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rocketphish
03-22-2009, 05:00 AM
It looks like Domicile is delaying the Second Avenue West development (804-824 Bronson):

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Lessons+down+sizing/1412429/story.html


Lessons in down-sizing

Domicile redesigns sexy penthouse, waits on market to launch ambitious Glebe project

By Sheila Brady, The Ottawa Citizen, March 21, 2009

David Chick is a prudent fellow, a veteran real estate lawyer turned developer who is looking for signs the economy is warming up before launching an ambitious four-storey condo in the Glebe. He's hoping the brick condo project, Second Avenue West, will be introduced in May. There are more than 400 names on a priority list, waiting to see the plans and price tags.

"It's a new reality," says Chick, who left the prestigious legal firm of Nelligan O'Brien Payne to sign on as senior vice-president at Domicile three years ago.

"It was the biggest decision in my life and it's a real challenge," says Chick, who worked with Domicile president John Doran for many years before taking over as the firm's exec in charge of negotiating land purchases, financing, design and marketing. "I love it, but it's a bit scary now."

Chick joined Domicile, shortly before the company launched G, an upscale glass and brick condo on Bank Street beside Central Park.

The economy was healthy in March 2007, and Domicile thought it had a golden site for young professionals and boomers who wanted condo living in the heart of the Glebe.

Turns out G's smaller condos sold well, many to young professionals, but the larger two-storey condos costing between $700,000 and $1 million couldn't find buyers. "We thought the market would eat up a building in the exclusive Glebe," says Chick. "There were no nibbles."

So Domicile shifted gears and redesigned the top floor. Now there are four condos left in the glass and brick building, including a slick two-bedroom penthouse model that opened earlier this month.

To decorate the model, Doran called on his old buddy Alan Gratias, who with his partner Joanie Hilborn had combined bright colours, old pine and Philippe Stark's Ghost chair in Domicile's model townhomes at Merrion Square on Breezehill Avenue last spring.

The Ghost chair and pine furniture are now part of a new urban story overlooking Bank Street. Gratias and Hilborn added a leather sectional sofa, a glass dining room table, lots of good art for the walls that stretch up 12 feet, and sophisticated blinds that soften light streaming through the large windows.

The pair, who own an art gallery and farm overlooking Lake Ontario, wanted to create an Ottawa version of a New York City artist's loft. There are funky sculptures and, if you look closely, photographs of Gratias, Hilborn and their beloved dog Roger.

The master bedroom is a sophisticated affair, combining a dark brown bed from Phillip van Leeuwen and art of young girl and a bluebird, while the second bedroom is set up as a getaway for a teenager, but could just as easily be a home office. There is a flat-screen television over the fireplace and a galley kitchen set on an angle. The penthouse also has access to a deck overlooking Bank Street and Central Park to the west.

The 1,175-square-foot model penthouse is priced at $537,000, says Chick, adding they will sell it if there is a buyer.

"In this market, we will set up another model in the building." There are two other penthouse condos priced at $582,200 and $638,400 and a smaller, two-bedroom condo on the second floor for $466,300.

Domicile is one of the city's leading boutique condo builders, introducing a pair of traditional red brick condos on Cooper Street in the late 1990s, then getting edgy by turning an old government building on Argyle Avenue into funky, industrial condos in 2000. The company moved into Westboro with upscale industrial brick buildings and spread out to townhomes and condos near Dow's Lake and Overbrook.

Domicile is now finalizing plans and pricing for Second Avenue West, its four-storey brick condo that will sit on the west side of Bronson Avenue, directly across from Second Avenue.

"It is a new reality," repeats Chick, who has learned pricing and design lessons since G was introduced. The economy has changed dramatically in the past several months and he is crunching numbers, trying to keep prices down as much as possible.

It's also key to keep a lid on condo fees, but the building will have a board room, a detailed lobby and a fitness room. "We want to concentrate on a good building envelope and offer designs that will stand the test of time," says Chick.

Ottawa architect Rod Lahey designed the 70-unit building, which has a central core that steps back from Bronson. The condos will be smaller than those on Bank Street, likely averaging 850 square feet, with an even split between one- and two-bedrooms.

"The economy over the last few months has affected our business, and we feel that people are going to accept slightly smaller living spaces to keep track of rising costs. They also want to be smart about being green," says Chick, noting that right now boomers are holding back on trading in their houses for condos. "They are not feeling as urgent a need to do this. The economy has hurt their pensions and they have also been hit in expectations of their home's value and ability to sell."

In addition to watching the economy, Chick is waiting for warmer weather and the spring market when the majority of people thinking about moving take the next step and buy.

"We have all the approvals and we are aware this is the only condo likely on the horizon in the area," says Chick. "We feel confident we will be launching in May, and the market will be there for this site."

Sheila Brady is the Citizen's Homes Editor. You can reach her at sbrady@thecitizen.canwest.com.


and here's a small sketch that accompanied the article:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3639/3664581631_318d72a59a_o_d.jpg

kwoldtimer
03-22-2009, 02:42 PM
It looks like Domicile is delaying the Second Avenue West development (804-824 Bronson):


.... Ottawa architect Rod Lahey designed the 70-unit building, which has a central core that steps back from Bronson. The condos will be smaller than those on Bank Street, likely averaging 850 square feet, with an even split between one- and two-bedrooms.

"The economy over the last few months has affected our business, and we feel that people are going to accept slightly smaller living spaces to keep track of rising costs. ....


and here's a small sketch that accompanied the article:

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/5/5/3/3/1/webimg/244160144_o.jpg

I have very high regard for Domicile and if they already have 400 people on their waiting list I suspect that they have (again) accurately judged their target market, but 850 sq ft on Bronson (west side at that!) doesn't seem to me to have a high "lifestyle" factor. It will be interesting to see how the units are priced in the current slow condo market.

hackunion
03-23-2009, 04:23 AM
I take the 4 down Bronson every day and I've seen the Domicile sign up for a while at this location, but won't some of the houses need to be demolished at Bronson and 2nd in order to build this thing?

PS - 1000, woo!

kingcobra
03-23-2009, 05:10 PM
I have a brochure of this proposed condominium. I will scan and post it here tonight.

Mille Sabords
03-31-2009, 06:10 PM
Here are a couple of shots of the site as it is today (pictures mine):

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t30/CortinaFan/Condos/OttawaMarch2009001.jpg

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t30/CortinaFan/Condos/OttawaMarch2009002.jpg

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t30/CortinaFan/Condos/OttawaMarch2009004.jpg

It's too bad to have to lose those old homes, especially since the replacement building doesn't have anything to tie it better to the street (not only no retail, but also a "core that steps back from Bronson" according to the article. Long way to go before this can really become a genuine main street.

Mille Sabords
05-15-2009, 02:03 AM
I registered for updates on their website a while ago and was rewarded with an e-mail announcing the opening of their sales on June 11th. Here is the rendering that goes with it:

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t30/CortinaFan/Condos/DomicileSecondAveWest02.jpg

You know, I look at it and it's a pleasant enough building for a residential street. I'm not sure it's such a great fit on a street like Bronson. Sure, it's a pretty residential stretch of Bronson, but the design of this building, with the lay-by, the hedgerow etc., strengthens that status instead of moving toward a more Mainstreet-ish vocabulary.

O-Town Hockey
05-15-2009, 02:23 AM
I feel like Bronson has too many cars going too fast on it for it to be comfortable for pedestrians....or for residences to be close to the street for that matter. I think they are trying to separate these condos from the street both physically and symbolically (with that hedge) for that reason. Any road construction along Bronson seems to be solidifying it as a street for getting places and not a street to go to. Bank is not far away and will continue to be the main street for the Centretown, the Glebe, and Old Ottawa South. Meanwhile, these condos look great, they fit in really well with the Glasgow next door, and there's nothing wrong with having 5-6x the current population density on that site.

kwoldtimer
05-15-2009, 02:46 AM
Sure, it's a pretty residential stretch of Bronson, but the design of this building, with the lay-by, the hedgerow etc., strengthens that status instead of moving toward a more Mainstreet-ish vocabulary.

I think that is precisely the intent. That stretch is resolutely residential, despite the quasi-expressway that Bronson has become (did the City learn absolutely nothing from King Edward :shrug: ).

Mille Sabords
05-15-2009, 02:26 PM
I feel like Bronson has too many cars going too fast on it for it to be comfortable for pedestrians....or for residences to be close to the street for that matter. I think they are trying to separate these condos from the street both physically and symbolically (with that hedge) for that reason. Any road construction along Bronson seems to be solidifying it as a street for getting places and not a street to go to. Bank is not far away and will continue to be the main street for the Centretown, the Glebe, and Old Ottawa South. Meanwhile, these condos look great, they fit in really well with the Glasgow next door, and there's nothing wrong with having 5-6x the current population density on that site.

Yes, that's the point, and that's why this project looks like it does. I simply deplore the fact that with every passing project, Bronson's highway status is solidified a little more. Charlesfort missed a great opportunity to have even one coffee shop on the ground level, and they have even less excuse because The Glasgow is within a small commercial hub that could easily consolidate (and indeed should, if we want to avoid having it whither away). Domicile's site is tougher for mixed use, yes, and the extra density is welcome, yes. And the Traditional Mainstreet does end at Carling, so there's really nothing to criticize aside from a wish that things eventually move south on Bronson, one block at a time.

Kitchissippi
05-15-2009, 02:39 PM
What really needs to be done on Bronson between Carling and the Canal is to change the peceived scale of the street by adding bike lanes and wider sidewalks with pedestrian-scale lamps and street furniture. These visual clues are subliminal signals to drivers that they do not have full priority on the street. Presently, the streetlamps are too high and the sidewalks are cracked and narrow, which is a sign of neglect and tells drivers the "nobody walks there so I can speed".

Ryersonian
05-15-2009, 03:21 PM
What really needs to be done on Bronson between Carling and the Canal is to change the peceived scale of the street by adding bike lanes and wider sidewalks with pedestrian-scale lamps and street furniture. These visual clues are subliminal signals to drivers that they do not have full priority on the street. Presently, the streetlamps are too high and the sidewalks are cracked and narrow, which is a sign of neglect and tells drivers the "nobody walks there so I can speed".

Can I hear an AMEN! This is an absoultley brilliant and astute comment.

Mille Sabords
05-15-2009, 05:49 PM
Amen, brother.

waterloowarrior
05-16-2009, 12:12 AM
There's an RFQ out on MERX that may be of interest
http://www.merx.com/English/SUPPLIER_Menu.Asp?WCE=Show&TAB=1&PORTAL=MERX&State=7&id=173630&FED_ONLY=0&hcode=dBMptaAdOGPoy7hFXwrjKA%3d%3d

Request for Qualifications - Bronson Avenue (Queen Street to Rideau Canal) Road, Sewer and Watermain

Addendum No. 1 has been issued.

Reconstruction

Preliminary and Detail Design and Tender Documents

The City of Ottawa, Infrastructure Branch is seeking proposals to provide professional engineering services to conduct preliminary and detailed design and tender documents for Bronson Avenue (Queen Street to Rideau Canal) Road, Sewer and Watermain Reconstruction.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT:

Colleen Gorman
Purchasing Officer
Supply Management Branch
Tel: (613) 580-2424 Ext: 25829

The proposal MUST be received NO LATER than 3:00 p.m. local time, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 at the following location:

City of Ottawa
Supply Management Branch
100 Constellation Crescent, 4th Floor West Tower
Nepean, Ontario K2G 6J8

The Procurement of goods specified in this bid document is subject to the provisions of the Agreement on Internal Trade (AIT) and the Ontario-Quebec Procurement Agreement (OQPA).

All information submitted in response to this RFQ is subject to the provisions of the Municipal Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act.

waterloowarrior
06-13-2009, 11:16 PM
There was an ad today in the paper, I guess it must have just launched this weekend.. here are a few renders I found from http://susanlynmcgregor.blogspot.com/

http://wwuploads.googlepages.com/2avefina.jpg

http://wwuploads.googlepages.com/2ndave.jpg

http://wwuploads.googlepages.com/secaveFinalView1-5.jpg

hackunion
06-14-2009, 03:00 AM
bleh... but I guess it fits in somewhat with the context.

hackunion
06-14-2009, 03:03 AM
by the way, how are they New York inspired..? maybe they meant Schenectady, New York.

citizen j
06-14-2009, 04:22 AM
Precisely what I was thinking. Not New York. Maybe an early 21st-century pastiche of early 20th-century Los Angeles with the little faux-Mediterranean party hats playing the role of architectural shorthand. It's not horrible; but it could address the street much, MUCH better (as some of you have already pointed out).

Mille Sabords
06-14-2009, 06:44 PM
It's the type of minimum attention to aesthetics that rates a contented shrug and nothing more. It's definitely not one of the shitboxes we're known for, but neither is it a new definition of beautiful. :rolleyes:

Ryersonian
06-15-2009, 01:48 PM
Precisely what I was thinking. Not New York. Maybe an early 21st-century pastiche of early 20th-century Los Angeles with the little faux-Mediterranean party hats playing the role of architectural shorthand. It's not horrible; but it could address the street much, MUCH better (as some of you have already pointed out).


"faux-Mediterranean party hats" one of the funniest lines i've seen on here...and there have been quite a few

rocketphish
06-16-2009, 03:51 AM
Domicile's website for Second Avenue West is now up and running, with specs, prices and floorplans:
http://www.domicile.ca/saw

Here's the ground floor plan:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3332/3630551201_5f200105c6_o_d.gif

waterloowarrior
06-17-2009, 04:43 AM
If I counted this up right, they have 23/71 units 'conditionally sold', or around 32% as of June 15

citizen j
06-17-2009, 04:53 AM
"faux-Mediterranean party hats" one of the funniest lines i've seen on here...and there have been quite a few

Gracias. I do what I can.

ikerrin
06-18-2009, 12:16 AM
http://wwuploads.googlepages.com/2avefina.jpg



Is it just me, or does this place look a bit like an Arizona retirement home. Its not ugly, but it just doesn't look like it fits. I sort of expect there to be tennis courts and a pool out back.

O-Town Hockey
06-18-2009, 12:23 AM
It's not gonna win any awards, but I think it's clean, classy, and it fits in well with The Glasgow just down the road: http://www.charlesfort.ca/glasgow/exteriors.php

Deez
06-18-2009, 02:01 AM
Is it just me, or does this place look a bit like an Arizona retirement home. Its not ugly, but it just doesn't look like it fits. I sort of expect there to be tennis courts and a pool out back.

Haha...I was going to say the same thing, substituting Florida for Arizona. Maybe they'll throw some palm trees in for good measure.

umbria27
06-18-2009, 07:12 PM
Ugh. I had hoped for something better. I think I've seen this design out on the wasteland of Montreal Rd past Blair.

Still, I think my greatest disappointment is that they are knocking down the brick doubles that linked the west side of Bronson to the Glebe. Is it too late to ask them to move just a few hundred metres North to obliterate those white brick abominations next door?

rakerman
07-12-2009, 09:00 PM
The usual Citizen fluff article, but it's interesting to see prices per square foot for condos are continuing to stay high. Also $29,500 for parking is the highest I've seen so far.

Revitalizing Bronson Avenue (http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/Revitalizing+Bronson+Avenue/1781211/story.html)

kwoldtimer
07-12-2009, 11:19 PM
The usual Citizen fluff article, but it's interesting to see prices per square foot for condos are continuing to stay high. Also $29,500 for parking is the highest I've seen so far.

Revitalizing Bronson Avenue (http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/Revitalizing+Bronson+Avenue/1781211/story.html)

Fluff indeed - it would be nice to see a more critical review of new developments rather than just an extended real estate advertisement. Re the appearance and especially the roofline - is it accidental or is it intended as a nod to Noffke? I see a hint of the Champagne Baths on King Edward, but then I have a vivid imagination ;)



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