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ForestryW
Dec 10, 2010, 12:19 AM
Glad to hear there's still progress despite the snow!:tup:

sparky212
Dec 19, 2010, 8:57 PM
the site is now surounded in a brown hoarding and there is a piling machine on site

haljackey
Dec 20, 2010, 2:23 AM
Drove past the site yesterday, and there was a pretty huge hole dug out.

Glad to see they got all (or at least most) of the site prep done before the ground froze. I remember last year the ground work wasn't done in time at Western's new Ivey business building. It really slowed down the pace of construction.

Kokkei Mizu
Dec 20, 2010, 10:45 PM
I drove past the other day, and I saw the crane moving around hard at work...

MolsonExport
Dec 29, 2010, 1:47 AM
^drove past this afternoon. Appears as though the concrete bottom of the tub is done. The crane is about half the height of the neighboring phase 1. Probably will be jacked up higher when the tower gets up to 10 storeys or so. This is all great for King street commerce. Hope that it will transform that part of York (really crappy) and moreover, south Richmond (even crappier).

Snark
Mar 5, 2011, 11:31 PM
You'd think there would at least be something on their website, but nada:

Lots of substance there now. Full court sales press. I love the top penthouse. Anyone here thinking of buying it? ;)

On a more serious side, the rate of sales with this project is key to determining the potential for future developments of a similar nature. It's an excellent canary.

ForestryW
Mar 6, 2011, 10:21 PM
Lots of substance there now. Full court sales press. I love the top penthouse. Anyone here thinking of buying it? ;)

On a more serious side, the rate of sales with this project is key to determining the potential for future developments of a similar nature. It's an excellent canary.

Related to this, I had a lecture a few days ago from the man who initiated Kitchener's brownfield redevelopment strategy. He said it took him a lot of time and energy canvassing developers to find someone interested in developing condos in downtown Kitchener - most developers thought that condos would never fly in Kitchener-Waterloo since everyone wanted single-family homes. But once they found a developer willing to convert the Kaufmann Building downtown to condos, and once it became apparent that project had been successful, they got the ball rolling on a whole number of downtown projects (not just brownfields).

All it takes was for one developer to take a risk and show that something can turn a profit, and the rest will follow.

Snark
Mar 8, 2011, 3:11 AM
Related to this, I had a lecture a few days ago from the man who initiated Kitchener's brownfield redevelopment strategy. He said it took him a lot of time and energy canvassing developers to find someone interested in developing condos in downtown Kitchener - most developers thought that condos would never fly in Kitchener-Waterloo since everyone wanted single-family homes. But once they found a developer willing to convert the Kaufmann Building downtown to condos, and once it became apparent that project had been successful, they got the ball rolling on a whole number of downtown projects (not just brownfields).

All it takes was for one developer to take a risk and show that something can turn a profit, and the rest will follow.

Kitchener is trying hard to make a go of the condo thing as so much of its downtown has old abandoned industrial sites. London has none. The business models are quite different as a result.

Bear in mind that to date there have been two condo developments in downtown Kitchener - both refurbished buildings that had a prior use. The first, the Kaufman factory re-development, while considered a success now, had terrible birthing pains: 6 or more years late, horrid industrial contamination, and buyers forced to live in hotels for 6 or 8 months because their units were not completed in time.

The second development- the re-development of the old Eaton's department store - was an unmitigated disaster. The building was not (and still isn't) complete, was denied occupancy permits because it was not built to code, and eventually the "developer" split town. The buyers were royally screwed left holding the bag.

A third development - the re-development of the old Arrow shirt factory by Andrin has been ongoing for 6 or 8 years and there seems to be no end in site. There never seems to be more than a handful of workers on site at any given time, although some progress is visible once again.

A fourth project is a new 17 story development. It has been stalled for over 7 years however. The developer now says that they will start building only after two-thirds of the units are pre-sold. This isn't expected until 2012 at the earliest.

So, in short, there has been one brownfield condo redevelopment in downtown Kitchener to date that could be said to be successful (and only then after great birthing pains). Subsequent "spin-off" condo projects have been less than successful to date however. That isn't to say that things won't improve, but for now the record is checkered.

A current brownfield redevelopment in downtown Kitchener that is looking to be quite successful is the re-development of the Lang Tannery factory, although that is offices not residential (at least for now).

Kokkei Mizu
Mar 12, 2011, 5:59 AM
Some photo updates for you guys. Nobody was working even though it was mid-day on a Wednesday. Either everybody was on lunch or because it was raining...

http://www.commutebyrail.org/stuff/ren1.jpg

http://www.commutebyrail.org/stuff/ren2.jpg

Whisper09
Apr 14, 2011, 8:27 AM
This is all the construction that I took on 13/04/2011

All photos are in the East Parking Lot facing West. There's not really much to see from any other direction.

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz124/Whisper91/London/IMG_1974.jpg?t=1302769038

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz124/Whisper91/London/IMG_1978.jpg?t=1302769514

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz124/Whisper91/London/IMG_1975.jpg?t=1302769037

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz124/Whisper91/London/IMG_1976.jpg?t=1302769037

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz124/Whisper91/London/IMG_1979.jpg?t=1302769032

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz124/Whisper91/London/IMG_1982.jpg?t=1302769035

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz124/Whisper91/London/IMG_1983.jpg?t=1302769034

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz124/Whisper91/London/IMG_1984.jpg?t=1302769033

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz124/Whisper91/London/IMG_1985-1.jpg?t=1302769511

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz124/Whisper91/London/IMG_1986.jpg?t=1302769032

That's all for now! I will be posting more updates the more I get out.

ldoto
Apr 15, 2011, 4:12 AM
:previous:It is coming along!!!!:cool:

Dwils01
Apr 15, 2011, 4:33 AM
Are developers allegric to glass in this city? :shrug:
The only glass towers I've seen in London is the Talbot Centre and One London Place which are amazing buildings.
You guys should get a glass condo, you're starting to look like Hamilton.

Kokkei Mizu
Apr 15, 2011, 5:30 AM
Are developers allegric to glass in this city? :shrug:
The only glass towers I've seen in London is the Talbot Centre and One London Place which are amazing buildings.
You guys should get a glass condo, you're starting to look like Hamilton.

The Old East development is going to be mostly glass. Here's a render:

http://www.londontopic.ca/artimages/md/EOAproposeddevelopment.jpg

Dwils01
Apr 15, 2011, 6:42 PM
That doesn't look that bad.
Nice to see London getting some good proposals.

sparky212
Apr 15, 2011, 8:06 PM
Drove by today and they have walls finnished on the ridout and york sorry no pics didnt have my camera.

Kokkei Mizu
Apr 16, 2011, 3:10 AM
That doesn't look that bad.
Nice to see London getting some good proposals.

Not a proposal. It's already 5 stories tall :)

ldoto
May 11, 2011, 3:22 AM
People think nothing about shelling out big bucks for luxury condominium living in the core.


This might be just the beginning of the million-dollar condominium in London.

Within 24 hours of unveiling them, Tricar Group sold two million-dollar condominiums that will sit atop the second downtown Renaissance tower. The developer is now looking at sites for yet another tower in the downtown.

"We were shocked," Joe Carapella, president of Tricar Group, said of the quick sale. "We wondered whether London was ready but these are firm deals and we could have sold others if we had them."

Tricar has pre-sold 30 condominiums in its new, 188-unit building and 16 of those are penthouses. There are 21 penthouses in the building that won't open until mid-2013.

"When people are prepared to spend that kind of money in housing, they could live anywhere, but that tells you downtown is very happening," Carapella said.

The two $1-million condo buyers were London and area residents, a professional and entrepreneur who preferred not to be named.

"We are absolutely looking for a place to build another tower. We think this is in its infancy - it is the early days of the rebirth of downtown London," Carapella said.

Jim Kennedy, president of the London Development Institute, agreed, saying "there is a lot of interest" among developers and builders considering the core, especially in light of the city and Fanshawe College planning to build a $20-million education campus in the core. And that's on the heels of the city spending $100 million on downtown development in recent years.

"People are looking downtown, they are waiting and seeing what is happening with the economy and the new city hall," and other development proposals, Kennedy said.

But London is part of a trend across Canada. More cities are seeing people return to their downtown, with empty nesters tiring of mowing the lawn, driving everywhere and the blandness of suburban life, said Jason Gilliland, director of the urban development program at the University of Western Ontario.

"This is happening not just in London, condos are going up like crazy everywhere. It is about a real demographic shift" as baby boomers age, he said.

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Downtown living

Tricar Group has buildings at 22 Picton St., 125 units; a condominium at Wellington and Pall Mall, 80 units; the first Renaissance tower has 277 units and the second will be 188 units. That's a total of 670 units with about two people living in each unit.

In addition, Drewlo, Auburn and Old Oak have all built new residences in the core.

More than 5,000 people live downtown and 16,000 in central London.
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MolsonExport
May 11, 2011, 1:22 PM
The developer is now looking at sites for yet another tower in the downtown.



This has made my day!

MrSlippery519
May 11, 2011, 2:04 PM
This has made my day!

Agreed me too!! I do hope if/when Tricar finds another suitable site for downtown they change up the design a bit, I think a nice 30+ floor 100ft glass residential tower is the next step for down town London.

Maybe King/Clarence or Queens/Talbot area could fit the bill?

haljackey
May 11, 2011, 3:54 PM
Agreed me too!! I do hope if/when Tricar finds another suitable site for downtown they change up the design a bit, I think a nice 30+ floor 100ft glass residential tower is the next step for down town London.

Maybe King/Clarence or Queens/Talbot area could fit the bill?

We have a thread for this: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=190081

:P

If we get some "Toronto Style" downtown condos, that would change everything!

MrSlippery519
May 11, 2011, 8:20 PM
We have a thread for this: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=190081

:P

If we get some "Toronto Style" downtown condos, that would change everything!

lol ya thanks!!

Seriously though I do wondering what he is thinking now that the Renaissance towers have been more successful than most people thought originally. Maybe Fahri will get off his butt and actually do something like that now that he knows there is a market?

new age
May 11, 2011, 9:55 PM
The developer is now looking at sites for yet another tower in the downtown.

Tricar has pre-sold 30 condominiums in its new, 188-unit building
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As much as the talk of looking for a new site sounds good, the pre sales numbers are not good at all. The fact they even started construction with less then 20% sales is not in the norm.

Snark
May 12, 2011, 2:59 AM
As much as the talk of looking for a new site sounds good, the pre sales numbers are not good at all. The fact they even started construction with less then 20% sales is not in the norm.

Incorrect

They intentionally started construction with 0% sales. They are doing this with a faith in the market. They don't require future unit owners' money to finance the project: Tricar and their financiers are putting up their own money because they are confident that they will recoup the investment. If the financiers who are putting up the money didn't believe in the business plan, there would be no project. Not all condo projects require future owners to finance the development's own construction - only developments where no one is willing to risk their money in what they feel is an uncertain market require future owners to finance the project's construction (i.e. City Centre in Kitchener).

If they have sold 20% by volume and at least 30% by value in roughly 8 months - mostly without much publicity, and have another 18 or 20 months before owners take possession, I'd say that they are doing fine.

Besides, why the hell would they publicly announce that they were on a property hunt for future developments if this development was going badly in their view?

This is a huge vote of confidence in the downtown London market.

new age
May 12, 2011, 9:25 AM
I did say not the norm. It is a good sign that Tricar has the money, and would put it behind the project. It is all so a good sign for future condo developments that the high end ones went first. This should translate into buildings of higher quality.

On the bad side you are optimistically predicting 2+ years to sell out, and until then I don't think you will see them or maybe even any one else break ground on anything major.

I hope its not true, but this is a test project and many are waiting to see the outcome.

new age
May 12, 2011, 9:29 AM
Besides, why the hell would they publicly announce that they were on a property hunt for future developments if this development was going badly in their view?


What better way to spark interest in the building you are already building, and its all for FREE!

Simpseatles
May 20, 2011, 10:23 PM
I wonder if the green roof, with trees and all, will come to fruition?

http://urbanitydesign.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/renaissance.jpg?w=200
http://urbanitydesign.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/renaissance-tower-i-nearing-completion/renaissance/

GreatTallNorth2
May 21, 2011, 1:30 AM
I wonder if the green roof, with trees and all, will come to fruition?

http://urbanitydesign.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/renaissance.jpg?w=200
http://urbanitydesign.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/renaissance-tower-i-nearing-completion/renaissance/

How about they build a 35 story tower in the middle with a different design?

FazDeH
May 25, 2011, 7:35 PM
How about they build a 35 story tower in the middle with a different design?

Considering the London Market and the availability of space for construction, not to mention a proximity most London renters and owners would find uncomfortable I think the developers statement about finding another site for a new build will probably be much more likely. But I'm totally with you on the 35 stories.

Kokkei Mizu
May 25, 2011, 8:51 PM
I wonder if the green roof, with trees and all, will come to fruition?

http://urbanitydesign.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/renaissance.jpg?w=200
http://urbanitydesign.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/renaissance-tower-i-nearing-completion/renaissance/

When I went by yesterday, I noticed the half of the middle part already completed has trees on it, as well as a few pavilions. So the green roof already exists. I don't know if it will ever look quite this nice though.

Simpseatles
May 25, 2011, 11:47 PM
When I went by yesterday, I noticed the half of the middle part already completed has trees on it, as well as a few pavilions. So the green roof already exists. I don't know if it will ever look quite this nice though.

Cool! This will make it London's first green roof sorta thing, right?

Simpseatles
May 26, 2011, 10:31 PM
A couple updates from today, by me:

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n596/Simpseatles/P5260493.jpg?t=1306447624

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n596/Simpseatles/P5260494.jpg?t=1306447624

http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n596/Simpseatles/

realcity
Aug 14, 2011, 3:17 AM
Great development. I thought it would have more glass, but this is a skyline changer for sure. btw London already has more glass than Hamilton.

http://www.londontopic.ca/artimages/md/EOAproposeddevelopment.jpg
anyway to get a bit higher rez of this. I can work from this but higher rez would help.

go_leafs_go02
Aug 14, 2011, 4:25 AM
Great development. I thought it would have more glass, but this is a skyline changer for sure. btw London already has more glass than Hamilton.

http://www.londontopic.ca/artimages/md/EOAproposeddevelopment.jpg
anyway to get a bit higher rez of this. I can work from this but higher rez would help.

When's the last time Hamilton had a new high rise building constructed in its core? It's been a looong time I think, 25 - 30 years?

sparky212
Aug 14, 2011, 3:38 PM
Great development. I thought it would have more glass, but this is a skyline changer for sure. btw London already has more glass than Hamilton.

http://www.londontopic.ca/artimages/md/EOAproposeddevelopment.jpg
anyway to get a bit higher rez of this. I can work from this but higher rez would help.

that is the only one i have seen on the net sorry. Does london really have more glass then hamilton? I never really looked hmmmm.

Simpseatles
Aug 14, 2011, 11:18 PM
Hope this helps

http://www.londontopic.ca/artimages/lg/EOAproposeddevelopment.jpg
http://www.londontopic.ca/article.php?artid=8488

Anyways, back on topic!
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n596/Simpseatles/P8131072.jpg

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n596/Simpseatles/P8131073.jpg

From yesterday, by me. http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n596/Simpseatles/

MolsonExport
Aug 15, 2011, 1:33 AM
Looks like tower 2 will end up being shorter.

Snark
Aug 16, 2011, 1:19 AM
Looks like tower 2 will end up being shorter.

Well, the 28th floor is sold, so I don't think it any shorter. The tower is smaller though. There are other differences as well.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6051/6235843645_3d69b1007e_b.jpg

MrSlippery519
Aug 16, 2011, 3:22 PM
Interesting I always thought these were exact copies...I actually like the idea that they will not be exactly the same.

MolsonExport why do you think tower 2 will be shorter? If anything they should make it 30 floors since it's going to be much narrower looking at the render Snark posted.

MolsonExport
Aug 17, 2011, 9:04 PM
Just from the rendering (viewed from the south):
http://www.londontopic.ca/artimages/lg/EOAproposeddevelopment.jpg

But evidently, this is not the Renaissance. So my brain farted.

MolsonExport
Aug 18, 2011, 12:39 PM
Every residential development salesboard has the couple with the pearly-white smiles. Almost always, the female is hanging off (strangling?) the male. Often, there is bare feet. Almost as bad as those targeting the senior citizen.

Kokkei Mizu
Aug 23, 2011, 6:57 AM
Posting a small update here as I went by today. I will be doing one of my big construction updates in early- to mid-September.

http://www.commutebyrail.org/stuff/london/ren20-sm.jpg (http://www.commutebyrail.org/stuff/london/ren20.jpg) http://www.commutebyrail.org/stuff/london/ren21-sm.jpg (http://www.commutebyrail.org/stuff/london/ren21.jpg) http://www.commutebyrail.org/stuff/london/ren22-sm.jpg (http://www.commutebyrail.org/stuff/london/ren22.jpg)

haljackey
Feb 15, 2012, 3:28 AM
This building is now becoming more and more visible the more it rises.

I clearly saw it from Comissioners and Warncliffe today. It seems to add a lot more bulk to the skyline from that vantage point.

I'll get a photo... sometime.

bolognium
Feb 15, 2012, 2:26 PM
They just raised the crane as well. I'm now able to see it from my hallway window.

http://i.imgur.com/KFLwp.jpg

K85
Feb 15, 2012, 6:45 PM
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/7218/img2576ll.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/837/img2576ll.jpg/)

MolsonExport
Feb 16, 2012, 2:09 AM
wow that thing is moving up fast. just a few more infill towers and we'll have a proud skyline.

Simpseatles
Feb 16, 2012, 2:48 AM
It's nice to see the second Renaissance tower rising so quickly, but man does it look ugly from the east/west! :yuck: It may look alright on the north/south faces, but the slimmer sides are nothing but a plain grid of windows with a drab grey background, compared to the first tower which at least had 2 strips of glass on either end. I actually grew to enjoy the first Renaissance tower, but now I'm just finding it hard to stomach more than one.

bolognium
Feb 16, 2012, 6:05 AM
The east/west sides do look pretty plain, but I think once the setbacks are built at the top the bland walls won't look nearly as bad. I think the eye will immediately travel to the setbacks and slanted roof, as apposed to noticing the repetitive windows.

I still feel like the Renaissance 2 tower will end up looking better than Ren 1. The podium on the other hand...

K85
Feb 24, 2012, 7:08 PM
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/7784/img2835a.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/692/img2835a.jpg/)

bolognium
Mar 5, 2012, 1:42 AM
Couple from today, only about 10 more floors until it's topped out.

http://i.imgur.com/9a1OI.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/tfjxo.jpg

go_leafs_go02
Mar 6, 2012, 2:42 AM
The second one isn't supposed to be as tall as the first phase right?

haljackey
Mar 6, 2012, 4:52 AM
The second one isn't supposed to be as tall as the first phase right?

Nope, same height. Yet another pair of twins for the city.

Nice photo bolognium! Never seen it from that vantage point!

GreatTallNorth2
Mar 7, 2012, 3:31 PM
So ugly. London is stuck in the 70s in so many ways.

Symz
Mar 7, 2012, 10:06 PM
So ugly. London is stuck in the 70s in so many ways.

They might not be groundbreakingly beautiful, but they are adding density to downtown London and that has to count for something. :tup:

GreatTallNorth2
Mar 7, 2012, 10:51 PM
They might not be groundbreakingly beautiful, but they are adding density to downtown London and that has to count for something. :tup:

Density will come in time, but these ugly towers make a statement that London is content with 70's crap. We have so many blocks of twin tower concrete crap. Why is this still happening in 2012 when cities our size and smaller are building so much better? I am now less interested in height than I am in design.

haljackey
Mar 8, 2012, 1:18 AM
I actually think the Renaissance towers look good... compared to other concrete slabs that is. :P

MrSlippery519
Mar 8, 2012, 1:28 AM
Density will come in time, but these ugly towers make a statement that London is content with 70's crap. We have so many blocks of twin tower concrete crap. Why is this still happening in 2012 when cities our size and smaller are building so much better? I am now less interested in height than I am in design.

I do not think they are that bad...for a concrete tower they look quite good actually.

Also not that I disagree as I would love to see a nice 30+ story glass residential in downtown london what city this size is doing better, certainly not Kitchener?

GreatTallNorth2
Mar 8, 2012, 9:09 AM
So what you are saying is that Kitchener is getting just as ugly buildings? I think not.

http://www.auburndev.com/files/220312772314462010-0511-3.jpg

MrSlippery519
Mar 8, 2012, 1:21 PM
So what you are saying is that Kitchener is getting just as ugly buildings? I think not.


Have any better pictures,? From a rendering like that I would suggest the Crown on King London looks just as good.

Fact is the Renaissance buildings are a step in the right direction for the downtown core...they certainly could have been nicer but for a 28 story concrete building they look great.

Nicer glass condo's will come once the Renaissance buildings are finished.

ForestryW
Mar 8, 2012, 1:25 PM
Have any better pictures,? From a rendering like that I would suggest the Crown on King London looks just as good.
...

Nicer glass condo's will come once the Renaissance buildings are finished.

From what I've seen, proposals in London have become more attractive since the city introduced the urban design review panel. I think we'll see a big difference in the future.

Too bad we'll just have to live with the Renaissance. It's just butt ugly.

The Crown is much nicer, though.

ForestryW
Mar 8, 2012, 1:26 PM
So what you are saying is that Kitchener is getting just as ugly buildings? I think not.

http://www.auburndev.com/files/220312772314462010-0511-3.jpg

The Barrel Yards had so much potential but instead we got this. Let this be a lesson to never let a single developer take over such a huge parcel of land.

MolsonExport
Mar 8, 2012, 1:52 PM
http://i.imgur.com/9a1OI.jpg

The Renaissance may not be pretty, but as the above photo clearly demonstrates, she (they) are the prettiest girls in a bar full of dogs.

MrSlippery519
Mar 8, 2012, 2:44 PM
The Renaissance may not be pretty, but as the above photo clearly demonstrates, she (they) are the prettiest girls in a bar full of dogs.

You bet and that was my point, it's a step in the right direction for downtown London. Seeing how successful selling wise these have been I would imagine we are going to see bigger and better residential towers downtown sooner than later. Even Tricar themselves said they are already looking for more land downtown.

Maybe farhi will one day build his 30 story nice glass vision lmao

north 42
Mar 8, 2012, 7:51 PM
You bet and that was my point, it's a step in the right direction for downtown London. Seeing how successful selling wise these have been I would imagine we are going to see bigger and better residential towers downtown sooner than later. Even Tricar themselves said they are already looking for more land downtown.

Maybe farhi will one day build his 30 story nice glass vision lmao

Yeah, our hopes that Farhi would build a nice glass condo on the prime downtown riverfront land that he owns here in Windsor are fading fast. Has he built anything nice yet in London?

Symz
Mar 9, 2012, 12:06 AM
Density will come in time, but these ugly towers make a statement that London is content with 70's crap. We have so many blocks of twin tower concrete crap. Why is this still happening in 2012 when cities our size and smaller are building so much better? I am now less interested in height than I am in design.

Who said I was talking bout height density? I was actually talking about people density in the downtown.

bolognium
Mar 17, 2012, 8:44 PM
http://i.imgur.com/VEdU0.jpg

Symz
Mar 18, 2012, 12:40 AM
Great shot! The setting sun is nice in this photo!

MolsonExport
Mar 19, 2012, 12:41 PM
http://i.imgur.com/VEdU0.jpg

wicked vantage point.

bolognium
Mar 26, 2012, 4:42 AM
No real changes since the last picture, but here's Ren 2 from The Forks:

http://i.imgur.com/oyOU3.jpg

Whisper09
Mar 30, 2012, 6:41 AM
Taken just a couple of days ago.


http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz124/Whisper91/gaseg001.jpg?t=1333089747

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz124/Whisper91/gaseg003.jpg?t=1333089801

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz124/Whisper91/gaseg002.jpg?t=1333089743

MolsonExport
Mar 30, 2012, 5:45 PM
I had lunch with the family last sunday at Covent Garden market. Sitting on the second level and looking out the window to the southwest, with the Ren towers rising above the restaurants on King, it was almost a big city vista.

Symz
Mar 30, 2012, 9:02 PM
Dear London, you've always been like a big brother to Windsor and we are proud of your growth. Even though some of you have grown complacent and feel it's not fast enough, you are growing, changing and building and seeing some resurgance in your downtown core.

Be proud London, don't count yourself short. :tup:

RoseCityFreePress
Mar 31, 2012, 5:32 AM
I was just wondering since im not from London, Whats with all the tower twinning in you city? Not that its a bad thing, but i was in town for a meeting and i thought i had eye problems seeing 2 sets of towers in each direction. its interesting.

Wharn
Mar 31, 2012, 3:18 PM
I was just wondering since im not from London, Whats with all the tower twinning in you city? Not that its a bad thing, but i was in town for a meeting and i thought i had eye problems seeing 2 sets of towers in each direction. its interesting.

After 9/11, we felt the world needed more twin towers to make up for the destruction of those two. Since we already had the TD twin towers and the Talbot twin towers, we thought "well why not make a few more to match 'em?"

I had lunch with the family last sunday at Covent Garden market. Sitting on the second level and looking out the window to the southwest, with the Ren towers rising above the restaurants on King, it was almost a big city vista.

Covent Garden Market, surprisingly, has been very well-done. The name is a little ripoff-ish but the building itself is open and airy, and has a good variety of stores.

Another great London vista can actually be found on Richmond Street between Fanshawe Park and Sunningdale Roads. It's really neat because you can see tower blocks, church spires, office buildings and a few UWO landmarks poking out of the trees. If you have enough of an imagination, you could almost mistake it for a small English city.

haljackey
Mar 31, 2012, 5:09 PM
Twins are simply cheap to construct. Just reuse or mirror the design you already have and boom you don't have to go through the effort to design a new building. Most twins in London are exactly this, with the exception of City Centre and Two London Place (if it gets built) which are shorter.


The view from the market will look even better if Covet Place is built. See some pics of it in the downtown vision: http://www.london.ca/Planning_and_Development/PDFs/City_of_Opportunity_A_Vision_For_Downtown_London_Sept_28_2011.pdf

MolsonExport
Mar 31, 2012, 5:56 PM
^lovely renders. "London is the city of opportunity!"

Snark
Mar 31, 2012, 6:42 PM
Covent Garden Market... The name is a little ripoff-ish...

The name has been used for over 150 years. If that's a bit ripoff-ish, then so is the Thames River, Lambeth, Windsor, Cambridge, York, New York, Yorktown, Adelaide, Middlesex, etc. It's what British settlers did when immigrating to the new world.

...If you have enough of an imagination, you could almost mistake it for a small English city.

If London Ont were in England right now, it would be the 10th largest metro area. Not exactly a small English city.

GreatTallNorth2
Mar 31, 2012, 7:11 PM
If London Ont were in England right now, it would be the 10th largest metro area. Not exactly a small English city.

Well, every country has different rules for "metro area". I looked at the list of city populations for English cities. It listed Bristol as 558,000. If Bristol was judged by Canadian "metro areas", I can assure you it would be well over 1 million people.

So, I am not sure London, Ontario would be included in a list of top 10 cities in England. Probably not even in top 20.

K85
Mar 31, 2012, 9:58 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_districts_by_population

GreatTallNorth2
Mar 31, 2012, 10:20 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_districts_by_population

So you didn't understand what I was saying. A metro in Canada is different than a metro in the UK (or any other country for that matter).

You can't just say that London, Ontario is the same size metro as Bristol, UK or that London, Ontario would be England's 10th largest city because the Canadian standard for a metro is different than the UK. I live in Bath and work in Bristol and I can assure you that Bristol metro is much larger than London, Ontario. It is over 1 million people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol (look at the population table).

Snark
Apr 1, 2012, 4:06 AM
Sorry boys. Just quoting the Wikipedia for England metro pops. Perhaps the yardsticks are different. I was wrong under such pretenses.

Symz
Apr 1, 2012, 4:40 AM
Windsor was close to being named South Detroit, The Ferry, or Richmond, but Windsor was chosen to promote the heritage of English settlers in the city and to promote Windsor castle in Berkshire, England.

Names all across north America are taken from other existing places.

I liked the market in London when I visited! I thought it was nicely done, it had variety, was quaint and had a presence being right in the core.

ssiguy
Apr 1, 2012, 4:40 AM
Maybe it's just me but the material used in the Ren towers looks much nicer than the concrete that overwhelms the city. They looked like the have a beige undertone or something. I'm not sure what it is but they don't look as ghastly as the other commie blocks London has in it's downtown.

Symz
Apr 1, 2012, 4:59 AM
Maybe it's just me but the material used in the Ren towers looks much nicer than the concrete that overwhelms the city. They looked like the have a beige undertone or something. I'm not sure what it is but they don't look as ghastly as the other commie blocks London has in it's downtown.

I still think London could use a little more colour.

MrSlippery519
Apr 17, 2012, 12:37 PM
I still think London could use a little more colour.

I would tend to agree with that more color is needed.

I drove by yesterday and they are just starting the set-back, I would imagine this is going to be topped out sometime in the next month

haljackey
Apr 20, 2012, 8:24 PM
Tower 1 and 2 from Warncliffe and Commissioners:

http://i.imgur.com/7wR1a.jpg

FazDeH
Apr 20, 2012, 9:29 PM
^^Nice shot, I love the vantage from that intersection

Symz
Apr 24, 2012, 12:24 PM
Nice pic!!

It'd be nice if London developers could stray away from that taupe-y beige colour for a little while.

Edit: 'They say taupe is very soothing.'

That_Chris
May 17, 2012, 6:56 PM
https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/u/0/?ui=2&ik=43657eb79e&view=att&th=1375c2e8d851b140&attid=0.1&disp=inline&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P-lvS2ISt5ajRCr0ZOHZW8R&sadet=1337281473309&sads=1j-_64nQLyQacVGnvmJygxeHvIk

Look'n swanky. This is really gonna look good once it's done.

londoner_abroad
May 18, 2012, 12:49 PM
https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/u/0/?ui=2&ik=43657eb79e&view=att&th=1375c2e8d851b140&attid=0.1&disp=inline&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P-lvS2ISt5ajRCr0ZOHZW8R&sadet=1337281473309&sads=1j-_64nQLyQacVGnvmJygxeHvIk

Look'n swanky. This is really gonna look good once it's done.

Can't see the pictures you last posted.. for this and what I am guessing is renovations starting on the Dundas Street/Market Lane Fanshawe Building?

bolognium
May 21, 2012, 2:19 AM
Here's a few pictures of Ren 2 taken around downtown:

http://i.imgur.com/zovXW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rlPsW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6sgad.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/lEHxh.jpg

MolsonExport
May 21, 2012, 12:24 PM
^excellent angles.

haljackey
Jun 5, 2012, 4:30 AM
Side view at night

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8167/7306336076_84a0ffec8d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28406866@N07/7306336076/)
IMG_5905 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28406866@N07/7306336076/) by jamez999 (http://www.flickr.com/people/28406866@N07/), on Flickr

bolognium
Jun 17, 2012, 9:52 PM
So, you guys think this'll be topped out by next weekend?

http://i.imgur.com/veCcc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RCzm8.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dxAvT.jpg

Symz
Jun 18, 2012, 2:02 AM
:previous:

Looking good!

Snark
Jun 18, 2012, 3:37 AM
:previous:

What's weird is that I was driving down Horton at almost the same time (7 - 8pm?) and snapped a few pics as driving by. Was going to post, but you have beat me to it.

I'm really surprised that no one has noticed/commented on how the second tower is in fact a totally different structure than the first tower. I have been waiting for some time to see if anyone would comment on this point, but alas no. Yes, both towers are thematically similar from an external appearance point of view, but one would find very few actual identical dimensions - and this is not like hand grenades (close doesn't count). As well, the internal layouts are completely different, the penthouses radically different including higher ceilings, the main residential component is shorter, the construction method very different, and unless something different is done with the mech room (one can never be sure as plans can be changed at the last minute sometimes), the building as a whole will be slightly shorter by as much as a story, making it not the tied-for-3rd, but the 5th tallest building in the city.

This is notable because Tricar was willing to forgo the economy of scale that twin towers offer in favor of going for a custom second building. This a vote of confidence in the market.

BTW: The 3,400 sq.ft. top floor penthouse must be pretty awesome when complete.

Edit: Forgot to reply to your question: It will be more than a week. It takes time to install the mech equipment. HVAC, elevators, etc. Still, I'd say late July at the most. Nonetheless, this was a very rapid build due to the prefab exterior panel construction method.

bolognium
Jun 18, 2012, 4:16 AM
Yeah, I got out a couple times today between the rain, I think those pictures were taken around 5pm.

I guess I was being a little optimistic with my one week prediction, but either way it certainly has been a rapid progression. I see transports sitting on Ridout every morning with the prefab walls ready to be delivered.

I remember a few months ago you posted three line drawings showing the visible differences between the towers. It's interesting that despite retaining a very similar shape to Ren 1, so little of the building is actually the same. Do you know why Tricar would choose to design a completely different structure, but still keep basically the same silhouette? If they were going to such lengths, how much extra effort would it have been to create a noticeably different tower instead of another twin?

Also, what's your opinion on Tricar's new property on Ridout in Old South? The Tricar sign with "The Height of Living" is awfully tantalizing. As far as I know, I've never heard them use that slogan before. Is there any chance that's a clue that this may be a larger than average project for the area, or is that just wishful thinking? Would Tricar be able to get away with a downtown-sized development there because The Gartshore towers next door are already fairly substantial?

Snark
Jun 19, 2012, 2:30 AM
It's interesting that despite retaining a very similar shape to Ren 1, so little of the building is actually the same. Do you know why Tricar would choose to design a completely different structure, but still keep basically the same silhouette?

Tricar went with a different structure to accommodate fewer units of generally greater size - betting that the market contains buyers with sufficient funds to pay the extra $$$ for the larger luxury units. Developers (or rather their consultants) do market studies to determine the right balance of number of units/size of units/cost of unit to come up with what they think is the optimum business model for the market sector that they are looking to attract.

Why keep the same general silhouette? Mainly for visual symmetry in the development as viewed from the east and west. The idea is for two towers back to back facing outwards to the north and south. If the second tower were to be radically different, it would throw that visual balance out the window.

Also, what's your opinion on Tricar's new property on Ridout in Old South?...Is there any chance that's a clue that this may be a larger than average project for the area, or is that just wishful thinking? Would Tricar be able to get away with a downtown-sized development there because The Gartshore towers next door are already fairly substantial?

There are height restrictions in the zoning once one gets out of the downtown, and Old South is a sensitive and influential neighborhood. Seeing that the existing apartments are 16 stories but well set back from the street on a very large lot, and the Tricar lot next door is smaller and closer to the street, I'd be surprised if it was much taller than the Gartshore's 16 stories. I'd guess 15 -19 stories if anything. Remember the current development ongoing in Wortley Village is just a few blocks from this location, and the developer was nearly lynched for proposing 4 stories without a setback in his development.

BIGGUY2891
Jun 19, 2012, 2:31 AM
I remember a few months ago you posted three line drawings showing the visible differences between the towers. It's interesting that despite retaining a very similar shape to Ren 1, so little of the building is actually the same. Do you know why Tricar would choose to design a completely different structure, but still keep basically the same silhouette? If they were going to such lengths, how much extra effort would it have been to create a noticeably different tower instead of another twin?

When Tricar announced the second tower, they explained it would be redesigned because they were switching to condos instead of rental units as previously planned. There are less units because they made each unit larger than if it was a rental. It would have probably been rather difficult to clone the building on the outside while the inside is quite different. Window/door/balcony placement would be difficult to line up with the first tower.

Edit: Snark beat me by 1 minute to that explanation.

BIGGUY2891
Jun 19, 2012, 3:04 AM
I go by that Tricar property on Ridout quite frequently. I'm patiently waiting for some other information to emerge. The Old South Community Organization has known that a high rise was likely for that property for some time now.

http://www.oscolondon.ca/whats-new/119.htm

OSCO doesn't appear to be against a high rise in that location. While NIMBYism doesn't appear to have any boundaries as to what people will protest, this region has a good quantity of multiple dwelling units. The resistance will hopefully be less than it was in Wortley Village.

GreatTallNorth2
Jun 19, 2012, 5:15 AM
I tried finding the original renders for Renaissance Place, but could not find them anywhere. Originally, they were not supposed to be parallel to each other, but rather perpendicular which would have made a more interesting look in the skyline.