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SpongeG
10-20-2009, 11:59 PM
Canada's broadband network panned in Harvard study

Shaw Communication’s high-speed Nitro Internet service was announced Thursday for customers in Vancouver, Calgary and Edmonton, but the $149-a-month feature is unlikely to lift Canada’s dismal rating in a Harvard study on broadband connectivity.

In what could be seen as unfortunate timing for the marketing of Shaw’s new premium-priced service, Canada came under fire for broadband service that combines slower speeds and higher prices than in many other countries.

“The highest prices for the lowest speeds are overwhelmingly offered by firms in the United States and Canada, all of which inhabit markets structured around ‘inter-modal’ competition — that is, competition between one incumbent owning a telephone system, and one incumbent owning a cable system,” said the report.

It was done by Harvard’s Berkman Center for Internet and Society, and was commissioned by the U.S. Federal Communications Commission. “The lowest prices and highest speeds are almost all offered by firms in markets where, in addition to an incumbent telephone company and a cable company, there are also competitors who entered the market, and built their presence, through use of open access facilities.”

The study ranked countries according to a number of measures, including broadband adoption, network capacity and speed and prices. Canada ranked 16th out of 30 countries in broadband penetration; for price-per-megabit-per-second, Canada ranked 21 out of 30 in the average monthly price for low speed tier, 23 for medium tier and second to last, ahead of the Slovak Republic, for high speed tier service. France enjoys the best average prices.

“As with speed and entry-level prices however, Canada’s performance merits caution when observing its policies,” the report said. “While penetration there is high, not only is speed lower, but prices too are high in every tier of service.”

Against that backdrop, Shaw introduced a 100-megabit-per-second Nitro service for Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver, expanding on a launch earlier this year in Saskatoon, Victoria and Winnipeg. At $149 a month when bundled with other Shaw services and including a modem rental, the offering was panned by John Lawford, counsel for the Public Interest Advocacy Centre, as being ‘astronomical,’ and far higher than in other countries.

“The main point of that FCC report is that the price to speed ratio in Canada is the worst,” he said. “Especially in terms of what we are paying per megabyte, it is not impressive. It is much better in Japan and South Korea.”

Lawford said even what is considered the high end of the speed scale in Canada is becoming average in other markets. “We are stuck in a situation with basically two routes in, cable and the incumbent phone line,” he said. “Unless that is open to competition there is no short-term fix for this.”

The study follows an earlier one from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development that also found Canada to be trailing in broadband compared to other countries, a study that prompted a consortium of seven major ISPs, including Bell, Rogers, Telus and Shaw to commission their own report that criticized the methodology used. The Harvard report also cited findings from the OECD study.

“One of our concerns really was that a lot of the studies that seemed to grab the headlines have some really questionable methodology behind them,” Mark Goldberg, a telecommunications consultant and one of the lead authors of the report for Canada’s major ISPs, said in an interview. Following the release of the Harvard report, Goldberg wrote on his blog that the latest report shared some of the same problems. “Preliminary examination seems to indicate that many of the Harvard rankings appear to incorporate the same problematic data points from reports and measurement tools that we have already discussed, but I will reserve commentary until I have an opportunity for a more complete review.”

gshaw@vancouversun.com

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Canada+broadband+network+panned+Harvard+study/2108633/story.html

Wooster
10-21-2009, 12:44 AM
Pretty much all communications services in Canada are overpriced and underdeliver. Just compare a cell phone plan to one in the states.

MolsonExport
10-21-2009, 04:39 PM
add this to the very lengthy list of reasons why Tellus, Bell, and Rogers fucking suck.

habfanman
10-21-2009, 05:47 PM
Internet, cable, wireless.. they suck tremendously, but nothing sucks more than our banks.

Our banks really suck!

rrskylar
10-21-2009, 06:07 PM
add this to the very lengthy list of reasons why Tellus, Bell, and Rogers fucking suck.

What the wireless operators have in Canada would be called collusion anywhere else, to top it off they were practically kicking and screaming when the govt, proposed opening up wireless to encourage more providers.

matt602
10-21-2009, 10:04 PM
This UBB bull that Bell is nudging the CRTC to get pushed along is going to set this country back even farther. Higher caps, lower speeds, higher prices. Yah. Paying more for less is definitely fair.

Yume-sama
10-21-2009, 10:16 PM
Haven't we had Nitro for awhile? I've been paying that much for awhile... :P

Been enjoying downloading at 2MB/second, too. I still remember when I had Telus a couple of years ago and thought 500kb/second was fast...

jmt18325
10-21-2009, 10:35 PM
Internet, cable, wireless.. they suck tremendously, but nothing sucks more than our banks.

Our banks really suck!

Yeah, it's terrible having banks that have been able to remain solvent and profitable while the world financial system collapsed around them.

Nicko999
10-22-2009, 01:14 AM
Internet, cable, wireless.. they suck tremendously, but nothing sucks more than our banks.

Our banks really suck!

Our banks are really not that bad! They are actually one of the best in the World.

jmt18325
10-22-2009, 01:18 AM
Depending on how you look at things, they may actually rank as best. Canada has the most secure (as in not going bankrupt) banking system in the world.

MolsonExport
10-22-2009, 02:12 AM
canadian banks: good, if with faults
Canadian ISP's: suck shit on a stick, with fucking corn.

vid
10-22-2009, 02:18 AM
You haven't seen the best in Canadian banks until they sign you up for something you can't afford without your consent then charge you a fee for not being able to afford it, all while sending your personal information to a farmer in West Virginia! :)

MolsonExport
10-22-2009, 02:30 AM
oh yeah, well there is the cibc

giallo
10-22-2009, 02:48 AM
It took me leaving the country and traveling around the globe to realize just how terrible Canada's internet and cell phone providers are.
When you can get comparable service in a developing country for 1/7 the price, something is just not right.

vid
10-22-2009, 02:48 AM
The first part was actually referring to RBC. That happened to my mom last summer. Took a few hours of telephone tag to get her money back.

habfanman
10-22-2009, 03:52 AM
Depending on how you look at things, they may actually rank as best. Canada has the most secure (as in not going bankrupt) banking system in the world.

Oh yeah, Canadian banks are very highly rated by other bankers, but from a consumer point of view, they suck.

Charging customers to withdraw their own money out of their own account is a concept that must make banks in other countries drool with envy. Debit card transaction fees, 19% credit card interest, 40$ NSF charges, 2$ to use other bank ATM's, nickel and dime service charges for virtually everything imaginable.. I recently pushed the wrong button at a bank machine and out popped a little list of transactions. Charge: .75. That's reasonable! I can buy a coffee in Uzbekistan with my debit card and whoooosh.. in .00000003 milliseconds my account is debited and the money is gone, but show up at my branch with a cheque from a reputable source (let's say a university) or ask them to reverse an error? Well, that may take 5-10 business days to verify.

All of our banks offer virtually the same services at the same rates, there's no real competition. Next time you're in another country, mention the fact that Canadian banks charge you to make a withdrawal. After the laughter dies down, tell them that you're serious!

jmt18325
10-22-2009, 03:55 AM
My bank doesn't charge me to make a withdrawal unless I'm withdrawing over $1K. I usually pay no service charges or credit card interest. You don't have to pay anything if you manage your money well.

Our banks are doing well. Other banks weren't and aren't doing so well and many aren't surviving.

vid
10-22-2009, 03:59 AM
RBC only charges for withdrawals if you use another bank's machine, in which case the other bank charges $1.50 and RBC charges $1.50 and if you do it more than once a month RBC charges another $3.00 for using the card too much. They're very particular about it.

SpongeG
10-22-2009, 04:15 AM
RBC only charges for withdrawals if you use another bank's machine, in which case the other bank charges $1.50 and RBC charges $1.50 and if you do it more than once a month RBC charges another $3.00 for using the card too much. They're very particular about it.

i love watching people buy 1 chocolate bar or 1 coke at the store and using their card - they pay more in fees than what they are buying is worth - just carry cash people! :rolleyes:

vid
10-22-2009, 04:23 AM
But cash is hard and it makes noises!!! :(:(:(

I bought some junk food in all nickels earlier. Damn things are getting as bad as pennies now. I had 57 of them!

habfanman
10-22-2009, 04:25 AM
My bank doesn't charge me to make a withdrawal unless I'm withdrawing over $1K. I usually pay no service charges or credit card interest. You don't have to pay anything if you manage your money well.

Our banks are doing well. Other banks weren't and aren't doing so well and many aren't surviving.

That's great for you but you do realise that many people aren't able to keep a few grand laying around in their account? People who manage their money the best they can but to whom the 'rich guy' benefits are not extended? They are the people who need the fee waivers the most yet they are the ones who are treated brutally the minute they slip up.

I'd love to see comparisons such as the Harvard one done for banks, cable/satellite and cell phones. I'm sure we'd finish at or near the bottom in those as well.

habfanman
10-22-2009, 04:31 AM
i love watching people buy 1 chocolate bar or 1 coke at the store and using their card - they pay more in fees than what they are buying is worth - just carry cash people! :rolleyes:

I love watching people withdraw 20$ multiple times from stand alone ATM's in bars. They can get hit with up to 3 charges and pay up to 25-30% on each transaction. We really should be teaching basic money management as early as grade 7 or 8.

vid
10-22-2009, 04:38 AM
It's funny that they don't teach that, because we learn how to calculate compounded interest in grade 10. :rolleyes:

I saw a guy at an RBC withdraw the maximum amount 5 or 6 times, and each time he went through the "you will be charged" screen. Then he stumbled to the casino. Sad.

harls
10-22-2009, 12:47 PM
Every pay I budget how much money I need, and take out that amount. I always use cash unless I absolutely have to use my debit card... you save quite a bit and don't have to worry about those ridiculous transaction fees.

I'm so cheap I'll look for my own bank's atm first before I use another, even if it means walking a few more blocks.

flar
10-22-2009, 12:53 PM
I'm so cheap I'll look for my own bank's atm first before I use another, even if it means walking a few more blocks.

I do that too

MolsonExport
10-22-2009, 01:16 PM
Every pay I budget how much money I need, and take out that amount. I always use cash unless I absolutely have to use my debit card... you save quite a bit and don't have to worry about those ridiculous transaction fees.

I'm so cheap I'll look for my own bank's atm first before I use another, even if it means walking a few more blocks.

Same thing here. And I always, always pay off my Visa cards in full to avoid interest charges (whilst ramping up the points).

jmt18325
10-23-2009, 01:40 AM
I pay almost everything with credit and I pay it off before I get charged any interest.

RTA
10-23-2009, 03:37 AM
^ This works even better if you have a card with no fees and offers cash back. They essentially pay you to use the card.

jmt18325
10-23-2009, 04:02 AM
That's exactly what I have.

1ajs
10-23-2009, 04:13 AM
our banks do suck ass try being on the sider sode of the planit and not being able to call them cause the number they say works i the country ur in does not work... while being broke cause they fucked up and someone els's car payents came out ur account and all their bills causing yea to have a neg ballance of 400$ in fees cause a swack of stuff bounces half way threw a month long trip :S thank good for friends in said country or i woulda been totaly screwed came back and had to fight with the bank maniger who for 2hrs befor they fixed it



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