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mrskyline
09-21-2009, 08:49 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/21/news/economy/detroit_plan/index.htm



Stopping Detroit's brain drain
The city is pushing for new businesses, arts and a revitalized downtown to keep young people in this hard-hit town.


DETROIT (CNNMoney.com) -- Three years ago, with a freshly-minted law degree, Connecticut native Tom Northrop started job hunting in Detroit.

While this seems like a normal step after law school, his prospective employers just didn't get it. Not many young, single, educated people were moving to Detroit.

They were so surprised they wanted him to put his reasoning down on paper: He was marrying a girl from the area. Perhaps it was only to ease their sense of disbelief.

"They didn't understand people coming here who aren't from here," said his wife Lauren, also a lawyer, over dinner one night at the couple's home in the upscale suburb of Bloomfield. Basically, no one moves to Detroit unless they have family ties in the area, she said.

And more often that not, young people just move away.

Along with the exodus of auto jobs over the last few decades, Detroit has also experienced another, maybe even more alarming trend - Its young, smart people leaving for opportunities elsewhere.
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Broad numbers are difficult to come by, but nearly a quarter of respondents in a survey for Fusion, the area's young professional association, said they plan on leaving Detroit within the next two years.

Among the larger population of 4.6 million people, 63,000 households left the greater Detroit area in 2007 alone, according to Internal Revenue Service numbers supplied by the Urban Studies Department at Wayne State University.

City leaders are well aware of this problem, and are working hard to fix it.

As it turns out, young people generally want the same things other people want out of a city - good jobs, safe streets, stuff to do at night, decent schools, quality healthcare, ample parks, easy public transport. Basically, they want a pleasant life.

"We can't just create new entrepreneurs and then let them leave," said Mariam Noland, president of the Community Foundation for Southeast Michigan. "We need to do all the things that are going to attract new talent and make this a desirable place to live in, or to come to. We have to make it so people want to stay."

To that end, Noland raised $100 million in grant money from various foundations, money that is now being used to build the business and cultural institutions that can bring this city back.

That's a tough prospect in an area hard hit by the dual blow of recession and auto industry bankruptcy. But Nolan, along with a host of other city leaders, see the broad outlines of a plan.

Jobs - In a metro area with unemployment running about 50% higher than the national average, putting people to work is a priority.

Many business leaders don't think the city can attract big, new auto manufacturing plants like it once did. The industry has too much capacity even now, and the competition is too tough from other states in the South.

Instead, they're pushing for Detroit to embrace the new economy. The tools are similar to ones towns use the world over - minimal bureaucracy and generous tax breaks.

But Detroit hopes to leverage its natural lead in engineering left over from its days of auto dominance into new industries like automotive electronics, software, and alternative energy.

They've had some success. Techtown, a business incubator started in 2000, boasts 98 businesses in everything from televisions to biotechnology.

Wayne County is promoting its "aerotropolis" idea - encouraging business to set up shop by the airport - taking the lead from cities like Dubai and Frankfurt that have used their airports as engines for economic growth.

Attracted by easy air transport and lots of land, General Electric recently announced plans to build a wind power R&D facility near the airport that could bring in 1200 jobs. General Motors and the battery maker A123 Systems have announced plants for advanced vehicles that together could employ 4,000 or 5,000 people - the size of a large auto plant.

The local Chamber of Commerce is in talks with foreign automakers and parts companies to set up shop in Detroit. It's also pushing a plan to make the region a global trade hub, modernizing the extensive road, rail and water links that already exist.

Downtown Detroit, which doesn't look nearly as dreary as the ring surrounding it, has attracted some new tenants as well.

The technology firm EDS relocated downtown about 5 years ago, bringing with it some 1,500 jobs. Quicken Loans is supposed to move downtown shortly, adding another 3,000 to 4,000 employees.

'It's challenging, and it's frustrating," Brian Holdwick, a 43-year old official at the Detroit Economic Growth Corporation and life-long Detroiter, said about trying to attract new industries to this city that has seen so much decline. "But to see something like the (historic) Book Cadillac Hotel come back to life, after being shuttered for 23 years, it was very important to me. It's very rewarding."

Safety - Detroit has one of the highest murder rates in the nation. There have been more killings so far this year in Detroit than in New York City, and New York has nearly 10 times as many people.

"People get jumped, cars get stolen, everyone's got a story," said Sean Blackman, a 39-year old music composer who's lived in the Detroit area his whole life. "If you move downtown, it's just part of the scene."

Like almost all Detroiters we've spoken to, Blackman loves the city and is proud to live there. But it has got to get safer if people are going to stick around, he said.

The police department has embarked on an aggressive strategy to curb the situation, including inter-agency operations that flood troubled neighborhoods with more cops.

A recent campaign put 360 additional police in a six square mile area, with a particular focus on violent crime. Officers would pay unexpected home visits to violent offenders on parole, often finding guns or other weapons in their possession. They also increased the number of traffic stops in the hope of ensnaring people involved in bigger crimes.

But in a city with a declining population and troubled businesses, finding money is hard. The police force has just 3,000 officers now, down from 4,000 ten years ago.

Culture - From Motown to movie stars, Detroit packs a deep roster when it comes to arts and entertainment. Madonna is from Detroit. As is Francis Ford Coppola, Robin Williams, and the late George C. Scott.

Cheap rents and an edgy vibe have made Detroit somewhat of a Mecca for young musicians in the garage rock and techno scenes, and a lot of people appreciate the city's gritty feel.

"The disgusting kinda looks beautiful after a while," Craig Brown, a 25-year old guitarist in the local band the Sugarcoats, said over beers one night at a barbecue joint in the city's up-and-coming Corktown district.

City leaders are also trying to promote more upscale venues. They're touting a "cultural corridor," a strip along one of the main drags in town that includes Wayne State University, the business incubator, two health centers, the symphony, the history museum, and loft-style apartment housing.

"We're trying to create a density that's attractive to young talent," said Noland, the Community Foundation president.

Connecting it all together - Detroit's redevelopment has taken place in pockets. The city is a patchwork of places. Some seem lively, full of businesses and homes. While others are the epitome of urban decay.

Parts of downtown Detroit seem to be doing well. They are relatively clean, with a nice new river walk populated with both old and new office buildings, although vacant buildings remain. One local tour operator said it's one of the safest downtowns in the country.

Development is trying to expand from downtown along the river, although the new restaurants, lofts, shops and other symbols of gentrification quickly give way to gutted homes and boarded-up store fronts.

The "cultural corridor" and the Eastern Market area - home to one of the oldest public markets in the country as well as a handful of trendy restaurants, are northwest of downtown.

The trick is to grow and connect these lively places so they spark new life in the areas they border.

To do that Detroit needs to shrink. Thanks to suburban flight of the late 20th century, it's a city of under a million people that was built to accommodate twice that many. The city needs to do something with all those empty buildings, and tie the budding neighborhoods together. There's talk of turning blighted lots into public parks, greenways, and of installing a light rail system.

"When you let it go, as Detroit did, you have cascading ripples of blight that move out from the center and keep going," said Carol Schatz, head of the Central City Association of Los Angeles who helped turn around that city's downtown in the 1990s. "But when you revitalize the downtown, it goes in the opposite direction."

The question is, will Detroit be able to get the critical mass going to get things really moving in the opposite direction? To top of page
First Published: September 21, 2009: 8:59 AM ET

Strange Meat
09-21-2009, 10:10 PM
i really have no idea how they'd do this. from my perspective, i want a place with nice weather (or, where it's sunny for at least 60% of the year), nice scenery (i.e mountains, ocean, etc), outdoor activities, a city that is young, vibrant, and all of that.

detroit (and that whole region) seems to have it's work cut out for it.

sentinel
09-21-2009, 10:15 PM
i really have no idea how they'd do this. from my perspective, i want a place with nice weather (or, where it's sunny for at least 60% of the year), nice scenery (i.e mountains, ocean, etc), outdoor activities, a city that is young, vibrant, and all of that.

detroit (and that whole region) seems to have it's work cut out for it.

Uh, what 'region' are you referring to? The state of Michigan?

Steely Dan
09-21-2009, 10:16 PM
i really have no idea how they'd do this. from my perspective, i want a place with nice weather (or, where it's sunny for at least 60% of the year), nice scenery (i.e mountains, ocean, etc), outdoor activities, a city that is young, vibrant, and all of that.


that's great that you know what you like, but you don't represent all 6 billion humans of planet earth; you're just one dude. just because detroit doesn't offer what you're looking for doesn't mean that it can't be an attractive place to people who aren't you.

chicago has neither the climate nor the scenery that you claim to need, yet it has managed to reinvented itself into a vibrant city that attracts young adults from around the country, and even the world at large. detroit certainly has it's work cut out for it, but it's not doomed to failure just because mountain-loving sun-worshipers such as yourself would never consider living there. people like you aren't even on detroit's radar screen because there is nothing detroit can do about it's geographic placement. the question detroit needs to answer isn't "how do we make our city more attractive so that snodrifter will move here?", rather it's a question of "how do we fix our broken city so that we can create a self-perpetuating circle of economic activity and reinvestment that will stabilize the city, and maybe even lead to new growth down the road?"

Strange Meat
09-21-2009, 11:17 PM
that's great that you know what you like, but you don't represent all 6 billion humans of planet earth; you're just one dude. just because detroit doesn't offer what you're looking for doesn't mean that it can't be an attractive place to people who aren't you.

chicago has neither the climate nor the scenery that you claim to need, yet it has managed to reinvented itself into a vibrant city that attracts young adults from around the country, and even the world at large. detroit certainly has it's work cut out for it, but it's not doomed to failure just because mountain-loving sun-worshipers such as yourself would never consider living there. people like you aren't even on detroit's radar screen because there is nothing detroit can do about it's geographic placement. the question detroit needs to answer isn't "how do we make our city more attractive so that snodrifter will move here?", rather it's a question of "how do we fix our broken city so that we can create a self-perpetuating circle of economic activity and reinvestment that will stabilize the city, and maybe even lead to new growth down the road?"

yeah, i understand that. i think what detroit (and other places in the rust belt; the region i was talking about) needs to do is try and draw from smaller communities within the region. of course, it has to compete with chicago, which is certainly a tall order.

of course, it's also got a tall order in competing with other large cities which are typically viewed as more desirable for the creative class. obviously the geography and climate are fixed, so how does one go about changing the human variables that help to make a place more or less attractive. perhaps they need to set their sights a little bit lower at first, and then build upon that. i can't imagine this changing within 5-10 years for them. i mean, when you talk about stopping a brain drain, essentially that is stating that you want to attract the creative class, and, all indications are that detroit just isn't the place. perhaps families, immigrants, etc, could be more of a focus? build an inexpensive workforce to pad population and the economy, and see what happens. there are obviously a lot of issues that detroit has to work through.

213
09-22-2009, 12:45 AM
The question is, will Detroit be able to get the critical mass going to get things really moving in the opposite direction?

My answer is "Likely not," unless the region (Metro Detroit) is able to address its challenges somewhat more holistically. Apart from new programs, budding arts communities and renewed civic awareness (none of which have ever really been lacking), there must also be a basic shift in longstanding cultural dynamics. So long as issues of race, fear and civic corruption have a place at the table, they shall continue to veto any progress the city may strive for.

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Qubert
09-22-2009, 05:55 AM
With the way things are now, it's all about Jobs more than anything else. Let's be real, outside of the rock scene, Detroit has zero catchet w/ regards to coolness. To be quite frank, cities are like people, and we all know how much we cannot stand people who try too hard. I think this is going to end up being another attempt to be "Cool" and hence trying too hard.

hudkina
09-22-2009, 07:43 AM
Detroit is a lot "cooler" than you think, and certainly "cooler" than many of the cities that exploded in the last 30 yeas or so. While it certainly doesn't have the "skinny-jean" starbucks crowd that is attracted to cities like Seattle, it really doesn't need them. In fact, the only cities that seem to try too hard are the fast-growing cities like Charlotte, Austin, Las Vegas, etc.

Also Detroit has a very unique dichotomy that few other cities have. You have the "city" of 900,000 with the crime, abandonment, poverty, unemployment, etc. that the area is known for and you have the "suburbs" of 3+ million which are some of the better-off suburbs in the country (though the recession has knocked them down a few notches).

Also, when I say suburbs, I'm not talking about cookie-cutter subdivisions that you find in cities like Dallas or Atlanta. While you'll find the cookie-cutter subdivisions, a huge chunk of Detroit's suburbs were developed in the pre-war to early post-war era. Most suburbs have 100+ year-old urban districts that rival many of the urban neighborhoods you'd in traditional city cores.

For example, these are the types of neighborhoods that young professionals are attracted to and do tend to migrate to in Metro Detroit. While in most cities, these neighborhoods tend to be in the older, historic core, with Detroit the most popular neighborhoods tend to be in the areas outside of the central city.
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I'm sure few people picture these neighborhoods when they imagine Detroit, but they do exist here just as they exist in any major city. They're just not where people would expect them.

The biggest problem with retaining talent is the lack of high-paying professional jobs and the perception people have of the city. I think by fixing the first, the second will fall in place. Contrary to what many think, people go to where the jobs are located. As Detroit continues to add more jobs in the alternative energy, research, and advanced manufacturing fields it will see fewer and fewer of those brains head off to other cities.

Jeeper
09-22-2009, 12:33 PM
Poor Detroit. At best people around the country see it as a city struggling on life support. At worst they see it as some post-apocalyptic shit hole full of crime, potholes, and abandoned factories and warehouses. She is the poster child for industrial bust. I imagine it would take at least a decade of heavy investment and smart planning before this image is changed and people see the city as a place worth moving to again. The city has too much going for it for it not to rebound, as long as the leadership plots the right course for it, but from what I've read on Detroit's local politics, this isn't a given by any measure.

novawolverine
09-22-2009, 02:15 PM
I'm glad that more focus is being put into substantive, productive growth in good fields rather than tourism and trying to market the city a certain way. Perception will almost always lag reality and while attracting the artists and musicians is good, they're not the most productive professions. I think a tougher stance on crime is good but a lot of it will take care of itself as the city gentrifies and more educated people move in and change the neighborhoods.

It is about jobs though, so preserving what capital the region has and using it to spur some future development is a great thing. I think it's also good that staples like education and healthcare are being focused on too.

It's not going to be easy or rapid, but I think in the long-run, Detroit will benefit. I know there's are a lot of negative opinions on how the southern states have been doing business, but Michigan and Detroit will be more competitive now. Getting the right leaders is important, getting leaders who are substance over style is important.

Strange Meat
09-22-2009, 04:17 PM
The biggest problem with retaining talent is the lack of high-paying professional jobs and the perception people have of the city. I think by fixing the first, the second will fall in place. Contrary to what many think, people go to where the jobs are located. As Detroit continues to add more jobs in the alternative energy, research, and advanced manufacturing fields it will see fewer and fewer of those brains head off to other cities.

and the problem with that is that employers are likely to want to move to a place where they know they wont have trouble attracting the best talent available. if people are hesitant to move to detroit, or the rust belt, then as long as that's the case, the jobs will be hard to come by...

hudkina
09-22-2009, 05:30 PM
The "rust belt" is a perception thing. There are plenty of popular cities that have supposedly "worse" weather than Detroit. Chicago, Toronto, Seattle, Boston, Minneapolis, etc. could all be argued to have "worse" weather. Also, contrary to what many sunbelters think, there are quite a few people who have no interest in living in a city that requires air conditioning for six months out of the year. There are plenty of people who prefer all four seasons.

Also, Detroit isn't necessarily like the other rust belt cities (Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Youngstown, Flint, etc.). While Metro Cleveland and Pittsburgh have been losing people since the 70's, Metro Detroit's population up until the last three or four years has never been higher than it is now. While it lost population in the 70's and 80's, it saw a relatively robust economy in the 90's that erased virtually all of the loss from the 70's and 80's. And whily the late 00's have seen a major downturn, I'm willing to bet the 2010's will be more like the 90's and less like the 70's and 80's.

Also, businesses are attracted to low taxes and corporate welfare. There's a reason why Michigan has become the newest hotspot for the film industry; weather and perception have nothing to do with it. As Michigan continues to make the state more attractive to alternative energy and advanced manufacturing businesses the jobs will become available and the young, educated people will stay. Often times, the people who do leave, aren't leaving because they want to leave. They're leaving because they can't get the job they want.

Also, while many people think the domestic auto industry is in a death spiral, it will bounce back, and while it will never see the jobs it saw in its heyday, there will be plently of engineering and other white collar jobs that will come as the likes of Ford and GM complete their turnarounds.

shanthemanatl
09-22-2009, 06:32 PM
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mhays
09-22-2009, 08:19 PM
I agree, a lot of people would see Seattle's weather as worse. But for those of us who like mild/cloudy weather, there are only two US cities, Seattle and Portland, so in-migration is concentrated. One hurdle for the Midwest is that many cities have similar weather, so migration to that zone disperses more.

Detroit has some good routes to prosperity. The US-Canada connection is one. Availability of land is another (though soil contamination is a massive hurdle). Availability of a large workforce might be the biggest asset. I still think part of the solution is to turn the most bombed-out areas into nature or horticulture, basically converting a big turn-off into an asset.

213
09-22-2009, 09:46 PM
I think that "rust belt" was meant as a geographical and socio-economic reference, not necessarily a judgment of the weather.

Royal Oak and Birmingham (among others) are certainly showcase communities, but their value to Detroit's national and global image is debatable. Few people define Los Angeles by its association with Glendale or Pasadena. To be a truly dynamic, competitive region, Metro Detroit's first and best asset must be Detroit. Comerica Bank and Volkswagen of America did not relocate for want of suburban amenities.

While tax abatements and other incentives are not ineffective tools, they are not, in themselves, game changers. Detroit's 25-year record of application demonstrates this. Unless other fundamentals are in the package -- good government, good cityscape, reasonably good schools -- such programs are too often of fleeting benefit at best, or even of detriment.

Please don't get me wrong. I'm not anti-Detroit -- quite the contrary. I do hope that the auto industry "bounces back." I do hope that the media and tech sectors will bring significant, sustainable growth. But these are the same hopes, born of largely the same strategies and assumptions, as were prevalent in the '80s. What is Metro Detroit doing differently this time? (Not a rhetorical question.)

jodelli
09-23-2009, 02:19 AM
There is one factor that one person touched on that is huge in Detroit. Its border crossings handle some of the highest volume export trade in the United States.

http://www.trade.gov/press/publications/newsletters/ita_0208/metrodata_0208.asp

It's not going to shrivel up barring some southern dixiecrat senators throwing up new tariff barriers, just like Smoot Hawley in 1929 which didn't cause the depression but almost certainly made it worse.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/GreatDepression.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot-Hawley_Tariff_Act

novawolverine
09-23-2009, 02:31 AM
Why would southern dixiecrat senators be in favor of protective tariffs?

hudkina
09-23-2009, 05:52 AM
Comerica left solely due to "low taxes and corporate welfare". Volkswagen moved because it can't sell cars in the U.S. and blamed Detroit for this. I'm guessing in reality it also moved due to "low taxes and corporate welfare".

There's a reason why GE is building a major alternative energy research park in Detroit or why several movie studios are being built in Detroit or why the nation's largest solar panel/battery research facility is planned for Detroit. The reason is because Michigan is offering HUGE tax incentives for those businesses.

Most people think of Detroit as an industrial has-been relying on unskilled auto assembly jobs, but in reality that era of Detroit ended in the 70's and 80's. Today there are far more people in the region employed in research, design, engineering, and other high tech automotive areas than in manufacturing. And they're not just working for the Big 3. Toyota, Hyundai, and Nissan and many other foreign auto companies and suppliers have major technical and R&D centers in the Detroit area. In fact Detroit has one of the largest concentration of engineering jobs in the country.

During the 90's, Detroit had one of the healthier economies in the nation. It had one of the best income to cost of living rations in the nation and compared to many other rust belt cities it was growing at a rather steady pace. Up until 9/11 Metro Detroit was in a relatively strong position. During the post-9/11 recession the region started to hit a few snags. As the country started losing manufacturing jobs to foreign nations the regional economy started to slow. Then the high-gas prices hit hard at the bread and butter trucks produced by the Big 3. If that wasn't enough the country delved into its biggest economic downturn since the Depression and people stopped buying cars, ESPECIALLY large trucks and SUVs.

Now that we're coming out of the recession and people are beginning to buy more cars, the auto industry will perk back up. Already GM is bringing back thousands of people to make up for the increased demand. But the state has known that it desperately needs to diversify its portfolio. One of the biggest things it has done is create huge tax incentives for alternative energy and other high tech research. It's relatively easy to convert automotive engineers to solar panel engineers or autoworkers to wind turbine manufacturers. And the incentives and programs the state is offering are clearly paying off. It's hard for Michigan to compete with Georgia and Texas when it comes to office jobs, but when it comes to advanced manufacturing and other high tech industries, Michigan is always at the top of the list of many prospective businesses.

ChiMIchael
09-23-2009, 01:43 PM
They should ask the same for Ohio. I don't how many domesticated Ohio State alumni leave for the south as soon as they graduate. It's really sad. They scream "Ohio State, Ohio Pride," and they don't even like Ohio.

novawolverine
09-23-2009, 01:59 PM
VW left in part to a better business climate, but the DC area is one of the areas that they do well in from a sales perspective. Even with the cluster of talent in Michigan, I don't think it hurts to have your HQ closer to your customers.

I'm glad Michigan is getting into a little bit of corporate welfare. If you're scratching and clawing your way back up, you have to give up something in reality. Southern states didn't come to prosper they way they are by being a more expensive, more regulated place to do business. Having the talent helps Michigan, but I'm glad they're providing the tax incentives and regulatory environment that's more friendly to businesses. I do hope, and I'm not worried, that it stays a place with some pro-labor voices.

I think places that can somehow come around to funding more capital intensive development will benefit more in the future and places like the Detroit area have a lot of the heavy industrial capability still will do better.

jodelli
09-23-2009, 04:53 PM
Why would southern dixiecrat senators be in favor of protective tariffs?

Yeah, I guess southerners are traditionally free traders. Please excuse my ignorance of who's who in American politics.

But the climate is ripe for protectionism.



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