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BTinSF
06-18-2009, 07:00 PM
San Francisco has gotten some publicity (some positive, scathing on Fox) for putting in place mandatory composting:

S.F. to impose fines for tossing food scraps
Mandatory composting part of city's plan to eliminate landfill waste by 2020

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San Francisco's Board of Supervisors voted 9-2 to pass the nation's toughest recycling law for the city of San Francisco. Those who do not properly separate their garbage, including composting food scraps, will be fined $100.
updated 3:26 p.m. MT, Thurs., June 11, 2009

SAN FRANCISCO - Trash collectors in San Francisco will soon be doing more than just gathering garbage: They'll be keeping an eye out for people who toss food scraps out with their rubbish.

San Francisco this week passed a mandatory composting law that is believed to be the strictest such ordinance in the nation. Residents will be required to have three color-coded trash bins, including one for recycling, one for trash and a new one for compost — everything from banana peels to coffee grounds.

The law makes San Francisco the leader yet again in environmentally friendly measures, following up on other green initiatives such as banning plastic bags at supermarkets.

Food scraps sent to a landfill decompose fast and turn into methane gas, a potent greenhouse gas. Under the new system, collected scraps will be turned into compost that helps area farms and vineyards flourish. The city eventually wants to eliminate waste at landfills by 2020.

Chris Peck, the state's Integrated Waste Management Board spokesman, said he wasn't aware of an ordinance as tough as San Francisco's. Many cities, including Pittsburgh and San Diego, require residents to recycle yard waste but not food scraps. Seattle requires households to put scraps in the compost bin or have a composting system, but those who don't comply aren't fined.

"The city has been progressive, and they've been leaders and it appears that they're stepping out of the pack again," he said.

Fines to be enforced in 2010

San Francisco officials said they aren't looking to punish violators harshly.

Waste collectors will not pick through anyone's garbage, said Robert Reed, a spokesman for Sunset Scavenger Co., which handles the city's recyclables. If the wrong kind of materials are noticed while a bin is being emptied, workers will leave what Reed called "a love note," to let customers know they are not with the program.

"We're not going to lock you up in jail if you don't compost," said Nathan Ballard, a spokesman for Mayor Gavin Newsom who proposed the measure that passed Tuesday. "We're going to make it as easy as possible for San Franciscans to learn how to compost."

A moratorium on imposing fines will end in 2010, after which repeat offenders like individuals and small businesses generating less than a cubic yard of refuse a week face fines of up to $100.

Businesses that don't provide the proper containers face a $500 fine.

Proponents: Others will follow SF's lead

Sean Elsbernd, one of the two supervisors who opposed the proposition that passed 9-2, said the measure was "over-the-top" and that calls to his office Wednesday were critical of the new law.

"This is just going to aggravate and aggrieve homeowners who are doing their best," said Elsbernd.

But proponents say it is important to get people's attention about the importance of keeping those biodegradable materials out of landfills.

Ballard predicted that recycling food scraps eventually will seem as ho-hum as saving aluminum cans and newspapers.

"That used to seem like such a chore," he said. "Now we do it every day."

Newsom was expected to sign the measure if the board passes it in a final vote next week.
Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31265662

Are other cities doing this? If you live in one that does, do you play along? How to keep 3 trash receptacles (one for non-recyclables, one for recyclables, one for compostables) in a small city apartment kitchen?

Strange Meat
06-18-2009, 07:04 PM
Denver isn't doing it, but I'm sure is down with it.

I bet a LOT of people here do it on their own anyway. Hell, the Rockies are having a "green week"; for every home run they hit, they'll plant a tree. :haha:

BTinSF
06-18-2009, 07:15 PM
:previous: I don't see how you could do it if the city isn't encouraging it. Wouldn't the trash collectors just dump the compostable bags together with the other trash and dump it all in a land fill?

Via Chicago
06-18-2009, 07:19 PM
Actually where I live its against city ordinance to even keep a compost pile; although we maintain one anyway and use it for the garden.

Strange Meat
06-18-2009, 07:22 PM
:previous: I don't see how you could do it if the city isn't encouraging it. Wouldn't the trash collectors just dump the compostable bags together with the other trash and dump it all in a land fill?

I'm sure a lot of people do it, but themselves. Like a little compost pile for their home.

Keep in mind, a lot of housing stock in Denver are close-together bungalows.

I'm sure it's something that is more encouraged, but it isn't mandated.

brickell
06-18-2009, 10:25 PM
Seems that it'd be a bigger deal to get restaurants and grocers involved first.

Here in Miami we produce huge amounts of yard waste: palm fronds, tree clippings, coconuts, etc. It seems that at least 3/4 the people I see at the trash transfer stations are dumping yard clippings. I'd love for them to get something worked out for that. Seems like such a waste to take it the landfill. Do any other areas do anything for yard waste?

niwell
06-18-2009, 10:47 PM
Toronto and most (all?) of the municipalities in the GTA have a green bin system for organic waste. It seems second nature to put anything biodegradable into these bins now, though the program is only now being expanded to include apartment buildings and condos. Currently it serves houses (including multi-family units within houses/townhouses) and restaurants.

I guess logistically there are issues with collecting green waste from high rises. Though apparently the trash chutes in new condos (or at least friends places) have sorted options for trash, recyclables and green waste, even though the option isn't in use yet.

Gordo
06-18-2009, 10:48 PM
I'm sure a lot of people do it, but themselves. Like a little compost pile for their home.

Keep in mind, a lot of housing stock in Denver are close-together bungalows.

I'm sure it's something that is more encouraged, but it isn't mandated.

Yeah, I grew up with parents that were religious about having a nicely maintained compost pile in the backyard. It was lined in plastic and had several different thermometer stakes in it. My dad used to be very picky about what could and couldn't go into the pile based on the temperature, the time of year, what other things recently went in, and so forth (he's a microbiologist). I remember having to go out in three feet of snow to "turn the pile." I have to admit that it was pretty cool seeing the amount of heat that would be coming off of it even when it was 10 below outside. I think he was pretty successful at getting practically the whole neighborhood to build compost piles of their own. Needless to say, it won't really bother me.

It should be mentioned for SF that there has already been a compost program (green bin) for years and years that most restaurants, grocers, produce stands, and single family homes are involved in. The difference with this plan is that it makes it mandatory for everyone (including apartment dwellers) and actually will fine people who don't comply starting in 2010. The city already sells literally thousands of tons of composted materials to central valley farmers every year.

SHiRO
06-18-2009, 11:27 PM
This has been standard practise in the NL (and I presume most of NW Europe) for over a decade. Also, paper, glass, textiles, small chemicals (paint, batteries, etc) and recentely plastics.

SHiRO
06-18-2009, 11:29 PM
How to keep 3 trash receptacles (one for non-recyclables, one for recyclables, one for compostables) in a small city apartment kitchen?
Don't apartment complexes have communal waste disposal systems?

JMancuso
06-19-2009, 12:11 AM
Don't apartment complexes have communal waste disposal systems?

yes. in the form of a big dumpster where the contents don't get sorted, just sent off to a landfill.

BTinSF
06-19-2009, 12:37 AM
Don't apartment complexes have communal waste disposal systems?

On each floor we have a small "trash room" (maybe 2 meters sq--equipped with a motion sensor so as not to "waste energy" from people leaving the light on, by the way) in the wall of which is a door to the trash chute (leading to a dumpster in the loading dock on the ground floor)--in my case, though, that's maybe as much as 100 meters away (it's a big building and I live in a part between the main sections where the trash rooms are). Over the years, as new laws went into effect, we have accumulated on the floor of the "trash room" various receptacles for paper recyclables, glass, metal, plastics. People also put large objects that can't fit down the chute or are illegal to dispose of in landfills in there (they're not supposed to put the latter but they do). I checked when the composting program started and apparently we are supposed to put the green compostable bags the management supplies down the regular chute and the waste hauling company will sort them from the other trash somehow.

BUT, we still need to keep essentially 3 trash receptacles in our kitchen: One for the stuff that can go in the bins on the floor of the trash room, one for stuff that can go down the chute (non-compostable/non-recyclable) and one for compostables (management supplies a cute green lidded bin that can sit on the counter with compostable bags that fit into it--if you want to use it). The alternative would be to sort through one large trash sack in the trash room pulling out the recyclables--very messy.

My kitchen is maybe 3 x 4 meters. The only place suitable for trash, really, is under the sink where I have always kept ONE trash basket, recently accompanied by a used paper sack from the supermarket for recyclables that just sits there on the floor, in my way since I don't know what else to do with it. Now there is the compost bin taking up space on the counter. We'll see how it works out.

seaskyfan
06-19-2009, 01:17 AM
Seems that it'd be a bigger deal to get restaurants and grocers involved first.

Here in Miami we produce huge amounts of yard waste: palm fronds, tree clippings, coconuts, etc. It seems that at least 3/4 the people I see at the trash transfer stations are dumping yard clippings. I'd love for them to get something worked out for that. Seems like such a waste to take it the landfill. Do any other areas do anything for yard waste?

We have weekly yard waste collection in Seattle. It used to be every other week but since they started requiring composting it went to weekly (to overcome concerns about odor and rodents from old food waste sitting around for two weeks). Folks who don't pay for yard waste have another container for their compost.

Jaborandi
06-19-2009, 04:02 AM
Toronto and most (all?) of the municipalities in the GTA have a green bin system for organic waste. It seems second nature to put anything biodegradable into these bins now, though the program is only now being expanded to include apartment buildings and condos. Currently it serves houses (including multi-family units within houses/townhouses) and restaurants.

I guess logistically there are issues with collecting green waste from high rises. Though apparently the trash chutes in new condos (or at least friends places) have sorted options for trash, recyclables and green waste, even though the option isn't in use yet.

I live in a high rise complex in Toronto which is a test facility for organic composting. It is proving to be quite popular with tenants. The disposal rate has not yet met its optimum level, but it is getting there.

SuburbanNation
06-19-2009, 04:32 AM
ive got one, but its not fully up to speed as there is a lot of dirt from ripping out the bermuda grass in my back yard to plant my vegetable garden.

vid
06-19-2009, 04:39 AM
No, and no, but a community garden is being built across the street and I will probably start composting by giving them whatever organic waste I have.

lawfin
06-19-2009, 04:29 PM
Actually where I live its against city ordinance to even keep a compost pile; although we maintain one anyway and use it for the garden.

US too



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