[View2gowanus]

I realize autos are increasingly regarded as environmentally corrupt and passé. But they are a major fact of life planet-wide and are the fastest growing segment of transport, especially with China and India's new middle classes going car-crazy.

So let's discuss them in all their myriad forms. The industry is in a crazy flux and nobody is quite sure where it will lead. Full Hybrid, mild hybrid, fuel cell, electric, hydrogen and biofuel combustion, we haven't seen this since the debates of external combustion (steam) vs. internal combustion at the turn of the last century!

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I'll start with something sexy to get everyone's attention. No hybrid, this is the replacement for what has become the industry standard of exotic sports cars, the Ferrari 430. The F430 has been Ferrari's bread and butter since 2004, and before that it was the 308 of 1975, made famous on tv by Magnum PI. It's a simple formula of two seats with a mid-engine V-8. Over the years what has changed is technology, engine displacement, performance and weight (in the ever loftier spheres). What hasn't changed is fuel economy. Ferrari is no longer immune to drinking fuel like champagne so the replacement is the F458.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/1984_Ferrari_308_GTB_qv.jpg/800px-1984_Ferrari_308_GTB_qv.jpg
(1984 F308GTB)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Ferrari.targa.arp.750pix.jpg
(1989 F328GTB)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Ferrari348.jpg
(1990 F348)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Ferrari_F355_Coup%C3%A9.jpg/800px-Ferrari_F355_Coup%C3%A9.jpg
(1995 F355)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Ferrari_360_Modena_Colorado.jpg/800px-Ferrari_360_Modena_Colorado.jpg
(2002 F360M)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Ferrari_F430_front_20080605.jpg/800px-Ferrari_F430_front_20080605.jpg
(2007 F430)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6c/Italia_render.jpg
2010 F458
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6341/72014918.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4558/94683311.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/359/86261145.jpg

Leaked patent application drawings show Ferrari pursuing a unique hybrid drivetrain system that would utilize its electric motor and a gasoline engine seperately, each to drive one axle. The electric motors would be powered by regenerative braking, much as in the Formula One KERS installation.:D

Yep, that's right. The new standard of exotics will probably be offered with hybrid technology.

Weird. Or maybe I'm just really old.:tup:

[View2gowanus]

Fisker Karma plug-in series hybrid sports sedan with a solar roof....on sale now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisker_Karma
http://karma.fiskerautomotive.com/

http://photos.webridestv.com/datastore/images/user/68ac106295cef1abc54f93c860edc2eb/Fisker_Karma_90841_20080617.jpg

[View2gowanus]

The Zero-Emission Sedan of the Future. A Reality Today.
In California at least where Honda have leased out a few hundred of the FCX Clarity hydrogen fuel cell sedans. The exhaust is water.

http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/marqu154/architecture/honda_fcx_concept_fuel_cell_sedan_official.jpg

[View2gowanus]

How about the MINI E?
http://www.miniusa.com/minie-usa/

http://www.likecool.com/Car/Coupe/MINI%20E/MINI-E.jpg

I suspect you guys get the point of all this, so lets hear it.:frog:

[Dac150]

I don’t like the direction the new Ferrari designs are going.

[Strange Meat]

Fisker Karma plug-in series hybrid sports sedan with a solar roof....on sale now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisker_Karma
http://karma.fiskerautomotive.com/

http://photos.webridestv.com/datastore/images/user/68ac106295cef1abc54f93c860edc2eb/Fisker_Karma_90841_20080617.jpg

Looks fast. Goes slow.

[ThreeHundred]

I can win this thread. As I don't just post fast cars. I give something for everyone. **Warning..lots of large pics**

2010 Suzuki Kizashi
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/07/2010kizashi_official000.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/07/2010kizashi_official029.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/07/2010kizashi_official041.jpg

2010 Acura ZDX
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/07/2010_zdx_2.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/07/2010_zdx_exterior.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/07/10zdx_interior.jpg

Kia Forte Koup
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/07/fortekoup2010_68.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/04/fortekoup2010_15.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/07/fortekoup2010_84.jpg

2010 Cadillac SRX
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/07/2010srx_review000.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/07/2010srx_review003.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/07/2010srx_review022.jpg

2010 Rolls-Royce Ghost
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/06/200extouch001.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/06/200extouch003.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/06/200extouch010.jpg

2010 Jaguar XJ
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/07/2010jaguarxj_abh006.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/07/2010jaguarxj_abh015.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/07/2010jaguarxj_abh022.jpg

2010 GMC Terrian
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/04/gmc-terrain-backgrounder-01.jpg
[/img]
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/04/gmc-terrain-backgrounder-09.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/04/gmc-terrain-backgrounder-14.jpg

2010 Kia Sorento
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/04/151640.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/04/151642.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/04/kia_sorento_10_05.jpg

2010 Bentley Contiental Supersports
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/02/04_bentley_continental_supe.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/02/01_bentley_continental_supe.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/02/15_bentley_continental_supe.jpg

2009 Nissan Cube and Cube Krom
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/02/nissancube---1.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/02/nissancubekrom---04.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/02/nissancubekrom---13.jpg

2011 Chevy Spark
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/02/10chevspark_hi_001.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/02/10chevspark_hi_003.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/02/10chevspark_hi_002.jpg

2010 Ford F-150 Harley-Davidson
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/02/10f150harley_01_hr-1280.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/02/10f150harley_02_hr-1280.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/02/10f150harley_08_hr-1280.jpg

2010 Ford Taurus SHO
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/02/018_2010taurussho.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/02/002_2010taurussho.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/02/039_2010taurussho.jpg

[View2gowanus]

Looks fast. Goes slow.

Nope. The Fisker Karma does 0-60 mph in 5.8 seconds and has a top speed of 125. The top speed may be 30mph less than your average Merc or Bimmer top saloon, but still is fast enough for most enthusiasts. Certainly it's quite a leap for an electric sedan given we are in the infant stages. Oh, and it gets the equivalent of 70 to 100 mpg compared to a traditional internal combustion vehicle.:tup:

[View2gowanus]

I can win this thread. As I don't just post fast cars. I give something for everyone. **Warning..lots of large pics**


Great pics, but this thread is not about just pretty pics, it's about how the automobile is changing. How about some information along with the photos?;)

[View2gowanus]

Aston Martin Cygnet:
http://vlane.com/img/blogs/mb/news06aston_cygnet.jpg

This is a rather odd brand engineering effort being developed by A/M to help their average fleet mileage meet upcoming EU laws. They now sell too many cars to be exempt unlike Rolls-Royce (owned by BMW and thus bundled with fleet average) and Bentley (owned by Volkswagen).

It is nothing more than a rebodied Toyota IQ, coming to the US in a few months as a Scion:

http://thearticlewriter.com/autowriter/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/toyota-iq.jpg

The US version will compete with the Smart, but will have more space and power. While the Smart is rear-engined and RWD, the IQ is front-engined, fwd and gets better mpg due to a more sophisticated engine and aerodynamics.

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/2010-toyota-iq-5.jpg

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/2010-toyota-iq-4.jpg

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/2010-toyota-iq-6.jpg

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2010-toyota-iq.htm

[Strange Meat]

Nope. The Fisker Karma does 0-60 mph in 5.8 seconds and has a top speed of 125. The top speed may be 30mph less than your average Merc or Bimmer top saloon, but still is fast enough for most enthusiasts. Certainly it's quite a leap for an electric sedan given we are in the infant stages. Oh, and it gets the equivalent of 70 to 100 mpg compared to a traditional internal combustion vehicle.:tup:

Yeah, and maybe it's just me, but a roughly 6 second 0-60 ain't all that fast. WRXs can beat that.

Though, definite props for the technology.

[View2gowanus]

^I think it's just you. How many cars can do 0-60 in under six? Not that many, and only two are electric (Tesla and Fisker). Virtually all that can do it under five are priced near or well over 100k, not to mention under four.

The Tesla (completely electric) does 0-60 in 3.8secs. And with the massive torque associated with an electric motor it actually out-performs the Lotus Elise chassis it's based on!

http://matthewaengel.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/tesla2.jpg

http://www.teslamotors.com/

[View2gowanus]

Speaking of Tesla, they have a new all-electric sedan set to debut, the Model S:

http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/uploads/tesla_model_s_leaked_-500x333.jpg

http://www.teslamotors.com/models/index.php

[sznter]

My sister's planning to buy the new Audi A5 Sportback as soon as it arrives in Finland. She's got a good taste :yes:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3517/3727309364_95f188f251_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2502/3726505681_ced75cc635_o.jpg

[ThreeHundred]

Great pics, but this thread is not about just pretty pics, it's about how the automobile is changing. How about some information along with the photos?;)

Uhh..they're all cars and they go fast. :shrug:

And FoMoCo may have finally found the niche. We're getting the Euro Focus next year. And they actually have plans for Lincoln and Mercury

From AutoBlog
If The Blue Oval boys intend to keep buyers filing into Lincoln and Mercury showrooms over the next few years, each brand's product portfolios are going to need a bit more than a simple nick-and-tuck to compete with the best from around the world. To that end, expect Lincoln to continue making the switch from large, rear-wheel drive SUVs and old-tech luxury barges to smaller, more nimble premium models akin to the next-gen Focus-based compact Concept C that was introduced earlier this year at the Detroit Auto Show. Around the same time, the very last Lincoln Town Car will roll ingloriously down the assembly line, replaced as it's already been in most buyer's minds by the newer MKS.

Don't expect to see a replacement for the aging Lincoln Navigator SUV any time soon, but joining the MKX and MKT mid-size crossovers may well be a new compact 'ute based on the underpinnings of the next-gen Ford Escape, Mercury Mariner and Ford Kuga (for Europe, at least). Speaking of Ford's interplanetary brand, it's reportedly finally confirmed Mercury has a future products in the pipeline. Starting small – which seems to be a definite theme for Mercury and Lincoln – Mercury should get its own version of the next Focus, probably as a 2012 model.

A year later in 2013, the Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan and Lincoln MKZ are all scheduled to get a new front-drive mid-size platform that will thankfully share its guts with the European Ford Mondeo. The Mercury Mariner and Ford Escape twins along with the expected Lincoln crossover should show up late in 2011. Finally, the body-on-frame Grand Marquis and Mountaineer will make the long, cold walk to the automotive graveyard within the next few years. Somehow, we doubt many will miss their absence.

[detmsp]

Fisker Karma plug-in series hybrid sports sedan with a solar roof....on sale now.


if by "on sale now" you mean they'll take your money, but you'll get a car god knows when.... then yes, yes it is on sale.

[detmsp]

Uhh..they're all cars and they go fast. :shrug:

And FoMoCo may have finally found the niche. We're getting the Euro Focus next year. And they actually have plans for Lincoln and Mercury

From AutoBlog
haha plans for mercury? the only "plans" mentioned in your quote are plans to eliminate 40% of mercury's models!

[ThreeHundred]

^This is what we call downsizing. Addition by subtraction.

[detmsp]

^I think it's just you. How many cars can do 0-60 in under six? Not that many, and only two are electric (Tesla and Fisker). Virtually all that can do it under five are priced near or well over 100k, not to mention under four.

The Tesla (completely electric) does 0-60 in 3.8secs. And with the massive torque associated with an electric motor it actually out-performs the Lotus Elise chassis it's based on!

whoa there buddy! out performs the elise? in a drag race yes. on the track? not so much. the acceleration of the tesla is pretty awesome due to the instant torque of an electric motor, but those heavy batteries really put a damper on the driving dynamics. the elise will smoke a tesla around corners.... i guess it all depends on what's most important to you. personally, i'd rather have a car with less acceleration with better handling.

[detmsp]

^This is what we call downsizing. Addition by subtraction.

well your quote failed to mention the sable is also getting the boot. so that's now 60% of the brand gone. mercury becomes the milan and the mariner. hardly seems like it's worth keeping an entire brand around for 2 vehicles.

[ThreeHundred]

Mercury isn't a high profile brand like Chevy or Honda. But it does have it's place in the automotive world. Why do you think the Grand Marquis (see Ford Crown Victoria and Lincoln Town Car) has lasted for as long as it has?

But Mercury does have plans on bringing over some of Euro Ford's cars. Namely the Mondeo.

http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/0/q/l/ford_mondeo.jpg

[detmsp]

Mercury isn't a high profile brand like Chevy or Honda. But it does have it's place in the automotive world. Why do you think the Grand Marquis (see Ford Crown Victoria and Lincoln Town Car) has lasted for as long as it has?

But Mercury does have plans on bringing over some of Euro Ford's cars. Namely the Mondeo.


The mondeo is a great looking car. I thought i heard a while back that the mondeo / fusion platforms would merge. so does that mean mondeo = next gen milan?

[ThreeHundred]

Could be. Even though the Mondeo is a bit bigger than the Milan. I still say that Mercury needs to bring back the Marauder.

http://www.elepent.com/photo/albums/autos/mercury/03_Marauder_15.jpg

[detmsp]

^base it off the taurus sho?

[ThreeHundred]

Actually, I would bring the Ford Falcon from Australia. Modify it a bit so it could appeal to mothers and speed freaks. I would give it 3 engine choices: Base would be 280 hp. Mid range would be 350. And the high end (which I would name the Marauder Black) would be 445 hp.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/2008falconcgirear.jpg

[FREKI]

The Zero-Emission Sedan of the Future. A Reality Today.
In California at least where Honda have leased out a few hundred of the FCX Clarity hydrogen fuel cell sedans. The exhaust is water.

http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/I love how they spin it like that...

In reality water vapour is just as much a greenhouse gas as carbon dioxide - and with the power needed to produce the fuel cells these cars ends up emitting a lot more greenhouse gasses than even the largest SUV would..



Anyways great thread - love virtually all new ones shown here so far! :)

[ThreeHundred]

So GM released it's upcoming product via Twitter. Here are some of the highlights:

* GM unveiled a new Cadillac concept dubbed the ATS, a compact BMW 3 Series fighter that will be available in both coupe and sedan forms.

* The Cadillac DTS' replacement – currently named the XTS – will be built atop the Buick LaCrosse's underpinnings and will be available with all-wheel drive.

* The CTS Coupe is due to arrive this May, and there's still talk of a V version (duh). Apparently GM has a working CTS-V SportWagon on premises and it could arrive as early as next year.

* New Chevrolet Malibu unveiled, but it supposedly won't reach production until 2012.

* All-new midsize Buick model coming within the next 24 months.

[detmsp]

I love how they spin it like that...

In reality water vapour is just as much a greenhouse gas and carbon dioxide - and with the power needed to produce the fuel cells these cars ends up emitting a lot more greenhouse gasses than even the largest SUV would..



Anyways great thread - love virtually all new ones shown here so far! :)i also love how they are leasing about 100 of them at a huge loss just so they can say "look at us, we're the only company with a fuel cell car on the market!" GM has 100 fuel cell equinoxs in the hands of the public. the difference? GM isn't charging people to be their guinea pigs like honda.

Kudos to everyone for keeping the discussion focused on cars. I'm so sick of every car discussion eventually turning into politics, bailouts, etc...

[ThreeHundred]

So according to GM, the 2011 Chevy Volt will get 230 mpg!!!!

[dchan]

So according to GM, the 2011 Chevy Volt will get 230 mpg!!!!

Time to classify it as a "light truck" or "SUV"!! :banana:

[ThreeHundred]

2010 Hyundai Equus
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/08/asset_upload_file340_3061.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/08/asset_upload_file417_3061.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/08/asset_upload_file535_3061.jpg

[ThreeHundred]

2010 Hyundai Tucson
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/08/ix35-rendering-large-1.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/08/ix35-rendering-large-2.jpg

[FREKI]

So according to GM, the 2011 Chevy Volt will get 230 mpg!!!!
That is such a faulty comparison, it's an battery powered car, so it could get infinite "MPGs" as long as you only run on battery, but when you start using the gas engine to generate electricity then it drops down to normal is not subpar levels..

They really need a new way to messure consuption, the MPG/KM per liter is useless when dealiting with electrical cars...

[ThreeHundred]

That is such a faulty comparison, it's an battery powered car, so it could get infinite "MPGs" as long as you only run on battery, but when you start using the gas engine to generate electricity then it drops down to normal is not subpar levels..

They really need a new way to messure consuption, the MPG/KM per liter is useless when dealiting with electrical cars...

Actually, it's very logical that the Chevy Volt can get up to 230 mpg.

From CNN.com

Fuel economy for hybrid vehicles like the Toyota Prius is displayed in the same way as it is for any other gasoline-powered vehicle. It gets 46 mpg, for example, versus 19 mpg for a V-6 Ford Mustang.

That standard works because all the energy used by the Prius ultimately comes from burning gasoline. The Prius just uses that energy more efficiently than other cars do.

The Chevrolet Volt, on other hand, runs on electricity that comes from two sources -- a battery as well as a gasoline engine.

When gasoline is providing the power, the Volt might get as much as 50 mpg. But that mpg figure would not take into account that the car has already gone 40 miles with no gas at all.

So let's say the car is driven 50 miles in a day. For the first 40 miles, no gas is used and during the last 10 miles, 0.2 gallons are used. That's the equivalent of 250 miles per gallon. But, if the driver continues on to 80 miles, total fuel economy would drop to about 100 mpg. And if the driver goes 300 miles, the fuel economy would be just 62.5 mpg.

The Volt will need to be plugged in at night to recharge. The company said it estimates it will need 10 kilowatt hours for the recharge necessary to travel 40 miles. That should cost a total of about 40 cents at off-peak electricity rates in Detroit, Henderson said.

* It plugs in to a normal wall socket.
* It will also charge on a 240 volt circuit.
* It is large enough to be a reasonable mode of transport for nearly anyone.
* It has a relatively inexpensive battery setup.
* It has a battery that's designed to operate for 10 years before it needs replacing.
* It has extended range, via a gasoline motor.
* It comes in at nearly half the price of all electric cars before it.
* It receives government support and subsidy to get people buying it.
* It comes with regenerative braking.
* It operates in all climates.
* It comes with (optional) solar panels to charge on the go.

[mr jones]

What's an auto thread without at least one picture of a Mercedes-Benz W124 500E500

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/hafamaca/mercedes-benz_500e_6.jpg
Source: my HD

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

[ThreeHundred]

2010 Bentley Mulsanne (Phantom still looks better)
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/08/bentleymulsanne5_3-1280.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/08/bentleymulsanne6_3-1280.jpg

[mr jones]

:previous:

That isn't replacing the Arnage I hope!

[ThreeHundred]

^ It is. Sorry buddy.

[mr jones]

^ It is. Sorry buddy.

Oh, I cannot believe it! I love the styling of the Arnage, all Bentley's recent/new stuff is.. blah... same with RollsRoyce. What a shame :(

[detmsp]

so who else is super bummed that none of the auto journos were able to sneak some camera phone pics of the caddy XTS / ATS, new malibu, new gmc and whatever else got shown to the media last week? i thought for sure by now something would have found it's way onto the interwebs.

[Dac150]

:previous:

That isn't replacing the Arnage I hope!

Agreed, though the Arnage has had a good run. You never know though, both Rolls Royce and Bentley automobiles are cycles and re-appear through time.

I will say though that Rolls Royce has gone down the tube in their designs. I’ve been very disappointed and now to see Bentley going down that same path makes me nervous.

This newcomer certainly isn’t terrible but isn’t an Arnage. I kind of had a feeling that this was coming.

[Aleks]

Personally, I love luxury cars that look a little futuristic. But still look good.

http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Audi-R8-audi-266339_1600_1131.jpg
link (http://www.fanpop.com/spots/audi/images/266339)

http://www.bentleymotors.com/media/med/Libraries/1/GT_Introduction_MY08_l2_w728_h402.jpg
http://www.bentleymotors.com/models/continental_series/continental_gt/introduction/default.aspx

But my favorite car is this sexy beast.
http://cdn-www.rsportscars.com/foto/2007geneva/aston_db9.jpg
link (http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/events/2007geneva.asp)

[sznter]

The Seat Exeo is the very first Seat car whose design at least somewhat pleases my eye. Then again, that's probably because the car's basically an Audi A4.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3258/2911209933_7e4933ff44_o.jpg
flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/fabvt/2911209933/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3014/2939241521_340cefb999.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3279/2909617461_7f9ef27877.jpg

[ThreeHundred]

2010 Saab 9-5
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/07/saab-9-5-leaked2-large_21.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/07/saab-9-5-leaked2-large_02.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/07/saab-9-5-leaked2-large_08.jpg

2010 VW Polo
http://www.blogcdn.com/green.autoblog.com/media/2009/08/db2009au01276_medium.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/green.autoblog.com/media/2009/08/db2009au01279_medium.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/green.autoblog.com/media/2009/08/db2009au01272_medium.jpg

2010 Mazdaspeed3
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/08/2010mazdaspeed3_fd000.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/08/2010mazdaspeed3_fd002.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/08/2010mazdaspeed3_fd022.jpg

[sznter]

The ridiculously weak rear of the new 9-5 ruins the whole exterior. The interior looks like a pleasure, though.

[View2gowanus]

This has everything rolled into one. Top Gear, Dubai, Veyron v McL F1

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[ThreeHundred]

This is the best Bugatti Veyron video ever.

jk1t6S737Cs

[ThreeHundred]

We might get this

2009 (Chinese) Buick Regal
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/12/x08bu_rg011cn-1280.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/12/x08bu_rg008cn-1280.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/12/x08bu_rg033cn-1280.jpg

[M.K.]

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[dchan]

If the Regal does come to the U.S. in a similar form, it will almost certainly have multiple portholes on the side instead of those gills. Portholes mean nothing to the Chinese, while they harken back to the Harley Earl glory days in the U.S.

[ThreeHundred]

Cadillac just released it's new commercial and I must say it's bad ass.

TpyeUo50-Eg

[ThreeHundred]

2010 Buick Lacrosse
http://heritagebuickgmc.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/2010-buick-lacrosse-1.jpg
http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/2010_buick_lacrosse_image_002.jpg

vs

2009 Lexus ES 350
http://www.vivagoal.com/images/wallpapers/lexus-es-350.jpg
http://images.motortrend.com/oftheyear/car/112_0701_coty_29z+2007_lexus_ES_350+dash_view.jpg

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=156106

If you do your part to forget about your (grand)father's Buick, we'll do ours to refrain from picking the low-hanging fruit when it comes to smart remarks in this comparison test of the 2010 Buick LaCrosse CXS and the 2009 Lexus ES 350. There will be no references to forgotten left-turn signals or Murder She Wrote. Instead we'll ensure our focus remains on how well each car fulfills its promise of entry-level luxury.

Rather than our usual 20 percent emphasis on intended acceleration and other track performances, we'll count those only as 10 percent of the total score for this comparison. Instead, we'll reward these cars more heavily for their ability to coddle, pamper and supply the kind of features a modern luxury car should — increasing this component of the final tally to 25 percent from our normal 20 percent. And in light of this era of doomsday economics, we've made the price 25 percent of the final score, up from 20 percent.

The Luxury Landscape
What started in 1989 as a gussied-up Toyota Camry has matured over 20 years into one of the best-selling luxury sedans in the U.S. It might surprise you that the low-profile front-wheel-drive Lexus ES historically has been the sales leader for the high-profile Lexus brand, outselling its more expensive rear-wheel-drive Lexus siblings like the GS and IS, not to mention the range-topping LS. The expectation of super reliability, solicitous service writers, loaner cars and projected resale value had much to do with the success of the entry-level Lexus, which is perceived as a great value for the luxury received.

We also believe one of the reasons for the ES's popularity is the relatively thin field of competitors in the segment of entry-level luxury sedans. The Acura TL has gone all beak-nosed and high-tech, alienating those in search of simple luxury. The Cadillac CTS is conflicted and needs a singular concept ("Standard of the World" might be a good one to dust off). Infiniti is still trying to establish itself, though neither the G nor the M sedans seem to fit the luxury segment. Lincoln has failed so many times with rebadged Fords that nobody pays much attention anymore, and any differentiation among the cryptically described MKS, MKT, MKX and MKZ devolves into a case of brand glaucoma. As far as the German sedans go, choices for buyers not interested in Nürburgring lap times have been limited.

Meanwhile, Lexus has been quietly reaping the rewards by satisfying buyers looking for a comfortable, reasonably priced luxury sedan, and so the 2009 Lexus ES 350 is the latest in a long line of sedans that have trudged along essentially unchallenged in this market segment. But now GM — and more specifically, Buick — wants some of that action, and the 2010 Buick LaCrosse is its answer.

Is Buick the New Lexus?
So it was only a little surprising that when the all-new 2010 Buick LaCrosse CXS (base price of $33,765) arrived at Edmunds HQ, it appeared more than prepared to take on the 2009 Lexus ES 350 at $35,345.

Anyone who doubts the LaCrosse's mission is to compete with the ES 350 need only scan the lengthy standard equipment list and drive one a couple hundred yards. As Dan Pund said in our Full Test of the LaCrosse CXS, "Really, people, you're going to have to get past your whole Buick thing. Wake up; times are changing."

And judging from your interest in our quick test of the 2010 Buick LaCrosse CXL with its 3.0-liter V6 and our full test of the LaCrosse CXS with its 3.6-liter V6, this all-new Buick has your attention, as well it should.

Lazy Boy
When we drove the LaCrosse and ES 350 side-by-side during our comparison testing, it was immediately evident that the standard, heated/ventilated, leather-upholstered front seats in the 2010 Buick LaCrosse CXS were far more comfortable and supportive than the ES 350's optional seats. (Leather upholstery isn't even standard on the 2009 Lexus ES 350.) Extra point for Buick that these easy chairs also boast handsome and well-executed double stitching, a detail that's evident throughout the cabin.

According to the SAE's calibrated tape measure, the front accommodations of the two sedans are within fractions of an inch of one another, but the rear seats of the Buick not only measure larger but also are noticeably larger to the eye as well. Yes, we have noted that the Buick surrenders about 2 cubic feet of trunk volume (and a smaller aperture as well as limited rearward visibility) to enjoy this asset, but its cargo capacity of 12.8 cubic feet is still large by most standards.

The rear seats in the Lexus are fixed and the armrest contains a ski-size pass-through. The rear seats in the LaCrosse also hide a ski-size pass-through, but additionally accommodate a 60/40-split folding feature that expands the cargo capability. And though our Buick isn't so equipped, there is an available rear-seat DVD entertainment system — an option not currently available in the Lexus.

The rear passengers of the Lexus also will be underwhelmed with a couple of HVAC vents, while the Buick supplies vents, a simple power point and a genuine two-prong AC power outlet. Both these cars are equipped with powered rear sunshades and rear side-mounted airbags.

Fine Motor Skills
In terms of driving dynamics, the Lexus has one subtle but distinct advantage over the Buick, because you never notice the drivetrain at all. We've praised Toyota's powerful and efficient 3.5-liter 2GR V6 in everything from a Toyota RAV4 and Sienna minivan to the Lexus IS 350 and RX 350. In the ES 350, the ultra-smooth and remarkably quiet V6 develops 272 horsepower, yet requires high-octane fuel to do so. The EPA's combined fuel economy rating for the 2009 Lexus ES 350 is 22 mpg, and we confirmed it with an observed average of 21 mpg.

The direct-injection 3.6-liter V6 in the 2010 Buick LaCrosse CXS makes more power than the Lexus V6 with 280 hp and it does so with regular-grade fuel. At the same time, it also has to stir more than 2 tons of luxury sedan, which translates into an average of 18.5 mpg in our testing, while the official EPA rating is 21 mpg. The Buick never ever feels overburdened, but it just doesn't accomplish overtaking maneuvers as effortlessly as the Lexus. The transmission programming in the Buick is also busier than that of the Lexus, prioritizing fuel savings instead of seamless, unobtrusive power.

It's not a huge surprise the lighter ES 350 (by a whopping 472 pounds) outpaced the slightly more powerful Buick at the test track by about a half-second across all the sampled speeds. Then again, if a half-second matters to you, then you might be shopping in the wrong showroom. (Sport sedans are on the other side, sir, next to the branded athletic apparel.)

Fancy Suspenders
From behind the Buick CXS's standard heated steering wheel, we found its ride far more controlled and yet soothing than that of the squishy Lexus. The LaCrosse CXS has standard two-mode self-adjusting shock absorbers that do an excellent job of damping out impacts with a single(!) rebound stroke. In comparison, the Lexus feels soggy with its soft springs, and the traditional dampers allow the body to oscillate through at least two suspension cycles after an impact. There was a time (1997-2001) when the Lexus ES 300 offered Adaptive Variable Suspension, including a sport/comfort selector, but cost-cutting seems to have taken a toll.

It might not matter to you that the Buick's $800 Touring package includes 19-inch wheels (the Lexus wears standard 17s) and ties together transmission, steering and damping rates for what is supposed to be a sportier driving experience. Somebody once said, "A difference, to be a difference, must make a difference," and, frankly, we could scarcely detect any variation in the way the LaCrosse CXS drove in Sport or normal modes. Actually, we feel the 19-inch wheels and Touring suspension settings transmit a slightly more brittle ride quality compared to the standard 18-inch wheels and standard suspension.

In fact, the LaCrosse CXL we tested with 18-inch wheels and without the Touring package matched this LaCrosse CXS's handling numbers, registered lower sound levels at 70 mph and enveloped road irregularities with the same imperviousness as Mr. Fancy Dampers.

The Clock Never Stops
An area where the 2010 Buick LaCrosse CXS scores big points is in our scoring for 10 selected features, including must-have items like navigation with real-time traffic information, remote starting, perforated leather seating with heat and ventilation, and so on. Of course there are items both cars have in common, like intelligent keys, premium audio systems, articulating xenon headlamps, dual-zone climate controls and oversize moonroofs.

Have a look at the Top 10 Features list, but in summary, of the 10 we chose, there were six important attributes we found to be standard on the Buick and the remaining four were optional. In contrast, there were six features that were not even available for the ES 350. In terms of scoring, this means the Buick LaCrosse CXS earns 80 points, where the Lexus ES 350 only manages 26.7 points.

Short-Term Memory Loss
It's not completely smooth sailing for the Buick, however. We docked the LaCrosse several points for design errors, not just the blind spots caused by the C-pillars in this coupe-style design but also the thick A-pillars and bulky side mirrors. We're not exaggerating when we say that these enormous buttresses literally obscure pedestrians in crosswalks and entire vehicles at a four-way stop.

There were also weak door detents that could barely hold open a door on the slightest incline. Rather than a dedicated trunk release button within the cabin, you must use either the key fob or a touch pad on the trunk plinth itself. And finally, we're still nursing our bruised knees after having met the jutting portion of the wraparound dashboard when we entered the car. There's a programmable easy-entry feature that motors the driver seat aft to avoid this tight squeeze, but the car sometimes forgets to return the seat to the driving position.

Relics
To be fair, the Lexus had its share of design foibles as well. The 2009 Lexus ES 350 interior looks and feels like an antique compared to the contemporary LaCrosse CXS. The promotional material for the Lexus even specifically calls out the ES 350's 1970s-era "electronic digital quartz clock."

The mahogany-tinted high-gloss wood looks like it came from a downmarket furniture store, and what's with the old Mercedes-style shift gate for the shift lever? And we nearly called an anthropologist when we spied the ES 350's cassette tape player. Sure, Lexus drivers are known enthusiasts of books on tape, but does Mark Levinson know it's still there?

Retirement Age
The final demerit for the 2009 Lexus ES 350 regards its price. What starts out as a simple $1,580 price fissure that favors the better-equipped 2010 Buick LaCrosse CXS grows to a $4,650 chasm at the bottom line once you compare feature content. If we were to subtract the ES 350's $4,250 navigation/Mark Levinson package from its bottom line, the car would still be $400 more expensive than the LaCrosse and even less competitive.

What at first appeared to be a put-up-or-shut-up proposition for Buick has resulted in a thorough embarrassment for Lexus. The two entry-level luxury sedans are effectively tied in our ratings of performance and fuel, but every place else — evaluation scores, feature content and price — the 2010 Buick LaCrosse walks away from the 2009 Lexus ES 350 with a decisive 17-point victory.

We're not saying the Lexus ES 350 is not a fine automobile; we're just saying its time has passed as a standard by which entry-level luxury sedans are to be measured. For that, you must consider the 2010 Buick LaCrosse CXS as the new leader in its class.

At first we questioned GM's strategy, not only with the LaCrosse itself but also with the notion of Buick as a genuine competitor for Lexus. But after this comparison, we have no doubt that the 2010 Buick LaCrosse is a game-changing, brand-defining automobile that will go far to both revitalize Buick and promote the new General Motors.

Inside Line Executive Editor Michael Jordan says:
We're still all a little bit woozy with the shock of how good the Buick LaCrosse is. We just didn't see it coming. Buick has been blathering for a while now about the way it wants to confront Lexus on the Japanese premium brand's own turf, but aside from that old minivan-based utility it produced, which looked like the Mr. Potato Head version of the Lexus RX 350 with assorted styling cues stuck to a graceless box, we haven't seen much evidence.

But the LaCrosse gets your attention from the moment you get behind the wheel. This is a genuinely ambitious car, a worthy successor to all those great Buick concept cars over the past decade that never got built. And it goes down the road like a car with an international heritage, not just a Detroit-style one. We've been skeptical about this GM Epsilon platform as it has evolved from the barely adequate Saturn Aura to the amazingly competent Chevy Malibu to the truly international Opel Insignia and now into the high-tech Vauxhall Insignia VXR, and we're believers now.

Yet one more thing remains. It's easy to forget that GM has always managed to stuff a lot of features into an affordable package. It's a concept that sold a lot of Chevy Cavaliers and Pontiac Sunfires in its day. Yet we can't forget that much of the appeal of the Lexus ES 350 rests on the absolute credibility of the Lexus brand, a proven history of quality and customer service. This is the authenticity that has always been missing from GM's efforts in the past, and it is the thing that Buick must have if it is to succeed as an important car company in the U.S., not to mention China.

People (well..those looking for a $30,000 car) should look at Buick.

[ThreeHundred]

2010 Honda Accord Crosstour
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/01_honda_accord_crosstour_010.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/03_honda_accord_crosstour_010.jpg

This car has been met with HARSH negativity. It has it's own facebook page and here are some of the comments.

Was really hoping this car was going to look like the JDM or the Tourer...but we got neither. Very dissapointed!!! -- Ciamaris R.

The bad move here was teasing a wagon and delivering this Aztec/Venza, why? They don't appeal to the same people (wagons appeal to existing Honda, Subaru & VW owners and CUV's to people who buy cars solely for their street presence (it... helps if they aren't ugly btw)). Through inept PR you've set yourselves up for an instant backlash that is going to dominate the press narrative for this car's launch...and you deserve it. Were you trying to keep a lid on the new Venza competitor? To what purpose? Did you really think that Toyota didn't know this was coming down the pipe? You've dissapointed and angered existing, money in hand customers by raising their expectations and then showing them a product you must know they would consider a betrayal of your brand heritage. If you had announced the CUV aspect of this ahead of time all those buyers would have tuned out this release and just kept on waiting for the wagon, faith in brand intact... -- Ted G.

Excellent another hideous car from Honda. This should be a real sales leader in the Early 40's Soccer Mom demographic. How about a legitimate replacement for the S2000 or NSX instead more garbage like this? -- Andrew C.

If I had a wallpaper of this car I would have to find a way to clean VOMIT outta my keyboard. -- Matt Q.

We hear you bud. You made your point. Some people will enjoy this car and this is for them -- Honda

Blind people can't drive... Matt Q.

Wow. Is this the new Aztek? Honda should've brought over the JDM Odyssey.

http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/2009_honda_odyssey_jdm_images_003.jpg
http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/2009_honda_odyssey_jdm_images_004.jpg
http://photocarsonline.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/honda-odyssey-jdm/honda-odyssey-jdm-16.jpg

[detmsp]

honda needs to fire all their exterior designers. the pilot, all the new acuras, and now this piece of shit? ridiculous

and toyota could stand to fire whoever penned this abomination:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/lexus_lf-ch_concept.jpg

[JMancuso]

the current gen civic is a great looking car.

http://www.riveroakshonda.com/blog/uploaded_images/2009_Civic_EX_Sedan,_3_4_Driver_Side_Front_%28CP09-07%29_web-757548.jpg

[FREKI]

the current gen civic is a great looking car.
I agree but I like the European model better

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9430/05exterior.jpg

If I had to buy a car today it would probable be it :)



I still don't get why there is such a big difference between the models in Europe and the US - even Fords differs greatly..

[JMancuso]

I still don't get why there is such a big difference between the models in Europe and the US - even Fords differs greatly..

fords in europe are produced by ford of europe, a subsidiary of ford. europeans are also big into hatchbacks (like that euro civic) where as americans generally prefer coupes and sedans.

[FREKI]

^still why the need for such difference - it's not like we're that different nor that we see the same in other products..

It seems like more work for the companies and more expenses having many different cars build rather than a few models..

I'm sure it pays off, and I don't really mind it, but I don't get why they could not just keep it to small stuff like a different front bumper, sidemirror or stuff like that..

When it's differnt cars the least they could do was name them something different :)

[M.K.]

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[ThreeHundred]

2010 Volvo C30
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/2010-volvo-c30-large-1.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/2010-volvo-c30-large-4.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/2010-volvo-c30-large-5.jpg

2010 Volvo XC60
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/06/01-volvo-xc60.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/06/03-volvo-xc60.jpg

[()_T]

2010 Volvo C30


Its 2011 Volvo C30, it will be released in 2010.

2011 Volvo S60

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm99/YahTrickYah57/2011_S60.jpg

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm99/YahTrickYah57/2011_S602.jpg

[FREKI]

^that is sweet! :)

[View2gowanus]

^still why the need for such difference - it's not like we're that different nor that we see the same in other products..

It seems like more work for the companies and more expenses having many different cars build rather than a few models..

I'm sure it pays off, and I don't really mind it, but I don't get why they could not just keep it to small stuff like a different front bumper, sidemirror or stuff like that..

When it's differnt cars the least they could do was name them something different :)

The vehicle safety laws are the first reason there is so much difference. The EU, US and Japan have such a completely different set of standards that some vehicles simply won't translate from one market to another without an entirely new design. For example Americans didn't get the SMART until recently because the old design didn't meet US crash standards. The new design (like the Mini) began with those standards plus EU pedestrian standards which we don't have here.

Fuel prices and urban infrastructure also make different vehicles quite differently appealing. Americans generally like larger vehicles with more horsepower because our driving habits are so different from those of Europe and Japan. The US has a far smaller network of public transport which means we spend more time and travel greater distances on average thus what makes a Honda Civic in Europe a hit is too small, uncomfortable over long distances and underpowered to be a hit in the US. While Diesel has become a big thing in Europe, the price difference is hardly worth the effort for most Americans/Japanese not to mention the environmental stigma (which is mostly unfounded these days).

While globalization of car models is getting closer there are many vehicles for which it simply doesn't pay to engineer in all the things that will make it a hit everywhere. Ask Carlos Ghosn.

[ThreeHundred]

Aside from the S-Class, Mercedes can't make a good looking car. And this is no different.

2010 Mercedes Benz SLS AMG (The Gullwing)
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/mb-sls-amg-gullwing-large_06.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/mb-sls-amg-gullwing-large_08.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/mb-sls-amg-gullwing-large_05.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/mb-sls-amg-gullwing-large_22.jpg

[dchan]

^that is sweet! :)

Not really. It looks like a Lexus more than anything.

[ThreeHundred]

Not really. It looks like a Lexus more than anything.

Saying that a car looks like a Lexus is never a bad thing.

[M.K.]

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[M.K.]

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[View2gowanus]

Yeah, the SLS AMG is a huge disappointment. And on the heels of the universally mocked SLR McLaren (for which this is supposed to be a replacement since the Merc/Mac divorce) it's especially unsettling. Bigger, heavier, faster, but to what end of driving enjoyment? And it's ugly as sin to boot.

The SLR McLaren
http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/SLR-Mclaren-mercedes-benz-40965_600_318.jpg

The original 300sl upon which both these overweight awkwards are based:
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-mno/Mercedes-Benz-300-SL-Coupe-FA-DO-1024x768.jpg

Mercedes is trying too hard to be something it briefly was fifty years ago. And the world attempts to see the road over the twelve foot hood.

[dchan]

Saying that a car looks like a Lexus is never a bad thing.

It's not a bad thing, but it's also not a very original look either. After all, Lexus designs have traditionally been softer-looking ripoffs of Mercedes designs. Let's just say the new Volvo look is highly inoffensive.

[M.K.]

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[ThreeHundred]

Remaking an older car and making it look modern while also looking retro has worked a few times. Case in point.

Ford Mustang
http://www.automobilesreview.com/gallery/ford-mustang-shelby-gt500kr/ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-kr-01.jpg

VW New Beetle
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2008/r-z-0-9/2008-Volkswagen-New-Beetle-Front-And-Side-1280x960.jpg

Dodge Challenger
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2006/2006-Dodge-Challenger-Concept-SA-1920x1440.jpg

Fiat 500
http://www.ecoautoninja.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/fiat-500.jpeg

And sometimes it doesn't work.

Ford Thunderbird
http://www.copsnrodders.com/Images_memberscars/Mike%20Bolte.JPG

I think that the SLS will sit next to the Thunderbird in a few years.

[View2gowanus]

^The New Beetle has also been a failure. VW never reached any of their sales goals and purists rejected the car for its complete disregard of the original formula (air-cooled rear engine). Among people who make their livings scoring cars the New Beetle has been a D+ at best and VW will finally let it die next year. It's basically a pricier Golf with quirky styling and far less practicality. Reminds me more of the AMC Pacer than the original Beetle.

BTW, Fiat has confirmed we'll be getting the 500 next year!

[dchan]

^The New Beetle has also been a failure. VW never reached any of their sales goals and purists rejected the car for its complete disregard of the original formula (air-cooled rear engine). Among people who make their livings scoring cars the New Beetle has been a D+ at best and VW will finally let it die next year. It's basically a pricier Golf with quirky styling and far less practicality. Reminds me more of the AMC Pacer than the original Beetle.

I agree. However, it's not the purist's POV that made the New Beetle a failure. It's the fact that VW crammed a body style derived from a rear-engine car onto a front-engine chassis design, creating a conflicting design overall. I've read Car and Driver reviews that stated the huge expanse between the windshield and the edge of the dashboard was the direct result of the front-engine taking up so much space.

So the Beetle purists had a point, but not because the New Beetle was a rejection of so many of the original car's features. Those features were there because the design called for it. The New Beetle was ultimately just a poorly designed car.

[JMancuso]

the beetle has been around about 10 years which is a long time without any significant refreshes so i'm not surprised VW is axing the model.

[()_T]

the beetle has been around about 10 years which is a long time without any significant refreshes so i'm not surprised VW is axing the model.

The Beetle is not being axed...

New Beetle – VW will redesign the Beetle and bring a second generation of the coupe and convertible to the U.S. Expanded port-installed customization options—think Mini Cooper—will be available. VW hopes to revitalize the Beetle brand and sell as many as possible because it's produced in Mexico, and consequently highly profitable compared with the company's other sporty and fun cars.

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car...eyond-car_news

[View2gowanus]

^That is old (speculative) news and highly dubious considering VW's bleeding of cash and the sluggish sales of the New Beetle. Automakers push image over information and in this case the New Beetle looks to be a goner, we'll surely know when Frankfurt opens.

The second gen Beetle was supposed to use the rear engine chassis of the UP! city car, but last year VW scrapped the idea of a rear engined UP! for a more conventional FE/FWD.

[()_T]

^That is old (speculative) news and highly dubious considering VW's bleeding of cash and the sluggish sales of the New Beetle. Automakers push image over information and in this case the New Beetle looks to be a goner, we'll surely know when Frankfurt opens.

The second gen Beetle was supposed to use the rear engine chassis of the UP! city car, but last year VW scrapped the idea of a rear engined UP! for a more conventional FE/FWD.

Its not old the information, in fact it was released just late last month. The UP! (the production version will be named "Lupo") is still in VW's plans, but its likely it will not be coming to the U.S. You can see more info on VW's future lineup here:

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/09q3/volkswagen_s_future_products_revealed_for_2011_2012_and_beyond-car_news

[View2gowanus]

Just because Car and Driver is running it does not mean it is accurate and current.;)

[M.K.]

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[()_T]

Another Retro that didn't worked like they expected here in Europe was PT Cruiser. I dont know in America.

PT Cruiser is doing well here in America.

2010 4Runner:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/2010-toyota-4runner-large_1.jpg

2011 Infiniti QX:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm99/YahTrickYah57/2011_QX.jpg

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm99/YahTrickYah57/2011_QX2.jpg

[JMancuso]

don't like the current "bug-eyed" headlight and taillight trend like the new camry and upcoming 4runner.

[ThreeHundred]

Good Lord those are horrible.

[()_T]

I like the Infiniti, its unique. As you said Mancuso "bug eyed" lights are horrible. Don't care much for the 4Runner, never did, never will.

[BTinSF]

Actually i do not understand why this Retro Thunderbird did not worked, while it is really not that bad.
Beetle is based in a cheap car design concept of 50ies that with some much more today manufacturing . . . .

Another Retro that didn't worked like they expected here in Europe was PT Cruiser. I dont know in America.


In America, the whole retro thing is based on getting now-affluent baby boomers (men, mostly, born between 1945 and 1965 or so) to buy the car they dreamed of driving in the 1950s, 1960s and, in some cases, 1970s when they couldn't afford it. I have a second home in a retirement area in Arizona and the place is crawling not only with new "retro" models (including lots of PT Cruisers) but also plenty of genuine restored vintage-mobiles. It's actually a great place for the genuine semi-antiques because the dry climate (and absence of snow or road salt) keeps them spotlessly rust-free.

Somehow, I doubt the same generation in Europe experienced the same love affair with cars.

[ThreeHundred]

We all remember the Pontiac G8. Now I bring you the HSV E Series 2 line up. This will make you really sad.

HSV GTS
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/hsv_e2_015.jpg

HSV Maloo R8
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/hsv_e2_016.jpg

HSV Senator Signature
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/hsv_e2_018.jpg

HSV ClubSport R8 Touring
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/hsv_e2_024.jpg

HSV Grange
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/hsv_e2_013.jpg

HSV ClubSport R8
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/hsv_e2_012.jpg

Some of the meanest looking cars and we'll never see them.

[M.K.]

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[M.K.]

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[Dac150]

I just hate the direction Rolls Royce is going with their designs (as I said before). They just look cheap.

[ThreeHundred]

VW Golf R20
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/volkswagen-golf-r20-large_01.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/volkswagen-golf-r20-large_12.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/volkswagen-golf-r20-large_10.jpg

Bugatti Galiber Concept
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/bugatti-galibier-large_3.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/bugatti-galibier-large_1.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/bugatti-galibier-large_5.jpg

[mr jones]

I hope these 'hatchback' sedans (whatever you call them) don't catch on... :yuck:

[nickkoto]

I hope these 'hatchback' sedans (whatever you call them) don't catch on... :yuck:

Agreed. That Bugatti, the BMW above, and the Porsche Panamera are some of the ugliest designs I've ever seen. They're so ugly that they aren't even worthy of a Subaru badge.

[ThreeHundred]

Ford C-Max Grand (We're getting this)
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/fra09fordgrandcmax_1.jpg.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/09-ford-c-max-live-frankfurt.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/30-ford-c-max-live-frankfurt.jpg

[ThreeHundred]

2010 Hyundai Sonata
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/160138.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/160139.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/160141.jpg

Aston Martin Rapide
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/01-aston-martin-rapide-production.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/05-aston-martin-rapide-production.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/11-aston-martin-rapide-production.jpg

[Dac150]

Like the Aston and Bugatti.

[dimondpark]

I don't like all the hatchbacks. Not really a fan of those.

[M.K.]

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[ThreeHundred]

^ I much prefer Ford's 'open mouth' than Mazda's happy face.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2008/11/2010-Mazda3-Sedan.jpg

[M.K.]

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[ThreeHundred]

Top Gear Reviews the Tesla Roadster
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And my favorite Top Gear comparison ever.

Mercedes Grosser vs Rolls Royce Corniche
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