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Roaming
04-08-2009, 09:24 PM
I have always wanted to visit this city, but after reading this article I will never want to set foot there. Slaves? Holding people hostage? Bunch of nasty and inconsiderate residents and Exparts? People with fake smiles and fake plants? Nasty Beaches and Dust Storms? Religious dictatorship? This is all an illusion of a city and it doesn't look like the perfect paradise city as much as it wants to be. :sly:


http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html

The dark side of Dubai
Dubai was meant to be a Middle-Eastern Shangri-La, a glittering monument to Arab enterprise and western capitalism. But as hard times arrive in the city state that rose from the desert sands, an uglier story is emerging. Johann Hari reports

Tuesday, 7 April 2009



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Construction workers in their distinctive blue overalls building the upper floors of the new Burj al-Arab hotel

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The wide, smiling face of Sheikh Mohammed – the absolute ruler of Dubai – beams down on his creation. His image is displayed on every other building, sandwiched between the more familiar corporate rictuses of Ronald McDonald and Colonel Sanders. This man has sold Dubai to the world as the city of One Thousand and One Arabian Lights, a Shangri-La in the Middle East insulated from the dust-storms blasting across the region. He dominates the Manhattan-manqué skyline, beaming out from row after row of glass pyramids and hotels smelted into the shape of piles of golden coins. And there he stands on the tallest building in the world – a skinny spike, jabbing farther into the sky than any other human construction in history.

But something has flickered in Sheikh Mohammed's smile. The ubiquitous cranes have paused on the skyline, as if stuck in time. There are countless buildings half-finished, seemingly abandoned. In the swankiest new constructions – like the vast Atlantis hotel, a giant pink castle built in 1,000 days for $1.5bn on its own artificial island – where rainwater is leaking from the ceilings and the tiles are falling off the roof. This Neverland was built on the Never-Never – and now the cracks are beginning to show. Suddenly it looks less like Manhattan in the sun than Iceland in the desert.

Once the manic burst of building has stopped and the whirlwind has slowed, the secrets of Dubai are slowly seeping out. This is a city built from nothing in just a few wild decades on credit and ecocide, suppression and slavery. Dubai is a living metal metaphor for the neo-liberal globalised world that may be crashing – at last – into history.
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I. An Adult Disneyland

Karen Andrews can't speak. Every time she starts to tell her story, she puts her head down and crumples. She is slim and angular and has the faded radiance of the once-rich, even though her clothes are as creased as her forehead. I find her in the car park of one of Dubai's finest international hotels, where she is living, in her Range Rover. She has been sleeping here for months, thanks to the kindness of the Bangladeshi car park attendants who don't have the heart to move her on. This is not where she thought her Dubai dream would end.

Her story comes out in stutters, over four hours. At times, her old voice – witty and warm – breaks through. Karen came here from Canada when her husband was offered a job in the senior division of a famous multinational. "When he said Dubai, I said – if you want me to wear black and quit booze, baby, you've got the wrong girl. But he asked me to give it a chance. And I loved him."

All her worries melted when she touched down in Dubai in 2005. "It was an adult Disneyland, where Sheikh Mohammed is the mouse," she says. "Life was fantastic. You had these amazing big apartments, you had a whole army of your own staff, you pay no taxes at all. It seemed like everyone was a CEO. We were partying the whole time."

Her husband, Daniel, bought two properties. "We were drunk on Dubai," she says. But for the first time in his life, he was beginning to mismanage their finances. "We're not talking huge sums, but he was getting confused. It was so unlike Daniel, I was surprised. We got into a little bit of debt." After a year, she found out why: Daniel was diagnosed with a brain tumour.

One doctor told him he had a year to live; another said it was benign and he'd be okay. But the debts were growing. "Before I came here, I didn't know anything about Dubai law. I assumed if all these big companies come here, it must be pretty like Canada's or any other liberal democracy's," she says. Nobody told her there is no concept of bankruptcy. If you get into debt and you can't pay, you go to prison.

"When we realised that, I sat Daniel down and told him: listen, we need to get out of here. He knew he was guaranteed a pay-off when he resigned, so we said – right, let's take the pay-off, clear the debt, and go." So Daniel resigned – but he was given a lower pay-off than his contract suggested. The debt remained. As soon as you quit your job in Dubai, your employer has to inform your bank. If you have any outstanding debts that aren't covered by your savings, then all your accounts are frozen, and you are forbidden to leave the country.

"Suddenly our cards stopped working. We had nothing. We were thrown out of our apartment." Karen can't speak about what happened next for a long time; she is shaking.

Daniel was arrested and taken away on the day of their eviction. It was six days before she could talk to him. "He told me he was put in a cell with another debtor, a Sri Lankan guy who was only 27, who said he couldn't face the shame to his family. Daniel woke up and the boy had swallowed razor-blades. He banged for help, but nobody came, and the boy died in front of him."

Karen managed to beg from her friends for a few weeks, "but it was so humiliating. I've never lived like this. I worked in the fashion industry. I had my own shops. I've never..." She peters out.

Daniel was sentenced to six months' imprisonment at a trial he couldn't understand. It was in Arabic, and there was no translation. "Now I'm here illegally, too," Karen says I've got no money, nothing. I have to last nine months until he's out, somehow." Looking away, almost paralysed with embarrassment, she asks if I could buy her a meal.

She is not alone. All over the city, there are maxed-out expats sleeping secretly in the sand-dunes or the airport or in their cars.

"The thing you have to understand about Dubai is – nothing is what it seems," Karen says at last. "Nothing. This isn't a city, it's a con-job. They lure you in telling you it's one thing – a modern kind of place – but beneath the surface it's a medieval dictatorship."


II. Tumbleweed

Thirty years ago, almost all of contemporary Dubai was desert, inhabited only by cactuses and tumbleweed and scorpions. But downtown there are traces of the town that once was, buried amidst the metal and glass. In the dusty fort of the Dubai Museum, a sanitised version of this story is told.

In the mid-18th century, a small village was built here, in the lower Persian Gulf, where people would dive for pearls off the coast. It soon began to accumulate a cosmopolitan population washing up from Persia, the Indian subcontinent, and other Arab countries, all hoping to make their fortune. They named it after a local locust, the daba, who consumed everything before it. The town was soon seized by the gunships of the British Empire, who held it by the throat as late as 1971. As they scuttled away, Dubai decided to ally with the six surrounding states and make up the United Arab Emirates (UAE).

The British quit, exhausted, just as oil was being discovered, and the sheikhs who suddenly found themselves in charge faced a remarkable dilemma. They were largely illiterate nomads who spent their lives driving camels through the desert – yet now they had a vast pot of gold. What should they do with it?

Dubai only had a dribble of oil compared to neighbouring Abu Dhabi – so Sheikh Maktoum decided to use the revenues to build something that would last. Israel used to boast it made the desert bloom; Sheikh Maktoum resolved to make the desert boom. He would build a city to be a centre of tourism and financial services, sucking up cash and talent from across the globe. He invited the world to come tax-free – and they came in their millions, swamping the local population, who now make up just 5 per cent of Dubai. A city seemed to fall from the sky in just three decades, whole and complete and swelling. They fast-forwarded from the 18th century to the 21st in a single generation.

If you take the Big Bus Tour of Dubai – the passport to a pre-processed experience of every major city on earth – you are fed the propaganda-vision of how this happened. "Dubai's motto is 'Open doors, open minds'," the tour guide tells you in clipped tones, before depositing you at the souks to buy camel tea-cosies. "Here you are free. To purchase fabrics," he adds. As you pass each new monumental building, he tells you: "The World Trade Centre was built by His Highness..."

But this is a lie. The sheikh did not build this city. It was built by slaves. They are building it now.


III. Hidden in plain view

There are three different Dubais, all swirling around each other. There are the expats, like Karen; there are the Emiratis, headed by Sheikh Mohammed; and then there is the foreign underclass who built the city, and are trapped here. They are hidden in plain view. You see them everywhere, in dirt-caked blue uniforms, being shouted at by their superiors, like a chain gang – but you are trained not to look. It is like a mantra: the Sheikh built the city. The Sheikh built the city. Workers? What workers?

Every evening, the hundreds of thousands of young men who build Dubai are bussed from their sites to a vast concrete wasteland an hour out of town, where they are quarantined away. Until a few years ago they were shuttled back and forth on cattle trucks, but the expats complained this was unsightly, so now they are shunted on small metal buses that function like greenhouses in the desert heat. They sweat like sponges being slowly wrung out.

Sonapur is a rubble-strewn patchwork of miles and miles of identical concrete buildings. Some 300,000 men live piled up here, in a place whose name in Hindi means "City of Gold". In the first camp I stop at – riven with the smell of sewage and sweat – the men huddle around, eager to tell someone, anyone, what is happening to them.

Sahinal Monir, a slim 24-year-old from the deltas of Bangladesh. "To get you here, they tell you Dubai is heaven. Then you get here and realise it is hell," he says. Four years ago, an employment agent arrived in Sahinal's village in Southern Bangladesh. He told the men of the village that there was a place where they could earn 40,000 takka a month (£400) just for working nine-to-five on construction projects. It was a place where they would be given great accommodation, great food, and treated well. All they had to do was pay an up-front fee of 220,000 takka (£2,300) for the work visa – a fee they'd pay off in the first six months, easy. So Sahinal sold his family land, and took out a loan from the local lender, to head to this paradise.

As soon as he arrived at Dubai airport, his passport was taken from him by his construction company. He has not seen it since. He was told brusquely that from now on he would be working 14-hour days in the desert heat – where western tourists are advised not to stay outside for even five minutes in summer, when it hits 55 degrees – for 500 dirhams a month (£90), less than a quarter of the wage he was promised. If you don't like it, the company told him, go home. "But how can I go home? You have my passport, and I have no money for the ticket," he said. "Well, then you'd better get to work," they replied.

Sahinal was in a panic. His family back home – his son, daughter, wife and parents – were waiting for money, excited that their boy had finally made it. But he was going to have to work for more than two years just to pay for the cost of getting here – and all to earn less than he did in Bangladesh.

He shows me his room. It is a tiny, poky, concrete cell with triple-decker bunk-beds, where he lives with 11 other men. All his belongings are piled onto his bunk: three shirts, a spare pair of trousers, and a cellphone. The room stinks, because the lavatories in the corner of the camp – holes in the ground – are backed up with excrement and clouds of black flies. There is no air conditioning or fans, so the heat is "unbearable. You cannot sleep. All you do is sweat and scratch all night." At the height of summer, people sleep on the floor, on the roof, anywhere where they can pray for a moment of breeze.

The water delivered to the camp in huge white containers isn't properly desalinated: it tastes of salt. "It makes us sick, but we have nothing else to drink," he says.

The work is "the worst in the world," he says. "You have to carry 50kg bricks and blocks of cement in the worst heat imaginable ... This heat – it is like nothing else. You sweat so much you can't pee, not for days or weeks. It's like all the liquid comes out through your skin and you stink. You become dizzy and sick but you aren't allowed to stop, except for an hour in the afternoon. You know if you drop anything or slip, you could die. If you take time off sick, your wages are docked, and you are trapped here even longer."

He is currently working on the 67th floor of a shiny new tower, where he builds upwards, into the sky, into the heat. He doesn't know its name. In his four years here, he has never seen the Dubai of tourist-fame, except as he constructs it floor-by-floor.

Is he angry? He is quiet for a long time. "Here, nobody shows their anger. You can't. You get put in jail for a long time, then deported." Last year, some workers went on strike after they were not given their wages for four months. The Dubai police surrounded their camps with razor-wire and water-cannons and blasted them out and back to work.

The "ringleaders" were imprisoned. I try a different question: does Sohinal regret coming? All the men look down, awkwardly. "How can we think about that? We are trapped. If we start to think about regrets..." He lets the sentence trail off. Eventually, another worker breaks the silence by adding: "I miss my country, my family and my land. We can grow food in Bangladesh. Here, nothing grows. Just oil and buildings."

Since the recession hit, they say, the electricity has been cut off in dozens of the camps, and the men have not been paid for months. Their companies have disappeared with their passports and their pay. "We have been robbed of everything. Even if somehow we get back to Bangladesh, the loan sharks will demand we repay our loans immediately, and when we can't, we'll be sent to prison."

This is all supposed to be illegal. Employers are meant to pay on time, never take your passport, give you breaks in the heat – but I met nobody who said it happens. Not one. These men are conned into coming and trapped into staying, with the complicity of the Dubai authorities.

Sahinal could well die out here. A British man who used to work on construction projects told me: "There's a huge number of suicides in the camps and on the construction sites, but they're not reported. They're described as 'accidents'." Even then, their families aren't free: they simply inherit the debts. A Human Rights Watch study found there is a "cover-up of the true extent" of deaths from heat exhaustion, overwork and suicide, but the Indian consulate registered 971 deaths of their nationals in 2005 alone. After this figure was leaked, the consulates were told to stop counting.

At night, in the dusk, I sit in the camp with Sohinal and his friends as they scrape together what they have left to buy a cheap bottle of spirits. They down it in one ferocious gulp. "It helps you to feel numb", Sohinal says through a stinging throat. In the distance, the glistening Dubai skyline he built stands, oblivious.


IV. Mauled by the mall

I find myself stumbling in a daze from the camps into the sprawling marble malls that seem to stand on every street in Dubai. It is so hot there is no point building pavements; people gather in these cathedrals of consumerism to bask in the air conditioning. So within a ten minute taxi-ride, I have left Sohinal and I am standing in the middle of Harvey Nichols, being shown a £20,000 taffeta dress by a bored salesgirl. "As you can see, it is cut on the bias..." she says, and I stop writing.

Time doesn't seem to pass in the malls. Days blur with the same electric light, the same shined floors, the same brands I know from home. Here, Dubai is reduced to its component sounds: do-buy. In the most expensive malls I am almost alone, the shops empty and echoing. On the record, everybody tells me business is going fine. Off the record, they look panicky. There is a hat exhibition ahead of the Dubai races, selling elaborate headgear for £1,000 a pop. "Last year, we were packed. Now look," a hat designer tells me. She swoops her arm over a vacant space.

I approach a blonde 17-year-old Dutch girl wandering around in hotpants, oblivious to the swarms of men gaping at her. "I love it here!" she says. "The heat, the malls, the beach!" Does it ever bother you that it's a slave society? She puts her head down, just as Sohinal did. "I try not to see," she says. Even at 17, she has learned not to look, and not to ask; that, she senses, is a transgression too far.

Between the malls, there is nothing but the connecting tissue of asphalt. Every road has at least four lanes; Dubai feels like a motorway punctuated by shopping centres. You only walk anywhere if you are suicidal. The residents of Dubai flit from mall to mall by car or taxis.

How does it feel if this is your country, filled with foreigners? Unlike the expats and the slave class, I can't just approach the native Emiratis to ask questions when I see them wandering around – the men in cool white robes, the women in sweltering black. If you try, the women blank you, and the men look affronted, and tell you brusquely that Dubai is "fine". So I browse through the Emirati blog-scene and found some typical-sounding young Emiratis. We meet – where else? – in the mall.

Ahmed al-Atar is a handsome 23-year-old with a neat, trimmed beard, tailored white robes, and rectangular wire-glasses. He speaks perfect American-English, and quickly shows that he knows London, Los Angeles and Paris better than most westerners. Sitting back in his chair in an identikit Starbucks, he announces: "This is the best place in the world to be young! The government pays for your education up to PhD level. You get given a free house when you get married. You get free healthcare, and if it's not good enough here, they pay for you to go abroad. You don't even have to pay for your phone calls. Almost everyone has a maid, a nanny, and a driver. And we never pay any taxes. Don't you wish you were Emirati?"

I try to raise potential objections to this Panglossian summary, but he leans forward and says: "Look – my grandfather woke up every day and he would have to fight to get to the well first to get water. When the wells ran dry, they had to have water delivered by camel. They were always hungry and thirsty and desperate for jobs. He limped all his life, because he there was no medical treatment available when he broke his leg. Now look at us!"

For Emiratis, this is a Santa Claus state, handing out goodies while it makes its money elsewhere: through renting out land to foreigners, soft taxes on them like business and airport charges, and the remaining dribble of oil. Most Emiratis, like Ahmed, work for the government, so they're cushioned from the credit crunch. "I haven't felt any effect at all, and nor have my friends," he says. "Your employment is secure. You will only be fired if you do something incredibly bad." The laws are currently being tightened, to make it even more impossible to sack an Emirati.

Sure, the flooding-in of expats can sometimes be "an eyesore", Ahmed says. "But we see the expats as the price we had to pay for this development. How else could we do it? Nobody wants to go back to the days of the desert, the days before everyone came. We went from being like an African country to having an average income per head of $120,000 a year. And we're supposed to complain?"

He says the lack of political freedom is fine by him. "You'll find it very hard to find an Emirati who doesn't support Sheikh Mohammed." Because they're scared? "No, because we really all support him. He's a great leader. Just look!" He smiles and says: "I'm sure my life is very much like yours. We hang out, have a coffee, go to the movies. You'll be in a Pizza Hut or Nando's in London, and at the same time I'll be in one in Dubai," he says, ordering another latte.

But do all young Emiratis see it this way? Can it really be so sunny in the political sands? In the sleek Emirates Tower Hotel, I meet Sultan al-Qassemi. He's a 31-year-old Emirati columnist for the Dubai press and private art collector, with a reputation for being a contrarian liberal, advocating gradual reform. He is wearing Western clothes – blue jeans and a Ralph Lauren shirt – and speaks incredibly fast, turning himself into a manic whirr of arguments.

"People here are turning into lazy, overweight babies!" he exclaims. "The nanny state has gone too far. We don't do anything for ourselves! Why don't any of us work for the private sector? Why can't a mother and father look after their own child?" And yet, when I try to bring up the system of slavery that built Dubai, he looks angry. "People should give us credit," he insists. "We are the most tolerant people in the world. Dubai is the only truly international city in the world. Everyone who comes here is treated with respect."

I pause, and think of the vast camps in Sonapur, just a few miles away. Does he even know they exist? He looks irritated. "You know, if there are 30 or 40 cases [of worker abuse] a year, that sounds like a lot but when you think about how many people are here..." Thirty or 40? This abuse is endemic to the system, I say. We're talking about hundreds of thousands.

Sultan is furious. He splutters: "You don't think Mexicans are treated badly in New York City? And how long did it take Britain to treat people well? I could come to London and write about the homeless people on Oxford Street and make your city sound like a terrible place, too! The workers here can leave any time they want! Any Indian can leave, any Asian can leave!"

But they can't, I point out. Their passports are taken away, and their wages are withheld. "Well, I feel bad if that happens, and anybody who does that should be punished. But their embassies should help them." They try. But why do you forbid the workers – with force – from going on strike against lousy employers? "Thank God we don't allow that!" he exclaims. "Strikes are in-convenient! They go on the street – we're not having that. We won't be like France. Imagine a country where they the workers can just stop whenever they want!" So what should the workers do when they are cheated and lied to? "Quit. Leave the country."

I sigh. Sultan is seething now. "People in the West are always complaining about us," he says. Suddenly, he adopts a mock-whiny voice and says, in imitation of these disgusting critics: "Why don't you treat animals better? Why don't you have better shampoo advertising? Why don't you treat labourers better?" It's a revealing order: animals, shampoo, then workers. He becomes more heated, shifting in his seat, jabbing his finger at me. "I gave workers who worked for me safety goggles and special boots, and they didn't want to wear them! It slows them down!"

And then he smiles, coming up with what he sees as his killer argument. "When I see Western journalists criticise us – don't you realise you're shooting yourself in the foot? The Middle East will be far more dangerous if Dubai fails. Our export isn't oil, it's hope. Poor Egyptians or Libyans or Iranians grow up saying – I want to go to Dubai. We're very important to the region. We are showing how to be a modern Muslim country. We don't have any fundamentalists here. Europeans shouldn't gloat at our demise. You should be very worried.... Do you know what will happen if this model fails? Dubai will go down the Iranian path, the Islamist path."

Sultan sits back. My arguments have clearly disturbed him; he says in a softer, conciliatory tone, almost pleading: "Listen. My mother used to go to the well and get a bucket of water every morning. On her wedding day, she was given an orange as a gift because she had never eaten one. Two of my brothers died when they were babies because the healthcare system hadn't developed yet. Don't judge us." He says it again, his eyes filled with intensity: "Don't judge us."


V. The Dunkin' Donuts Dissidents

But there is another face to the Emirati minority – a small huddle of dissidents, trying to shake the Sheikhs out of abusive laws. Next to a Virgin Megastore and a Dunkin' Donuts, with James Blunt's "You're Beautiful" blaring behind me, I meet the Dubai dictatorship's Public Enemy Number One. By way of introduction, Mohammed al-Mansoori says from within his white robes and sinewy face: "Westerners come her and see the malls and the tall buildings and they think that means we are free. But these businesses, these buildings – who are they for? This is a dictatorship. The royal family think they own the country, and the people are their servants. There is no freedom here."

We snuffle out the only Arabic restaurant in this mall, and he says everything you are banned – under threat of prison – from saying in Dubai. Mohammed tells me he was born in Dubai to a fisherman father who taught him one enduring lesson: Never follow the herd. Think for yourself. In the sudden surge of development, Mohammed trained as a lawyer. By the Noughties, he had climbed to the head of the Jurists' Association, an organisation set up to press for Dubai's laws to be consistent with international human rights legislation.

And then – suddenly – Mohammed thwacked into the limits of Sheikh Mohammed's tolerance. Horrified by the "system of slavery" his country was being built on, he spoke out to Human Rights Watch and the BBC. "So I was hauled in by the secret police and told: shut up, or you will lose you job, and your children will be unemployable," he says. "But how could I be silent?"

He was stripped of his lawyer's licence and his passport – becoming yet another person imprisoned in this country. "I have been blacklisted and so have my children. The newspapers are not allowed to write about me."

Why is the state so keen to defend this system of slavery? He offers a prosaic explanation. "Most companies are owned by the government, so they oppose human rights laws because it will reduce their profit margins. It's in their interests that the workers are slaves."

Last time there was a depression, there was a starbust of democracy in Dubai, seized by force from the sheikhs. In the 1930s, the city's merchants banded together against Sheikh Said bin Maktum al-Maktum – the absolute ruler of his day – and insisted they be given control over the state finances. It lasted only a few years, before the Sheikh – with the enthusiastic support of the British – snuffed them out.

And today? Sheikh Mohammed turned Dubai into Creditopolis, a city built entirely on debt. Dubai owes 107 percent of its entire GDP. It would be bust already, if the neighbouring oil-soaked state of Abu Dhabi hadn't pulled out its chequebook. Mohammed says this will constrict freedom even further. "Now Abu Dhabi calls the tunes – and they are much more conservative and restrictive than even Dubai. Freedom here will diminish every day." Already, new media laws have been drafted forbidding the press to report on anything that could "damage" Dubai or "its economy". Is this why the newspapers are giving away glossy supplements talking about "encouraging economic indicators"?

Everybody here waves Islamism as the threat somewhere over the horizon, sure to swell if their advice is not followed. Today, every imam is appointed by the government, and every sermon is tightly controlled to keep it moderate. But Mohammed says anxiously: "We don't have Islamism here now, but I think that if you control people and give them no way to express anger, it could rise. People who are told to shut up all the time can just explode."

Later that day, against another identikit-corporate backdrop, I meet another dissident – Abdulkhaleq Abdullah, Professor of Political Science at Emirates University. His anger focuses not on political reform, but the erosion of Emirati identity. He is famous among the locals, a rare outspoken conductor for their anger. He says somberly: "There has been a rupture here. This is a totally different city to the one I was born in 50 years ago."

He looks around at the shiny floors and Western tourists and says: "What we see now didn't occur in our wildest dreams. We never thought we could be such a success, a trendsetter, a model for other Arab countries. The people of Dubai are mighty proud of their city, and rightly so. And yet..." He shakes his head. "In our hearts, we fear we have built a modern city but we are losing it to all these expats."

Adbulkhaleq says every Emirati of his generation lives with a "psychological trauma." Their hearts are divided – "between pride on one side, and fear on the other." Just after he says this, a smiling waitress approaches, and asks us what we would like to drink. He orders a Coke.


VI. Dubai Pride

There is one group in Dubai for whom the rhetoric of sudden freedom and liberation rings true – but it is the very group the government wanted to liberate least: gays.

Beneath a famous international hotel, I clamber down into possibly the only gay club on the Saudi Arabian peninsula. I find a United Nations of tank-tops and bulging biceps, dancing to Kylie, dropping ecstasy, and partying like it's Soho. "Dubai is the best place in the Muslim world for gays!" a 25-year old Emirati with spiked hair says, his arms wrapped around his 31-year old "husband". "We are alive. We can meet. That is more than most Arab gays."

It is illegal to be gay in Dubai, and punishable by 10 years in prison. But the locations of the latest unofficial gay clubs circulate online, and men flock there, seemingly unafraid of the police. "They might bust the club, but they will just disperse us," one of them says. "The police have other things to do."

In every large city, gay people find a way to find each other – but Dubai has become the clearing-house for the region's homosexuals, a place where they can live in relative safety. Saleh, a lean private in the Saudi Arabian army, has come here for the Coldplay concert, and tells me Dubai is "great" for gays: "In Saudi, it's hard to be straight when you're young. The women are shut away so everyone has gay sex. But they only want to have sex with boys – 15- to 21-year-olds. I'm 27, so I'm too old now. I need to find real gays, so this is the best place. All Arab gays want to live in Dubai."

With that, Saleh dances off across the dancefloor, towards a Dutch guy with big biceps and a big smile.


VII. The Lifestyle

All the guidebooks call Dubai a "melting pot", but as I trawl across the city, I find that every group here huddles together in its own little ethnic enclave – and becomes a caricature of itself. One night – in the heart of this homesick city, tired of the malls and the camps – I go to Double Decker, a hang-out for British expats. At the entrance there is a red telephone box, and London bus-stop signs. Its wooden interior looks like a cross between a colonial clubhouse in the Raj and an Eighties school disco, with blinking coloured lights and cheese blaring out. As I enter, a girl in a short skirt collapses out of the door onto her back. A guy wearing a pirate hat helps her to her feet, dropping his beer bottle with a paralytic laugh.

I start to talk to two sun-dried women in their sixties who have been getting gently sozzled since midday. "You stay here for The Lifestyle," they say, telling me to take a seat and order some more drinks. All the expats talk about The Lifestyle, but when you ask what it is, they become vague. Ann Wark tries to summarise it: "Here, you go out every night. You'd never do that back home. You see people all the time. It's great. You have lots of free time. You have maids and staff so you don't have to do all that stuff. You party!"

They have been in Dubai for 20 years, and they are happy to explain how the city works. "You've got a hierarchy, haven't you?" Ann says. "It's the Emiratis at the top, then I'd say the British and other Westerners. Then I suppose it's the Filipinos, because they've got a bit more brains than the Indians. Then at the bottom you've got the Indians and all them lot."

They admit, however, they have "never" spoken to an Emirati. Never? "No. They keep themselves to themselves." Yet Dubai has disappointed them. Jules Taylor tells me: "If you have an accident here it's a nightmare. There was a British woman we knew who ran over an Indian guy, and she was locked up for four days! If you have a tiny bit of alcohol on your breath they're all over you. These Indians throw themselves in front of cars, because then their family has to be given blood money – you know, compensation. But the police just blame us. That poor woman."

A 24-year-old British woman called Hannah Gamble takes a break from the dancefloor to talk to me. "I love the sun and the beach! It's great out here!" she says. Is there anything bad? "Oh yes!" she says. Ah: one of them has noticed, I think with relief. "The banks! When you want to make a transfer you have to fax them. You can't do it online." Anything else? She thinks hard. "The traffic's not very good."

When I ask the British expats how they feel to not be in a democracy, their reaction is always the same. First, they look bemused. Then they look affronted. "It's the Arab way!" an Essex boy shouts at me in response, as he tries to put a pair of comedy antlers on his head while pouring some beer into the mouth of his friend, who is lying on his back on the floor, gurning.

Later, in a hotel bar, I start chatting to a dyspeptic expat American who works in the cosmetics industry and is desperate to get away from these people. She says: "All the people who couldn't succeed in their own countries end up here, and suddenly they're rich and promoted way above their abilities and bragging about how great they are. I've never met so many incompetent people in such senior positions anywhere in the world." She adds: "It's absolutely racist. I had Filipino girls working for me doing the same job as a European girl, and she's paid a quarter of the wages. The people who do the real work are paid next to nothing, while these incompetent managers pay themselves £40,000 a month."

With the exception of her, one theme unites every expat I speak to: their joy at having staff to do the work that would clog their lives up Back Home. Everyone, it seems, has a maid. The maids used to be predominantly Filipino, but with the recession, Filipinos have been judged to be too expensive, so a nice Ethiopian servant girl is the latest fashionable accessory.

It is an open secret that once you hire a maid, you have absolute power over her. You take her passport – everyone does; you decide when to pay her, and when – if ever – she can take a break; and you decide who she talks to. She speaks no Arabic. She cannot escape.

In a Burger King, a Filipino girl tells me it is "terrifying" for her to wander the malls in Dubai because Filipino maids or nannies always sneak away from the family they are with and beg her for help. "They say – 'Please, I am being held prisoner, they don't let me call home, they make me work every waking hour seven days a week.' At first I would say – my God, I will tell the consulate, where are you staying? But they never know their address, and the consulate isn't interested. I avoid them now. I keep thinking about a woman who told me she hadn't eaten any fruit in four years. They think I have power because I can walk around on my own, but I'm powerless."

The only hostel for women in Dubai – a filthy private villa on the brink of being repossessed – is filled with escaped maids. Mela Matari, a 25-year-old Ethiopian woman with a drooping smile, tells me what happened to her – and thousands like her. She was promised a paradise in the sands by an agency, so she left her four year-old daughter at home and headed here to earn money for a better future. "But they paid me half what they promised. I was put with an Australian family – four children – and Madam made me work from 6am to 1am every day, with no day off. I was exhausted and pleaded for a break, but they just shouted: 'You came here to work, not sleep!' Then one day I just couldn't go on, and Madam beat me. She beat me with her fists and kicked me. My ear still hurts. They wouldn't give me my wages: they said they'd pay me at the end of the two years. What could I do? I didn't know anybody here. I was terrified."

One day, after yet another beating, Mela ran out onto the streets, and asked – in broken English – how to find the Ethiopian consulate. After walking for two days, she found it, but they told her she had to get her passport back from Madam. "Well, how could I?" she asks. She has been in this hostel for six months. She has spoken to her daughter twice. "I lost my country, I lost my daughter, I lost everything," she says.

As she says this, I remember a stray sentence I heard back at Double Decker. I asked a British woman called Hermione Frayling what the best thing about Dubai was. "Oh, the servant class!" she trilled. "You do nothing. They'll do anything!"


VIII. The End of The World

The World is empty. It has been abandoned, its continents unfinished. Through binoculars, I think I can glimpse Britain; this sceptred isle barren in the salt-breeze.

Here, off the coast of Dubai, developers have been rebuilding the world. They have constructed artificial islands in the shape of all planet Earth's land masses, and they plan to sell each continent off to be built on. There were rumours that the Beckhams would bid for Britain. But the people who work at the nearby coast say they haven't seen anybody there for months now. "The World is over," a South African suggests.

All over Dubai, crazy projects that were Under Construction are now Under Collapse. They were building an air-conditioned beach here, with cooling pipes running below the sand, so the super-rich didn't singe their toes on their way from towel to sea.

The projects completed just before the global economy crashed look empty and tattered. The Atlantis Hotel was launched last winter in a $20m fin-de-siecle party attended by Robert De Niro, Lindsay Lohan and Lily Allen. Sitting on its own fake island – shaped, of course, like a palm tree – it looks like an immense upturned tooth in a faintly decaying mouth. It is pink and turreted – the architecture of the pharaohs, as reimagined by Zsa-Zsa Gabor. Its Grand Lobby is a monumental dome covered in glitterballs, held up by eight monumental concrete palm trees. Standing in the middle, there is a giant shining glass structure that looks like the intestines of every guest who has ever stayed at the Atlantis. It is unexpectedly raining; water is leaking from the roof, and tiles are falling off.

A South African PR girl shows me around its most coveted rooms, explaining that this is "the greatest luxury offered in the world". We stroll past shops selling £24m diamond rings around a hotel themed on the lost and sunken continent of, yes, Atlantis. There are huge water tanks filled with sharks, which poke around mock-abandoned castles and dumped submarines. There are more than 1,500 rooms here, each with a sea view. The Neptune suite has three floors, and – I gasp as I see it – it looks out directly on to the vast shark tank. You lie on the bed, and the sharks stare in at you. In Dubai, you can sleep with the fishes, and survive.

But even the luxury – reminiscent of a Bond villain's lair – is also being abandoned. I check myself in for a few nights to the classiest hotel in town, the Park Hyatt. It is the fashionistas' favourite hotel, where Elle Macpherson and Tommy Hilfiger stay, a gorgeous, understated palace. It feels empty. Whenever I eat, I am one of the only people in the restaurant. A staff member tells me in a whisper: "It used to be full here. Now there's hardly anyone." Rattling around, I feel like Jack Nicholson in The Shining, the last man in an abandoned, haunted home.

The most famous hotel in Dubai – the proud icon of the city – is the Burj al Arab hotel, sitting on the shore, shaped like a giant glass sailing boat. In the lobby, I start chatting to a couple from London who work in the City. They have been coming to Dubai for 10 years now, and they say they love it. "You never know what you'll find here," he says. "On our last trip, at the beginning of the holiday, our window looked out on the sea. By the end, they'd built an entire island there."

My patience frayed by all this excess, I find myself snapping: doesn't the omnipresent slave class bother you? I hope they misunderstood me, because the woman replied: "That's what we come for! It's great, you can't do anything for yourself!" Her husband chimes in: "When you go to the toilet, they open the door, they turn on the tap – the only thing they don't do is take it out for you when you have a piss!" And they both fall about laughing.


IX. Taking on the Desert

Dubai is not just a city living beyond its financial means; it is living beyond its ecological means. You stand on a manicured Dubai lawn and watch the sprinklers spray water all around you. You see tourists flocking to swim with dolphins. You wander into a mountain-sized freezer where they have built a ski slope with real snow. And a voice at the back of your head squeaks: this is the desert. This is the most water-stressed place on the planet. How can this be happening? How is it possible?

The very earth is trying to repel Dubai, to dry it up and blow it away. The new Tiger Woods Gold Course needs four million gallons of water to be pumped on to its grounds every day, or it would simply shrivel and disappear on the winds. The city is regularly washed over with dust-storms that fog up the skies and turn the skyline into a blur. When the dust parts, heat burns through. It cooks anything that is not kept constantly, artificially wet.

Dr Mohammed Raouf, the environmental director of the Gulf Research Centre, sounds sombre as he sits in his Dubai office and warns: "This is a desert area, and we are trying to defy its environment. It is very unwise. If you take on the desert, you will lose."

Sheikh Maktoum built his showcase city in a place with no useable water. None. There is no surface water, very little acquifer, and among the lowest rainfall in the world. So Dubai drinks the sea. The Emirates' water is stripped of salt in vast desalination plants around the Gulf – making it the most expensive water on earth. It costs more than petrol to produce, and belches vast amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere as it goes. It's the main reason why a resident of Dubai has the biggest average carbon footprint of any human being – more than double that of an American.

If a recession turns into depression, Dr Raouf believes Dubai could run out of water. "At the moment, we have financial reserves that cover bringing so much water to the middle of the desert. But if we had lower revenues – if, say, the world shifts to a source of energy other than oil..." he shakes his head. "We will have a very big problem. Water is the main source of life. It would be a catastrophe. Dubai only has enough water to last us a week. There's almost no storage. We don't know what will happen if our supplies falter. It would be hard to survive."

Global warming, he adds, makes the problem even worse. "We are building all these artificial islands, but if the sea level rises, they will be gone, and we will lose a lot. Developers keep saying it's all fine, they've taken it into consideration, but I'm not so sure."

Is the Dubai government concerned about any of this? "There isn't much interest in these problems," he says sadly. But just to stand still, the average resident of Dubai needs three times more water than the average human. In the looming century of water stresses and a transition away from fossil fuels, Dubai is uniquely vulnerable.

I wanted to understand how the government of Dubai will react, so I decided to look at how it has dealt with an environmental problem that already exists – the pollution of its beaches. One woman – an American, working at one of the big hotels – had written in a lot of online forums arguing that it was bad and getting worse, so I called her to arrange a meeting. "I can't talk to you," she said sternly. Not even if it's off the record? "I can't talk to you." But I don't have to disclose your name... "You're not listening. This phone is bugged. I can't talk to you," she snapped, and hung up.

The next day I turned up at her office. "If you reveal my identity, I'll be sent on the first plane out of this city," she said, before beginning to nervously pace the shore with me. "It started like this. We began to get complaints from people using the beach. The water looked and smelled odd, and they were starting to get sick after going into it. So I wrote to the ministers of health and tourism and expected to hear back immediately – but there was nothing. Silence. I hand-delivered the letters. Still nothing."

The water quality got worse and worse. The guests started to spot raw sewage, condoms, and used sanitary towels floating in the sea. So the hotel ordered its own water analyses from a professional company. "They told us it was full of fecal matter and bacteria 'too numerous to count'. I had to start telling guests not to go in the water, and since they'd come on a beach holiday, as you can imagine, they were pretty pissed off." She began to make angry posts on the expat discussion forums – and people began to figure out what was happening. Dubai had expanded so fast its sewage treatment facilities couldn't keep up. The sewage disposal trucks had to queue for three or four days at the treatment plants – so instead, they were simply drilling open the manholes and dumping the untreated sewage down them, so it flowed straight to the sea.

Suddenly, it was an open secret – and the municipal authorities finally acknowledged the problem. They said they would fine the truckers. But the water quality didn't improve: it became black and stank. "It's got chemicals in it. I don't know what they are. But this stuff is toxic."

She continued to complain – and started to receive anonymous phone calls. "Stop embarassing Dubai, or your visa will be cancelled and you're out," they said. She says: "The expats are terrified to talk about anything. One critical comment in the newspapers and they deport you. So what am I supposed to do? Now the water is worse than ever. People are getting really sick. Eye infections, ear infections, stomach infections, rashes. Look at it!" There is faeces floating on the beach, in the shadow of one of Dubai's most famous hotels.

"What I learnt about Dubai is that the authorities don't give a toss about the environment," she says, standing in the stench. "They're pumping toxins into the sea, their main tourist attraction, for God's sake. If there are environmental problems in the future, I can tell you now how they will deal with them – deny it's happening, cover it up, and carry on until it's a total disaster." As she speaks, a dust-storm blows around us, as the desert tries, slowly, insistently, to take back its land.


X. Fake Plastic Trees

On my final night in the Dubai Disneyland, I stop off on my way to the airport, at a Pizza Hut that sits at the side of one of the city's endless, wide, gaping roads. It is identical to the one near my apartment in London in every respect, even the vomit-coloured decor. My mind is whirring and distracted. Perhaps Dubai disturbed me so much, I am thinking, because here, the entire global supply chain is condensed. Many of my goods are made by semi-enslaved populations desperate for a chance 2,000 miles away; is the only difference that here, they are merely two miles away, and you sometimes get to glimpse their faces? Dubai is Market Fundamentalist Globalisation in One City.

I ask the Filipino girl behind the counter if she likes it here. "It's OK," she says cautiously. Really? I say. I can't stand it. She sighs with relief and says: "This is the most terrible place! I hate it! I was here for months before I realised – everything in Dubai is fake. Everything you see. The trees are fake, the workers' contracts are fake, the islands are fake, the smiles are fake – even the water is fake!" But she is trapped, she says. She got into debt to come here, and she is stuck for three years: an old story now. "I think Dubai is like an oasis. It is an illusion, not real. You think you have seen water in the distance, but you get close and you only get a mouthful of sand."

As she says this, another customer enters. She forces her face into the broad, empty Dubai smile and says: "And how may I help you tonight, sir?"

Some names in this article have been changed.

Dan Denson
04-08-2009, 10:15 PM
Since so much of what we read online is not credible, please tell us why we need to believe everything in this article. What are the credentials of the author? I'm not saying the author isn't credible, but before I go any further in reading the ariticle, I'd like to know more about the author.

niwell
04-08-2009, 10:32 PM
Since so much of what we read online is not credible, please tell us why we need to believe everything in this article. What are the credentials of the author? I'm not saying the author isn't credible, but before I go any further in reading the ariticle, I'd like to know more about the author.

Google is your friend:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Hari
http://www.johannhari.com/index.php
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/


This is most certainly biased, as all op-ed pieces are. A good read though, and I have no doubt that everything he experienced was true. There are similar opinions voiced in numerous other articles and documentaries covering the Dubai phenomenon. Personally I've had no desire to visit the place for some time for similar reasons.

Is there another side to the story though? Of course.

BTinSF
04-08-2009, 11:56 PM
This is a very long and, I have to say, the most comprehensive discussion of the subject I've ever read. I would be utterly shocked if everything in it were spot on. But we have had the other side--the tourist brochures, the constant glowing worship of the tallest this, biggest that, most grandiose ever everything--for a long time.

And it rings true to me. As I become a senior, I've travelled much of the world (maybe half of it courtesy of Uncle Sam) and I've seen a lot. I'm something of a cynic. I've always been cynical about Dubai. Throughout history there have been other great cities built in improbable places with borrowed money from a transient source and slave labor. And few if any of them have lasted long the way cities that grow organically do. I don't expect Dubai will and this article describes almost precisely what I have always expected I would find if I ever went there, which I have no intention of ever doing.

Tom In Chicago
04-09-2009, 12:28 AM
This is a very long and, I have to say, the most comprehensive discussion of the subject I've ever read. I would be utterly shocked if everything in it were spot on. But we have had the other side--the tourist brochures, the constant glowing worship of the tallest this, biggest that, most grandiose ever everything--for a long time.

And it rings true to me. As I become a senior, I've travelled much of the world (maybe half of it courtesy of Uncle Sam) and I've seen a lot. I'm something of a cynic. I've always been cynical about Dubai. Throughout history there have been other great cities built in improbable places with borrowed money from a transient source and slave labor. And few if any of them have lasted long the way cities that grow organically do. I don't expect Dubai will and this article describes almost precisely what I have always expected I would find if I ever went there, which I have no intention of ever doing.

How many times are you going to remind us of everything you just wrote??? REDUNDANT!!! :rolleyes:

. . .

sofresh808
04-09-2009, 12:35 AM
I thought his conclusion that in Dubai, the world's "entire global supply chain is condensed" was pretty spot on. The world economy is very stratified, but with the third world out of sight and out of mind for most us, we really aren't conscious of the abuses occurring there. Dubai is just a miniature model of the gross discrepancies in wealth and the massive systems of capitalistic exploitation present in the world economy.

Trae
04-09-2009, 12:47 AM
That beach part is just gross. Feel bad for the expats there as well. I doubt that every maid and nanny in Dubai are treated like slaves though. Still, I do not plan on going to Dubai with the things I have heard.

Trae
04-09-2009, 12:58 AM
I remember there was this teenager (15 or 16 I think) from France who was visiting Dubai with his family. He was walking to his hotel from someplace and this kid he met his age offered him a ride back to his hotel instead of walking the entire way. Well, the guy from France ended up being raped by four people I believe and one of them had AIDS, so the guy from France got the disease. When he told the doctor what had happened to him, the doctor said something like he didn't try to stop them and therefore was engaging in homosexual acts and could be put in Dubai jail for doing so.

This happened like two years ago and I probably don't have everything set straight, just going off of memory. It was on 60 Minutes.

galaca
04-09-2009, 02:30 AM
:previous:

In Rape Case, a French Youth Takes On Dubai (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/world/middleeast/01dubai.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=alexandre%20robert&st=cse)

http://img.iht.com/images/2007/10/31/31dubai550.jpg

i don't think he tested positive for HIV, btw.

SpongeG
04-09-2009, 02:58 AM
it was on 20/20 I think - i remember watching it

from what i heard the ex-pats from poorer countries don't get treated that well, the ones from say Canada or UK etc get treated better but are still looked down upon by the locals

that article really took any desire away to want to visit the place

smussuw
04-09-2009, 03:59 AM
The 4 million expatriates must be living in hell.

Trae
04-09-2009, 04:13 AM
The 4 million expatriates must be living in hell.

Yep.

SpongeG
04-09-2009, 04:27 AM
compared to somethings they have at home possibly

but it sounds like the expats he mingled with are douche bags exploiting the servants and staff

Metro-One
04-09-2009, 04:29 AM
I myself have never been interested in going to Dubai. The entire place seemed to be 100% fabricated, nothing organic about it. "A giant Disneyland riddled with laws from the middle ages" is the perfect way to describe it. But i also feel that many of these expatriates should have researched the region more thoroughly before they decided to move. Most of them are there for greed, not for the quality of life, simply for money, and now the walls have caved in on them. The warning signals have always been there, only a fascist state based on greed and oppression could erect so many gigantic towers so fast from out of no where.

My bottom line is, all the warning signs were there that the glitter and glamour of all the new buildings in Dubai were simply smoke and mirrors to a troubled and oppressive society.

bnk
04-09-2009, 04:29 AM
Will we hear from the Dubai boosters that permeated the Dubai type threads just less than a year ago to give a counter view point from this perhaps bias leaning article?


I myself have not seen the Dubai boosters posting much of late.


The water issue is IMO almost important as the lack of oil and the dependency upon 7 star hotels and unlimited construction.

The whole slave labor issue is a topic in itself.


I have a feeling that Dubai is not properly positioned enough to get through the world storm that we are experiencing. There will be a hell of allot of empty space for some time.

What really freaks me out is how some ex-pats treat their maids. I know this article can be biased but if even one half of it is true than there are many souls suffering over there right now, and I did not even mention the Bangladeshi laborers.



This place has the potential to be a real hell hole in a short time if the world economy does not rebound as quick as most hope.

Dubai's worst issue is in the short term they have very little petroleum reserves to fall back upon and therefore very little insurance to requpe from such debt. I think they made the wrong bet by going residential first and foremost, and lost, but time will tell.





Water, water everywhere but not a drop to drink.



I want to hear from a Dubai boosters before I can take this respected journalist on his value article first.

Any takers?

ginsan2
04-09-2009, 04:34 AM
I'm almost thirsty to see how the international community handles Dubai.

As long as the middle easterners were just barbarians who sold us their oil, all was well. It was when they started dressing like Americans, consciously dining and entertaining like Europeans, adopting those customs and traditions they only knew to be pretty on the surface that we had problems.

The religion issue is another big one. It's the source of so much backwards, thirteenth-century style behavior. Politicians are going to be far more polite than I am, or at least I really hope so. Yet of course we can't say religion is "wrong" and it's never "barbaric", we have to accept it without question.

I'm anxiously awaiting the word play.

SpongeG
04-09-2009, 04:35 AM
I myself have never been interested in going to Dubai. The entire place seemed to be 100% fabricated, nothing organic about it. "A giant Disneyland riddled with laws from the middle ages" is the perfect way to describe it. But i also feel that many of these expatriates should have researched the region more thoroughly before they decided to move. Most of them are there for greed, not for the quality of life, simply for money, and now the walls have caved in on them. The warning signals have always been there, only a fascist state based on greed and oppression could erect so many gigantic towers so fast from out of no where.

My bottom line is, all the warning signs were there that the glitter and glamour of all the new buildings in Dubai were simply smoke and mirrors to a troubled and oppressive society.

well yah but they need employees they had to get them there

Its sort of like working on a cruise ship - they tell you at the interview how wonderful it is blah blah and than you get there and its more like being a slave - I have some friends who worked on them and they hated it but stuck it out - but it was not the great job they were promised

smussuw
04-09-2009, 04:56 AM
I want to hear from a Dubai boosters before I can take this respected journalist on his value article first.

Any takers?It is enough to say that this is one of the most bullshitting one sided biased article I've ever read :banana:

smussuw
04-09-2009, 05:01 AM
I'm almost thirsty to see how the international community handles Dubai.This is how :worship:

Anti-Dubai bile in British press not shared by the government, says UK spokesperson

http://www.ameinfo.com/images/news/small//5/76125-john.jpg

The government of Great Britain does not share the pessimistic and rather vitriolic view of Dubai that appeared in some sections of the British press in the wake of the global financial crisis, asserted John Wilkes, an official spokesperson for the UK government in a press conference at Dubai Press Club yesterday.

Wilkes added that the financial crisis is a global one and that the international community is together in the efforts to fight it.

Wilkes was speaking to the media on the ongoing visit to the region by Peter Mendelson, the British Secretary of State for Business, accompanied by a large delegation consisting of top government officials and business leaders.

The high level British delegation reached Abu Dhabi yesterday and is scheduled to visit Dubai today.

'Great Britain considers the business and other relations with the GCC countries as exceptionally important, particularly in light of the current financial crisis. Dubai and the gulf region are better equipped to deal with the crisis than many other parts of the world on account of the region's enormous financial and natural resources. The UAE is the third largest market in the GCC for British businesses,' Wilks added.

Speaking on the visit of the delegation to Iraq, the British spokesperson said the security situation in Iraq had undergone a sea change, despite occasional spurt of violence.

'The UK government is committed to taking advantage of the business opportunities currently available in Iraq. The Iraqi government is now equal to the task of ensuring security for businesses and the workforce. The situation has improved so much so that the British foreign secretary was recently able to walk around the streets in Basra and interact with ordinary people. He was given protection not by the British forces or Americans, but the Iraqi authorities,' he pointed out.

Answering questions on the G-20 summit and the issue of restructuring global financial institutions like the International Monetary Fund, Wilks stressed that the UK stood by the demands for the restructuring and reform of these institutions by incorporating the concerns of the developing world and ensuring a greater say for them, particularly for countries such as China, India and Brazil.

'Our position on this issue is very clear. We feel the time has come for appropriate measures to make sure that global financial institutions are run in a way that reflects the changed realities of the world,' he added.

http://www.ameinfo.com/191779.html

Metro-One
04-09-2009, 05:06 AM
It is enough to say that this is one of the most bullshitting one sided biased article I've ever read

I will admit that the article is bias, and that there are twos sides to every story, but i just want to hear from you that you admit there are problems in Dubai, and that most of those problems are circled around its fascist government and neo-conservative religious views. (and don't worry, i find neo-conservative Christian views just as scary and crazy as neo-conservative Muslim views, heck i even dislike ultra left wing environmentalist views, all extremes are unrealistic and non sustainable.)

smussuw
04-09-2009, 05:12 AM
I will admit that the article is bias, and that there are twos sides to every story, but i just want to hear from you that you admit there are problems in Dubai, and that most of those problems are circled around its fascist government and neo-conservative religious views.Oh, I do admit that there are problems but they are not as bad as the article is trying to imply but they have nothing to do with the government or religion as u were suggesting. Fascist government and neo-conservative religious views are what we saw in the US from 2001 to 2009.

Ministry to investigate BBC claims of labour violations

By Wafa Issa, Staff Reporter
Published: April 08, 2009, 23:09
Dubai: The Ministry of Labour said the UAE does not tolerate violation of labour laws and workers' rights and it will investigate claims made in a BBC TV programme on violation of workers' rights in Dubai.

According to a statement issued on Wednesday Saqr Gobash Saeed Gobash, Minister of Labour, ordered the inspection team at the ministry to investigate the claims made in Panorama, a BBC TV programme broadcast on April 6, that expatriate labourers are forced to live and work in poor conditions.

The episode titled Slumdogs and Millionaires claimed to expose the bad working and living conditions of construction workers in Dubai and to "reveal the darker side of Dubai that works behind the scenes to make the glamorous image a reality".

Gobash said that the UAE is dedicated to protect the rights of the expatriate workforce as per the directives of the country's leadership and that these rights are covered by legislations.

"The country's record on workers' rights is a source of honour and it is not possible under any circumstances to violate these rights as they are protected by the UAE labour law and international convention swhich the UAE has ratified," he said.

"The UAE has a legal and moral commitment towards its temporary expatriate workforce and therefore it is not possible to accept any practice that violates the rules.

"The ministry will not shy away from taking the necessary measures against any violating company and those committing major violations will be referred to court," Gobash added.

Maher Al Obaid, Executive Director for Inspection Affairs at the Ministry of Labour, said the department will carry out inspections and any violating companies will be penalised.

http://www.gulfnews.com/nation/General/10302519.html

nomarandlee
04-09-2009, 05:19 AM
:previous: Governments have their own motivations for bending over to the sensitivities of other nations pols and royals. Perhaps one needs to be reminded of the KSA hissy fit that spurred UK government smack down of its own press and investigators regarding the money laundering of Prince Bandar and BAE fighter jets. No governments like to be embarrassed but it seems nepotistic Sheiks feel especially entitled to the immunity from criticism similar to their own countries and if embarrassing enough will even demand teflon treatments of those outside their borders.


........smussuw, what is your reasoning again why laborers shouldn't have the right to bargain collectively or strike especially if companies are not keeping up with legal obligations?

niwell
04-09-2009, 05:21 AM
I'm well aware there is another side to Dubai, but on the other hand I have no doubt that a prize-winning journalist is reporting the truth on one particular side.

This is particularly true to slave labour, which I have watched about in documentaries as far back as 5 years ago. At this point I'm inclined to believe that yes, it does exist. In horrifying numbers no less. What the depression has to say to this I shudder to think.

bnk
04-09-2009, 05:31 AM
Oh, I do admit that there are problems but they are not as bad as the article is trying to imply but they have nothing to do with the government or religion as u were suggesting. Fascist government and neo-conservative religious views are what we saw in the US from 2001 to 2009.
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The bolded statement is quite true, but thankfully from democratically held elections we could turn the tide from the problems of the past and go in a new direction democratically.

I do not get the vibe that the natural natives nor the workers in the homes or streets really have a true voice in Dubai.

From what I have learned only the natural born have easy links to cush jobs.

Therefore I would expect that only the natural citizens have a real vote and choice if there really were or are elections.

I mean really... When the Indian and Bangi population is about twice the population of the ruling class than there really must be some major issues about class distinctions.

I get the rest of the article is that the natural Dubai people control the natural wealth of the country and rely too much upon the foreign [in general] worker to supplement their extravagant lifestyle. There could be a case made that all of this maid type of crap, where one eliminates a poor Filipino for a more poor Ethiopian is the new rage and all to save a few bucks.


But really...IMO...Dubai is a house of cards...


Again, time will tell, we will see what happens.... Best of luck, but do not expect me to visit anytime soon.


I would not like to live as a ruling class in a country that held the rule over the majority.

See Rhodesia, now Zimbabuae.

See South Africa.

Metro-One
04-09-2009, 05:40 AM
Fascist government and neo-conservative religious views are what we saw in the US from 2001 to 2009.

I completely agree with that as well, but at least people in the US did not have to go to prison if they faulted on their mortgages.

Cro Burnham
04-09-2009, 05:41 AM
Ministry to investigate BBC claims of labour violations
Published: April 08, 2009, 23:09

The Ministry of Slave Labor has decided to investigate? How reassuring! Half a decade late and 10 trillion dollars short.

This is just another real-life example of the classic scene in Casablanca:

Police Chief: "Close this place down: I'm shocked, shocked to learn that there is gambling going on in this establishment"

Card Dealer: "Your winnings, sir"

smussuw
04-09-2009, 05:41 AM
^^ Don't talk when u don't know anything

bnk lol, what an odd comparison. You are not suggesting that expatriates should get the right to vote are u? :haha:

Cro Burnham
04-09-2009, 05:49 AM
Fascist government and neo-conservative religious views are what we saw in the US from 2001 to 2009.

100% true - but are you blind to the integral relationship between Bush era policies and Dubai growth? Dubai would not be the obscene behemoth that it is today without the insane military, energy, and trade policies of the Bush government since 2000.

There is no point in comparing Bush-era America and Dubai as if one is more morally bankrupt and the other more ethical - both are inextricably tied co-conspirators of mass-scale inhumanity.

Cro Burnham
04-09-2009, 05:57 AM
^^ Don't talk when u don't know anything

R u addressing me, by any chance, my little would-be dictator? Such an oddly grandiose attitude seems very GWB-like and perfectly suited to one who would defend a moral wasteland like Dubai.

smussuw
04-09-2009, 06:24 AM
R u addressing me, by any chance, my little would-be dictator? Such an oddly grandiose attitude seems very GWB-like and perfectly suited to one who would defend a moral wasteland like Dubai.Yes I am addressing u because u don't know what ur talking about. If you followed the news u'd know that the government was working in solving the problem for a while now but u didn't bother, u rather post that ignorant comment.

Cro Burnham
04-09-2009, 06:31 AM
Yes I am addressing u because u don't know what ur talking about. If you followed the news u'd know that the government was working in solving the problem for a while now but u didn't bother, u rather post that ignorant comment.

Your highness, I'm fully confident that the authorities are being very diligent about it - no doubt we'll see a whole new regime of improved labor standards in Dubai in no time - i.e., once the construction industry has completed its implosion.

Note: labor standards do not typically improve during the bust phase of a cycle.

In any event, enjoy it all while it lasts. Do you, by any chance, work for the govt of Dubai?

smussuw
04-09-2009, 06:39 AM
^^ I do but that is really irrelevant. I criticize my country in many way including questioning our royal families about their income, the government corruption and our rights as citizens. This bullshit; however; is not one of them.

austlar1
04-09-2009, 07:41 AM
^^ Don't talk when u don't know anything

bnk lol, what an odd comparison. You are not suggesting that expatriates should get the right to vote are u? :haha:

Sounds like a good idea to me. It would l clean the place up real fast. If people are allowed to buy property and invest their lives somewhere, to my mind they become immigrants rather than expatriates. Eventually, in the CIVILIZED world, immigrants become citizens and VOTE!

smussuw
04-09-2009, 07:51 AM
^^ Expatriates wouldn't get the citizenship right if they were 80% of the population even in ur so called pathetic CIVILIZED world. So step out ur high horse. Would ur country do that if 80% of ur population were expatriate Muslims? Of course they wouldn't do that, let alone allowing them to become a majority in the first place. We offer them a better but a temporary life standard.

BTinSF
04-09-2009, 08:02 AM
Fascist government and neo-conservative religious views are what we saw in the US from 2001 to 2009.

Well I do NOT "completely agree" with it and I think the chorus of agreement from the usual ill-informed and politically immature Canadian forumers is a joke as well as irrelevant to this issue. One can argue that the Bush Administration had tendencies in this direction but those tendencies were sharply limited by the forces of democracy which are virtually unknown in any Persian Gulf state (with the possible exception of Kuwait where things aren't turning out so well: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123911916184897231.html#mod=WSJ_myyahoo_module ).

BTinSF
04-09-2009, 08:06 AM
^^ Expatriates wouldn't get the citizenship right if they were 80% of the population even in ur so called pathetic CIVILIZED world. So step out ur high horse. Would ur country do that if 80% of ur population were expatriate Muslims? Of course they wouldn't do that, let alone allowing them to become a majority in the first place. We offer them a better but a temporary life standard.

If we let them in, we would offer them a path to citizenship. But likely we wouldn't let them in in the first place because we would not attempt to recreate the civilization of ancient Rome with a few "citizens" living a life of luxury on the backs of much larger numbers of proles and slaves. It didn't work for Rome and it won't work, ultimately, for Dubai. You and your fellows need to give up your cushy government jobs and get your hands dirty building a real country. Or, if you can't do that, then offer those who do the work a chance to share the benefits.

smussuw
04-09-2009, 08:10 AM
^^ So u are not so different then.

Well I do NOT "completely agree" with it and I think the chorus of agreement from the usual ill-informed and politically immature Canadian forumers is a joke as well as irrelevant to this issue. One can argue that the Bush Administration had tendencies in this direction but those tendencies were sharply limited by the forces of democracy which are virtually unknown in any Persian Gulf state.Oh, its good to know that it was limited. I wonder what would happen if it wasn't, another nuclear bomb?

ssiguy
04-09-2009, 08:34 AM
Dubai always was and always will be a "McCity"..........shiny new city, just add oil.
I've never had any respect for the way Dubai has grown and have less so now than ever. I've always known about the slave labour and holding back passports. To me this article just confirmed my understandings.

Why go to Disneyland run by a jailor? It maybe fun, shiny,new, novel etc but at the end of the day you are still visiting a jail.

I think the Dubai crash is a wonderful thing. I have no empathy for the ultra rich who like to live off the spolis of others. The poor immigrants may finally get their passports back and it will be an end to an ecological disaster of planning.

Dubai had a chance to become a true Shangra-la in all ways to all people but instead choose to be a caste-ridden, despotic, unsustainable glorified mall.

Aleks
04-09-2009, 08:38 AM
Hmmm... Dubai was one of the top 20 cities I wanted to visit before I died....

and after reading the article... I think it moved up to the top 10.

nick_taylor
04-09-2009, 10:36 AM
Hmmm... Dubai was one of the top 20 cities I wanted to visit before I died....

and after reading the article... I think it moved up to the top 10.Probably best to make it your number one because its imploding faster than any city in history and possibly the purest example of a city undergoing of boom and bust scenario.

I sort of feel a tad sorry for the western suckers that invested there, but then something that sounds too good to be true tends to have a catch. I however have so sympathy for those who lived the life at the expense of others and have/will end up being destitute - hopefully these troglodytes are stuck in Dubai and can't return to the West. Treat others just as you would wish to be treated yourself.

Just a pity that so many resources got tied up in the city, what a waste.

Funkie
04-09-2009, 02:23 PM
After reading this, I totally lost my desire to visit this city.

I don't know if any of that is true... but if it is, I think Dubai will be facing extreme problems in the future.

For example the water quality:
Most people visit Dubai mainly because of the beaches. And just think: you’re standing at the ocean ready to take a swim and you see crap floating around!! That would totally ruin my trip. (And keep in mind that Dubai built these humongous palm islands to have more beaches for tourists)
I’m quite sure many people are not willing to pay thousands to swim in intoxicated water.

Given the fact that Dubai built everything to attract tourists, to have a source of income when oil gets low, I think the future of this town doesn't look that bright.

And I’m only talking about the touristic aspect here.

smussuw
04-09-2009, 02:35 PM
^^ The beach was closed for like a week and was opened later and the one responsible was fined. Don't see the point of blowing it out of proportion.

unusualfire
04-09-2009, 03:58 PM
^Ahhh then it was true. ewww

PhillyRising
04-09-2009, 04:39 PM
The life span of this thread isn't going to be for very long.

strongbad635
04-09-2009, 05:08 PM
100% true - but are you blind to the integral relationship between Bush era policies and Dubai growth?

Don't forget......President Bush was going to allow Dubai Ports International take over the ownership and operations for a dozen of our busiest ports (including NY, Long Beach, Baltimore, New Orleans). It wasn't until news got out and the American people got outraged that this policy was reversed.

Also, don't forget that the United Arab Emirates hid money and was exposed for covertly financing several of the hijackers from 9-11.

And Halliburton, the oil supply company once chaired by former Vice President Dick Cheney, is now headquartered there.

Dan Denson
04-09-2009, 06:16 PM
The religion issue is another big one. It's the source of so much backwards, thirteenth-century style behavior.

Agree. To some extent, we've got the same problem here in the U.S. with our own brand of religion (at least the fundamentalists).

VivaLFuego
04-09-2009, 06:34 PM
Dubai is just a miniature model of the gross discrepancies in wealth and the massive systems of capitalistic exploitation present in the world economy.

"Capitalism" that involves de facto slavery and discrimination is hardly true capitalism. At least, it's certainly not a free market, though in fairness there are some distinctions between the philosophy of classical liberalism (we'll call it "laissez-faire") and the economic structure of capitalism.

Fascist government and neo-conservative religious views are what we saw in the US from 2001 to 2009.
Now that's some sheer trolling bull and you know it - or perhaps you simply have no understanding of what the term "Fascist" means, nor an understanding of neo-conservatism (which has little if anything to do with religion), nor a shred of historical knowledge to know that labeling the US 2001-2009 as such completely diminishes the meaning and seriousness of these terms as applied to regimes in history that actually were as such. You're just throwing around buzzwords because they sound nice and make you feel good, even if you are using them completely inappropriately. If anything, the extent to which the Dubai government controls economic activity in the interest of the good of the Emirate is much more Fascistic than the cronyism that is running rampant in the US (and has, if anything intensified under Obama from it's already high level under Bush).

If you'd read the article, you'd note the author (generally correctly albeit debatably) applies "neo-liberal" to summarize some of the economic principles at play in the creation of what is now Dubai... neo-conservatism has little to do with it.

Generally good article, BTW, but yeah, in fairness to Dubai and it's boosters some of the more extreme claims warrant further corroboration/verification before being taken as the absolute truth.

strongbad635
04-09-2009, 09:05 PM
One could hardly call Dubai's financial system "free market." For one, it is a monarchy under the totalitarian auspices of an emir (king). Additionally, there is no such thing as a free market. Markets are the invention of societies, they are a set of rules, structures, and regulations put in place so that everybody plays by the same rules and the rules (in theory) make the game fir for everyone involved.

People who claim to be "free market capitalists" are in effect "no market capitalists." When the regulations are cut away, there is no market anymore. When there are one set of rules for this group of people and another set of rules for that group of people, the market is poorly designed. When there emerges a plutocracy, in which the super rich own so much of the wealth and property that there is virtually no democracy anywhere anymore, the market was either nonexistent or poorly designed /enforced. My guess is that Dubai will collapse into a backward society of religious nuts and little else before this happens there. As for the U.S........well.......we'll see.

Capsule F
04-09-2009, 09:32 PM
I tinhk this article is probably one of the most accurate ever written about Dubai. Stop comparing what you hear to the Dubai of 2 years ago, there is a big difference now.

smussuw
04-09-2009, 10:03 PM
Anyway, it is good that westerns don't want to come anymore. Many westerns don't respect our culture and rules. We are already fed up with their crap here so Dubai will be better without them.

smussuw
04-09-2009, 10:05 PM
"Capitalism" that involves de facto slavery and discrimination is hardly true capitalism. At least, it's certainly not a free market, though in fairness there are some distinctions between the philosophy of classical liberalism (we'll call it "laissez-faire") and the economic structure of capitalism.


Now that's some sheer trolling bull and you know it - or perhaps you simply have no understanding of what the term "Fascist" means, nor an understanding of neo-conservatism (which has little if anything to do with religion), nor a shred of historical knowledge to know that labeling the US 2001-2009 as such completely diminishes the meaning and seriousness of these terms as applied to regimes in history that actually were as such. You're just throwing around buzzwords because they sound nice and make you feel good, even if you are using them completely inappropriately. If anything, the extent to which the Dubai government controls economic activity in the interest of the good of the Emirate is much more Fascistic than the cronyism that is running rampant in the US (and has, if anything intensified under Obama from it's already high level under Bush).

If you'd read the article, you'd note the author (generally correctly albeit debatably) applies "neo-liberal" to summarize some of the economic principles at play in the creation of what is now Dubai... neo-conservatism has little to do with it.

Generally good article, BTW, but yeah, in fairness to Dubai and it's boosters some of the more extreme claims warrant further corroboration/verification before being taken as the absolute truth.instead of writing all this boring philosophy u should follow how the conversation went this way.

glowrock
04-09-2009, 10:17 PM
Anyway, it is good that westerns don't want to come anymore. Many westerns don't respect our culture and rules. We are already fed up with their crap here so Dubai will be better without them.

You know, at least SSP's other native Emirati (GO_UAE) is classy enough NOT to say garbage like this, smussuw.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's entirely wrong for SSPers to completely bash Dubai based upon one editorial article, but still, there's no doubt that many of the issues it brings up have a lot of truth to them, and Dubai IS having some pretty severe problems right now.

Please, this thread is already getting quite close to being closed, I'm sure. Don't bring it down with more of your anti-Western tirades. Thanks.

Aaron (Glowrock)

Reverberation
04-09-2009, 10:18 PM
Anyway, it is good that westerns don't want to come anymore. Many westerns don't respect our culture and rules. We are already fed up with their crap here so Dubai will be better without them.

That is troubling. I always saw Dubai as the city that united the Muslim and western economies. Given how much the place and the attitude has changed in one generation, they were really onto something good.

It's as if people forget that they are visiting a foreign country. You don't walk around China pointing out to the locals how suppressed they are under Communism and expect the authorities to thank you for it. The UAE is a foreign country and has been extremely permissive given it's history and culture. It would be wise to keep that in mind rather than pressure them to change by kicking them when they are down.

smussuw
04-09-2009, 10:33 PM
You know, at least SSP's other native Emirati (GO_UAE) is classy enough NOT to say garbage like this, smussuw.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's entirely wrong for SSPers to completely bash Dubai based upon one editorial article, but still, there's no doubt that many of the issues it brings up have a lot of truth to them, and Dubai IS having some pretty severe problems right now.

Please, this thread is already getting quite close to being closed, I'm sure. Don't bring it down with more of your anti-Western tirades. Thanks.

Aaron (Glowrock)I think I made it clear that I admit that Dubai has its share of problems so I don't know why I need to repeat that over and over. I accept criticism but only when it is productive. This bullshit here isn't really one. If they behaved and knew what they are talking about then they wouldn't get such comment from me. Go_UAE might actually have worse views than mine but he refine from rubbing it on ur faces and decide to go the nice way instead.

So if you don't want to read my garbage then ask ur fellow classy forumers to refine from writing all that crap.

gumgum
04-09-2009, 10:48 PM
So if you don't want to read my garbage then ask ur fellow classy forumers to refine from writing all that crap.
Umm...I think you mean refrain.

nomarandlee
04-09-2009, 11:25 PM
I think I made it clear that I admit that Dubai has its share of problems so I don't know why I need to repeat that over and over. I accept criticism but only when it is productive. This bullshit here isn't really one. If they behaved and knew what they are talking about then they wouldn't get such comment from me. Go_UAE might actually have worse views than mine but he refine from rubbing it on ur faces and decide to go the nice way instead.

So if you don't want to read my garbage then ask ur fellow classy forumers to refine from writing all that crap.

Oh please smussuw, your concerns start and end at the how much the natives get from the process. I have read enough of your post to know that you have borderline indifference if not at times outright hostility to exploited foreigner laborers. Your biggest concerns have shown to be allowing alcohol, skimpy clothing of ex-pats, Churches providing free meals on Christmas, and evil construction laborers who dare strike when Dubais own labor laws are being broken.

Again, please tell why if you are so adamant about acknowledging your city's issues have you been so adamant about any idea of unions, legal strikes, or real livable minimum wages instituted in your city that would start to go a long way in dealing with such serious issues? If you want to be taken seriously that you aknowledge the serious issues of Duba you will not duck the question again.


instead of writing all this boring philosophy u should follow how the conversation went this way.

One could very well follow the context of the conversation and easily come to the conclusion you don't know the first thing of what neo-conservative of fascistic means and Viva was correct to point it out. The fact that some entrenched partisans around here are happy to subscribe any epithet on the previous administration doesn't make your usage correct either. You know when you say that people who don't know Islam should speak of it, well consider that analogous to this scenario only your the one who shouldn't speak of what he doesn't know.....

MonkeyRonin
04-09-2009, 11:46 PM
Anyway, it is good that westerns don't want to come anymore. Many westerns don't respect our culture and rules. We are already fed up with their crap here so Dubai will be better without them.

"We" being the same Dubai that is focusing so heavily on a tourism based economy marketed primarily towards westerners?

Buckeye Native 001
04-09-2009, 11:51 PM
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia...

Capsule F
04-10-2009, 01:07 AM
I don't see anything wrong with suspecting Dubai to be a colossal urban failure. It hardly has anything to do with the article other then the slave-like labor. In a microcosm, I view Phoenix as somewhat similar, sans the slave labor. It has nothing to do so much with culture and politics.

BTinSF
04-10-2009, 08:39 AM
Anyway, it is good that westerns don't want to come anymore. Many westerns don't respect our culture and rules. We are already fed up with their crap here so Dubai will be better without them.

So if the population drops to something like the number of actual Dubai citizens, what will you do with all the buildings, who will maintain them, who will provide professional services like medical care and so on and so on and so on?

Dubai would simply have been a lot smarter not to become obsessed with grandiose architecture and bread/circuses for its citizens, but rather have spent its own (not borrowed) money on educating its own people in the various skill sets needed to run a modern society without importing people to do it for them. It would have then been nothing like the physical Dubai of today, but I think you are going to end up with a lot of empty crumbling buildings and debts to Abu Dhabi and others you can't pay. If you hadn't needed the expats to make the megacity you created work, you wouldn't need to worry about their tendencies to drink alcohol, wear insufficient clothes and violate local custom in other ways--they wouldn't have been there in the first place. But now it isn't at all clear to me how you think the place can work without them and all their inappropriate habits. You've sold your soul, my friend, and it may be time to pay up (are you familiar with Faust?).

nick_taylor
04-10-2009, 08:48 AM
Anyway, it is good that westerns don't want to come anymore. Many westerns don't respect our culture and rules. We are already fed up with their crap here so Dubai will be better without them.Without those westerners Dubai would have collapsed long ago under the debt burden. You'd all be back to herding camels quicker than you can say world's tallest tower; perhaps you could learn to be more respectful like the neighbouring emirates manage.

smussuw
04-10-2009, 10:18 AM
^^ r u referring to the same westerns who were responsible for this whole crisis? :haha:

Those westerns came here running for money they wouldn't have got otherwise in their old bankrupt full of crimes countries. They didn't do that for the sake of Dubai. They did it for the free tax money they put in their pockets. So, if there should be respect, it should mutual.

GO_UAE
04-10-2009, 11:01 AM
A large city having problems ? Oh no how strange

Sewage dumped into the sea because "some companies" went againts the law ? Oh my god i bet nothing pollution related ever took place in the good old US of A.

Slave like conditions introduced by indian and pakistani companies back home and coordinated with a set of new crooks in the UAE ? Oh my human exploitation , calm down my fellow americans , i know this is all new to you but bad things do happen in the world and what counts is when the people in power inforce huge fines and laws to fight againts it (which is the case in Dubai and the UAE)

this subject is so tedious and boring ..... makes me laugh everytime seeing people writing stuff like "I was juust about to go to Dubai but after reading an article i will never ever go there, bohoohoo"

well my reply is "ok?"

Dubai as a city is facing problems mainly due to lack of management when it was first established , and it is working on fixing them on every level , what more can you ask for ? so many things i hate about Dubai aswell BUT this article is stupid , and most of you here are aswell (sorry i apologize but it really is the truth) not so respectful of me but i do have an opinion you know ...

GO_UAE
04-10-2009, 12:25 PM
Source:http://www.gulfnews.com/opinion/columns/nation/10302676.html

It seems to be that time of the year again: slow news days for independent journalists with a conscience.

There's little to write about. Nothing seems to be too wrong with the world. There's no one to save. George W. Bush has gone and his successor Barack Obama seems to be of stable mind. All is well at 10 Downing Street too. And Mother Teresa, or the Saint of the Gutters, as labelled by some journalists, has been dead and gone for 12 years. No news angle on her too. No questions to raise on how she got her funds, never mind that she tended to the sick, fed the hungry, clothed the naked and gave hope to those shunned by their societies.

But if news days were slow a decade or so ago, journalists, endeavouring to save the world, had a ready cause: bash Mother Teresa. After skimming the surface, word smiths would conjure up a dark image of the nun. Never had such a witch lived even in the dark ages.

Had they seen both sides of the story? No. Had they lived even a week in her shoes? No.

Alas! That angle's dead too.

But wait a minute. There's something to bash after all... Dubai.

And they come, one by one, ever so often, to prove that they still have fire in their souls. Their hearts have not turned to stone despite being on the field for years and witnessing man's every perversion. And if injustice is perceived, then they spew vitriol. But they say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

One such writer from The Independent descended on Dubai recently, and was apparently deeply moved by the tale of a woman who was living in a car. She and her husband, like many others, came from Canada to find a better life here. The question is why come here? But that's another story for a slow news day. Just a fleeting thought: her husband came here to make big bucks, right?

Her husband, according to the woman, went on a shopping spree, buying a few properties here and there as they party-hopped. It later emerged the man was living way beyond his means because he had been diagnosed with an illness and felt he didn't have much time left in this world.

The saga continued - he resigned, believing his end of service benefits would clear his debts. But the payment wasn't enough - he was still in debt. The man, therefore, went to jail, as per the law of the land.

The woman lamented that they weren't aware of the consequences of bankruptcy. Whose fault is that? Dubai's? What happens when you offend the law in any other country?

She recounts the death of her husband's Sri Lankan cellmate, another man with debts. He allegedly committed suicide by swallowing blades. And who is to blame for that? Dubai? Aren't there similar stories around the world? Or is bankruptcy and its tragic fallouts peculiar to Dubai?

The writer goes on to say there are many like the protagonist in this tale who live in the airport and in cars. There are even some who apparently sleep secretly in the sand dunes! Now, isn't that stretching a vivid imagination a wee much? The desert can be unforgiving terrain. The wise, old Bedouin will tell you that without batting an eyelid. And if that were the case, with scores sleeping in sand dunes, we wouldn't have many slow news days here.

No writer worth his salt would paint a dark picture without dramatising the labour problems here. Yes, we know they exist. The authorities have strengthened the law, set up courts and are paying full attention to human rights. But to question whether the toil is worth the few dirhams more is downright absurd. Tell that to the Third World mother of the young girl with matted brown hair and rheumy eyes - the tell-tale signs of malnutrition - who rummages through the garbage skip looking for discarded chicken bones. That will be dinner for the night, boiled in a steel vessel by the roadside, right next to the open drain that carries sewage. Her husband is out for most of the day, looking for odd jobs to provide his family with one square meal a day, while the woman chases away roving roadside perverts. Tell that to the 16-year-old mother, who suffered third-degree burns as she tried to save her newborn, who nearly fell into the pot she was cooking in. She lay on the street, her legs eaten by gangrene, infested with maggots. Her husband, a fruit seller, didn't have the wherewithal to get her treated. Shahida Khatoon died a few days later.

Workers have it tough. There can be no debate on that. But what are their governments doing to improve their lot in their homelands? The issue is complex. Romanticising a problem with blinkered vision leads to a jaundiced opinion.

No twisted picture would be complete without reference to a slavish society, one that is waited upon hand on foot by housemaids. Agreed, those who sell slaves are at fault, but what about those who use their services? Those who get someone to wheel the groceries to their expensive cars, and another to wash their floors, but cannot afford the luxury back home. Crusade only when you haven't sinned. You cannot uphold the law when you break its clauses. There's even reference to members of one nationality throwing themselves before cars so that their relatives are paid blood money. How ludicrous does that sound?

And can you fault a government for doing the right thing for its people? Why is Dubai to blame for encouraging Emiratis and looking after their welfare?

Perhaps, it's time writers looked within during those slow news days. Teenage crime and homelessness are on the rise and jobs are evaporating fast.

Why lampoon Dubai because some adults took the chapter on the reproductive system in their biology textbooks a little too seriously on the beach and the law then took its course.

One cannot but wonder if there is a hint of jealousy. After all, the desert sands were transformed into a wonder in three decades thanks to the vision of its leadership. Or do these word smiths want a piece of the Dubai cake? Did someone say something about grapes being sour?

Cro Burnham
04-10-2009, 01:05 PM
Those westerns came here running for money they wouldn't have got otherwise in their old bankrupt full of crimes countries. They didn't do that for the sake of Dubai. They did it for the free tax money they put in their pockets. So, if there should be respect, it should mutual.

So true. Money-chasing westerners in Dubai who are so thrilled to be waited on by powerless servants rank among the lowest form of humanity. I cackle with glee to read of their demise. These are the people who truly sold their souls to the devil.

BTinSF
04-10-2009, 01:06 PM
can you fault a government for doing the right thing for its people? Why is Dubai to blame for encouraging Emiratis and looking after their welfare?

One cannot but wonder if there is a hint of jealousy. After all, the desert sands were transformed into a wonder in three decades thanks to the vision of its leadership. Or do these word smiths want a piece of the Dubai cake? Did someone say something about grapes being sour?

You cannot fault a government for trying but the way Dubai has tried seems to those with any sense of history to be extraordinarily unlikely to meet with long-term success. It is counter-historical to accept that an entire society can be created to allow a privileged 20% or so to live in luxury on the labor; fairly paid, unfairly paid or unpaid; of the other 80% and remain stable. It simply does not seem to many of us that Dubai can be anything but a 100-story Potemkin village because it seems unlikely that a great and successful city can be created in little more than a decade out of nothing but money and the will of an autocratic ruler.

It becomes a question whether we believe it or not. Yes, to the extent we believe, we are jealous. But I have little jealousy because I have little belief. I am fairly certain Dubai has fatal flaws. If the flaws revealed in this article aren't the real ones, then I believe there are others.

But if Dubai is thriving in 50 years--or even 20--then I will have been wrong. If not, you and smussuw will be.

Cro Burnham
04-10-2009, 01:30 PM
Top 3 fatal flaws:

#3 - slave labor
#2 - no water
#1 - no water

glowrock
04-10-2009, 02:02 PM
A large city having problems ? Oh no how strange

Sewage dumped into the sea because "some companies" went againts the law ? Oh my god i bet nothing pollution related ever took place in the good old US of A.

Slave like conditions introduced by indian and pakistani companies back home and coordinated with a set of new crooks in the UAE ? Oh my human exploitation , calm down my fellow americans , i know this is all new to you but bad things do happen in the world and what counts is when the people in power inforce huge fines and laws to fight againts it (which is the case in Dubai and the UAE)

this subject is so tedious and boring ..... makes me laugh everytime seeing people writing stuff like "I was juust about to go to Dubai but after reading an article i will never ever go there, bohoohoo"

well my reply is "ok?"

Dubai as a city is facing problems mainly due to lack of management when it was first established , and it is working on fixing them on every level , what more can you ask for ? so many things i hate about Dubai aswell BUT this article is stupid , and most of you here are aswell (sorry i apologize but it really is the truth) not so respectful of me but i do have an opinion you know ...

GO_UAE,

Again, I'm not going to justify some of the anti-Dubai rants of some of my fellow SSPers, but I will make an attempt to explain what's going on here.

Dubai, and to a lesser extent, UAE in general terms, was boasting emphatically that they were going to be the Paris of the Middle East, that Westerns would flock there, that the business climate was amazing, that the taxes were very low or non-existant, and that everything they were building was five star this, seven star that, etc... etc... There was absolutely no mention of HOW this money came into being, or HOW the construction was being built and/or financed. Dubai was heavily, extremely heavily, marketing itself to the West, period.

As a result, HUGE numbers of westerners DID come, no doubt about it. When companies move headquarters there, when huge banks develop huge regional hubs there, of course they need people to run their operations. Thus, huge numbers of westerners.

This is an of itself isn't really a problem. However, what has resulted is that the Dubai (and again, to a lesser extent, UAE in general) is a culture of a very small percentage of the "ruling class" (ie: Emiratis) with an enormous percentage of "outsiders". Another problem, just as large in my humble opinion, is that it's very, very true that many Westerners simply had no clue as to the cultural, legal, and socioeconomic norms of the region. There's no question that there was likely (and still IS) a huge lack of respect for the laws and culture of Dubai (and again, of the UAE in general).

All of that being said, Dubai made very, very little mention of these things when it was marketing itself to the world. It's disingenuous for Dubai to so heavily market itself to Westerners without expecting a change in its cultural and social norms. This in and of itself was an enormous problem, and is something that's very much contributing to the problems Dubai faces today.

Dubai simply has grown too fast, too high, too big, too everything, and infrastructure (social, engineered, or otherwise) simply hasn't kept up. You can only build shiny new buildings and new offshore islands for so long without facing electrical, sewage, and other infrastructure problems, not to mention the fact that worldwide recessions DO happen, and when they occur, "glimmering city-states" like Dubai are some of the first to feel their effects.

Interestingly enough, I really didn't see many of the same problems in Abu Dhabi as I've read about when it comes to Dubai. Perhaps Abu Dhabi, being so rich with oil, has been heavily sheltered from borrow and spend mentality of Dubai and thus hasn't faced many of the same issues, perhaps it simply grew a bit slower, perhaps it grew with more consideration given to infrastructure, perhaps it just marketed itself a bit less aggressively to Westerners in general, I'm not sure.

No question though, the differences between citizens and immigrant workers is simply huge, however. I've never before visited a place where there is such a low percentage of citizens and such a high percentage of immigrants. In Abu Dhabi's case, as opposed to what I've read about Dubai, it seems that the immigrant workers appear to be treated more fairly and overall much better, though. I know I mentioned this to you several times when I was out there last fall (and I'm sure I'll mention it again to you when I likely come back to Abu Dhabi in November of this year).

Anyhow, perhaps in a few years, once the excesses of BOTH Dubai and Abu Dhabi come to pass, their economies will fluorish once again, but in a more sustainable way. You can't simply take the opinion that "build it, and they will come", without expecting that the "they" will be made up of people who don't necessarily agree with and/or abide by the cultural, social, legal, and economic norms of your society.

I hope this explains my personal opinions regarding the region.

Aaron (Glowrock)

glowrock
04-10-2009, 02:05 PM
^^ r u referring to the same westerns who were responsible for this whole crisis? :haha:

Those westerns came here running for money they wouldn't have got otherwise in their old bankrupt full of crimes countries. They didn't do that for the sake of Dubai. They did it for the free tax money they put in their pockets. So, if there should be respect, it should mutual.

smussuw,

Yes, there was (and is) tons of Western greed that contributed to the successes of Dubai (and Abu Dhabi and UAE in general). However, this was brought on by the nearly continuous advertising by Dubai about it being the Paris of the Middle East, a fantastic place, with very low taxes, an amazing business climate, fantastic amenities, world class this, world class that, etc... etc...

The problem is two-sided, my friend.

Aaron (Glowrock)

smussuw
04-10-2009, 03:48 PM
Say that I’d written that in first world Britain there are 380,00 homeless

Friday, 10 April 2009

I recently figured that if British journalists such as Johann Hari (Tuesday, 7 April) who come to Dubai don't send back something sensationalist it won't get printed and they won't get paid. After all, sleaze sells.

I called a British journalist friend of mine and said: "I'm going to write an article about London, the same way your compatriots write about Dubai." By the time I was back at home I had come to my senses, it's not fair to London, a city so dear to my heart, or Londoners to be judged by the actions of a few. It's easy to generalise about a country when figures are manipulated to sensationalise and sell papers.

Say for example that I had written an article that states that, in wealthy first world Britain there are 380,000 homeless people, many of them mentally ill, starving and abandoned in sub-zero temperatures to live on the streets.

Say then that I wrote an article that states that Britain, the so called "jail capital of Western Europe" sentenced in 2006 alone a staggering additional 12,000 women to prison and that up to seven babies a month are born in jail where they spend their crucial first months.

I could have written an article that stated Britain, victor in the Second World War, had given refuge to 400 Nazi war criminals, with all but one of them getting away with it. Or one stating that the number of Indians who died while serving the British Empire, to build your Tube and grow your tea, is so large it is simply unquantifiable by any historian.

Or say I write an article about the 2.5 million-strong Indian volunteer army who served Britain during the Second World War, where 87,000 of them died for their occupiers' freedom and yet until recently those who survived continued to be discriminated against in pay and pension.

I could have written an article that stated that, in civilised Britain, one in every 23 teenage girls had an abortion and in 2006 more than 17,000 of the 194,000 abortions carried out in England and Wales involved girls below the age of 18.

I could have written an article stating that Britain, the human rights champion, not wanting to get its hands dirty, had resorted to secretly outsourcing torture to Third World states under the guise of rendition by allowing up to 170 so called CIA torture flights to use its bases. Or that Britain's MI5 unlawfully shared with the CIA secret material to interrogate suspects and "facilitate interviews" including cases where the suspects were later proven to be innocent.

I could have written an article that stated that the Britain of family values is the only country in the EU that recruits child soldiers as young as 16 into its Army and ships them off battlegrounds in Iraq and Afghanistan, putting it in the same league as African dictatorships and Burma.

I could have written an article that states that Britain either recently did or has yet to sign the Council of Europe Convention on Action against Trafficking in Human Beings, the United Nations Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the involvement of children in armed conflict or the UN's International Convention on the Protection of the Rights of All Migrant Workers and Members of Their Families .

I could have highlighted the fact that liberal Britain is responsible for the physical and racial abuse of hundreds of failed asylum-seekers at the hands of private security guards during their forced removal from the country .

I could have written about the countless cases of slave-like working conditions of immigrant labours such as the 23 Chinese workers who lost their lives in 2004 as they harvested cockles in the dangerous rising tides in Morecambe Bay.

I could have written about how mortality rates from liver diseases due to alcohol abuse have declined in Europe in recent decades but in Britain the rate trebled in the same period reflecting deep societal failures.

I could have written about how in "Big Brother" Britain maltreatment of minors is so serious that one in 10, or an estimated one million children a year, suffer physical, sexual, emotional abuse or neglect.

Or that according to Oxfam 13.2 million people in the UK live in poverty – a staggering 20 per cent of the population in the sixth richest nation in the world.

I could have written all that, but out of respect for Britain, I decided not to. Because when you stitch together a collection of unconnected facts taken out of context, you end up with a distorted and inaccurate picture: something that Britain's Dubai-bashers would do well to learn.

The writer is a journalist based in Dubai

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/sultan-sooud-al-gassemi-if-you-think-dubai-is-bad-just-look-at-your-own-country-1666748.html

smussuw
04-10-2009, 03:52 PM
smussuw,

Yes, there was (and is) tons of Western greed that contributed to the successes of Dubai (and Abu Dhabi and UAE in general). However, this was brought on by the nearly continuous advertising by Dubai about it being the Paris of the Middle East, a fantastic place, with very low taxes, an amazing business climate, fantastic amenities, world class this, world class that, etc... etc...

The problem is two-sided, my friend.

Aaron (Glowrock)okay, so either they were so dumb to be deceived or they accept Dubai as it is. Either ways, while Dubai is not nearly as good as Paris we are still on track.

glowrock
04-10-2009, 04:09 PM
okay, so either they were so dumb to be deceived or they accept Dubai as it is. Either ways, while Dubai is not nearly as good as Paris we are still on track.

smussuw, that in and of itself is the problem here. Dubai essentially hyped itself up so much to outsiders without even a mention of the differences between its own cultural and social norms and the "Western" cultural and social norms that it, for intents and purposes, flat-out lied.

Again, without a doubt, there are MANY Westerners who came to Dubai to make nothing more than a quck buck (or a few million bucks), and I don't necessarily feel sorry for them. However, many of them were essentially duped by Dubai's advertisements, and fell right into a situation in which they felt trapped and couldn't escape.

The question is here, does Dubai accept itself the way it is? Does Dubai accept that, due to its advertising itself out to the West without necessarily taking into account the social and cultural norms of those people it was advertising to, its very own culture is going to change with the influx of outsiders? Or did Dubai advertise to potentially hundreds of thousands to millions of people expecting all of them to change their norms to those of its own?

Not an attack, but a serious question. You seem to live in Dubai rather than Abu Dhabi, so perhaps you can answer this question. Would you prefer Dubai not commercialize itself so much out to Westerners, knowing that while your cultural and social norms will be preserved, your economic situation might not be as affluent as a result? Or would you prefer Dubai continue along its current path, but knowing that the cultural and social norms which you currently accept will change as a result?

You really can't have it both ways.

Aaron (Glowrock)

smussuw
04-10-2009, 04:51 PM
Not an attack, but a serious question. You seem to live in Dubai rather than Abu Dhabi, so perhaps you can answer this question. Would you prefer Dubai not commercialize itself so much out to Westerners, knowing that while your cultural and social norms will be preserved, your economic situation might not be as affluent as a result? Or would you prefer Dubai continue along its current path, but knowing that the cultural and social norms which you currently accept will change as a result?

You really can't have it both ways.

Aaron (Glowrock)Oh, I'd rather preserve our cultural and social norm than turning Dubai to the dull no identity place we are having now. We don't need a +10% growth every year. I am against the very stuff u mentioned including marketing Dubai as western play ground. In anyway, I cannot accept the saying that westerns were lied on. When someone goes abroad to work he should do his homework and study the place but they didn't. They rather close their ears and enjoy their + $100k salaries. This is what the majority are, they live in their ghettos acting as if they are in their countries.

Not having it both ways is arguable anyway.

glowrock
04-10-2009, 04:56 PM
Oh, I'd rather preserve our cultural and social norm than turning Dubai to the dull no identity place we are having now. We don't need a +10% growth every year. I am against the very stuff u mentioned including marketing Dubai as western play ground. In anyway, I cannot accept the saying that westerns were lied on. When someone goes abroad to work he should do his homework and study the place but they didn't. They rather close their ears and enjoy their + $100k salaries. This is what the majority are, they live in their ghettos acting as if they are in their countries.

Not having it both ways is arguable anyway.

That's a fair answer, smussuw. I can respect that you'd rather keep Dubai the way it was before the huge economic boom and the influx of the westerners.

And yes, while you and I may disagree very much as to the extent that Dubai "lied" or at least "hid the truth" when it came to advertising itself as a Westerners playground, I do agree with you that people definitely DO need to do their homework before packing up and moving overseas, especially to a place whose customs are far, far different than those of their own nation.

Aaron (Glowrock)

PS: If I do make it out to Abu Dhabi later on this year, I'd like to meet up with you. Always nice to put a face to a name on the forum! :)

PA Pride
04-10-2009, 05:50 PM
Abu Dhabi is starting to sound like a much more stable city. Is it westerner friendly or more traditional? I think i would like a city that is more mistrusting of outsiders considering the types of travelers from US/Europe who go to UAE to act like idiots. (which by the way sounds like more of a british phenomenon than anything)

strongbad635
04-10-2009, 05:56 PM
It's rather ironic and laughable that a city such as Dubai would like to market themselves as the "Paris of the Middle East." What do you get when you walk down the street in Paris? An urban streetscape that is pleasant, walkable, charming, and scaled to the human. The blocks all have an organic relationship to one another, the buildings have uniform (and classically detailed) facades that create the sense of being in an outdoor room. The streets are narrow, numerous, and connected in a dense web, which tames automotive traffic and makes the sidewalks pleasant enough that people pay good money to sip coffee at sidewalk cafes. All in all, a magical experience to behold is a stroll along a Parisian avenue.

What do we have in Dubai? A streetscape that consists of high volume, high speed thoroughfares where vehicles zoom by at up to 55 mph, creeating a convenient opportunity on the sidewalk for those interested in committing suicide. And what types of real estate abut these automotive sewers? You're greeted by the unending charm of huge glass/cement towers that often present blank walls to the sidewalk. Oops, did I say sidewalk? Hahahahaha! Those are ancient relics of a bygone era when people got from place to place on foot. LOL! Upon closer inspection, the vast empty spaces between the huge towers are occupied by massive parking lots, to store all of the cars that belong to those people who otherwise might be walking or using transit (ha!) Sidewalk cafes? Not exactly. In order to find a bite to eat, you will need to drive (yes, it's your only choice) to a nearby strip mall and eat in some corporate fry pit, or visit one of the local mega malls, which at evening prayers have all the civic ambiance of the lunar surface.

Oh yeah, Paris and Dubai are one in the same. What a joke. Dubai should market themselves as the "Brasilia of the Middle East," or perhaps "The closest earthly simulation to walking on the surface of Mars."

glowrock
04-10-2009, 06:08 PM
Abu Dhabi is starting to sound like a much more stable city. Is it westerner friendly or more traditional? I think i would like a city that is more mistrusting of outsiders considering the types of travelers from US/Europe who go to UAE to act like idiots. (which by the way sounds like more of a british phenomenon than anything)

From what I saw during my month in Abu Dhabi, it's certainly more traditional/conservative than what I've read and briefly seen of Dubai. That being said, I never once felt any ill-will being a Westerner there...

Aaron (Glowrock)

Krases
04-10-2009, 06:14 PM
Source:http://www.gulfnews.com/opinion/columns/nation/10302676.html

...was the author trying to compare Dubai to Mother Teresa?

It seems like Dubai lovers are trying to defend the city by smearing other places in the world. "Were pretty bad, but they are worse!" to me doesn't seem like the best defense.

I really used to like this city. But after reading a lot about some of the horrors of the city, its very hard to like it at all.

What disgusts me the most is that there is such a big attempt to squish dissenters. Its illegal to say anything that could damage the cities reputation. I am sure the author of "The Dark Side of Dubai" would be arrested if he tried to revisit the city. For all we know these problems could just be the tip of the iceberg.

Tom In Chicago
04-10-2009, 06:17 PM
If I read another post that out-right refers to the labor conditions in Dubai as "slave-labor" this thread is going to be shut down. . .

Actually the more I think about it, I'm shutting it down anyways. . . it appears as though no new constructive dialog regarding the situation in Dubai is coming to light. . . it's mostly the rants of the same individuals who've either never been there or even have a working knowlege beyond the last 5 years of what's been going on in Dubai. . . it's been reported that there's an anti-Dubai streak in the media which I guess is no surprise. . . so maybe we can all talk about the uselessness of Las Vegas considering those of you who keep coming back to these city-bashing threads made the horribly inaccurate comparisons between the two cities. . .

Better yet. . . let's not and just talk about something useful that's NOT inherantly inflamintory, self righteous or most importantly factually incorrect. . .

. . .



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