[harryc]

An hour shooting the Conner Creek industrial area of Detroit (Nov 6 2009).

This set starts on the Northern edge of Detroit and heads S down Jefferson.

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Oprah Winfry ingores the calls of disabled homeless Vets ......
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10.
Continental Motors Dyno Cell Plant (http://silentbuildings.com/1029/continental-motors-dyno-cell-plant-detroit-mi/)
http://silentbuildings.com/1029/continental-motors-dyno-cell-plant-detroit-mi/
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20.
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The amount of vacant land - vacant for awhile - is astonding
Google Satelite (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Jefferson+%26+Gray,+detroit+mi&sll=42.364696,-82.977505&sspn=0.047119,0.077162&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=E+Jefferson+Ave+%26+Gray+St,+Detroit,+Wayne,+Michigan+48215&ll=42.373542,-82.95108&spn=0.003876,0.013733&t=h&z=17)

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Some nicely kept up houses in the midst of the wilderness
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Many Many burned out houses.
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30.
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Vacant lands turned into a nicely kept field.
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new construction - seemed so oddly out of place.
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40.
Still tree lined
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Detroit skyline.
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[Thundertubs]

We haven't had any Detroit neighborhood tours in a while. Raw stuff.

[hudkina]

I've never heard of Courner Creek. Are you sure you didn't mean Conners Creek?;)

[jfre81]

OMG OMG ITS SO RUN DOWN THIS IS A DEPLORABLE BUILT ENVIRON--

....oh sorry, I should've known what to expect. And I know even not all of Detroit is like this.

A little porn for grit lovers. Nice work.

[harryc]

I've never heard of Courner Creek. Are you sure you didn't mean Conners Creek?;)

Thx

[Tom In Chicago]

Nice pics Harry. . .

[Evergrey]

sobering

[flar]

Extreme grit

[Soku39]

Good lord...

[ue]

Wow, not the America that gets tossed 'round the world. I've only seen this bad of grit once before (I think it was on ssp!), and it too was Detroit, it was an ethnic neighborhood I think north of DT Det.

Great job at capturing the fabric of this area. It looks extremely intimidating...and interesting (this coming from an Albertan where the 'gritty' areas here pale in comparison, you probably wouldn't even classify it as grit when up against this).

Is this recent? There's absolutely no snow! Another 'wow' if it is, because I always thought Detroit was very cold (like Canadian cold :)).

[jodelli]

Wow, not the America that gets tossed 'round the world. I've only seen this bad of grit once before (I think it was on ssp!), and it too was Detroit, it was an ethnic neighborhood I think north of DT Det.

Great job at capturing the fabric of this area. It looks extremely intimidating...and interesting (this coming from an Albertan where the 'gritty' areas here pale in comparison, you probably wouldn't even classify it as grit when up against this).

It's not very intimidating, really. There's not a whole lot left north of Jefferson and east of Conner. There's infill between Jefferson and the river.

Is this recent? There's absolutely no snow! Another 'wow' if it is, because I always thought Detroit was very cold (like Canadian cold :)).

These pictures could have been taken as late as December but there's been snow on the ground for most of January. I live between 3 to 5 km from where most of these pictures were taken.

[harryc]

Is this recent? There's absolutely no snow! Another 'wow' if it is, because I always thought Detroit was very cold (like Canadian cold :)).

Not recent - Nov 6th

[hudkina]

edmontonenthusiast, don't you basically use that exact same quote in every Detroit grit thread?;)

[ue]

^uh no? i don't even remember the last time i posted in a detroit thread. i think i have mentioned the grit of the rust belt is interesting a few Xs though.

[LMich]

This is easily one of the most desolate parts of the city. It's really kind of strange, because this far-eastside neighborhood literally abuts the intact and wealthy Pointes suburbs.

I've gotten used to a lot of abandonment in the city; this area is really on another level. What's even more strange, though, is that the areas south of Jefferson look like a normal neighborhood, and directly across Connor to the west is a huge Chrysler plant and industrial area. You literally cross the street and the desolation north of Jefferson and east of Connor is amazing.

BTW, there is an attempt to do some revitalization, or should I say at least make the area more pleasant, in the area through the use of a greenway. Go check out the plan for the Connor Creek Greenway (http://www.greenwaycollab.com/CCGMP.htm).

overview

The Conner Creek Greenway is approximately eight miles long running from Maharas Park on the Detroit River to 8 Mile Road. It roughly follows the historic route of the Conner Creek, which now has been enclosed in storm sewers. The corridor passes through significant industrial and commercial developments.

The greenway will provide a key non-motorized link between numerous parks, cultural sites, recreation centers and neighborhoods. The challenges the project presented include working with extremely busy road corridors and industrial landscapes. The master plan includes recommendations for road reconfigurations and intersection improvements to safely move people along the greenway.

[hudkina]

Anyone want to guess where the border is between Grosse Pointe Park and Detroit?
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4017/4287588017_3de4462d8a_b.jpg

[niwell]

^When I was in Detroit last spring we drove through this area quite a bit. And of all we saw in the city the most shocking was the boundary between Detroit and Grosse Pointe Park. It's like night and day.

Post-industrial? More like post-apocalyptic. Interesting pictures though.

[stepper77]

That is both astonishing and sad. Thanks for sharing!

[holladay]

Thanks for posting this.

[Scottolini]

Some of those shots really remind me of the Wasteland in Fallout 3.

[peanut gallery]

It's silly I know, but I can't help feeling sorry for abandoned buildings like these. What was once a bustling factory, filled with people and sound and production, that was so important to so many is now just a long forgotten shell. Good thing they don't actually have feelings. Nice shots, Harry!

[ColDayMan]

You know I loves me my Detroitzzz!!!

[Crawford]

This neighborhood is more commonly called Jefferson/Chalmers, no?

It was German way back when, and there was once a sizable commercial center on Jefferson.

Haunting pics of one of of Detroit's most desolate hoods.

[Hayward]

First off harry, excellent photos. You went to areas few people ever do, and you provided snapshots of places that probably won't exist a few years down the road.

That whole part of the city is abysmal. I've spent quite a bit of time driving around these parts. Did you go inside Continental Motors? It's actually pretty cool in the interior.

That new construction surprises me. Detroit does alot of new housing construction in places where people are leaving. Does that make any sense? Only reason is because the land is cheap and they can get the runaround on certain ordinances and build two houses on 3 parcels. Seriously, my first advice to Detroit would be put a moratorium on new construction on nearly 50% of the city where nothing is happening.

It would at least let areas like this fade away to nothing so that all the city's energy and services can be directed to places where people actually live.

[hudkina]

They were planning on building that "Fox Creek" area here.

[tallboy66]

My pictures of Detroit are going on 10 years old, the new ones, and not much has changed.

That whole "empowerment zone" went over for upscale lofts and new business looking to save on taxes downtown and along Woodward for 15 years but what's going to happen when they have to start paying full city taxes?
The 56% tax deal was only for 15 years right?

It's very hard to convince someone to buy or a developer to build affordable single family homes in areas such as they were before.
They can densify (a new word) the areas or turn them into parks or community gardens but I don't see ANY return of the single family homes with yards coming back to the city.

[Cleveland Brown]

Anyone want to guess where the border is between Grosse Pointe Park and Detroit?
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4017/4287588017_3de4462d8a_b.jpg

Sweet Lula from Brazil, is that Alter Road? That entire section of the east side, from Poletown south is really terrible. It seems that the closing of Packard, Dodge, Mack Stamping and other plants really decimated the area.

[LSyd]

wow. thanks for the tour. sad and pretty at the same time.

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[hudkina]

The Lower East Side, which basically is everything east of Downtown and south of I-94 up to the Grosse Pointe Park border is in rough shape. The only areas that are in decent shape are the Indian Village area and certain stretches along the riverfront. While this is the area where most photographers go to get their "images" of Detroit, it's by far the worst area of the city. If you go to the Far East Side (just northeast of this area) you'll see neighborhoods in relatively good condition. In fact, the interesting thing about Detroit is that most of the neighborhoods that were built for the working class (i.e. aluminum siding, cheaper materials) are completely decimated, while the neighborhoods that were built for the middle-class (i.e. brick siding, quality materials) are generally in good shape. You can go from a neighborhood in very good condition to a neighborhood that is completely blighted, and the only difference in why one declined and the other didn't is based on who the housing was originally constructed for.;)

[fishrose]

The Lower East Side, which basically is everything east of Downtown and south of I-94 up to the Grosse Pointe Park border is in rough shape. The only areas that are in decent shape are the Indian Village area and certain stretches along the riverfront. While this is the area where most photographers go to get their "images" of Detroit, it's by far the worst area of the city. If you go to the Far East Side (just northeast of this area) you'll see neighborhoods in relatively good condition. In fact, the interesting thing about Detroit is that most of the neighborhoods that were built for the working class (i.e. aluminum siding, cheaper materials) are completely decimated, while the neighborhoods that were built for the middle-class (i.e. brick siding, quality materials) are generally in good shape. You can go from a neighborhood in very good condition to a neighborhood that is completely blighted, and the only difference in why one declined and the other didn't is based on who the housing was originally constructed for.;)
Somebody gets it! :tup:

[boden]

It would/will be interesting to see what Detroit will be like in 50 years. There may be many other cities in this boat before long.

[tallboy66]

The Lower East Side, which basically is everything east of Downtown and south of I-94 up to the Grosse Pointe Park border is in rough shape. The only areas that are in decent shape are the Indian Village area and certain stretches along the riverfront. While this is the area where most photographers go to get their "images" of Detroit, it's by far the worst area of the city. If you go to the Far East Side (just northeast of this area) you'll see neighborhoods in relatively good condition. In fact, the interesting thing about Detroit is that most of the neighborhoods that were built for the working class (i.e. aluminum siding, cheaper materials) are completely decimated, while the neighborhoods that were built for the middle-class (i.e. brick siding, quality materials) are generally in good shape. You can go from a neighborhood in very good condition to a neighborhood that is completely blighted, and the only difference in why one declined and the other didn't is based on who the housing was originally constructed for.;)

Yep. Take a drive from West to East along Outer Drive and you'd think Detroit was one of the most affluent cities, which it was, but the homes are really nice.
And that whole 8-7 mile area is still pretty much intact as far as middle class wood frame, alum. siding homes.

The riots started on the lower east side and spread west and up Woodward but not far enough to do the whole city in, they just need to get past that and do some low rise buildings or gated condos on those empty blocks to get some more livable, affordable neighborhoods.

[fishrose]

The riots started on the lower east side and spread west and up Woodward but not far enough to do the whole city in, they just need to get past that and do some low rise buildings or gated condos on those empty blocks to get some more livable, affordable neighborhoods.

Actually, the '67 riot broke out on 12th Street, which is on the near westside. http://www.spartantailgate.com/forums/images/smilies/nerd.gif

[hudkina]

The Near West Side is just as bad as the Lower East Side, it's just not as big.

[Crawford]

And that whole 8-7 mile area is still pretty much intact as far as middle class wood frame, alum. siding homes.


On the West Side, yes, definitely, but not on the East Side.

East State Fair (basically 7 1/2 mile road) is one of the most bombed-out corridors in Detroit.

7 Mile/Hayes, on the far East Side, is similarly damaged, and supposedly the most dangerous neighborhood within city limits.

In contrast, the West Side along 7 Mile is almost entirely intact, and is nice in many parts (especially neighborhoods around 7 Mile/Livernois).

[LMich]

One can always find exceptions to the rule, but the general point Hud and tallboy made remain correct. There are areas just off Woodward on both sides that are absolutely horrible. That said, it is no surprise that Far and Upper Easts Side contains the most muderous and dangerous neighborhoods of the city: outside of some tracts in the southwest, as a region, this area of the city contains the highest population densities anywhere in the city. Regardless of the danger or appearance, both far and upper sides are definitely more intact that the near and lower sides.

[hudkina]

Taking a drive along Outer Drive/Vassar/St. Martins/Pembroke etc from Woodward to Telegraph will show you some of the nicest residential neighborhoods you'll ever see in any city limits. That covers an 8+ mile stretch of nothing but beatiful middle-class housing. That's compared to only 6 miles from I-75 to the Grosse Pointe border along the likes of Mack/Vernor/Warren etc. Yet, you never see photo tours of Northwest Detroit aside from the occasional Palmer Woods/Sherwood Forest sets.

[LMich]

I know what you mean, Hud. My dad used to live along Schaefer a few blocks north of Vassar, and that's just a beautiful drive, Vassar, that is. The eastside was just built for an entirely different purpose with all of its industrial corridors. A lot of Northwest Detroit was built like a collection of well-connected residential suburb.

A little closer in, but also in the Northwest, my mom was a big fan of Oakman Boulevard having grown up in and around Dexter-Linwood.

You know what I really want to see a tour of, though, even in its declined state? Livernois, and particularly the Avenue of Fashion section. I haven't been that way in quite a few years, now.

The West Side is the Best Side. :)

[tallboy66]

Actually, the '67 riot broke out on 12th Street, which is on the near westside. http://www.spartantailgate.com/forums/images/smilies/nerd.gif

Yeah I was thinking of some Black Bottom stuff, and got confused.

[tallboy66]

On the West Side, yes, definitely, but not on the East Side.

East State Fair (basically 7 1/2 mile road) is one of the most bombed-out corridors in Detroit.

7 Mile/Hayes, on the far East Side, is similarly damaged, and supposedly the most dangerous neighborhood within city limits.

In contrast, the West Side along 7 Mile is almost entirely intact, and is nice in many parts (especially neighborhoods around 7 Mile/Livernois).

Well State fair used to have a few nice apartment buildings as well as Woodward but the East say around Mound is actually nice.

[hudkina]

The Far East Side has a lot of nice middle-class streets similar to what you'll see on the Northwest Side. Morningside and East English Village are two of the more famous hoods in that area of town. But like the West Side, there are a lot of "nameless" hoods that on the surface are no different than your typical suburban neighborhood.

[fishrose]

I know what you mean, Hud. My dad used to live along Schaefer a few blocks north of Vassar, and that's just a beautiful drive, Vassar, that is. The eastside was just built for an entirely different purpose with all of its industrial corridors. A lot of Northwest Detroit was built like a collection of well-connected residential suburb.

A little closer in, but also in the Northwest, my mom was a big fan of Oakman Boulevard having grown up in and around Dexter-Linwood.

You know what I really want to see a tour of, though, even in its declined state? Livernois, and particularly the Avenue of Fashion section. I haven't been that way in quite a few years, now.

The West Side is the Best Side. :)
I've got a Nikon D40 ordered at Ritz Camera and it's supposed to get here next week, maybe I'll break it in with a cruise down Livernois :tup:

[Crawford]

The West Side has pretty much always been better than the East Side.

If you go back 60 years, the West Side was for WASPs, Jews, and those who hade "made it". The homes were mostly brick.

In contrast, the East Side was for the immigrant Catholic white ethnics, and the blacks down by downtown and the river. Few homes were brick.

Yes, there are exceptions, like with always-crappy Brightmoor on the West Side, and gorgeous Indian Village on the East Side, but West has always been best.

Southwest Detroit is kind of on its own, and isn't really West Side; I would count everything south of Warren as its own area.

Oh, and this trend has continued with the development of suburbia. Generally speaking, the northwestern suburbs are much more affluent than the northeastern suburbs.

[hudkina]

^Downriver is the suburban extension of Southwest Detroit.

[fishrose]

Southwest Detroit is kind of on its own, and isn't really West Side; I would count everything south of Warren as its own area.

Oh, and this trend has continued with the development of suburbia. Generally speaking, the northwestern suburbs are much more affluent than the northeastern suburbs.

Uhhh, Warren is an East suburb, not a West suburb :uhh: Connor's Creek (the topic of this thread) is the part of Detroit proper that sits south of Warren.

[Crawford]

Uhhh, Warren is an East suburb, not a West suburb :uhh: Connor's Creek (the topic of this thread) is the part of Detroit proper that sits south of Warren.

No offense, but I think pretty much everyone else understood my statement.

Warren Ave. (no, not the City of Warren) is the traditional dividing line between the West Side and Southwest Detroit.

[fishrose]

No offense, but I think pretty much everyone else understood my statement.

Warren Ave. (no, not the City of Warren) is the traditional dividing line between the West Side and Southwest Detroit.

Sorry, I really didn't get what you were saying, but now I understand and agree. There was talk of suburbs and neighborhoods in the post, and I took the wrong context.

[tallboy66]

The West Side has pretty much always been better than the East Side.

Oh no you didn't! :pissed: :D

[jodelli]

The riots started on the lower east side and spread west and up Woodward but not far enough to do the whole city in, they just need to get past that and do some low rise buildings or gated condos on those empty blocks to get some more livable, affordable neighborhoods.

Actually, the '67 riot broke out on 12th Street, which is on the near westside. http://www.spartantailgate.com/forums/images/smilies/nerd.gif

Yeah I was thinking of some Black Bottom stuff, and got confused.


Well, kind of both, if you skip over a 24 year period. The '43 riot supposedly started near or on the Belle Isle bridge, either that or the first instigating rumors. Hastings Street heated up and then whites rioted along Woodward. 34 people were killed (without checking).