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Cambridgite
Oct 17, 2009, 1:32 AM
UWO student can't recall violent arrest

Last Updated: Friday, October 16, 2009 | 3:02 PM ET
The Canadian Press



A student said to have been out of control and delusional before he was beaten by police during a violent arrest at the University of Western Ontario doesn't remember what happened, his father said Friday.

Merzuk Zeljkovic said he was unable to explain what had sparked the incident involving his son Irnes, which was captured on video and viewed by tens of thousands on the internet.

"I don't know what's happened," his father told The Canadian Press. "Irnes [does not] remember. I'm upset."

Irnes Zeljkovic, 22, visited the family doctor Friday and plans to talk to a lawyer, his father said.

The video shows several officers pummelling the student in a London campus building hallway, prompting a wide range of reaction — from severe criticism that excessive force was used, to support for the police action.

During the 90-second clip, police are seen kneeing the student aggressively in the torso, repeatedly beating him on the back with batons and punching him.

Shocked and tired

His mother, who asked that her name not be used, said her son was "still shocked" and tired, and just wanted to sleep.

She also said she had no idea what prompted the incident, saying she was waiting until he was in better shape to try to figure out what had happened.

"I don't know, really. All of us are all so shocked. I have no idea," she said in a phone interview. "We just need time."

She said her son had some injuries from the arrest, but she couldn't describe them.

"I can't talk now. I'm sorry. I'm so stressed and shaking," she said.

Elgin Austen, director of campus police, said his officers were initially called after a delusional student, believing himself to be a professor, barged into an eighth-floor office and tried to evict its occupant.

"He thought he was somebody else. He didn't recognize his position or where he was — he thought he was a professor at Western and he named a professor," Austen said in an interview.

Student 'resisted arrest'

The 220-pound fourth-year student was "hyped up" and resisted arrest and efforts to calm him before city police, who arrived within minutes, used force to subdue him, said Austen, a former deputy chief of operations at London police.

Police said they had no prior contact with Zeljkovic.

"He must have been a good student or we would have had contact with him and we haven't," Austen said, adding this was the worst such incident he had seen in more than six years as campus police head.

"Something has happened more recently in his life to create this situation."

Toxicology tests were being done to see whether the student was under the influence of drugs, although alcohol was not involved, police said.

Despite criticism from some who had viewed the video, Austen said it's not surprising some viewers would have misinterpreted what they saw.

"Once they hit YouTube and other areas like that, the thing takes off and has a life of its own," Austen said.

"People judge based on what they saw, and some people at least become instant experts."

He said the crowd of people who witnessed the arrest first-hand did not interfere with police.

Police are completing their investigation, reviewing the use of force and making counselling available to those affected, including Zeljkovic and his family.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/10/16/uwo-beating.html



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17mj553jzhM

manny_santos
Oct 17, 2009, 2:13 AM
I'm a Western student, and although my opinion isn't popular among the other students, I think the police may have done the right thing and we shouldn't be too quick to condemn them. Although there is a short video showing the beating, the video does not capture any of what led to it. Reports have suggested he was on drugs, and I believe some drugs cause people to be stronger than they would be normally.

There needs to be an investigation. I would like to believe the police were too brutal and that one of my fellow students is a victim, but I just can't convince myself the police were out of line. An investigation will answer some questions.

Unfortunately, from my experience with people in my age group, there is an intense dislike for authority figures and following orders. Not surprisingly, flyers were being handed out today encouraging students to rally against the police who are apparently "not there to serve and protect". They have never seen real police brutality, and I find it shameful several students have compared this to Rodney King in their Youtube comments. These are university students who should be learning to look at both sides of an issue, but so many of them are very quick to take one side without even looking at any facts. They seem to want no police, do they really want anarchy?

I'm proud to be part of a university where the police protect the students from delusional people like this. Sure, beating isn't "nice", but I'd rather have this happen than a drugged up maniac beating up other students.

SpongeG
Oct 17, 2009, 4:07 AM
students will protest anything they feel entitled

drugs make people do stupid things - like that guy who got tasered at coachella or any other number of incidents

should the police just let the guy do harm to himself and others? is that what the students want to protest?

if someone got hurt by him they would be protesting - why weren't the police there? my friend got touched by him - she was violated and there were no police around - I don't feel safe on campus anymore

people need to step back and fight real issues

NetMapel
Oct 17, 2009, 4:28 AM
As an alumni of Western, I'm not surprised the students are against the police in this one. However, I will also agree with the previous poster from Western that I know how rowdy we students can get. If he's got some drug/alcohol influence, he's definitely not going to behave and need to be controlled.

SpongeG
Oct 17, 2009, 5:54 AM
western - isn't that an omellete?

The Jabroni
Oct 17, 2009, 6:40 AM
I'm a Western student, and although my opinion isn't popular among the other students, I think the police may have done the right thing and we shouldn't be too quick to condemn them. Although there is a short video showing the beating, the video does not capture any of what led to it. Reports have suggested he was on drugs, and I believe some drugs cause people to be stronger than they would be normally.

There needs to be an investigation. I would like to believe the police were too brutal and that one of my fellow students is a victim, but I just can't convince myself the police were out of line. An investigation will answer some questions.

Unfortunately, from my experience with people in my age group, there is an intense dislike for authority figures and following orders. Not surprisingly, flyers were being handed out today encouraging students to rally against the police who are apparently "not there to serve and protect". They have never seen real police brutality, and I find it shameful several students have compared this to Rodney King in their Youtube comments. These are university students who should be learning to look at both sides of an issue, but so many of them are very quick to take one side without even looking at any facts. They seem to want no police, do they really want anarchy?

I'm proud to be part of a university where the police protect the students from delusional people like this. Sure, beating isn't "nice", but I'd rather have this happen than a drugged up maniac beating up other students.

As a student myself (not in UWO), I agree.

People around our age group (late teens to mid 20s) would believe what they see on YouTube without the full context of the situation at hand. It's sad really, and yet, people like you deserve credit on questioning what the actual situation was. Until the rozzers complete their investigation, we'll have these people saying "F*** the police!" or "police brutality! Fight back!" etc. etc.

I don't know what the student body of UWO is like, but I'm sure similar student bodies in other schools would feel the same way for the suspect/"victim" from witnessing that ordeal.

I'd let the cops do their job and see how and why that guy got into that situation the first place. Until then, we'll have to carry on with our lives.

Cambridgite
Oct 18, 2009, 4:06 AM
As a student myself (not in UWO), I agree.

People around our age group (late teens to mid 20s) would believe what they see on YouTube without the full context of the situation at hand. It's sad really, and yet, people like you deserve credit on questioning what the actual situation was. Until the rozzers complete their investigation, we'll have these people saying "F*** the police!" or "police brutality! Fight back!" etc. etc.

I don't know what the student body of UWO is like, but I'm sure similar student bodies in other schools would feel the same way for the suspect/"victim" from witnessing that ordeal.

True. Cops are seen as evil and corrupt in pop culture a lot of the time. I will say though, the guy must have been putting up quite a fight if 5 or 6 cops couldn't cuff him without having to punch/knee him into submission.

The Jabroni
Oct 18, 2009, 8:02 AM
True. Cops are seen as evil and corrupt in pop culture a lot of the time. I will say though, the guy must have been putting up quite a fight if 5 or 6 cops couldn't cuff him without having to punch/knee him into submission.

Yes, and with that in mind, there comes the question on how they're doing their job, seeing if and how they're restraining the suspect in a proper, yet appropriate way of using force in a certain situation. That sort of thing gets easily taken out of context far too many times.

SlickFranky
Oct 19, 2009, 5:48 AM
IF I'm ever hopped up, going nuts, and resisting arrest, I hereby give the local authorities permission to knee me in the back, and whack me with a baton until I can be managed safely. They even have permission to taser me if deemed necessary. I'd rather they injure me than allow me to injure an innocent civilian, or an officer.

Luckily I'm not likely to ever be in that situation. Buddhists are jealous of my temperament, and I would be shocked if it took more than 2 people to bring me down safely. But there's my permission in writing, just in case.

Metro-One
Oct 19, 2009, 6:13 AM
I agree with you guys. I hate how people fail t look at the entire situation. But from going university I have learned that most students are sheep so I am not surprised they are protesting this. I also hate how the media always only reports half the story as well.

vid
Oct 19, 2009, 3:48 PM
They should have tazed him, bro.

RTA
Oct 19, 2009, 5:22 PM
I'd rather see incidents like this questioned thoroughly by the public, than see them go unchecked and unquestioned, regardless of who ends up being in the right or in the wrong.

Metro-One
Oct 19, 2009, 11:59 PM
Yes, questioning is good, but the majority of the students will call out the police as guilty before proven innocent.

manny_santos
Oct 20, 2009, 2:11 AM
Yes, questioning is good, but the majority of the students will call out the police as guilty before proven innocent.

Not surprisingly, there is supposed to be a rally on campus in support of this guy, I don't know what day though. This guy is Bosnian, and some of London's Bosnian community is rallying behind him.

Calgarian
Oct 20, 2009, 3:36 AM
Just the media sensationalizing another non story. The guy was resisting, and police are allowed to use force to restrain and arrest a suspect.

Metro-One
Oct 20, 2009, 5:39 AM
count down the days before it is spun into a prejudice issue against Bosnians. I hate it when people support someone just because they are the same race, nationality, etc... without critically looking at the situation.

people are sheep!

manny_santos
Oct 20, 2009, 4:32 PM
count down the days before it is spun into a prejudice issue against Bosnians. I hate it when people support someone just because they are the same race, nationality, etc... without critically looking at the situation.

people are sheep!

I know eh, one person I know at Western is Bosnian and she's supporting the guy just because he's Bosnian.

I didn't make the comment, but if the guy was French Canadian I wouldn't be automatically supporting him.



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