[manny_santos]

Not me.

It is nothing more than a scam, meant to help big corporations generate positive publicity for themselves. And it has no impact on electricity usage; in fact, apparently in 2007 in Sydney, Australia, electricity usage actually went up in the couple of hours leading up to that hour compared to normal usage at that time of day, and it was the same as any other day during the hour.

The irony is that while people shut off power generated by hydroelectric dams, they burn candles powered by wax - a petroleum product.

We should be working every day to minimize our impact on the planet, instead of pretending we care for one hour out of 8,760 each year. If we really cared about the planet we would turn air conditioners down in the summer, not use televisions all the time, drive less, and so forth.

[240glt]

^ I agree manny.

Earth hour, while a noble concept, really does nothing to solve the greater problem.

Until people are actually willing to make lifestyle changes, events like earth hour will only pay lip service to the cause.

[Acajack]

I may or may not observe, but I’d say the organizers probably see this more about building awareness than anything else. Say, that people will feel more empowered (and thus more likely to act systemically and durably at some point to cut down their consumption) after seeing a large portion of a city blacked out, for example. T

hey probably didn’t really have any illusions about seeing energy consumption go down significantly in any way because of this.

[MrOilers]

Not me.

I don't care about using less electricity. Turning my lights off for an hour will do fuck all.

I just think the energy industry should work to switch away from coal, and towards renewable ways of generating electricity.

[MolsonExport]

everyday is earth hour for my family, as much as possible.

[Denscity]

I am if i remember. My city is competing against our two neighbour cities.

[canlefty]

I'm turning everything electric I've got on for that hour... hopefully Calgary will buck the trend for two years in a row and show another increase in consumption....

For you "green" folks, I'm doing this in a hope to keep some of Alberta's more "environmentally friendly" variable loads in use... If we all shut off the power here, there would be nothing left but our base load of coal plants.

Now it didn't take me $25 million to make this slogan (and it shows!), but I urge other Albertans to join me in "Increased ratio of green power source day" wherein Albertans are encouraged to increase their electricity consumption to keep the use of Natural Gas plants, wind farms and other lower-than-coal emissions sources active!!!!

TOGETHER WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION :banana: :notacrook:

[WhereverIRoam]

Earth Hour is more of a symbolic thing, and I'd rather pay attention to something symbolic than nothing at all. Of course it's not going to make a significant change, everyone knows that, but this is the equivalent of refusing to give a homeless guy a sandwich because he'll still be homeless tomorrow. It's the thought that counts, and I see nothing wrong with millions of people around the world stopping for an hour and recognizing the need to reduce our consumption.

[MrOilers]

Awesome. I'm going to turn on all my lights, power up all my electic devices in the home, and encourage my friends to do the same.

[manny_santos]

Awesome. I'm going to turn on all my lights, power up all my electic devices in the home, and encourage my friends to do the same.

I'll be watching Hockey Night in Canada. Hopefully Don Cherry will say the same thing I am.

[youngregina]

Awesome. I'm going to turn on all my lights, power up all my electic devices in the home, and encourage my friends to do the same.

While i see your side of it and the knowledge that earth hour accomplishes nothing other than awareness - your statement will be taken as ignorant at best.

Also, the City of Regina will be participating in earth hour. As did my school today - where the basement level of our school (Sheldon-Williams Collegiate) challenged the other two levels of our school to turn of the lights for 3rd period.

[sammo]

no.

this whole 'man-made' global warming (-or is it cooling today?) is bullshit/junkscience. Cause-du jour. for libs.

Al GoreLeone did not invent the internet but he sure did invent global warming.

wake me when the climate is... 'stable' for a decade -now there's a cause for concern.

[MrOilers]

While i see your side of it and the knowledge that earth hour accomplishes nothing other than awareness - your statement will be taken as ignorant at best.


Well, I was kidding. I don't know what time Earth Hour is supposed to be, and if I did I would likely forget anyway. Petty activism like this just doesn't matter to me.

[Distill3d]

whilst in principle i'll be observing Earth Hour (my home lights, TV, and computer will be shut off), i will be at the Rockin' The Foundation (http://donate.bccancerfoundation.com/site/TR?pg=fund&fr_id=1250&pxfid=5050) benefit concert at the Burnaby Winter Club.

[Yume-sama]

I'm all for them turning off the lights early at the Saddledome tomorrow if the game isn't going according to plan...

[MolsonExport]

no.

this whole 'man-made' global warming (-or is it cooling today?) is bullshit/junkscience. Cause-du jour. for libs.

.


are you a scientist?

[sammo]

:previous:

more than Al.

[Bedford_DJ]

I'm going to end-up observing it but not necessairily because its Earth Hour.

I have a dance competition tomorrow night so I'll be out of the house, therefore all of the lights will be off (and other electronics) and well where I'm going is going to be very dark anyways.

I was always taught to turn off the lights when possible so Earth Hour isn't really a change for me.

[vid]

It isn't supposed to "solve" the problem, it's supposed to show you that you can control the situation through small, simple acts.

Thunder Bay saw a decrease of about 9% of power use during last year's earth hour.

[Denscity]

Albertans sound about as green as oranges. It sure makes a huge difference which side of the Rockies you're on.

[vid]

Last night's Ideas on CBC Radio One was an updated version of the story of Ebeneezer Scrooge by Margaret Atwood, relating to the planet's well being, and it was very good, but no Albertans would have heard it because they're "too good" for the CBC.

It made a very good point about how all of the wealth we have comes from the earth and we are forever indebted to it. Part of the payments back to the earth include taking care of our environment, or we will face our death. Rich as Alberta will be, it won't last for ever. Once your money is gone, and it will go, you're going to be left with one of the worst ecological disasters on the planet. Northern Ontario is experiencing this today. Many communities here are contaminated, people are dying because where they live is toxic to them, we can't sustain ourselves on our own land because eating large quantities of animals from this region will poison us. We're one of the poorest places in the country. But Ontario fought tooth and nail for us in the 1800s because of our "vast wealth", and continues to demand we remain part of their landmass. This is your future, Alberta. Places like Kashechewan, Pikangikum, Atikokan and Terrace Bay represent what Alberta will be like when the oil dries up and the money runs out. It could even be worse. Our wealth is dependent on a resource that can be wholly renewed in one lifetime. Yours will take millions if years to come back. If it even ever does.

[dtgeek]

"Earth Hour" is one of the most utterly stupid activism activities ever conceived. If everyone actually participates, the power grid would break down; it is not designed to handle the stress of such a spike in usage, and then the second spike when people turn their stuff back on. Basically, if this foolishness were executed the way it's intended, power companies would be doing emergency shutdowns of power plants, and we'd end up with massive blackouts lasting perhaps days while the grid was brought back up. The event would cause more pollution, and massive losses of time and productivity. Just a terrible and ridiculous idea.

[vid]

"Earth Hour" is one of the most utterly stupid activism activities ever conceived. If everyone actually participates, the power grid would break down; it is not designed to handle the stress of such a spike in usage, and then the second spike when people turn their stuff back on. Basically, if this foolishness were executed the way it's intended, power companies would be doing emergency shutdowns of power plants, and we'd end up with massive blackouts lasting perhaps days while the grid was brought back up. The event would cause more pollution, and massive losses of time and productivity. Just a terrible and ridiculous idea.

The grid in Thunder Bay survived a 9% drop last year and this region has so much energy that building a wind farm here is currently illegal.

[dtgeek]

It made a very good point about how all of the wealth we have comes from the earth and we are forever indebted to it.

I strongly disagree with that statement. While the Earth is certainly responsible for much our wealth, human ingenuity and innovation are surely the primary factors, and undoubtedly the main cause of our advancement. We had advanced civilizations and wealth long before we started to destroy the planet. Taking advantage of the planet gained us some major breakthroughs, but the majority of scientific and technological progress does not depend on non-renewable resources; indeed, much recent progress has gone towards improving the sustainability of our lifestyle.

[dtgeek]

The grid in Thunder Bay survived a 9% drop last year and this region has so much energy that building a wind farm here is currently illegal.

A 100% drop, or even whatever "Earth Hour" is aiming for (presumably much larger than 9%), would be catastrophic everywhere, including Thunder Bay.

[vid]

A 100% drop, or even whatever "Earth Hour" is aiming for (presumably much larger than 9%), would be catastrophic everywhere, including Thunder Bay.

They don't want a 100% drop. They want people to turn off the things they aren't using for one hour to realize that they can go without for a little while.

There is such thing as a logical middle ground, whether you want to believe it or not.

I strongly disagree with that statement. While the Earth is certainly responsible for much our wealth, human ingenuity and innovation are surely the primary factors, and undoubtedly the main cause of our advancement.

Listen to part five. (http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/massey.html)

We had advanced civilizations and wealth long before we started to destroy the planet.

No, we have been destroying the planet since we had "advanced" civilizations. Look at Rapa Nui, or the Aztecs. Civilizations that changed their local environment so much that it almost entirely wiped them out.

Taking advantage of the planet gained us some major breakthroughs, but the majority of scientific and technological progress does not depend on non-renewable resources; indeed, much recent progress has gone towards improving the sustainability of our lifestyle.

Part five. (http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/massey.html)

[manny_santos]

What the media has not reported is how much electricity spikes in the hour or two leading up to Earth Hour. The net electricity usage for the entire day is likely roughly the same, even if it goes down 9% during the actual Earth Hour.

The media has not been reporting on Earth Hour in a balanced way. CP24 this morning was championing it in its report without any criticism.

[Bigtime]

I'm all for them turning off the lights early at the Saddledome tomorrow if the game isn't going according to plan...

I have no problem with this plan either! :haha:

Albertans sound about as green as oranges. It sure makes a huge difference which side of the Rockies you're on.

Don't some oranges start out green? :P I won't even acknowledge your narrow-minded view on those of us on the 'wrong' side of the rockies. :rolleyes:

[Rise_of_the_West]

I heard something quite interesting that relates to earth hour.

How the power system works is with 3 "teirs" of production

1) Base load: (30-50% of maximal use) which consists of coal (or nuclear if available). These plants are always on, and hardly ever get turned off since they produce power so cheaply and are really hard to turn back on once shut off. More can be found at : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_load

2) Load Following plants are the next step up and follow the energy use during the day. These often consist of gas turbines or hydro. Since these plants are much easier to shut off and start up again, they are used to follow the peaks during the day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_following_power_plant

3) Peak Plants consist of mostly renewables such as wind, solar, and such. These are brought online only when demand is high and are bumped off the grid when not needed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaking_power_plant

So if everyone participates in earth hour by turning off all their lights, this will cause a ~15% reduction in demand for the grid. Guess what gets turned off first? Thats right, the renewables. In effect, earth hour is more enviromentally unfriendly then keeping your lights on since it reduces the ammount of renewable energy sources on the power grid.

[Sir.Humphrey.Appleby]

Your close, but it is a little different from what you described. Electricity production is based mostly on marginal cost of production. Alberta and Southern Ontario have very different hierarchies for power production.

In Alberta it goes like this

Baseload: Coal, limited hydro, combined cycle natural gas

Load following/peak: Natural Gas (single turbine)

Intermittent Renewable: Wind

Intermittent Renewable offset: Natural Gas

In Ontario, in is like this:

Baseload: Nuclear, vast majority of hydro

Load following/peak: Coal, Natural Gas

Intermittent Renewable: Wind

Intermittent Renewable offset: Natural GasRenewables do not get turned on and off at the flip of a switch, they operate whenever the environment allows they to. When demands drops below the baseload, it does make sense to turn off their offset plants, as the grid can handle that with surplus supply. And when demand is below baseload, it isn't like renewables offset any pollution, just like they largely don't when demand is above baseload. In Ontario which after they close the coal plants will only produce power from hydro, nuclear and natural gas, wind farms make little sense (and solar even less sense).

As for hydro being load following, it doesn't really make much sense to do so, unless your hydro + nuclear component is so high that there is tremendous extra capacity. In Ontario it makes sense at night to export as much hydro and nuclear electricity as possible into the Ohio Valley to reduce coal emissions (and make money). This of course isn't the case everywhere. In BC, they idle some hydro plant to import coal power from Alberta during the nigh (to save money)


I heard something quite interesting that relates to earth hour.

How the power system works is with 3 "teirs" of production

1) Base load: (30-50% of maximal use) which consists of coal (or nuclear if available). These plants are always on, and hardly ever get turned off since they produce power so cheaply and are really hard to turn back on once shut off. More can be found at : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_load

2) Load Following plants are the next step up and follow the energy use during the day. These often consist of gas turbines or hydro. Since these plants are much easier to shut off and start up again, they are used to follow the peaks during the day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_following_power_plant

3) Peak Plants consist of mostly renewables such as wind, solar, and such. These are brought online only when demand is high and are bumped off the grid when not needed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaking_power_plant

So if everyone participates in earth hour by turning off all their lights, this will cause a ~15% reduction in demand for the grid. Guess what gets turned off first? Thats right, the renewables. In effect, earth hour is more enviromentally unfriendly then keeping your lights on since it reduces the ammount of renewable energy sources on the power grid.

[Wooster]

Albertans sound about as green as oranges. It sure makes a huge difference which side of the Rockies you're on.

Does being on the other side of the rockies make you want to dump raw sewage into the water?

In certain respects Alberta has a long way to go in terms of environmental protection. In particular, because it doesn't have the luxury of hydro-powered electricity production. That issue is a challenge to Alberta because of its geography. Obviously, it also is home to a lot of Canada's oil and natural gas supply.

In other areas that it has more control over and has less to do with its geography, including stormwater treatment, sewage treatment, Edmonton's recycling program there are scarcely better performers on the planet. Calgary was ranked by the United Nations as "the healthiest city in the world" in terms of air pollution levels, availability and quality of hospitals and medical supplies, as well as the efficiency of waste removal and sewage systems. For a relatively young primarily post war city - Calgary also has very good transit ridership, and an LRT system that runs on wind power. So in certain areas it excels.

I don't think there is an attitude of ambivalence about the environment in Alberta for the most part. However, with an economy that relies heavily on fossil fuels, people want to both protect its environment, but not totally at the expense of its economic well being. People in Alberta want the oilsands cleaned up and extracted responsibly, I don't think there's any question about that.

I really don't think it's very much different in places like British Columbia who also has oil and natural gas production and a lot of natural resource industries like forestry, which is not exactly the most environmentally friendly activity. Saskatchewan relies heavily on oil and so does Newfoundland.

Ontario relies extremely heavily on automobile manufacturing, and although the environmental effects of its products aren't usually attributed to Ontario, look at the cumulative effects of the automobile on the efficiency and quality of our cities, global warming and smog. There's no other jurisdiction in North America that produces more cars than Ontario. It's no co-incidence that when Kyoto was supposed to go into effect in Canada that the auto industry was exempt! It simply would have been too costly to jobs and the overall economy. Toronto also sends hundreds of diesel trucks hundreds of kms and to a different country to dispose much of its waste and recyling! Now does that make Ontarians ambivalent to the environment? I don't necessarily think so.

[matt602]

I conserve electricity every day, and that makes more of a difference in the long run than just doing it for an hour because "they" say I should.

[vid]

Thunder Bay's coal plant doesn't seem to produce emissions very much (at least not visible emissions) so I am assuming it is down for parts of the year. I don't think it even has to operate in summer, at least not at full capacity. Our hydro-electric generation as well as the limited renewable energy we do have is about enough to cover it.

Wind only works in Ontario along lakes. Thunder Bay is one of the best places to put a wind farm in the entire GLS. As for solar, Northwestern Ontario is again the sunniest place in eastern Canada (east of the Manitoba-Ontario border) and it is actually feasible here. There are four large scale solar energy projects in Northwestern Ontario (1 in Thunder Bay, 3 in Dryden) that are on hold because we have a surplus of energy due to the coal plants, and there is a massive wind farm that begins construction in Shuniah this year. These three projects are supposed to help supplement the conversion of our coal plants to biomass (using waste from forestry operations, which burns cleaner than coal and oil) as they will produce less energy after the conversion, which I think is set for 2014. (Originally it was set for 2007.)

[Slug]

Some guy on our street turned on his Xmas lights.

[mersar]

From what they said on Global tonight, it sounds like Calgary had a ~1% drop in usage during the hour, compared to a +3% increase last year.

[Yume-sama]

They turned off the concourse lights at the Saddledome during tonights game vs. the Wild. Was a bit... odd. It was dark, and packed, and the hallways are so small you can barely make it around while well-lit. They also had the LED displays "dimmed" during the hour. The Calgary Tower, however, decided to light up with Green lights, though I'm sure they turned it off for that hour. At least nobody paid them to light the torch for the hour.

Worked so well it was snowing like crazy by the time the game ended!

[waterloowarrior]

At 9:30 p.m., the conclusion of the second global Earth Hour, the meter at Toronto Hydro's control centre that measures city-wide electricity demand hit 2,545 megawatts – 15 per cent below typical demand at that time and 7 per cent below the lowest demand during Earth Hour in 2008.

Toronto's reduction of 455 megawatts was larger than the cumulative savings of the entire GTA during last year's event.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/610053

[vid]

AND THE CITY DIDN'T EXPLODE! IMAGINE THAT!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

[osirisboy]

I cant believe some on here not wanting to conserve power, whats wrong with you people?? Its about turning off things you arent using, its that fuckin simple.

[Bigtime]

The Calgary Tower, however, decided to light up with Green lights, though I'm sure they turned it off for that hour. At least nobody paid them to light the torch for the hour.

The Calgary tower did switch off its lights for the hour. I was surprised that the Saddledome didn't turn off the exterior signage lights during that time.

[Aylmer]

I participated. Twice. Because I got the wrong Saturday, so I did it on Friday too.

I conserve energy whenever it's possible, including not using the dryer (EVER.), the car and keeping heating and cooling to a minimum.

For all you idiots who turned all your lights on, I am really dissapointed that your weren't electrocuted while turning on a switch. It would have done good for the planet.

Sorry, Aggressive Grano moment.

But seriously, would turing off your lights, or just having the social conscience to just not turn on everything, be so blinking hard?

It is incredible how many brilliant minds have ''rebelled'' and showed why society is unable to move beyond an egoïstic obsession.

:)

[Bigtime]

Earth Hour last night in Calgary

Before:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3591/3394555097_2ccedeaf0f_b.jpg

After:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3617/3394558213_5785842b15_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3607/3394560795_e096760f41_b.jpg

[Bedford_DJ]

Nova Scotia Power reported a 15MW drop this year. Almost double that of 2008's. :)

[osirisboy]

I participated. Twice. Because I got the wrong Saturday, so I did it on Friday too.

I conserve energy whenever it's possible, including not using the dryer (EVER.), the car and keeping heating and cooling to a minimum.

For all you idiots who turned all your lights on, I am really dissapointed that your weren't electrocuted while turning on a switch. It would have done good for the planet.

Sorry, Aggressive Grano moment.

But seriously, would turing off your lights, or just having the social conscience to just not turn on everything, be so blinking hard?

It is incredible how many brilliant minds have ''rebelled'' and showed why society is unable to move beyond an egoïstic obsession.

:)


AGREED!!! anyone who purposely sets out to waste energy are fuckin losers!!

[Sir.Humphrey.Appleby]

^ The thing is, earth hour accomplishes nothing. Society as a whole is not willing to conserve beyond token amounts by moral suasion alone. In Toronto they have even banned per unit metering in apartment buildings, which would be the single biggest conservation measure ever!

Canadian's also rejected conservation by market forces in the last election. The people sure like to reduce energy use when it is other people, but certainly not when it is there use.

Ontario is already accomplishing a huge thing for the climate by closing down their coal power plants. It is a huge thing. Reductions in the neighborhood of 27 megatonnes. That is almost 10% of Canada's industrial emissions in one policy change. Same with New Brunswick deciding to keep their nuclear plant active. These actions have huge results in emissions without any hardship to the average person.

Oh, and for Thunder Bay wanting solar plants, solar has got to be the least cost effective way to generate power. Just because you can't see emissions from your coal plant doesn't mean they aren't there. Coal plants these days scrub out almost all things visible, and toxic. It does not mean there are not emissions.
2007 numbers.
Facility http://www.ec.gc.ca/pdb/ghg/onlinedata/images/ASCarrow.gif (http://www.ec.gc.ca/pdb/ghg/onlinedata/table_e.cfm?sortC=fname&sortD=DESC&year=2007&gasorcas=gas&gas=A&cas=A&fac_name=&npri_id=&c_local=C&prov=9&city=49&postal=&naics=A) Reporting Company (http://www.ec.gc.ca/pdb/ghg/onlinedata/table_e.cfm?sortC=rname&sortD=ASC&year=2007&gasorcas=gas&gas=A&cas=A&fac_name=&npri_id=&c_local=C&prov=9&city=49&postal=&naics=A) City (http://www.ec.gc.ca/pdb/ghg/onlinedata/table_e.cfm?sortC=city&sortD=ASC&year=2007&gasorcas=gas&gas=A&cas=A&fac_name=&npri_id=&c_local=C&prov=9&city=49&postal=&naics=A) Province (http://www.ec.gc.ca/pdb/ghg/onlinedata/table_e.cfm?sortC=prov&sortD=ASC&year=2007&gasorcas=gas&gas=A&cas=A&fac_name=&npri_id=&c_local=C&prov=9&city=49&postal=&naics=A) Greenhouse Gas (tonnes CO2e) CO2 (http://www.ec.gc.ca/pdb/ghg/onlinedata/table_e.cfm?sortC=co2eq&sortD=DESC&year=2007&gasorcas=gas&gas=A&cas=A&fac_name=&npri_id=&c_local=C&prov=9&city=49&postal=&naics=A) CH4 (http://www.ec.gc.ca/pdb/ghg/onlinedata/table_e.cfm?sortC=ch4eq&sortD=DESC&year=2007&gasorcas=gas&gas=A&cas=A&fac_name=&npri_id=&c_local=C&prov=9&city=49&postal=&naics=A) N2O (http://www.ec.gc.ca/pdb/ghg/onlinedata/table_e.cfm?sortC=n2oeq&sortD=DESC&year=2007&gasorcas=gas&gas=A&cas=A&fac_name=&npri_id=&c_local=C&prov=9&city=49&postal=&naics=A) HFCs (http://www.ec.gc.ca/pdb/ghg/onlinedata/table_e.cfm?sortC=hfceq&sortD=DESC&year=2007&gasorcas=gas&gas=A&cas=A&fac_name=&npri_id=&c_local=C&prov=9&city=49&postal=&naics=A) PFCs (http://www.ec.gc.ca/pdb/ghg/onlinedata/table_e.cfm?sortC=pfceq&sortD=DESC&year=2007&gasorcas=gas&gas=A&cas=A&fac_name=&npri_id=&c_local=C&prov=9&city=49&postal=&naics=A) SF6 (http://www.ec.gc.ca/pdb/ghg/onlinedata/table_e.cfm?sortC=sf6eq&sortD=DESC&year=2007&gasorcas=gas&gas=A&cas=A&fac_name=&npri_id=&c_local=C&prov=9&city=49&postal=&naics=A) Total (tonnes CO2 eq) (http://www.ec.gc.ca/pdb/ghg/onlinedata/table_e.cfm?sortC=total_emission_eq&sortD=DESC&year=2007&gasorcas=gas&gas=A&cas=A&fac_name=&npri_id=&c_local=C&prov=9&city=49&postal=&naics=A)
Thunder Bay Generating Station (http://www.ec.gc.ca/pdb/ghg/onlinedata/FacilityAndGHG_e.cfm?facil=1049&year=2007) Ontario Power Generation Inc. Thunder Bay Ontario (http://www.ec.gc.ca/pdb/ghg/onlinedata/table_e.cfm?c_local=P&prov=9&year=2007) 707,217.00 84.00 5,270.00 712,571.00

This also doesn't countAtikokan which is another 754,148 tonnes, which helps supply the Thunder Bay area.

[caltrane74]

BEFORE

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3537/3393486389_8f7f5c28e9_o.jpg


AFTER

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3594/3393486345_95f62e16ce_o.jpg



photos from WWF - Canada posted at www.flickr.com for Earth Hour

[cranium]

Striking TO before and after shots! Question is; why are so many lights on in the first place?

[borgo100]

Striking TO before and after shots! Question is; why are so many lights on in the first place?

because lights make cities look bad ass at night

[SpongeG]

i thought it was odd that CBC was doing "LIVE" coverage of earth hour

if viewers are supposed to turn their TV's off for it - how does anyone watch it? :koko:

never did it anyway - but the 10 or so hours i am at work most days the lights and pretty much everything in my apartment is off

[caltrane74]

More before and afters...

Before

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3613/3393510831_c3af745872_o.jpg

After

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/3394321816_60fc83e79c_o.jpg

from wvs at www.flickr.com

[manny_santos]

More before and afters...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/3394321816_60fc83e79c_o.jpg

from wvs at www.flickr.com

Never mind the lack of lighting, who is Chalk Master and how do I send him/her a donation? :D

[vid]

I already made that joke at SSC. :) He sounds really nice. I'm intrigued at what he would do for 20 dollars. I know here, 20 dollars gets you a lot of things.

[Wooster]

It looks like Toronto turned on extra lights prior to earth hour just for effect. I've never seen that many downtown office tower lights on at 8:00 on a Saturday night. 80% of floors at first Canadian Place had lights blazing! Man, those bankers are working hard these days!

[Bigtime]

It looks like Toronto turned on extra lights prior to earth hour just for effect. I've never seen that many downtown office tower lights on at 8:00 on a Saturday night. 80% of floors at first Canadian Place had lights blazing! Man, those bankers are working hard these days!

Not to belittle the effort Toronto makes (which is huge) but I was thinking the same thing.

As I sat out on my balcony Saturday night waiting for 8:30 I was thinking about how it wasn't even really dark in Calgary yet. Even on a regular night all the office towers wouldn't have had their roof lights or logos lit up yet by 8:30! So my before picture lacked the 'punch' that I think a picture taken later at night would have had.

[sammo]

now the weather is fucked! thanx to you hippies, its freezing in toronto today!

And i declare, cities look dreadful without their lights.:)

[vid]

Thunder Bay Hydro is reporting minimal change from the previous weekend at the same time. :rolleyes: Oh well. At least I saved a few cents.

[wayward_prince]

man made global warming is crap. if you need to get 'moral' about something, perhaps look inward.

[MolsonExport]

^wow, such a powerful argument. The results of all those tens of thousands of studies conducted by thousands of scientists are rendered moot.



The world is flat. The Apollo moon-landing program was a complete hoax. The knights of Malta secretly run the world, with help from the Masonic Lodge. AIDS is God's wrath against homosexuals. The earth is less than 8000 years old.

[sammo]

Wayward Prince is right.

There is absolutely no consensus by scientists that global warming is man made. the issue has become highly politicized -mostly by left wing, anti capitalists that love to blame capitalism/industrialism for the every 'unusual' weather event(like W-his policies, caused Katrina :koko: ) Scientists can easily get government grants & funding if they tow this popular political lie du jour for their lemming subjects.
Today it's a silly 'Earth Hour' - tommorrow an extra charge on your tax bill. later the gestapo penalizing people for not having the proper light bulbs. soon enuf, time in jail if you don't pay your carbon footprint fee.
And we've subltly gone from global warming to climate change. Real smooth.
Remember in the late 70's, scientists proclaimed we were currently undergoing a global cooling period?
Plus, the time frame for noticable change is going to be approx. 10-no!, 25years!! -sure.(perfect, the dumbies can scream with impunity for decades without having to substantiate their claims)

So tell me, what temperature should the planet be?
How does one measure the temperature of the whole planet simultaneously?
How did the planet 'recover' from the last phase of global waming/cooling when Encino man wasn't cruising around in his suv?
who's causing global warming on Mars?

do me a favor. make it rain wed. may the 13th from 2-4pm.



p.s. even your hero/leader(big scientist-who won't debate his claims) Al Goreleone (who's family built its wealth on oil!) 'forgot' to turn the lights of his modest lil MANSION in Tenn. out last saturday! -was probably busy jetting around the planet telling poor blokes to reduce their carbon footprint. Of course he can afford to BUY carbon offsets - from himself! (so it's all good)

[caltrane74]

Wayward Prince is right.

There is absolutely no consensus by scientists that global warming is man made. the issue has become highly politicized -mostly by left wing, anti capitalists that love to blame capitalism/industrialism for the every 'unusual' weather event(like W-his policies, caused Katrina :koko: ) Scientist can easily get government grants & funding if they tow this popular political lie du jour for their lemming subjects.
Today it's a silly 'Earth Hour' - tommorrow an extra charge on your tax bill. later the gestapo penalizing people for not having the proper light bulbs. soon enuf, time in jail if you don't pay your carbon footprint fee?
And we've subltly gone from global warming to climate change. Real smooth.
Remember in the late 70's scientist proclaimed we were currently undergoing a global cooling period?
Plus, the time frame for noticable change is goning to be approx. 10-no, 25years! -sure.(perfect, the dumbies can scream with impunity for decades without having to substantiate their claims)

So tell me, what temperature should the planet be?
How does one measure the temperature of the whole planet simultaneously?
How did the planet recover from the last phase of global waming/cooling come to pass when Encino man wasn't cruising in his suv?
who's causing global warming on Mars?

do me a favor. make it rain for me wed. may the 13th from 2-4pm.



p.s. even your hero/leader(big scientist-who won't debate his claims) Al Goreleone (who's family built its wealth on oil!) 'forgot to turn the lights out his his modest lil MANSION in tenn. last satuday. was probably busy jetting around the planet telling poor blokes to reduce their carbon footprint. of course he can afford to BUY carbon offsets - from himself! (so it's all good)

oh, lord sammo...not again!!!!!!!!!

[MolsonExport]

Wayward Prince is right.

There is absolutely no consensus by scientists that global warming is man made. the issue has become highly politicized -mostly by left wing, anti capitalists that love to blame capitalism/industrialism for the every 'unusual' weather event(like W-his policies, caused Katrina :koko: ) Scientist can easily get government grants & funding if they tow this popular political lie du jour for their lemming subjects.
Today it's a silly 'Earth Hour' - tommorrow an extra charge on your tax bill. later the gestapo penalizing people for not having the proper light bulbs. soon enuf, time in jail if you don't pay your carbon footprint fee?
And we've subltly gone from global warming to climate change. Real smooth.
Remember in the late 70's scientist proclaimed we were currently undergoing a global cooling period?
Plus, the time frame for noticable change is goning to be approx. 10-no, 25years! -sure.(perfect, the dumbies can scream with impunity for decades without having to substantiate their claims)

So tell me, what temperature should the planet be?
How does one measure the temperature of the whole planet simultaneously?
How did the planet recover from the last phase of global waming/cooling come to pass when Encino man wasn't cruising in his suv?
who's causing global warming on Mars?

do me a favor. make it rain for me wed. may the 13th from 2-4pm.



p.s. even your hero/leader(big scientist-who won't debate his claims) Al Goreleone (who's family built its wealth on oil!) 'forgot to turn the lights out his his modest lil MANSION in tenn. last satuday. was probably busy jetting around the planet telling poor blokes to reduce their carbon footprint. of course he can afford to BUY carbon offsets - from himself! (so it's all good)

"sammo can, different label."

[MrOilers]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v315/Blackjebus/EarthHourNKorea.jpg

[sammo]

oh, lord sammo...not again!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry Cal.

sometimes i get to drink'n and the truth just spills out. :)

[vid]

So tell me, what temperature should the planet be?

Around 14°C. Carbon dioxide, water vapour, methane and ozone form a barrier that traps heat--without them, earth would have an average temperature of -18°C.

How does one measure the temperature of the whole planet simultaneously?

Earth's average temperature is figured out by finding the average of the annual mean temperatures from weather stations located in various places on the earth's surface.

How did the planet 'recover' from the last phase of global waming/cooling when Encino man wasn't cruising in his suv?

It's part of a natural cycle, one which according to recent evidence is happening much faster than it appears to have in the past. The most common explaination being that greenhouse gases, primarily carbon dioxide and methane, were lower then. That is, global warming and cooling is part of a natural cycle (and it isn't uniform; some places will appear unaffected and others might see a reverse trend) that is being exacerbated by human contributions to the greenhouse gases.

who's causing global warming on Mars?

Mars doesn't have much of an atmosphere, it is quite different from Earth. It's like comparing and orange and a softball. The changes in the sun affect Mars much more than they affect Earth because its magnetic field is weaker and it doesn't have an Ozone layer or many greenhouse gases. Venus, which has many times the amount of greenhouse gases as the Earth, is considerably warmer then Mercury, which has almost no atmosphere, even though the latter is much closer to the sun.

Why is Venus hotter than Mercury, even though it is farther from the sun?

do me a favor. make it rain for me wed. may the 13th from 2-4pm.

You've just confused weather (http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather) with climate (http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate), which has debased your entire argument. You can't argue something you don't understand!

[dtgeek]

There is absolutely no consensus by scientists that global warming is man made.

Actually, there is OVERWHELMING consensus by scientists. Most of the dissenters have been funded by the Bush administration or the oil companies. In peer reviewed journal and conference papers the matter is completely one-sided. It's really only in the mainstream media that you'll see claims that man isn't the major contributor to the major climate change we are beginning to experience.

That said, Earth Hour is still a stupid idea.

p.s. even your hero/leader(big scientist-who won't debate his claims) Al Goreleone (who's family built its wealth on oil!) 'forgot to turn the lights out his his modest lil MANSION in tenn. last satuday. was probably busy jetting around the planet telling poor blokes to reduce their carbon footprint. of course he can afford to BUY carbon offsets - from himself! (so it's all good)

Maybe he agrees that Earth Hour is a silly form of protest.

Do yourself a favor and watch _An Inconvenient Truth_. The evidence is crystal clear, and the arguments presented are beyond reproach.

[sammo]

Do yourself a favor and watch _An Inconvenient Truth_. The evidence is crystal clear, and the arguments presented are beyond reproach.

:haha: :haha: :haha:

[vid]

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Ignorance is bliss.

[Aylmer]

Wayward Prince is right.

There is absolutely no consensus by scientists that global warming is man made. the issue has become highly politicized -mostly by left wing, anti capitalists that love to blame capitalism/industrialism for the every 'unusual' weather event(like W-his policies, caused Katrina :koko: ) Scientist can easily get government grants & funding if they tow this popular political lie du jour for their lemming subjects.
Today it's a silly 'Earth Hour' - tommorrow an extra charge on your tax bill. later the gestapo penalizing people for not having the proper light bulbs. soon Enif, time in jail if you don't pay your carbon footprint fee?
And we've subltly gone from global warming to climate change. Real smooth.
Remember in the late 70's scientist proclaimed we were currently undergoing a global cooling period?
Plus, the time frame for noticable change is going to be approx. 10-no, 25years! -sure.(perfect, the dumbies can scream with impunity for decades without having to substantiate their claims)

So tell me, what temperature should the planet be?
How does one measure the temperature of the whole planet simultaneously?
How did the planet 'recover' from the last phase of global waming/cooling when Encino man wasn't cruising in his suv?
who's causing global warming on Mars?

do me a favor. make it rain for me wed. may the 13th from 2-4pm.



p.s. even your hero/leader(big scientist-who won't debate his claims) Al Goreleone (who's family built its wealth on oil!) 'forgot to turn the lights out his his modest lil MANSION in tenn. last satuday. was probably busy jetting around the planet telling poor blokes to reduce their carbon footprint. of course he can afford to BUY carbon offsets - from himself! (so it's all good)

No offense, but I'm in 8th grade, and I find that undeniably - for a lack of a better word - Stupid (accent on the ''y'' sound between S and T).

I'm not sure which god-forsaken hole you live in, but intelligence sure doesn't get in, and, judging from your post, doesn't come out either.

Please, ask ANYONE who has a high-school diploma (heck, anybody who passed Kindergarten) whether Global-warming exists, and send me the results.

I am a person who is ready to accept almost any consensus on any given subject, but that is a fact. No matter how much you argue, it remains a fact.
To put this in perspective, try arguing that Paris is a hoax; You have never seen it yourself (Well, if you have, just replace Paris by anywhere on this planet), you may have seen pictures (comparable to graphs showing Global warming and the quantity of CO2 that countries emit), but they don't mean anything. They are obviously doctored. The French have successfully pulled the wool over our eyes.

To counter this theoretical argument, I might tell you to get a life or some other way of getting out of your hole of a world. But no matter what you or I say about it, it remains a fact. Paris is, in fact, existent.

But I digress.

Please, Please do not express this opinion to anyone, because you won't get very far in life with that level of environmental consciousness.

PS.: There is a downloadable auto-correction software for posts.

:)

[sammo]

No offense, but I'm in 8th grade, and I find that undeniably - for a lack of a better word - Stupid (accent on the ''y'' sound between S and T).
Please, ask ANYONE who has a high-school diploma (heck, anybody who passed Kindergarten) whether Global-warming exists, and send me the results.

:)

Try to remember or focus my (young)fellow blogger, the issue is man-made global warming.
No doubt, global warming and cooling happen. -always have.
I'm sure in your grade6 global-warming-re-education-class, the teacher may have let it slip that in the first part of the 20th century the average temperature in the U.S. increased 1 to 2 degrees. Then, for the next quarter century, temperatures started to decrease. And this period is really just an insignificant sliver of time if you care to look at the big picture.
It's just that today, young 'progressives' get very hysterical when it comes to 'climate' (-long term weather patterns).
The ultimate goal is to tax and control freedoms of the malleable.... 'yous' of the world.

And no offense taken. Remember, i am not you.
You, like many others, constitute 'the masses'. Your ideas and subsequent rebuttals are predictable. and very, very painfully funny!
I'm sure that if i said i thought you or your ideas where stupid, you'd be 'bothered'. I will, however, suggest for you to kindly confine your concerns to matters within your province. (-no, i don't mean Ont. type of prov.)

Here's a banana. Sustenance for a young developing brain. :banana: (it's safe, he's organic!)

and please forgive my 'liberal' use of grammar and spelling errs -if they bother you so.
English just ain't my primary language.

[Aylmer]

There is a possibility that climate change is not caused by human kind, but it is most probable that it is. Here's a good simulus: If 9 out of 10 doctors say your child needs life-saving surgery, will you wait for all 10 to agree before taking him/her to ER? Now, in the case of climate change, if all 10 doctors say that your child's sickness originates from a certain chemical you expose him/her to, will you deny that unanimous statement to make it more convenient for you to continue using it?

It is wrong to base your acts on the consensus of a infinitely slim minority, because probability says that you are most probably wrong.

And English is not my first language either.

:)

[mylesmalley]

The French have successfully pulled the wool over our eyes.

I knew it!!!

[Tony]

Wow Sammo, didn't ever realize just how uninformed you are.

FYI, A LOT of people knew about Climate Change before we knew about Al Gore's crusade and well before he made his movie. It's called a High School education that expands beyond the scope of Phys-ed and shop class. You know, the Sciences and Geography?

This thread has told me something for sure though, it's no wonder so many westerners (esp. Albertans) feel isolated & misunderstood.

[sammo]

Hi Tony.

Wow. and you're a moderator? - of this thread ?. Pleased to meet you.:)

How ironic that the masses believe i'm misinformed.

I find it's the young, trained (-not educated) sciolists who blindly push or force an agenda and pronounce the debate over. ("we have consensus!") Today's call to arms; man-made global warming. Time to spend trillions. Time to change your lifestyle.
It's usually naive youths or hard core leftists acting as the union goons.
Unbeknownst to them, they're more or less being used by larger global entities beyond their casual, niave, tree hugging understanding (hint;think gov./media/industrial complex).
They ignore essentials in persute of trifles, quick to point out Co2 stats, synoptic weather maps and cite indoctrination manifestos like "An Inconvenient Truth".
And of course it's always a CRISIS!!!:drowning: -like when AIG and GM needed those billions IMMEDIATELY!!!

Undoughtably, they're have always been periods of warming and cooling -since the beginning of time! Greenland used to be green and Iceland used to be ice. How much is directly due to Handyman's activity and how much Handyman can do to affect climate is the issue. How much energy, time and money to 'fix' something (that can't be 'fixed') is the question. With man's limited resources, they're are priorities, i would think.

But you can't stop the useful idiots.

Some of us recall Hiltler's purging of his 'allies' the Brownshirts in '34 during the "Nacht der Laugen Messer" (Night of the Long Knives), - and combined with Santayana's "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"..., well, you do the math. No, i do not think Al Gore and the power brokers need to kill y'all . Just keep you in your place; tax you, limit your freedoms, choices, etc. But you'll feel sooo good all over, enjoying your rations.

In the mean time fortunes will be made -buying and selling 'carbon offsets', penalizing 'offenders', selling 'environmentally friendly' services, on boondoggle gov. programs, etc. Fortunes will be made, but not by you of course.
Al will still own a jet or two, a mansion or two, multiply his weath... The Goreleones can't live off of coal&oil forever.

Let's just say some of us, feel burdened with this knowledge. We're just styupid.

...go ahead, throw your caca bombs.

[MolsonExport]

^all that may be the case, but none constitutes persuasive rebuttals to the notion of anthropogenic global warming.

[Aylmer]

Hi Tony.

Wow. and you're a moderator? - of this thread ?. Pleased to meet you.:)

How ironic that the masses believe i'm misinformed.

I find it's the young, trained (-not educated) sciolists who blindly push or force an agenda and pronounce the debate over. ("we have consensus!") Today's call to arms; man-made global warming. Time to spend trillions. Time to change your lifestyle.
It's usually naive youths or hard core leftists acting as the union goons.
Unbeknownst to them, they're more or less being used by larger global entities beyond their casual, niave, tree hugging understanding (hint;think gov./media/industrial complex).
They ignore essentials in persute of trifles, quick to point out Co2 stats, synoptic weather maps and cite indoctrination manifestos like "An Inconvenient Truth".
And of course it's always a CRISIS!!!:drowning: -like whe AIG and GM... needed those billions IMMEDIATELY!!!

Undoughtably, they're have always been periods of warming and cooling -since the beginning of time! Greenland used to be green and Iceland used to be ice. How much is directly due to Handyman's activity and how much Handyman can do to affect climate is the issue. How much energy, time and money to 'fix' something (that can't be 'fixed') is the question. With man's limited resources, they're are priorities, i would think.

But you can't stop the useful idiots.

Some of us recall Hiltler's purging of his 'allies' the Brownshirts in '34 during the "Nacht der Laugen Messer" (Night of the Long Knives), - and combined with Santayana's "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"..., well, you do the math. No, i do not think Al Gore and the power brokers need to kill y'all . Just keep you in your place; tax you, limit your freedoms, choices, etc. But you'll feel sooo good all over, enjoying your rations.
In the mean time fortunes will be made -buying and selling 'carbon offsets', penalizing 'offenders', selling 'environmentally friendly' services, on boondoggle gov. programs, etc. Fortunes will be made, but not by you of course.
Al will still own a jet or two, a mansion or two, multiply his weath... The Goreleones can't live off of coal&oil forever.

Let's just say some of us, feel burdened with this knowledge. We're just styupid.

...go ahead, throw your caca bombs.


If we are all wrong and you are right, that means that you obviously know something that general society doesn't. That, again, is possible, but between you and thousands of specialists and scientist, I just don't think that you are right. To put it nicely, T'es dans l'champ. Please inform yourself; You might learn something.

Also, please refer to this list whenever you talk about us leftist-anti-capitalism-hippy-gore-praising-commies:

1. Al Gore is an follower, not a leader.

2. People with an environmental conscious are not a group.

3. We don't have a leader.

4. We are not all left-leaning

5. Anyone, you included, can do what they can to help our earth.


PS: You remember Hitler?

:)

[canlefty]

Ignorance is bliss.

Ah, sweet blissful Ignorance.


"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

- Henry Mencken

[LeftCoaster]

Why are you guys bothering with sammo? He is either:

1) The most unintelligent poster on this forum (A prize with almost endless competition)

or

2) He is some pathetic 17 year old loser with nothing better to do but rile you guys up.

Either way he is not worth a response.

[caltrane74]

If we are all wrong and you are right, that means that you obviously know something that general society doesn't. That, again, is possible, but between you and thousands of specialists and scientist, I just don't think that you are right. To put it nicely, T'es dans l'champ. Please inform yourself; You might learn something.

Also, please refer to this list whenever you talk about us leftist-anti-capitalism-hippy-gore-praising-commies:

1. Al Gore is an follower, not a leader.

2. People with an environmental conscious are not a group.

3. We don't have a leader.

4. We are not all left-leaning

5. Anyone, you included, can do what they can to help our earth.


PS: You remember Hitler?

:)

This is a much better post than your smiley faced emoticons and fruity avatars!!

[Tony]

Know what sammo, you really don't have a leg to stand on. You're all about the conspiracy theories and nothing on the science. I really wouldn't bother but it's the attitude of people like you who are really good at messing things up for everyone else on the planet. Congrats.

[vid]

i'm sciolists niave persute Undoughtably Hiltler's weath

It almost makes sense when you put it that way!

I hope we don't ban this one, he's a riot! :D

[sammo]

Tony, we have something in common!!!

We both HATE Tim Hortons!
DETEST them!
ABHOR them!
DESPISE THEM!
we SCORN them!
LOATH them!
BURN THEM! BURN THEM!
DESTROY THEM! :hell:

-even a broken (and recalcitrant, and stupid) clock can be right twice a day!

[Aylmer]

Tony, we have something in common!!!

We both HATE Tim Hortons!
DETEST them!
ABHOR them!
DESPISE THEM!
we SCORN them!
LOATH them!
BURN THEM! BURN THEM!
DESTROY THEM! :hell:

-even a broken (and recalcitrant, and stupid) clock can be right twice a day!

Well, that was a suprisingly useless comment. (Coming from me, that is a huge accomplishment.)

:)

[sammo]

It almost makes sense when you put it that way!

I hope we don't ban this one, he's a riot! :D

I agree with you on this one vid! :yes:

Not only are my posts inciteful and insightful, they're riotous!
They're 'shocking' and 'rude'(?), especially to the left wing extremists & enviro wackos who come out from the shadows.
Deep down, i think they know MMCC is B.S. They know the earth isn't 'sick'. But they're so heavily invested in this hoax.

Here's what historical climatologist Dr.Timothy F.Ball believes regarding anthropogenic global warming -taking aim at the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) :

"I have said the IPCC focus on CO2 is akin to saying my car is not running well and I am going to determine the cause by ignoring the engine (sun), the transmission (water vapor), and most other mechanical parts and focus on one nut (CO2) on the right rear wheel. Worse, they only look at one thread of the nut, the human portion of CO2. The ease with which they have achieved this degree of focus is frightening, but understandable because it was premeditated."
-I'm sure that if he was to post amongst the intellects here he'd be ostracized, ridiculed, excoriated, admonished... cuz he's a blissfull dummy - like me!

(I hope)In years the 'intellect followers' and grade/high school students will regret propagating this fallacy. The burden of proof is on their shoulders. For crying out loud, recent Antartic ice core samples have shown that the planet's climate has been wildly oscillating for at least the last 800,000 years!!!


It's dissapointing and depressing to think that one could be banished because she angers or annoys some (-maybe even alot?) people on this (democratic) forum.
How illiberal! Besides, who are you going to throw shoes at? -i'll take a shoe.

and i am blissful. :)

[Aylmer]

I agree with you on this one vid! :yes:

Not only are my posts inciteful and insightful, they're riotous!
They're 'shocking' and 'rude'(?), especially to the left wing extremists & enviro wackos who come out from the shadows.
Deep down, i think they know MMCC is B.S. They know the earth isn't 'sick'. But they're so heavily invested in this hoax.

and i am blissfull. :)

Darn it. He sees right through us! We are the devil's advocates who are here to bring down society in general to transform civilization into a communist wasteland.

Since when is saving a planet associated with politics. I'm sure that even the Canadian Fascist Party has an environmental policy.

Get a life and a brain cell.

:)

[MolsonExport]

Timothy F Ball, versus:

Global warming is the increase in the average temperature of the Earth's near-surface air and the oceans since the mid-twentieth century and its projected continuation. Global surface temperature increased 0.74 ± 0.18 °C (1.33 ± 0.32 °F) during the last century. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concludes that anthropogenic greenhouse gases are responsible for most of the observed temperature increase since the middle of the twentieth century, and that natural phenomena such as solar variation and volcanoes probably had a small warming effect from pre-industrial times to 1950 and a small cooling effect afterward. These basic conclusions have been endorsed by more than 40 scientific societies and academies of science, including all of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries.

[vid]

this (democratic) forum

Actually, you only post here with permission and can be banned at any time for any reason, because this forum isn't democratic at all. It is a virtual dictatorship. Almost all internet forums are.

[sammo]

Actually, you only post here with permission and can be banned at any time for any reason, because this forum isn't democratic at all. It is a virtual dictatorship. Almost all internet forums are.

sergeant vid: "sammo! Tun Sie dies und das! Bewegung!"
private sammo: "Jawohl, Herr Unteroffizier!"
(it's German)

MolsonExport, here's an analogy i hope even you'll be able to comprehend. Imagine driving your suv (or rather, ride your bicycle) with a magnifying glass to guide you. You could justifiably be ALARMED!!! at every little crack ,crevice and pot hole you encounter. You could even document and prove the little bumps and dimples exist! ("look at my undisputable photos and stats!") Many ignorant/uninformed and uninterested 'intelligent' sheople would believe you...

Dear AlymerOptimist. :(
Quite frankly, i'm dissappointed in you. You are still young and can correct your wayward logic. You see the elders (those older than 12yrs) casting stones, uttering insults & deaththreats. They sound coherent and have 22million posts! (equiv. to shooting up many rival gangstas) They have the power to kick you out or keep you a mere foot soldier -indefinitely. To be part of the gang, you mimic them. You ape them. They're your homies.
I was counting on you to see the light -have your first satori, sudden 'moment of illumination'. There is still hope. Perhaps you'll become my protege, a mini sammo (sammolito! or Optimisto!) and help spread the truth.
In decades to come you'll be able to tell other misguided youths that it always used to get cold during winter, warm&humid in the summer, we've had bigger hurricanes, floods, forrest fires, storms,etc. in the past...
-carbon, shmarmon...

You can put a lovely, well lit Christm -er, holidaytree up during earth hour! and be blissful! :)

[MolsonExport]

Tell me, Sammo, what scientific studies have you read on the phenomenon of global warming? As a social scientist who conducts research into the environmental activites of consumers, I admit to having some in-depth exposure to the literature. Your rebuttals are 90% insults, 8% arrogance, and 2% arguments (none of the latter very persuasive). Your attitude gives me the impression that you've been here at SSP before, under another alias. Frankly, I doubt you will last long with your current incarnation.

We are all quite impressed that you speak German. What are you trying to imply with these lines (I understand the language, and can speak some of it, but I am under the impression that you are perhaps suggesting that others on this site are behaving like Nazis, when it is you that is behaving the most boorish of all).

And about sheep... what makes you any different because you have decided to cast your lot with the global-warming naysayers? You are accepting the line that they are feeding you. The people who scream "Sheep" are rarely the "shepherd".

If you want to be remembered as the Rush Limbaugh of the Canadian forum, please continue as you were.

[Aylmer]

sergeant vid: "sammo! Tun Sie dies und das! Bewegung!"
private sammo: "Jawohl, Herr Unteroffizier!"
(it's German)


Dummkopf.

Sie sind insgesamt Narr und ignorant großmäulig.

Bitte, geh weg.

Dear AlymerOptimist. :(
Quite frankly, i'm dissappointed in you. You are still young and can correct your wayward logic. You see the elders (those older than 12yrs) casting stones, uttering insults & deaththreats. They sound coherent and have 22million posts! (equiv. to shooting up many rival gangstas) They have the power to kick you out or keep you a mere foot soldier -indefinitely. To be part of the gang, you mimic them. You ape them. They're your homies.
I was counting on you to see the light -have your first satori, sudden 'moment of illumination'. There is still hope. Perhaps you'll become my protege, a mini sammo (sammolito! or Optimisto!) and help spread the truth.
In decades to come you'll be able to tell other misguided youths that it always used to get cold during winter, warm&humid in the summer, we've had bigger hurricanes, floods, forrest fires, storms,etc. in the past...
-carbon, shmarmon...

You can put a lovely, well lit Christm -er, holidaytree up during earth hour! and be blissful! :)

Oh, senseî. Great, honorable leader, Reich, whatever,

In human society, it has been said that one must live and die in a group. That, for the most part is true. Unless you are looking for a good argument, which is all good fun, it is essential for your well-being that one finds a group which reflects one's interests and ideals or a part of one of these. If an argument is used to an extent beyond what is considered proper in a certain circle, you lose credibility. If you continue to push a point, it becomes annoying, then aggravating. Push that point again, and it is most possible that you will be pushed out.
It is good to agree and to disagree on subjects which are subjective and more or less unsolvable. But when you start wandering into the ridiculous, it becomes more and more difficult to prove something against a group with a clear and unilateral opinion.

I'm sure you would be much happier in some other forum which better reflected your opinion on this certain subject, because fighting an uphill battle is a lot less pleasant than fighting a downhill one. The latter is what I prefer doing, but I never back down from an idea which I hold to heart. If the opinion you wish to express is that you don't hold the environment to heart, than you have nothing worth fighting for. Before losing all credibility on this forum, which I fear you have already done in the eyes of many, please abandon this argument.

If you wish to continue, be my guest. I am personally enjoying myself!

:)

[Tony]

This thread is over.