of Edmonton AB 730,372 Century Place Building: 14th & 15th Floors asbestos removal and reconstruction Buildings $3,400,000 39
529 City of Edmonton AB Building Roof Rehabilitation: Various City Owned Buildings Buildings $6,000,000 68
530 City of Edmonton AB Argyll School Rehabilitation Buildings $4,100,000 47
531 City of Edmonton AB Building Automation System Rehabilitation: Various City Owned Buildings Buildings $500,000 6
532 City of Edmonton AB Elevator Systems Rehabilitation: Various City Owned Buildings Buildings $1,000,000 11
533 City of Edmonton AB General Renovations: Various City Owned Buildings Buildings $2,000,000 23
534 City of Edmonton AB Additional Road Rehabilitation (pot holes, road deterioration, etc) through mill & fill in 2009 Roads and bridges $20,000,000 228
535 City of Edmonton AB Additional Multi-use Trails & Bike Paths in 2009 Roads and bridges $3,000,000 34
536 City of Edmonton AB Transit Bus Needs Public Transit $462,000,000 5,274
537 City of Edmonton AB Additional bus procurement Public Transit $20,000,000 228
538 City of Edmonton AB Additional Transit Priority Corridor initiatives Public Transit $2,000,000 23
539 City of Edmonton AB NAIT LRT line (downtown to Northern Alberta Institute of Technology) Public Transit $825,000,000 9,419
540 City of Edmonton AB South LRT Expansion (Century Park to Heritage Valley Towne Centre) Public Transit $610,000,000 6,964
541 City of Edmonton AB North-East LRT Expansion (Clareview to Goreman Towne Centre) Public Transit $190,000,000 2,169
542 City of Edmonton AB North-East LRT Signal System Upgrade Public Transit $27,000,000 308
543 City of Edmonton AB Heritage Valley Neighbourhood Park & Ride Public Transit $23,000,000 263
544 City of Edmonton AB Lewis Estates Park & Ride Expansion Public Transit $15,000,000 171
545 City of Edmonton AB South LRT Platform Extensions to 5-Car Length Public Transit $15,000,000 171
546 City of Edmonton AB Eaux Claires Transit Centre Park & Ride Public Transit $12,000,000 137
547 City of Edmonton AB Neighbourhood Revitalization -118 Ave Roads and bridges $50,000,000 571
548 City of Edmonton AB Neighbourhood Renewal Program - rehabilitation (grind & overlay) of four neighbourhoods in 2009 Roads and bridges $20,000,000 228
549 City of Edmonton AB The Quarters - neighbourhood revitalization

Me&You
Jan 14, 2009, 6:07 PM
Looking at what others have asked for, Calgary should've put it's hand out more. I'm sure the more you ask for, the more you'll receive...:shrug:

SteelTown
Jan 14, 2009, 6:09 PM
I guess Winnipeg isn't shovel ready, no project for them on that list.

waterloowarrior
Jan 14, 2009, 6:10 PM
good news about the potential reduction of red tape in the article as well.... Ontario recently implemented a measure that massively reduces the amount of time that environmental assessment for transit projects will take

Dmajackson
Jan 14, 2009, 6:15 PM
Excellent....:evil:

The less the amount of projects in the big cities the more money Halifax will get.

MalcolmTucker
Jan 14, 2009, 6:21 PM
Looking at what others have asked for, Calgary should've put it's hand out more. I'm sure the more you ask for, the more you'll receive...:shrug:

What Calgary lacks in number of projects we make up for in costs. Our projects easily contribute more than 10% of the national total.

I guess the SE LRT cars will likely be made in a Canadian manufacturing plant!

You Need A Thneed
Jan 14, 2009, 6:34 PM
Looking at what others have asked for, Calgary should've put it's hand out more. I'm sure the more you ask for, the more you'll receive...:shrug:

Perhaps it's a matter of if you only put one thing on your list, the government will have to give it if they are going to give anything. Might as well put the one large ticket item on the list.

Calgary also could have a lot more things on the "shovel ready" list in a hurry if money was provided for them.

Examples:
- Downtown subway
- Probobly a number of interchanges (Bowfort/16th; Mcknight/Barlow+19th+12th; MacLoed/Lake Fraser Gate; McLeod/162nd; Glenmore/Ogden; etc)
- SE LRT to Mackenzie Towne
- Airport Trail Tunnel

vid
Jan 14, 2009, 6:40 PM
Thunder Bay probably didn't know what was going on. :(

Me&You
Jan 14, 2009, 6:47 PM
Perhaps it's a matter of if you only put one thing on your list, the government will have to give it if they are going to give anything. Might as well put the one large ticket item on the list.

Calgary also could have a lot more things on the "shovel ready" list in a hurry if money was provided for them.

Examples:
- Downtown subway
- Probobly a number of interchanges (Bowfort/16th; Mcknight/Barlow+19th+12th; MacLoed/Lake Fraser Gate; McLeod/162nd; Glenmore/Ogden; etc)
- SE LRT to Mackenzie Towne
- Airport Trail Tunnel

I thought about that angle after I posted. I was just thinking of some of the projects thrown around in the Calgary threads and was surprised by how few actually made it on the list (especially when some municipalities so many).

lubicon
Jan 14, 2009, 6:58 PM
Calgary should have the following projects:
1. SELRT - all the way to the new South Hospital, not jsut 1/2 way there (to Quarry Park).
2. Downtown subway project

Plus a lot more projects that probably aren't shovel ready (but needed), or beyond the scope of what the City itself is responsible for. Things like:

1. interchanges - TCH/Bowfort Road, NW Stoney Trail etc
2. the remainder of the Ring Road
3. new arena's and rec centres
4. conversion of ALL existing LRT stations to accomodate 4 car trains
5. NLRT

etc etc.

Wooster
Jan 14, 2009, 7:15 PM
Perhaps it's a matter of if you only put one thing on your list, the government will have to give it if they are going to give anything. Might as well put the one large ticket item on the list.

Calgary also could have a lot more things on the "shovel ready" list in a hurry if money was provided for them.

Examples:
- Downtown subway
- Probobly a number of interchanges (Bowfort/16th; Mcknight/Barlow+19th+12th; MacLoed/Lake Fraser Gate; McLeod/162nd; Glenmore/Ogden; etc)
- SE LRT to Mackenzie Towne
- Airport Trail Tunnel

Exactly. There a ton of projects Calgary could add - 4 is absurd, even if one of the items is $1.2 billion.

Edmonton, for instance has well over a billion in major transit projects but also about $130 million in neighbourhood reviltalization projects like Quarters district. Calgary's Centre City has about that much it needs to invest in rejuvination projects, like new parks, improved streetscapes that are yet unfunded.

Additionally, projects like the Epcor Centre renovation, Central Library, Rec Centres could be shovel ready this year with funding.

City of Toronto, has even more scant a list.

Doug
Jan 14, 2009, 7:21 PM
Exactly. There a ton of projects Calgary could add - 4 is absurd, even if one of the items is $1.2 billion.

Edmonton, for instance has well over a billion in major transit projects but also about $130 million in neighbourhood reviltalization projects like Quarters district. Calgary's Centre City has about that much it needs to invest in rejuvination projects, like new parks, improved streetscapes that are yet unfunded.

Additionally, projects like the Epcor Centre renovation, Central Library, Rec Centres could be shovel ready this year with funding.

That depends on the interpretation of shovel ready. Does it mean that all engineering, land acquisitions and environmental assessments are complete or are close to completion? The other missing piece is participation by other levels of government. There is huge potential for political goals and poor management to turn this so-called stimulus into black hole. Jurisdictions that are receiving cash should be required to ante up significant amounts on their own (at least 50%) to keep them accountable.

mersar
Jan 14, 2009, 7:21 PM
Yeah, you need to take into account these are just projects that all the cities have been working towards already, which is why only parts of the SELRT in Calgary are listed, as that part is likely also the part that the city is trying to get the provincial government to fund from the $2B transit fund. I don't believe they are even remotely done prep work though, as that part has at least one river crossing which requires a huge environmental assessment for and I don't think they've also acquired all the properties but I may be wrong on that .

A lot of the projects are probably things that the municipality had done the initial work years ago to try to get funding, and shelved it when they were told there was none at that time.

Wooster
Jan 14, 2009, 7:43 PM
That depends on the interpretation of shovel ready. Does it mean that all engineering, land acquisitions and environmental assessments are complete or are close to completion? The other missing piece is participation by other levels of government. There is huge potential for political goals and poor management to turn this so-called stimulus into black hole. Jurisdictions that are receiving cash should be required to ante up significant amounts on their own (at least 50%) to keep them accountable.

"Shovel ready" is such a stupid term because it misleads one to thinking that only the actual physical construction creates work. I think it should mean that the project is planned for/approved in principal and ready to commense "work" within the year. "Work" meaning the detailed design, planning, engineering, environmental assessments, and various other approvals needed prior to construction - or the actual construction if it is ready to go (a timeframe that will vary depending on the scope and type of the project).

For instance, the SE LRT in Calgary was moved to #1 on the infrastructure priority list by a motion at Council. The alignments are approved. "Work" could easily be commenced immediately on the development of the line, even though, in the best case scenario, would take about 2-3 years to get an actual shovel into the ground. However, in that 2-3 years, lots of people will be busy away doing work (engineering etc) in preparation, including people like myself (a land use planner) who are hired to do things like land use studies/TOD studies associated with the new line.

How many people are employed prior to the actual construction of something like a transit line? - many, many people.

I agree, that most if not all of these projects should involve bi- or tri-partite funding agreements.

waterloowarrior
Jan 14, 2009, 7:47 PM
^ funding for consultants doesn't make the government look good and look like they are doing something - a project under construction does

kitchener-lrt
Jan 14, 2009, 9:38 PM
This is off topic, but does anyone know how many people Bombardier employs in Thunder Bay?

240glt
Jan 14, 2009, 9:57 PM
"shovel ready" generally means that all zoning is compliant and permits are in place, which usually means that a large percentage of the design work has been completed.

Jared
Jan 15, 2009, 12:50 AM
Metro Vancouver has a hell of a lot of items, but they're generally rather small items; only 9 are over $10 million, and only 2 of them are over $30 million. Surrey and Maple Ridge also submitted a few things as individual cities.

vid
Jan 15, 2009, 2:00 AM
This is off topic, but does anyone know how many people Bombardier employs in Thunder Bay?

Around 800 people. They're constantly in jeopardy for some reason. There is nothing this city would love more than for Toronto to build street cars and subways and commuter rail links to every little corner of the GTA. :rolleyes:

City sends $225M wish list to Ottawa
Tb News Source | January 14 2009

The City of Thunder Bay has a $225-million wish list for Stephen Harper’s Conservative government.

That's the word from Mayor Lynn Peterson, as billions of dollars are expected to be rolled out over the coming weeks to jumpstart the country's economy.

Canada's big-city mayors are scheduled to meet with Transportation Minister John Baird Thursday, looking to have their projects included in the major economic stimulus package. Although Thunder Bay is not included in that meeting, Mayor Peterson said they've already made sure Ottawa knows what is included on our city's wish list.

Peterson said city officials delivered their list of big-ticket projects to Industry Minister Tony Clement over the weekend, with that list then being forwarded to Minister Baird.

Back in November, municipalities were asked to provide a list of construction projects 'that are environmentally approved, and can go ahead right now.' Peterson said Thunder Bay's list totals $225-million, $60 million of which is 'shovel ready.'

Peterson also said these are all projects that will put people back to work, and will rebuild the city's infrastructure. She said with the federal government's commitment to provide the stimulus package, she is very optimistic it will include some dollars for Thunder Bay.

There will be a special information session for city council next week, which will outline the details of the list the city is submitting. The time and location still need to be determined.

I bet at least one of the items on there will be a bridge replacement. We love replacing bridges!

canlefty
Jan 15, 2009, 2:06 AM
Calgary should have the following projects:
1. SELRT - all the way to the new South Hospital, not jsut 1/2 way there (to Quarry Park).
2. Downtown subway project


Agreed, these should be of the upmost priority on the list, but you should really reverse number 1 and 2... what good is another line that gets to squish into the already grossly congested/at-grade/early 90's capacity downtown?... subway first, SELRT 2nd.

Spring2008
Jan 15, 2009, 2:52 AM
what about the west lrt route in Calgary?

wild wild west
Jan 15, 2009, 2:53 AM
Funding for West LRT has already been secured and allocated I believe.

frinkprof
Jan 15, 2009, 3:12 AM
Agreed, these should be of the upmost priority on the list, but you should really reverse number 1 and 2... what good is another line that gets to squish into the already grossly congested/at-grade/early 90's capacity downtown?... subway first, SELRT 2nd.
The SELRT will have its own tunnel downtown. That is, neither on the surface infrastructure on 7th Ave. nor the proposed 8th Avenue Subway. It will go underground on 10th Avenue somewhere east of McLeod Trail, and north under 2nd Street West.

As for the list, as others have noted, it seems like some municipalities (London, Halifax, Metro Vancouver) have decided to put lots of projects on, while other municipalities are either entirely absent or only have a couple projects listed (Winnipeg). Interesting to see the varied approaches. I wonder what the total would look like if every town the size of Provost put a few of projects on like they did, and if cities like Calgary and Toronto put another couple larger projects on.

Anyway, one thing I thought was interesting, by rough numbers, Toronto, Calgary and Edmonton's combined transit projects make up for more than half the public transit total.

Wooster
Jan 15, 2009, 3:25 AM
Agreed, these should be of the upmost priority on the list, but you should really reverse number 1 and 2... what good is another line that gets to squish into the already grossly congested/at-grade/early 90's capacity downtown?... subway first, SELRT 2nd.

It was funny, I was listening to a council hearing on the Brentwood TOD, and the Mayor made an interesting comment about the 8th ave subway, hinting that the "8th ave subway may be coming sooner than we think". It struck me as odd at the time, but perhaps they have this project lined up through provincial green TRIP program funding, and are seeking SELRT funding through the federal government or a combination of federal and provincial money.

Frinkprof is right, the SELRT will have its own tunnel in and through downtown along 10th ave and then turning north on 2nd up to Eau Claire.

Bassic Lab
Jan 15, 2009, 3:52 AM
"Shovel ready" is such a stupid term because it misleads one to thinking that only the actual physical construction creates work. I think it should mean that the project is planned for/approved in principal and ready to commense "work" within the year. "Work" meaning the detailed design, planning, engineering, environmental assessments, and various other approvals needed prior to construction - or the actual construction if it is ready to go (a timeframe that will vary depending on the scope and type of the project).

For instance, the SE LRT in Calgary was moved to #1 on the infrastructure priority list by a motion at Council. The alignments are approved. "Work" could easily be commenced immediately on the development of the line, even though, in the best case scenario, would take about 2-3 years to get an actual shovel into the ground. However, in that 2-3 years, lots of people will be busy away doing work (engineering etc) in preparation, including people like myself (a land use planner) who are hired to do things like land use studies/TOD studies associated with the new line.

How many people are employed prior to the actual construction of something like a transit line? - many, many people.

I agree, that most if not all of these projects should involve bi- or tri-partite funding agreements.

The program isn't really supposed to be a free for all of money, it is supposed to be short term stimulus during an economic crisis that may or may not last very long. Of course it is really about trying to make it look as if the government is actually doing something so rules might be rather slack.

The problem with turning this into a matching grants type program is that matching grants only benefit the areas that can already afford to spend money. Those regions that are truly in need end up without benefit. Part of why the Maritimes were really screwed over by the Great Depression.

mersar
Jan 15, 2009, 3:53 AM
I actually got some more information on the 8th avenue subway I posted in the Calgary transit thread tonight. The design study hasn't even started yet, its supposed to begin soon though. The big issues it will be looking at is how deep and how to build it as theres a lot of utilities including a couple main feeds for some decent sized buildings that are still under the avenue so it becomes do you do a shallow tunnel and move all that, or go deeper and not, and which is cheaper.

rapid_business
Jan 15, 2009, 5:41 AM
240...I now see where you got the data you posted in the Edmonton thread...lol. Here I was thinking it was from the Capital Budget or something.

jimj_wpg
Jan 15, 2009, 6:02 AM
I guess Winnipeg isn't shovel ready, no project for them on that list.

:gaah:

someone123
Jan 15, 2009, 7:57 AM
Yeah, the Halifax projects are more a random "wish list" than "shovel ready" projects. I highly doubt they'll be building 10 new fire stations over the next few years, for example, and they're not even close to figuring out what they'll do for projects like the central library replacement (which so far has been a total joke as the process has dragged on).

Another factor is that the old cities amalgamated so most of the metropolitan area is in a single municipality (Halifax Regional Municipality).

shreddog
Jan 15, 2009, 4:51 PM
This is off topic, but does anyone know how many people Bombardier employs in Thunder Bay?

800 is the current base number ... it has increased up to just under 1100 a couple years ago when there were a number of concurrent orders.

That includes engineering and manufacturing.

BTW, that was the planned base going forward to support the current workload of bi-levels and planned TTC subway cars. If other orders start coming in the old peak of 1100 could be reached quite readily.

Edit. Damn you Vid!! My wimax connection dropped out and you beat me to the punch!

Doug
Jan 15, 2009, 8:45 PM
The 8th Ave subway isn't even close to shovel ready and I doubt SELRT is either. Regardless, there are probably more than enough road interchanges that are ready to go: Macleod-162nd, Macleod-Lake Fraser, Macleod-Heritage, 16th Ave-Bowfort, 16th Ave-68th Street, Glenmore-37th etc.

Dmajackson
Jan 15, 2009, 8:59 PM
Yeah, the Halifax projects are more a random "wish list" than "shovel ready" projects. I highly doubt they'll be building 10 new fire stations over the next few years, for example, and they're not even close to figuring out what they'll do for projects like the central library replacement (which so far has been a total joke as the process has dragged on).

Another factor is that the old cities amalgamated so most of the metropolitan area is in a single municipality (Halifax Regional Municipality).

Yah some of the projects listed are fine by me like Cogswell Street since its in the RP and is badly needed. But they also have some strange one listed like the Bedford West Fire Station which is strange because the neighbourhood isnt even built yet. It pisses me off though that they have the rail-cut corridor listed. That project still has be approved, funded, environmentally assessed, design finalized.

e909
Jan 16, 2009, 1:28 AM
Edmonton

528 City of Edmonton AB 730,372 Century Place Building: 14th & 15th Floors asbestos removal and reconstruction Buildings $3,400,000 39
529 City of Edmonton AB Building Roof Rehabilitation: Various City Owned Buildings Buildings $6,000,000 68
530 City of Edmonton AB Argyll School Rehabilitation Buildings $4,100,000 47
531 City of Edmonton AB Building Automation System Rehabilitation: Various City Owned Buildings Buildings $500,000 6
532 City of Edmonton AB Elevator Systems Rehabilitation: Various City Owned Buildings Buildings $1,000,000 11
533 City of Edmonton AB General Renovations: Various City Owned Buildings Buildings $2,000,000 23
534 City of Edmonton AB Additional Road Rehabilitation (pot holes, road deterioration, etc) through mill & fill in 2009 Roads and bridges $20,000,000 228
535 City of Edmonton AB Additional Multi-use Trails & Bike Paths in 2009 Roads and bridges $3,000,000 34
536 City of Edmonton AB Transit Bus Needs Public Transit $462,000,000 5,274
537 City of Edmonton AB Additional bus procurement Public Transit $20,000,000 228
538 City of Edmonton AB Additional Transit Priority Corridor initiatives Public Transit $2,000,000 23
539 City of Edmonton AB NAIT LRT line (downtown to Northern Alberta Institute of Technology) Public Transit $825,000,000 9,419
540 City of Edmonton AB South LRT Expansion (Century Park to Heritage Valley Towne Centre) Public Transit $610,000,000 6,964
541 City of Edmonton AB North-East LRT Expansion (Clareview to Goreman Towne Centre) Public Transit $190,000,000 2,169
542 City of Edmonton AB North-East LRT Signal System Upgrade Public Transit $27,000,000 308
543 City of Edmonton AB Heritage Valley Neighbourhood Park & Ride Public Transit $23,000,000 263
544 City of Edmonton AB Lewis Estates Park & Ride Expansion Public Transit $15,000,000 171
545 City of Edmonton AB South LRT Platform Extensions to 5-Car Length Public Transit $15,000,000 171
546 City of Edmonton AB Eaux Claires Transit Centre Park & Ride Public Transit $12,000,000 137
547 City of Edmonton AB Neighbourhood Revitalization -118 Ave Roads and bridges $50,000,000 571
548 City of Edmonton AB Neighbourhood Renewal Program - rehabilitation (grind & overlay) of four neighbourhoods in 2009 Roads and bridges $20,000,000 228
549 City of Edmonton AB The Quarters - neighbourhood revitalization
Those LRT projects are certainly not "Shovel Ready". Even if they got the goahead today, it would probably be two years before they were even tendered...

jimj_wpg
Jan 16, 2009, 5:01 AM
This is off topic, but does anyone know how many people Bombardier employs in Thunder Bay?

'vid' might be one of them....

mersar
Jan 16, 2009, 5:59 AM
Those LRT projects are certainly not "Shovel Ready". Even if they got the goahead today, it would probably be two years before they were even tendered...

Most of the projects are not 'shovel ready', rather I assume that they used the term just because the lay person would think 'shovel ready' = ready for people to work on. That said, as it has been pointed out already, theres a lot of possible jobs doing the before the shovels are in the ground work on the larger projects, whereas the smaller ones probably could be started pretty quickly even if all the plans weren't fully done up yet. And even if the project isn't ready for tender for a bit, that can depend on how its put out to tender depending on if the tender includes the design work or just the build work.

waterloowarrior
Jan 16, 2009, 6:07 AM
from the FCM document

The attached report provides details of more than 1,000 municipal infrastructure projects that are ready to start this spring should funds become available. They range from simple rehabilitation to major new construction projects. They span communities of all sizes and all regions of the country.

All the projects on this list are “shovel-ready,” ready to go as soon as federal money becomes available. Every community with these and other similar projects will benefit from new jobs, new local spending, and the infrastructure created or repaired.

By “shovel-ready,” we mean projects that do not appear in a municipality’s 2009 funded capital budget, but which could be started in 2009 with additional funding. In most cases, these are small and medium-sized projects focused on the rehabilitation of existing infrastructure. These projects fit into existing footprints, and therefore usually do not trigger environmental assessments, and have relatively simple and quick engineering requirements.

A number of new and large projects are also included on this list. In these cases, the usually significant design and regulatory requirements have already been completed, and the project is awaiting the final portion of required funding from another order of government.

mersar
Jan 16, 2009, 6:26 AM
And Calgary's looking for a lot more. The Mayor of Calgary release a snazzy looking document outlining what he wants the feds to fund:

Transit & Infrastructure
Regional BRT - $50M
Calgary BRT - $75M
LRT Capacity - $80M
SE LRT - $1.2B
Stephen Ave Subway - $550M
16th Ave NE @ 19th Street and 68th Street interchanges - $135M
Macleod Trail @ Lake Fraser and 162nd Ave - $100M
Airport Tunnel - $200M
SE Industrial area (52nd street & CN Rail crossing, Glenmore and 68th interchange) - $95M

Green Projects
Organic Waste to Energy Plant - $380M
Landfill gas capture - $10M
Brownfield redevelopment (Imperial Oil's old SE refinery) - $7M
Solar Power generation (on city owned facilities such as landfills and water treatment plants to operate the facilities and feed into the grid) - $75M
Upgrades at Bonnybrook Waste Treatment Plant - $50M
Construction/Demolition waste processing facility - $25M
Centralized Recycling facility - $30M
Upgrades to facilities (operational facilities) - $190M
New admin building - $157M
Renovations to Calgary Public Building - $34M

Public Safety
East Village tri-service facility - $18.5M
Airport/Skyview Ranch Fire/EMS station - $14.5M

Cultural
Devonian Gardens - $33.6M
Science Centre - $55M
Central Library - $151M

Sports
Regional Recreation Centres - $100M
Indoor multi-sport facility - $140M

Wooster
Jan 16, 2009, 6:30 AM
^Does that fit in one page? I believe John Baird specified one page, so if it is longer I fear that Calgary will be disqualified. :cool:

The Chemist
Jan 16, 2009, 6:58 AM
^I presume that 'LRT Capacity' item refers either to new LRT cars or 4-car platforms or both?

mersar
Jan 16, 2009, 7:03 AM
^I presume that 'LRT Capacity' item refers either to new LRT cars or 4-car platforms or both?

An additional 20 LRV's is what that is.

Bassic Lab
Jan 16, 2009, 9:09 AM
An additional 20 LRV's is what that is.

I really can't see how the city would think that buying trains made in San Diego could possibly count as stimulus spending.

vid
Jan 16, 2009, 7:07 PM
Edit. Damn you Vid!! My wimax connection dropped out and you beat me to the punch!

It's ok, your answer was better.

'vid' might be one of them....

Nope. It's very, very hard to get a job there since they have everyone they need. Once in a while they hire a few people to replace retirees but it is very difficult to get into Bombardier, or AbitibiBowater, or any large, well paying employer in this city.

Our unemployment rate is only so low because the people without jobs have left.

One of Thunder Bay's items is a $50M project between the regional hospital and Confederation College, which will see two buildings built at each site and start a programme to train even more medical professionals in the region, with the hopes that they'll stay here. The best part: If they got the money today, they could start tomorrow. (Realistically they won't start until mid March, when our construction season picks up again.)