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CentralGrad258
05-22-2009, 03:10 PM
Most Philadelphians are generally very negative about the state of the city, so it's always interesting to see an outside perspective sing our praises.


Waves of immigrants now calling Philadelphia home; new Welcoming Center idea behind the lure
Wednesday, May 20, 2009
Robert L. Smith
Plain Dealer Reporter
Vacant homes. Empty storefronts. Ghostly streets.

In a scenario hauntingly familiar to Cleveland, sprawl and abandonment diminished a great American city.

By 2000, many had given up on Philadelphia, which had seen its middle class flee and crime surge as row-house neighborhoods hollowed out.

Then, a tide of newcomers arrived - seemingly out of nowhere - and wrote a new script.

The City of Brotherly Love has not escaped the job losses and anxieties of the great recession, but it's showing a new spring in its civic step.

Power saws whir and bright shop windows beckon in once-forgotten neighborhoods. Biotech startups are energizing the suburbs. New apartments and restaurants set downtown aglow at night.

Come the census of 2010, Philadelphia might post its first population gain in 60 years. My what a difference an immigrant wave can make.

Not long ago, demographers packaged Philadelphia with Cleveland as a "former gateway" on a downhill slide. Then, in November, they spied a surprising trend. Immigrants were coming, bringing a culture of entrepreneurship and high-tech skills. The Brookings Institution declared that Philadelphia was poised to re-emerge as a destination city.

What happened? Some Cleveland civic leaders would like to find out so they can replicate the pattern here. To start the discussion, they are bringing to town the woman deemed largely responsible for Philadelphia's transformation into an immigrant-friendly city.

Anne O'Callaghan, an Irish immigrant, is the founder and executive director of the Welcoming Center for New Pennsylvanians. Her nonprofit agency put out a welcome mat in 2003 and today works to assimilate new cultures into an aging blue-collar town.

O'Callaghan is to address the City Club of Cleveland on Thursday, then join a discussion on the prospects of adding new cultures to Cleveland.

Immigration is a politically sensitive topic long avoided in Northeast Ohio. But Barbara Hawkins thinks the time has come to address it.

Hawkins, a director of the Cleveland Council on World Affairs, helped to organize O'Callaghan's visit. She is part of a small group urging politicians and civic leaders to consider immigrant attraction strategies.

"I think that's the future of Cleveland," Hawkins said. "If we don't get some good, talented, capable people here, we're in trouble. I think the situation has gotten grim enough that the business community is starting to say, 'We have to do something.' "

Slowly, new voices are joining the discussion. Cuyahoga County Commissioner Peter Lawson Jones agreed to moderate Thursday's forum. The Greater Cleveland Partnership, the region's chamber of commerce, joined the Cavaliers as a co-sponsor.

"It's pretty clear the statistics show immigrants not only bring the talent, they bring investment dollars," said Partnership President and Chief Executive Joseph Roman. "We certainly have raised it way up on our agenda."

Mayor Frank Jackson said he worries about immigrants taking jobs but notes the region has thousands of high-skill jobs that go unfilled. If a welcome center can help lure needed talent and promote the city, he's all for it.

All agree, Cleveland has a people problem. The city lost half its population between 1950 and 2000 and became nearly entirely native-born. The slide continues. In 2006 and 2007, the city lost more people than any other big city in America. It could slip below 400,000 at the 2010 census.

Philadelphia once shared a similar trajectory. It shrank by 30 percent between 1950 and 2000. But in recent years, its population has stabilized. Immigrants began replacing people leaving. Today, they make up 11 percent of the city.

Behind the numbers are people like Calvin Pham, who opened an air freight service in a city shopping center astir with immigrant entrepreneurs.

Virtually every shop in New World Plaza, in South Philadelphia, is owned by a couple from Vietnam or China. Pham came from California three years ago, lured by word that Philadelphia was friendly to immigrants.

From Thanh Binh Cargo, he ships laptops and baby formula and big-screen TVs to Ho Chi Minh City. A pair of squawking chickens in a cardboard box attests to the fact that Vietnamese like their American relatives to send poultry, too.

"Vietnamese people are doing good here," Pham said. "People keep coming in. They want to send things home."

There was plenty of other anecdotal evidence of an immigrant tide when the Philadelphia Foundation hired the Brookings Institution to put numbers to the faces.

The conclusions caused a sensation in a city with a demographic profile similar to Cleveland's. Between 2000 and 2006, about 113,000 immigrants streamed into Greater Philadelphia, swelling the foreign-born community to half a million people, Brookings reported. They came from all over the world, but the largest group - 39 percent - hailed from Asia.

A substantial number of the newcomers opened shops in poor neighborhoods. Many brought advanced skills into the region's medical and pharmaceutical industries, according to Brookings researchers, who predicted Philadelphia was returning to its immigrant past.

Not everyone was happy to hear it. At Geno's Steaks, a famous purveyor of Philadelphia's signature dish - the cheesesteak - customers are confronted with signs that say, "This is America. Please speak English when ordering."

Restaurant owner Joe Vento, a 60-something grandson of Italian immigrants, has said he's fed up with newcomers in the formerly Italian neighborhood not knowing English.

On and around the busy commercial corridor of 52nd Street, black residents charged that new immigrant shopkeepers were getting ahead with government help - a false but widely believed assumption.

"In a city with a large African-American community, immigration is a hot-button issue," O'Callaghan acknowledges.

She recently opened Welcoming Center West in a 52nd Street storefront to bring together black and immigrant merchants. Their combined power is being credited with reviving the Harlem-like neighborhood.

On a recent afternoon, sidewalk tables piled with merchandise stretched for five lively blocks up 52nd Street. People strolled past vendors who greeted them in lilting West African accents in front of Chinese restaurants and Pakistani-owned variety stores.

"We've come a long way," O'Callaghan observed.

She said that when she first took her idea to City Hall, she found no interest in a center that would welcome and guide immigrants. So she launched the Welcoming Center for New Pennsylvanians in donated space with state and foundation support.

It began publishing simple but powerful brochures, like "How to Open a Coffee Shop in Philadelphia," building a database of English as a Second Language classes and matching immigrant skills with employers.

O'Callaghan preached "shared prosperity."

If immigrants came and did well, she argued, the whole city would flourish.

Today, Philadelphia City Hall is part of her crusade. Current Mayor Michael Nutter ordered city departments to become multilingual, hired immigrant liaisons and hosted a naturalization ceremony - the first ever in City Hall.

Earlier this year, the mayor announced a plan that would have once sounded dreamlike but now seems plausible. He said he wants to add another 75,000 people to the city in a few short years.

"You need to be able to see how your community can be transformed," O'Callaghan said. "And we have a lot of places in the city where you can walk down the street and see that."

Plain Dealer computer-assisted reporting editor Rich Exner contributed to this story.


Source: http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1242808455252120.xml&coll=2

Abner
05-22-2009, 03:32 PM
I don't know why more cities haven't been trying to lure immigrants. They're the next best thing to educated young people. Consider what would have happened to New York if it had stopped being an immigration mecca.

Crawford
05-22-2009, 05:27 PM
The article is simply false. Philly is not a major immigrant gateway, and is not showing population growth.

In fact, no American city or metro anywhere near Philly's size has so few immigrants.

Very odd article.

JackStraw
05-22-2009, 05:58 PM
^Yeah, I thought that they were really exaggerating Philly as a success story. Don't get me wrong. I love Philly, and it is one of my favorite American cities. I know Center city has turned around greatly, but they sound like all of it's neighborhoods are becoming alive with boutiques and all that other happy crappy stuff urban yuppies love. This is far from the case, and it has a lot of work to do.

However, there are a lot of neighborhoods that have a Puerto Rican, Vietneese, and other immigrants. But they are not opening up trendy boutiques.

Capsule F
05-22-2009, 06:18 PM
The article is simply false. Philly is not a major immigrant gateway, and is not showing population growth.

In fact, no American city or metro anywhere near Philly's size has so few immigrants.

Very odd article.

Philadelphia once shared a similar trajectory. It shrank by 30 percent between 1950 and 2000. But in recent years, its population has stabilized. Immigrants began replacing people leaving. Today, they make up 11 percent of the city. Where does it say here that Philly is showing population growth?

"In fact, no American city or metro anywhere near Philly's size has so few immigrants."

You are getting your information from late 90s early 2000s figures. While you are right that Philly has little immigrants for a city its size, you ought to look at the new numbers when they are released. They are now coming at an impressive rate.

CentralGrad258
05-22-2009, 06:33 PM
Here's the Brookings report that the article references: http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/rc/reports/2008/1113_immigration_singer/1113_immigration_singer.pdf

It's quite lengthy, but full of interesting data and analysis. While it does show that Philadelphia is way below many other metropolitan area of similar size, the immigrant population has been growing in absolute numbers and in terms of percentage of the overall population. And compared to other cities that have been declining in populations, we're doing gangbusters in attracting immigrants, so it's all relative. Also, I am not at all convinved that this city is still losing population. The census mid-decade estimates are notoriously unreliable when it comes to counting urban populations, I'll wait for the actual census.

From a personal experience, I went to high school here in the late 90s and there seemed to plenty of immigrants from all over. Not a scientific sample ofcourse, but it's not like there has been a lack of immigrant communities, maybe they're just not quite as large as the like of LA and New York. In recent years, South Philly has become much more noticeably immigrant heavy. Large parts of West Philly as well. I hope the trend continues and the perception that Philly is immigrant friendly certainly doesn't hurt. Despite the efforts of a dying breed of idiots like Vento.

miketoronto
05-23-2009, 02:17 AM
That is great news if immigrants are reviving inner city neighbourhoods.

However at the same time, the city must address the issues that caused the middle class to flee, and work at attracting not just immigrants, but everyone, and keeping the current population happy and wanting to live in the city.

philadelphiathrives
05-23-2009, 05:33 AM
The article is simply false. Philly is not a major immigrant gateway, and is not showing population growth.

In fact, no American city or metro anywhere near Philly's size has so few immigrants.

Very odd article.

You have no idea what you are talking about. You know nothing about Philadelphia, so you should keep your ignorant nonsense to yourself! Maybe, because you're from Brooklyn, you're afraid Philly will steal many of New York's immigrants (and potential immigrants) now that (over-priced) NYC's economy is on the verge of collapse because of Wall Street stupidity.

I live in Philadelphia and I know that the census department hasn't begun to accurately count the number of immigrants here. I walk around the city all the time: North, South, and West Philadelphia and Center City, and immigrants and foreign languages are such a common part of living here. You see immigrants of every nationality, every ethnicity, every style of dress, every language, EVERYWHERE! It's not just Mexican immigrants coming here because of proximity to the border like most Southwestern cities. The city government has not sued the census department like other cities have. If they had, I'm sure the census department would revise their figures and show more immigrants here, many of whom have been here a long time.

The article is wrong to think that immigrants started coming here when the welcoming center opened. They have been coming here all along, and many were not being counted by the census. And, I don't think at all that the city's population is going down. I work in real estate, and I know that it's hard to find a neighborhood where demand for housing isn't strong. Housing shortages are common in Philadelphia neighborhoods. The Housing Authority has a waiting list of tens of thousands of families and property values have been going up for 15 years, except for a much-less-than-the-national-average dip lately. In fact, Philadelphia's real estate market is stronger than most cities and stronger than all the surrounding suburban counties. It's not just immigrants moving in, but thousands of native-born middle class and wealthy people, and not just into Center City anymore. I think the 2010 census will show an increase in population, including immigrants, and then I hope that will shut up ignorant know-nothings like crawford.

Evergrey
05-23-2009, 05:44 AM
guys... the article is referring to "waves of immigrants" in comparison to Cleveland... it's true that Philly has had a pretty small amount of recent immigration considering its great size and coastal location... but it would still seem to be a dramatically different story from a smaller Midwestern city with almost no immigration in recent years

btw, it's a little distressing that Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson publicly expressed worry about yet-to-materialize immigrants "taking jobs" away from Clevelanders...

volguus zildrohar
05-23-2009, 06:06 AM
Almost any increase in immigration in this city would be a surge because it hasn't been a big part of life in this city until recently.

I will though note that this city's immigrant population is indeed on the rise.
I've noticed recently in my own neighborhood, several blocks along Market and 63rd, which have been at best underoccupied for as long as I can remember have been buzzing with renovation and most of the carpenters I'm seeing - and some of the business owners - are speaking Spanish. The almost complete conversion of the Italian Market and parts of the surrounding neighborhood into the Mexican Market is kinda stunning if you haven't been along there in a while. Southeast Asian immigrants have been occupying swaths of South Philadelphia for a couple of decades but now can be found in pockets of West Philadelphia and Fern Rock. Southwest Philadelphia remains the local destination for Caribbean immigrants and eastern Europeans surely have a foothold in Fairmount.

Indeed, trendy ethnic boutiques are not popping up all across the city. What is happening are abandoned storefronts and dilapidated housing being restored, becoming tax paying businesses and contributing simple things that neighborhoods require like grocery stores and dry cleaners. For a city that's just starting to emerge from it's long slide, it's a good start.

dimondpark
05-23-2009, 06:55 AM
The article is simply false. Philly is not a major immigrant gateway, and is not showing population growth.

In fact, no American city or metro anywhere near Philly's size has so few immigrants.



Aside from Detroit, your 100% correct.

Foreign Born Population, 2007
New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA 5,766,996
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA 5,585,752
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA 2,150,710
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 2,005,119
Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI 1,688,002
Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-VA-MD-WV 1,312,677
Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX 1,218,480
Dallas-Ft Worth, TX 1,114,113
Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-NH 1,031,258
Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ 736,068
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL 707,091
San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 674,084
Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia, WA 562,596
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD 545,054
Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI 439,555
Las Vegas-Paradise-Pahrump, NV 411,307
Sacramento-Arden Arcade-Yuba City, CA-NV 397,053
Orlando-Deltona-Daytona Beach, FL 379,415
Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO 364,564
Tampa-St Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 335,183
Minneapolis-St Paul-St Cloud, MN-WI 299,321
Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA 261,816
Fresno-Madera, CA 228,693
Austin-Round Rock, TX 226,241
San Antonio, TX 220,973
Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC 180,711
Honolulu, HI 175,256
Charlotte-Gastonia-Salisbury, NC-SC 173,308
Stockton, CA 163,163
Salt Lake City-Ogden-Clearfield, UT 161,861
Hartford-West Hartford-Willimantic, CT 144,659
Cleveland-Akron-Elyria, OH 143,195
Tucson, AZ 130,510
Salinas, CA 125,233
Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS 117,389
Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha, WI 116,265
Columbus-Marion-Chillicothe, OH 113,226
St Louis, MO-IL 112,728
Greensboro-Winston Salem-High Point, NC 106,908
Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Columbia, TN 105,575

philadelphiathrives
05-23-2009, 07:34 AM
Aside from Detroit, your 100% correct.

Foreign Born Population, 2007
New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA 5,766,996
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA 5,585,752
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA 2,150,710
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 2,005,119
Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI 1,688,002
Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-VA-MD-WV 1,312,677
Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX 1,218,480
Dallas-Ft Worth, TX 1,114,113
Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-NH 1,031,258
Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ 736,068
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL 707,091
San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 674,084
Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia, WA 562,596
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD 545,054
Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI 439,555
Las Vegas-Paradise-Pahrump, NV 411,307
Sacramento-Arden Arcade-Yuba City, CA-NV 397,053
Orlando-Deltona-Daytona Beach, FL 379,415
Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO 364,564
Tampa-St Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 335,183
Minneapolis-St Paul-St Cloud, MN-WI 299,321
Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA 261,816
Fresno-Madera, CA 228,693
Austin-Round Rock, TX 226,241
San Antonio, TX 220,973
Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC 180,711
Honolulu, HI 175,256
Charlotte-Gastonia-Salisbury, NC-SC 173,308
Stockton, CA 163,163
Salt Lake City-Ogden-Clearfield, UT 161,861
Hartford-West Hartford-Willimantic, CT 144,659
Cleveland-Akron-Elyria, OH 143,195
Tucson, AZ 130,510
Salinas, CA 125,233
Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS 117,389
Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha, WI 116,265
Columbus-Marion-Chillicothe, OH 113,226
St Louis, MO-IL 112,728
Greensboro-Winston Salem-High Point, NC 106,908
Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Columbia, TN 105,575

That's only if those numbers are accurate; I'll wait for the much more thorough 2010 census before I believe those census numbers. As I said before, anyone living here, who is truly familiar with the city and its neighborhoods, would find those numbers very hard to believe.

dimondpark
05-23-2009, 08:39 AM
That's only if those numbers are accurate; I'll wait for the much more thorough 2010 census before I believe those census numbers. As I said before, anyone living here, who is truly familiar with the city and its neighborhoods, would find those numbers very hard to believe.

These are Census Estimates. Obviously not set in stone.

Where would you place Phildelphia in this ranking? How many foreign born residents do you suppose there are?

philadelphiathrives
05-23-2009, 09:57 AM
These are Census Estimates. Obviously not set in stone.

Where would you place Phildelphia in this ranking? How many foreign born residents do you suppose there are?

Obviously, I can't say for certain either. But, I know in 2001 the census department admitted that they were already undercounting the number of immigrants in some Philadelphia neighborhoods dramatically before the 2000 census, and the number must be higher now. There is a severe shortage of affordable housing in the city and the schools have been experiencing serious overcrowding because of immigrant children. And, I know from my experience, that immigrants of all nationalities are everywhere in this city. What I experience here sounds like what I've heard is the case in other cities that were higher on that list. So, I find it hard to believe that the number of immigrants is as low as that list claims. I think the city should have sued the census dept. long ago, because my experiences and the city's strong housing demand and market convince me that this city's population is not going down. You'd have to live here and explore the neighborhoods like I do to see for yourself. And no city could have a housing market as relatively strong as Philadelphia has and be losing population.

That's why the 2010 census is so important, and why outreach is so important. The level of outreach for the 2010 census will be much greater than the 2007 estimates. And with millions of illegal immigrants in the US, who knows how many are truly living here and not being counted?

MayDay
05-23-2009, 12:04 PM
guys... the article is referring to "waves of immigrants" in comparison to Cleveland... it's true that Philly has had a pretty small amount of recent immigration considering its great size and coastal location... but it would still seem to be a dramatically different story from a smaller Midwestern city with almost no immigration in recent years

btw, it's a little distressing that Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson publicly expressed worry about yet-to-materialize immigrants "taking jobs" away from Clevelanders...

Agreed on both counts - folks, the article was published in the Cleveland Plain Dealer in conjunction with a visit from one of the people who started Philly's Welcome Center. And yes, Frank Jackson's comments might reflect concern for his existing constituents but they also smack of xenophobia.

volguus zildrohar
05-23-2009, 06:13 PM
All the cities above Philadelphia on the list also have much more brisk economies, generally speaking. Native born residents have a hard enough time finding decent jobs to say nothing of people coming here from other countries. We already know the underlying issues behind that. Many of them also happen to be international gateways or are located near national borders - attributes I wouldn't say apply to Philadelphia. Despite all that, the numbers are what they are.

philadelphiathrives, I'd bet money on poor native born people being undercounted more than foreign born populations in the area. I'm not saying that it definitely is not a factor but even I don't believe the immigration influx has reached the point where it could truly sway the outcome of the census if they were undercounted - yet. The pattern of immigration influx is going to more or less follow the pattern of native born migration. No one can accuse me of being one of this forum's legendary Philly-bashers but common sense has to tell you that we're in the beginning of the process which is exactly where we want to be right now. This city has a lot improvements it has to make before we can be a legitimate destination for large numbers of immigrants. We're on the way but we're not at the point of puffing our chest out yet.

dfane
05-26-2009, 05:52 PM
who cares!!!
having a pissing match of who has more immigrants is like compairing a pinto to a maverick
I just know living near southwest philly that there are alot of Africans

Joey D
05-28-2009, 03:27 AM
The article is simply false. Philly is not a major immigrant gateway, and is not showing population growth.

In fact, no American city or metro anywhere near Philly's size has so few immigrants.

Very odd article.

The population has been gaining, quite simply. Abandoned houses are now filled again, and the Mexican population in Philly is skyrocketing.

The rest you're right with, but, to deny the recent surge of Mexicans in Philadelphia is just idiotic.

I'd say to wait for 2010's census, but censuses are rarely accurate when it comes to (illegal) immigrants.

wanderer34
05-28-2009, 12:59 PM
I just hope that the 2010 count is way mote accurate than the 2000 count. A lot of ethnic groups were severly undercounted, IMO (i.e. Dominicans, West Indians, etc.) while some seemed overly represented (i.e. Irish). Just an observation I've made.

How did Italians get displaced from being the number one ethnic group in the city and the region w/ the exception of African Americans, to number two behind the Irish and number three regionwide??? That's something census is going to have to explain. Personally, I don't believe that Census has done it's job and I still beleive that Italians are basically the largest ethnic group in the city and region, as far as I'm concerned.

I also feel the Asian populations has been one of the diverse in the America. How many city's can claim that. But I'd say that the biggest growh has been Latinos, and I'm not just talking about Mexicans, who I'd bet are just at a little over 1% of the population (not including undocumented), but I'm willing to bet that most of that growth has been atttributed to Dominicans. Last I heard, Dominicans made up about 42,000 in this city (about 3%) and it makes a lot of sense since there's a larger PR population in North Philly, where a lot of them are residing. Plus you have to take into account the number of Dominican owned businesses across the city (corner stores, hair salons, multi-service stores, etc.). Mexicans are mostly concentrated in South Philly, and that's only because of the close proximity of CC. Not too many of them citywide. The rest of them is out in the countryside (Kennett Sq, Vineland, etc.) I don't really think they'd blend in with the Caribbean Spanish in North Philly due to cultural conflict.

Here's the way I look at it according to each section of the city:

South Philly: Vietnamese, Chinese, Cambodians, Mexicans, Italians, Greeks, and a small contigent of Arabs (mostly from Lebanon)

North Philly: Latinos (mostly Puerto Rican and Dominican, with Colombians in Feltonville, Olney, and Hunting Park, and Kensington and a much smaller population of Mexicans), West Indians (Trinidadians, Jamaicans, Haitians, etc.) and Africans ( Ghana, Nigeria, etc.) in Olney, Logan, and West Oak Lane, and Asians (Koreans, Chinese, Vietnamese, Filipinos, Cambodians mostly in Olney)

NW Philly: (mostly the same West Indians and Africans as stated above, except in Roxbourough, where it's mostly Italians and Armenians)

West Philly (mostly the same above, but depending on location, Overbrook is mostly Jamaican, while near SW, it's mostly Liberian)

SW Philly: once again, mostly the same above, w/ Liberians having a very strong presence. Also a lot of Asians (Cambodians, Vietnamese, Chinese).

NE Philly: the upper NE still has mostly Russians, Armenians and Ukrainians, while the lower NE has seen mostly immigration from South America (Brazil, Peru, Colombia, etc.), Albania, Italy, Portugal, Greece.

PhillyRising
05-28-2009, 01:26 PM
The article is simply false. Philly is not a major immigrant gateway, and is not showing population growth.

In fact, no American city or metro anywhere near Philly's size has so few immigrants.

Very odd article.

...and you would know this because you spend so much time in Philadelphia?

Capsule F
05-28-2009, 09:14 PM
I wouldn't go to far with accusing someone that they dont know a city just because they haven't spent too much time there. Crawford tends to know what he is talking about, but this time he ain't totally right.



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