[Ramako]

Canada's 10 Tallest U/C (archive) (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=124574)


--- QUICK LIST ---

(diagram (http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=53810984))


1. Aura (Toronto): 272.3m / 893ft
2. One Bloor (Toronto): 257.3m / 844ft
3. Ice Condominiums II (Toronto): 234.4m / 769ft
4. Harbour Plaza Residences East (Toronto): 233m / 764ft
5. Harbour Plaza Residences West (Toronto): 224m / 735ft
6. L Tower (Toronto): 205m / 673ft
7. Ice Condominiums I (Toronto): 202m / 663ft
8. Bay-Adelaide Centre East (Toronto): 196m / 643ft
9. Trump International Hotel & Tower Vancouver (Vancouver): 188m / 617ft
10. Casa II (Toronto): 186.7m / 613ft

- topped out -
- excavating -




--- RENDERS & PHOTO UPDATES ---


1. Aura at College Park (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=48543) (Toronto): 272.3m / 893ft

http://www.tobuilt.ca/php/Buildingimages/AuraR6.jpg
Note: Rendering does not reflect height increase of 20.3 metres.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3748/9000647720_8f16175ac8_b.jpg
By: caltrane74 (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/member.php?u=961) on SkyscraperPage (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=179351&page=453) (June 9, 2013)



2. One Bloor (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=52003) (Toronto): 257.3m / 844ft

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/2795/oneblooreast1.jpg
Note: Rendering does not reflect height increase of 10 storeys.

http://andrewfare.com/UTC/mytoronto21/1bj4.jpg
By: androiduk (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/member.php/2785-androiduk) on Urban Toronto (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthread.php/10109-One-Bloor-East-(1-Bloor-St-E-Great-Gulf-Homes-75s-Hariri-Pontarini)/page247) (June 6, 2013)



3. Ice Condominiums II (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=71597) (Toronto): 234.4m / 769ft

http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/00292/site-icetwo23re0_292126gm-e.jpg
Note: On the right. Rendering does not reflect addition of two floors.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8126/8693123525_a4b0d71f2c_c.jpg
By: steveve (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/member.php/5254-steveve) on Urban Toronto (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthread.php/5951-%C3%8Fce-Condos-at-York-Centre-(Lanterra-57-67s-aA)/page206) (April 29, 2013)



4. Harbour Plaza Residences East (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=98544) (Toronto): 233m / 764ft

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/532756_370233153087121_1060710669_n.jpg
Note: On the left.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8416/8706583743_35cd33a161_b.jpg
By: udo (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/member.php/1181-udo) on Urban Toronto (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthread.php/8020-One-York-(Menkes-35s-amp-co)-Harbour-Plaza-Residences-(90-Harbour-St-62-66s-aA)?p=726462#post726462) (May 3, 2013)



5. Harbour Plaza Residences West (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=98545) (Toronto): 224m / 735ft

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/532756_370233153087121_1060710669_n.jpg
Note: On the right.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8416/8706583743_35cd33a161_b.jpg
By: udo (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/member.php/1181-udo) on Urban Toronto (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthread.php/8020-One-York-(Menkes-35s-amp-co)-Harbour-Plaza-Residences-(90-Harbour-St-62-66s-aA)?p=726462#post726462) (May 3, 2013)



6. L Tower (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=82157) (Toronto): 205m / 673ft

http://www.gtahomesandcondosforsale.com/images/19511/L-Tower-Toronto.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8396/8699721101_99347498eb_b.jpg
By: caltrane74 (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/member.php?u=961) on SkyscraperPage (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=179351&page=447) (May 1, 2013)



7. Ice Condominiums I (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=71596) (Toronto): 202m / 663ft

http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/00292/site-icetwo23re0_292126gm-e.jpg
Note: On the left. Rendering does not reflect addition of two floors.

http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r637/rivercity11/IMG_5482_zps93a657f6.jpg
By: RiverCity1 (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/member.php/31288-RiverCity1) on Urban Toronto (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthread.php/5951-%C3%8Fce-Condos-at-York-Centre-(Lanterra-57-67s-aA)/page207) (May 4, 2013)



8. Bay-Adelaide Centre East (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=41763) (Toronto): 196m / 643ft

http://urbantoronto.ca/sites/default/files/imagecache/display-default/images/projects/2697/urbantoronto-2697-18848.jpg
Note: On the left.

http://andrewfare.com/UTC/mytoronto21/baeasta30.jpg
By: androiduk (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/member.php/2785-androiduk) on Urban Toronto (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthread.php/15867-Bay-Adelaide-Centre-East-Tower-(Brookfield-44s-KPMB-amp-Adamson-Associates)/page46) (April 30, 2013)



9. Trump International Hotel & Tower Vancouver (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=35657) (Vancouver): 188m / 617ft

http://www.trump.com/_images/_design/header/vancouver.jpg
http://www.trump.com/Hotel_Collection/Trump_Vancouver/Trump_Vancouver.asp

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f58/hirtus1/IMG_0709_zpsc10f33a8.jpg
By: Built Form (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/member.php?u=12068") on SkyscraperPAge (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=6093589#post6093589) (April 16, 2013)



10. Casa II (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=94826) (Toronto): 186.7m / 613ft

http://www.mybesthome.com/gallery/nSal000099-01.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/dawnd_01/WINTER%202012-2013/SPRING%202013/Early%20Summer%202013/IMGP9129iMay052013CASA2_zpsd8ddc103.jpg
By: Taller, Better (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?u=32508) on SkyscraperCity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=102991264#post102991264) (May 5, 2013)



11. U Condominiums II (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=51996) (Toronto): 184m / 604ft

http://www.urbika.com/imgs/projects/large/766_u-condominiums.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img707/3552/rps20130325112005456.jpg
By: urbandreamer (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/member.php/44-urbandreamer) on Urban Toronto (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthread.php/530-U-Condos-(St-Michael-s-College-Pemberton-55s-45s-aA)/page70) (March 24, 2013)



12. INDX Condos (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=437) (Toronto): 178.8m / 587ft

http://innewhomes.com/files/application/8PMURACS7T812PM/indx-condo-building.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img694/1407/dsc0208ta.jpg
By: raptor (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/member.php/81-raptor) on Urban Toronto (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthread.php/5559-INDX-Condos-(70-Temperance-Lifetime-CentreCourt-54s-P-S)-was-Canada-Tower/page46) (February 5, 2013)



13. Eigth Avenue Place II (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=61234) (Calgary): 177.1m / 581ft

http://www.pickardchilton.com/mobile/img/PORTFOLIO/Eighth_Ave_Place/Eighth-Ave-Place-1.jpg
Note: On the left.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8500/8442953863_3cbfb00c18_b.jpg
By: Chadillaccc (http://www.flickr.com/photos/66175113@N06/) on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/66175113@N06/8442953863/sizes/l/in/photostream/) (February 3, 2013)



14. One York (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=98546) (Toronto): 173.5m / 569ft

http://thetorontoblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/1-York-Street-office-tower-rendering-half-size-.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii108/jasonzedd/Toronto-04-21-2012-onward/DSCF8654.jpg
By: Jasonzed (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/member.php/8679-Jasonzed) on Urban Toronto (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthread.php/8020-Harbour-Plaza-Residences-(90-Harbour-St-Menkes-62-66s-aA)-1-York-(37s-amp-co)/page78) (January 21, 2013)



15. City Centre I (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=47959) (Calgary): ~~~m / ~~~ft

http://calgarycitycentre.ca/img/pic/office-hero-render.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/brodie99/iPhoneUpload.jpg
By: Canterra (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/member.php?u=8121) on Skyscraper Page (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=5974600#post5974600) (January 15, 2013)




--- GRADUATES OVER 200 METRES ---
(since 2007)


1. Trump International Hotel & Tower Toronto (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=6167) (Toronto): 276.9m / 909ft

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7108/7479895790_256cc898fe_b.jpg
By: tylerToronto (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tylertoronto/) on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tylertoronto/7479895790/) (June 27, 2012)



2. The Bow (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=50928) (Calgary): 236m / 774ft

http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/4471/6345503087fc9137426fb.jpg
By: Surrealplaces (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/member.php?u=12695) on SkyscraperPage (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=5480527#post5480527) (November 14, 2011)



3. Bay-Adelaide Centre West (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=41762) (Toronto): 218m / 715ft

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5631/dscn4635e.jpg
By: casaguy (http://urbantoronto.ca/member.php?365-casaguy) on Urban Toronto (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthread.php/466-Bay-Adelaide-Centre-West-Tower-(Brookfield-50s-WZMH)/page302) (July 2, 2009)



4. Shangri-La Hotel & Residences (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=41578) (Toronto): 214m / 702ft

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8003/7644807762_5122503a76_b.jpg
By: steveve (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/member.php/5254-steveve) on Urban Toronto (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthread.php/463-Shangri-La-%28Westbank-65s-James-Cheng-Hariri-Pontarini%29/page277) (July 25, 2012)



5. Eighth Avenue Place I (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=61233) (Calgary): 212.3m / 697ft

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb15/smashcard/IMG_3443720.jpg
By: nick.flood (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/member.php?u=38944) on SSP (November 25, 2010)



6. Ritz-Carlton (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=36625) (Toronto): 209.6m / 688ft

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7035/4908467629e93f49908bb.jpg
By: Mo-tage (http://urbantoronto.ca/member.php?5962-Mo-tage) on Urban Toronto (http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthread.php/511-Ritz-Carlton-(Graywood-CadFair-52s-KPF-P-S)/page198) (August 19, 2010)



7. Four Seasons Hotel & Residences West (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=41582) (Toronto): 204m / 669ft

http://imageshack.us/a/img204/5316/fourseasons.jpg
By: USA Today (http://travel.usatoday.com/hotels/post/2012/02/four-seasons-toronto-gets-closer-to-opening-/623023/1) (February 8, 2012)



8. Living Shangri-La (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=9790) (Vancouver): 200.9m / 659ft

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4600/422188975462dfb6b79ab.jpg
By: raggedy13 (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/member.php?u=13214) on SkyscraperPage (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=138000&page=136) (December 28, 2009)

[caltrane74]

so, Ramako, you have taken on this responsiblity for years to come now... I thought maybe koops would want this... but its all good.

This calls for a nice sunday update....

God I Lovee Skyscraper Construction....

and so it begins....

[koops65]

No thanks... lol, But I do have the Burano thread to keep updated...
Might be nice to be responsible for this rather important thread and all that, but I'm way too busy making diagrams. Good on Ramako for stepping up to the plate!

[caltrane74]

no worries man.

hey its a beautiful day today right across the country, sunshine and spring temps right across the country... should have lots of updates.... winter was a little girl in a pink dress this year..

Ok im in kesington market right now doing a chinatown, spadina, dundas update for the main photo thread, and im about to rock down to get some Ritz updates in a second.... that roof framing seems to be taking forever..

[Ramako]

so, Ramako, you have taken on this responsiblity for years to come now... I thought maybe koops would want this... but its all good.


Don't worry... in addition to skyscrapers I also enjoy making orderly lists and updating them vigilantly. :D

Anyway, Koops needs to devote his time to drawing cool diagrams.

Good on Ramako for stepping up to the plate!

Cheers!

[Bigtime]

hey its a beautiful day today right across the country, sunshine and spring temps right across the country... should have lots of updates.... winter was a little girl in a pink dress this year...

Damn straight it is! Except I skipped my usual architecture updates and took pictures at the airport today!

[steveve]

Are we ditching the old thread? :shrug:

EDIT: I guess we are :)

Here's a question i have.. I've noticed "WHISTLERINMUSKOKA" has started many threads we have and has been banned... Who is/was he and why was he banned?

[duper]

Great job.

I'm very happy with the Trump Toronto cladding.

The Bow in Calgary looks fantastic. The curve of the building makes it resemble Toronto City Hall, but on steroids. Looking good, Calgary.

[caltrane74]

by me

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/2100/sany0068h.jpg

[caltrane74]

Trump by me

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5732/sany0076ag.jpg

[kap384]

Awesome job on the new thread Ramako! Thanks.

[caltrane74]

Ritz from a different angle...

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/6669/sany0062.jpg

photo by me

[craner]

Nicely done Ramako ! :tup:

I like how you've done the project renderings with a construction photo below.

Thanks for taking this on.
:cheers:

[Metro-One]

I guess when we find out about "Vancouver's Turn" at 188 meters now in a few weeks (I believe we may see construction start again sometime this spring) it will make this list as well?

[Ramako]

I guess when we find out about "Vancouver's Turn" at 188 meters now in a few weeks (I believe we may see construction start again sometime this spring) it will make this list as well?

Assuming that MLS and Centennial are complete and Ice and L Tower have begun construction, it should come in at #10 knocking out Absolute. It's noteworthy that it would be the only tower on the list shorter than 200m.

[caltrane74]

Ritz will be off the list by june or july and then Absolute will pop back on then. I still have no idea why there is such a holdup with the framing of the roof element on the Ritz.....its been stuck in the same place for almost a month.

[Ramako]

Ritz will be off the list by june or july and then Absolute will pop back on then. I still have no idea why there is such a holdup with the framing of the roof element on the Ritz.....its been stuck in the same place for almost a month.

Don't forget that the shorter Ice tower will still be taller than Absolute. Once L Tower, both Ice towers, and the Vancouver twisty start, Absolute is probably off the list for good.

[urbandreamer]

Hold up on the RC roof? Pretty obvious: they gotta remove tower crane to finish it! So until glass and other materials are lifted up, it can't be finished.

[caltrane74]

oh ok... I thought they could at least complete the back end around the crane while it was still up. Didn't realize the entire crane structure had to be removed before they could finish it off.

[caltrane74]

March 8, morning

http://www.thebuildingdatabase.com/ut_pics/ritz/2010_03_08a.jpg

http://www.thebuildingdatabase.com/ut_pics/ritz/2010_03_08b.jpg

looks like I was right, they are assembling the back end of the roof and the crane is still up..

take a look at the above photos from digitalis at UT

[WhipperSnapper]

yeah, I'd be surpirsed if the crane was removed before the mechanical structure is completed. The materials are heavy.

[steveve]

The Ritz cladding is nearly to the top in certain sections (1 floor to go on the south side)... I think they will stop installing cladding once the rest of the building is clad up to this point... They'll have to wait for the steel roof to be built before they can move the cladding any further...

what's taking so long! :hell:

*Yup... it looks like we see a little bit of slant forming on the back end of the Ritz :)

[caltrane74]

Imma check out Four Seasons...

see how that glass is looking and report back here...

[caltrane74]

Quick update before I leave downtown.. If you guys thought the cladding on Four Seasons was good... then you wont believe whats going on here.... they are using a glass over glass pattern on the southern corners.... and it looks amazing.... didnt have my cam.... but im sure u get the idea..

[caltrane74]

I took a cellphone pic of the glass.

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2239/sspx1428.jpg

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/2865/sspx1427.jpg

[caltrane74]

shot of Trump by me

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/5570/sany0074d.jpg

[caltrane74]

Not to be outdone.. here is a Trump Toronto video

WuD-s4cB9js

[caltrane74]

from yyzer at UT.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4039/4415878072_38c3fe6b02_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2748/4415898418_9653f4e5a5_b.jpg

glazing is quite reflective....

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4021/4415908370_7a5d4c6c24_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4001/4415908634_a92c2cb7e0_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2767/4415908098_a3bb5de6b6_b.jpg

[Surrealplaces]

Centennial
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/5719/za4.jpg

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/3938/000image022710045.jpg

[Surrealplaces]

Assuming that MLS and Centennial are complete and Ice and L Tower have begun construction, it should come in at #10 knocking out Absolute. It's noteworthy that it would be the only tower on the list shorter than 200m.

Centennial will be off the list fairly soon. There is still a bit construction happening on the top of the building. When is a building considered not u/c? When the doors are open to the public?

Speaking of Centennial, I'm just curious where the figure of 188m/599' comes from? I'm not contesting, but rather, I believe that is the right height. In the diagrams section it was listed as 177m with the spire, but now that the building has topped out, you can see it clearly wasn't the right height.

[Wooster]

I feel like in 2 years that every single one in the top ten will be from Toronto. I don't think there's much really tall on the horizon in Calgary or Vancouver that will be over 200m, at least not for several more years. Maybe Lacaille on 4th? Even that I think is supposed to be a touch under 200m.

[Surrealplaces]

^It''l be all Toronto. As far as new projects for Calgary, I could only see Lacaille as possibly being over 200m.

A couple more of Centennial

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5448/00image022710042.jpg
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/9753/00image022710101.jpg

[Ramako]

Centennial will be off the list fairly soon. There is still a bit construction happening on the top of the building. When is a building considered not u/c? When the doors are open to the public?

Speaking of Centennial, I'm just curious where the figure of 188m/599' comes from? I'm not contesting, but rather, I believe that is the right height. In the diagrams section it was listed as 177m with the spire, but now that the building has topped out, you can see it clearly wasn't the right height.

I'm not sure where you're seeing the figure 188m. It's listed as 186.2m to the spire both here and in the diagram section.

Anyway, with respect to when a building is considered built, I'm following the lead of the diagram editors. I'm not quite sure, but I think that they consider a building complete when it's either open to the public (for office buildings) or when tenants start to move in (residential buildings). Also, you might notice that I'm not listing anything as U/C if it's only in the site prep/demolition stage (such as L Tower), which I believe is also the convention with the diagrams.

Even though MLS and Centennial are topped out and essentially complete externally (which I've indicated with an asterisk on the quick list), I'm going to leave them on the list until it's official. After all that time spent getting dressed and primping, I figure they deserve a little walk down the red carpet before heading into the ball.

[Ramako]

I feel like in 2 years that every single one in the top ten will be from Toronto. I don't think there's much really tall on the horizon in Calgary or Vancouver that will be over 200m, at least not for several more years. Maybe Lacaille on 4th? Even that I think is supposed to be a touch under 200m.

In two years a lot of Toronto's talls will be off the list too (Trump, Shangri-La, Ritz, Four Seasons). Optimistically, I'd imagine a future group from Toronto looking something like this:

1. Aura - 252m
2. Number One Bloor - 219m
3. Ice II - 217m
4. L Tower - 205m
5. Ice I - 186m
6. U Condos I - 184m
7. 880 Bay Street - 175m
8. Hullmark Centre I - 168m
9. 300 Front - 156m
10. U Condos II - 154m

Even given this scenario, it shouldn't be difficult for Calgary to crack the list.

[niwell]

I feel like in 2 years that every single one in the top ten will be from Toronto. I don't think there's much really tall on the horizon in Calgary or Vancouver that will be over 200m, at least not for several more years. Maybe Lacaille on 4th? Even that I think is supposed to be a touch under 200m.

Yep, and they'll all be nondescript condos. Just really tall ones.

Well, all the new ones at least.

[caltrane74]

Ramako, two years from now, im sure Signature will be under construction. As soon as concord sells out Parade there will be nothing left for them to sell. We should see some movement on Signature before the fall. And judging by the frenzy One Bloor will cause, im sure they will try and figure out a way to take this tower upmarket to capitalize.

[WhipperSnapper]

Centennial will be off the list fairly soon. There is still a bit construction happening on the top of the building. When is a building considered not u/c? When the doors are open to the public?

Speaking of Centennial, I'm just curious where the figure of 188m/599' comes from? I'm not contesting, but rather, I believe that is the right height. In the diagrams section it was listed as 177m with the spire, but now that the building has topped out, you can see it clearly wasn't the right height.

- technically, when the doors open. not always easy to figure out when you're someplace else though.
- height was recently posted in the Calgary Construction thread

[WhipperSnapper]

In two years a lot of Toronto's talls will be off the list too (Trump, Shangri-La, Ritz, Four Seasons). Optimistically, I'd imagine a future group from Toronto looking something like this:

1. Aura - 252m
2. Number One Bloor - 219m
3. Ice II - 217m
4. L Tower - 205m
5. Ice I - 186m
6. U Condos I - 184m
7. 880 Bay Street - 175m
8. Hullmark Centre I - 168m
9. 300 Front - 156m
10. U Condos II - 154m

Even given this scenario, it shouldn't be difficult for Calgary to crack the list.

That's more of a worst case scenario. We'll see some new proposals this spring/summer, some others hit the market, some applications for height increase, and I wouldn't write off the office market completely either.

[Surrealplaces]

Sorry, I meant 182.6m as listed on the front page. Not sure why I got 188m from?
I'm not sure where you're seeing the figure 188m. It's listed as 186.2m to the spire both here and in the diagram section.




I'm just curious where the number ultimately came from. I know some people in the Calgary thread were guessing at numbers.

- height was recently posted in the Calgary Construction thread

[WhipperSnapper]

I have to double check now but, I'm quite sure it wasn't some random guess . The heights were down to hundredths of a metre. Really reliable forumer too. The post was surprisingly ignored though.

[WhipperSnapper]

posted on FEB 25 in the Calgary thread.

Starting next week the first of 6 tower cranes will be going up at the SAIT TTC site. All of them are Liebherr Tower cranes, this site will be extremely busy and conjested with both student, teachers and construction traffic once the project really gets rolling.

3 for the Center wing, 2 for West wing and 1 for South Wing.

Oh as for Centennial Place I can confirm the final heights for the West Tower and the taller East Tower.

East Tower: Top of Roof at high point: 165.15 with a limit of 165.9m for shadowing.
Top of Spire: 173.1m and Top of Antenna: 182.6m
West Tower: Top of Roof at high point:100.1m with a limit of 100.3m for shadowing.
Top of Spire: 108.1m and top of antenna: 117.6m.

The spire is the built up structure with the silver aluminum panel and includes the lantern box attached. After that tops off the skinny piece is the antenna.

so it was tenths of a metre

[Rico Rommheim]

Wow look at all of 'em scapers!


Go Montreal!

..oh wait. right. :(

[Surrealplaces]

Thanks for posting that WS!. Somehow I totally missed that post.

posted on FEB 25 in the Calgary thread.

so it was tenths of a metre

[Ramako]

I have to double check now but, I'm quite sure it wasn't some random guess . The heights were down to hundredths of a metre. Really reliable forumer too. The post was surprisingly ignored though.

Hey GL/Sac/WS, is the height for the Hilton Niagara addition confirmed? The 177m figure refers to the original 58-floor plan, didn't it? It's 52 floors now, but I can't find the revised height anywhere.

Here's the original drawing:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/mark3333/niagarahilton.jpg

There's no way that the tower is this high.

[Ramako]

That's more of a worst case scenario. We'll see some new proposals this spring/summer, some others hit the market, some applications for height increase, and I wouldn't write off the office market completely either.

I guess I'm just more pessimistic than most. I have a feeling that the coming "correction" in the real estate market will torpedo a lot of the kinds of projects that looked vulnerable in the spring of 2009. Here's a more optimistic list:

1. Aura - 252m (+ possible height addition)
2. Signature Tower - ???m
3. Number One Bloor - 219m
4. Ice II - 217m
5. L Tower - 205m
6. Bay-Adelaide Centre East - 196m
7. Ice I - 186m
8. U Condos I - 184m
9. 880 Bay Street - 175m
10. Fairmont proposal - 175m

Herald Square (223m) and Vancouver's Turn (188m) will have no problem making the list. Hell, even Montreal could make a rare cameo with Tour Centre-Ville (217m).

[caltrane74]

SITQ?? might also be there. But like you, I doubt it will get built anytime soon, especially if BAC2 is underway...

Wow!! Montreal in the top 10, that would be amazing, in the 4 years this thread has been here, we've never seen it included. It's beyond rare, it would be a revelation, if it got on the list.

[Surrealplaces]

There are a few Calgary projects milling around in the background that could get into the list, but I don't see any of them being built soon. If some of those on the list don't get built Luna (a 33 storey residential tower) might sneak onto the list.

EDit: Actually on second look Luna is only 30 floors, so not too likely. The best chance would be Arriva 42 or the Lacaille on 4th project, or possibly H2O.

In two years a lot of Toronto's talls will be off the list too (Trump, Shangri-La, Ritz, Four Seasons). Optimistically, I'd imagine a future group from Toronto looking something like this:

1. Aura - 252m
2. Number One Bloor - 219m
3. Ice II - 217m
4. L Tower - 205m
5. Ice I - 186m
6. U Condos I - 184m
7. 880 Bay Street - 175m
8. Hullmark Centre I - 168m
9. 300 Front - 156m
10. U Condos II - 154m

Even given this scenario, it shouldn't be difficult for Calgary to crack the list.

[WhipperSnapper]

Hey GL/Sac/WS, is the height for the Hilton Niagara addition confirmed? The 177m figure refers to the original 58-floor plan, didn't it? It's 52 floors now, but I can't find the revised height anywhere.

Here's the original drawing:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/mark3333/niagarahilton.jpg

There's no way that the tower is this high.

I assume no. I did change the height to an estimate that reflects the 52 as advertised (in fact, there are only 47) but I see it was changed back to the 177 in the meantime.

[steveve]

In two years a lot of Toronto's talls will be off the list too (Trump, Shangri-La, Ritz, Four Seasons). Optimistically, I'd imagine a future group from Toronto looking something like this:

1. Aura - 252m
2. Number One Bloor - 219m
3. Ice II - 217m
4. L Tower - 205m
5. Ice I - 186m
6. U Condos I - 184m
7. 880 Bay Street - 175m
8. Hullmark Centre I - 168m
9. 300 Front - 156m
10. U Condos II - 154m

Even given this scenario, it shouldn't be difficult for Calgary to crack the list.

wow... toronto rapes :haha:


Nice updates of Trump Caltrane! The corner of the building (Bay and Adelaide) is looking really sick... and when you just look at the base of the tower (the portion that is fully clad).. you can imagine what its gonna be like in a few years... sweet! Trump is at home!

Aura by ethervizon on UT:

http://urbantoronto.ca/showthread.php?492-Aura-Residences-of-College-Park-III-%28Canderel-75-s-G-C%29/page152

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4056/4420935094_c376fd1565.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ethervizion/4420935094/)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4420165917_4a04b2414d.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ethervizion/4420165917/)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4070/4420163793_b540ba1ff7.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ethervizion/4420163793/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4420928744_8e4bb0a432.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ethervizion/4420928744/)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4054/4420159269_dec68814aa.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ethervizion/4420159269/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2719/4420923798_02ab596dbd.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ethervizion/4420923798/)

Photo of the Ritz by OldManKensey on UT:

Ritz looks like a freakin TANK from this angle!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2706/4416026886_e0fb69e824_b.jpg

EPIC Toronto Skyline by urbandreameron UT:

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6871/dsc01145d.jpg

http://urbantoronto.ca/showthread.php?511-Ritz-Carlton-%28Graywood-CadFair-53s-KPF-P-S%29/page158


Our skyline looks EPIC!

[caltrane74]

updated Four Seasons cladding by me

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7236/sany0144g.jpg

[Coldrsx]

^^ looks good and is improving but if that is EPIC you sir FAIL at statements, observations, and assertions.

[caltrane74]

How about Hardcore? Gamechanging, perhaps.., ? This is the next level of residential cladding in Canada, so maybe notso Epic, but at the very, very least, it is stunning..

[RTA]

^ I think he meant the skyline shot above your post. ^^ = two posts up.

[caltrane74]

oops...

[steveve]

EPIC nonetheless :haha: :D !

FS cladding is sweet!

[Ramako]

^^ looks good and is improving but if that is EPIC you sir FAIL at statements, observations, and assertions.

I wouldn't nitpick. He calls everything "EPIC"... literally everything.

[Gresto]

SITQ?? might also be there. But like you, I doubt it will get built anytime soon, especially if BAC2 is underway...
Have you heard anything new about B-A 2? If so, please share. I really want to see the other two towers in the complex brought to fruition.

[Ramako]

Have you heard anything new about B-A 2? If so, please share. I really want to see the other two towers in the complex brought to fruition.

He was only speaking hypothetically.

[Phil McAvity]

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/8002/98713946.jpg

Wow. Possibly the most New Yorkian shot ever taken in Canada. :tup: All it needs are a couple of big yellow taxis to positively scream NEW YORK CITY!!!.

[Coldrsx]

^you need to visit toronto or vancouver more

[caltrane74]

Minus, the sunlight and then you have a Manhatten stylez shot. Get some towers blocking that blue sky and sunshine, and youre cooking New York City style..

[Deepstar]

^you need to visit toronto or vancouver more

Toronto or Montreal. Vancouver doesn't resemble New York in any way. Calgary with its office tower canyons actually looks more like New York than Vancouver.

[WhipperSnapper]

I don't see anything that screams New York in that shot. It's just too glassy and modern.

[Ramako]

These two shots of Trump scream 'Manhattan' to me:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4060/4360217498_a554cd6f44_b.jpg
By: Mo-tage (http://urbantoronto.ca/member.php?5962-Mo-tage) on UT (February 15, 2010)


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4011/4253426967_7110347454_o.jpg
By: tomms (http://urbantoronto.ca/member.php?1795-tomms) on UT (January 7, 2010)



The streetwall in that second picture will really solidify once the Shangri-La (214m), 100 John Street (135m), Bay-Adelaide East (196m), and Richmond-Adelaide III (183m) are built, not to mention Trump (282m) itself.

[francely57]

Wow look at all of 'em scapers!


Go Montreal!

..oh wait. right. :(

Ha, Montreal will have its revenge when the time is right..... we'll make Vancouver & Calgary jealous with all our new 30-40-50-60-storey towers :rolleyes:



That makes me think, this is one of the main reasons why skyscraper construction threads seem so Toronto-centric:

The #2 city, Montreal, has nearly abandoned skyscraper construction, and then #3 and #4 are way smaller than #1, so it's pretty hard for them to compete against TO's domination

[caltrane74]

Back in the mid ninetys to late 90's Calgary and Montreal were the champs of skyscraper construction in Canada. We're just playing catch up now.

[Dylan Leblanc]

[Possibly the most New Yorkian shot ever taken in Canada.

Wow Phil, we could rip on you so hard for making that statement. :haha:

[steveve]

I wouldn't nitpick. He calls everything "EPIC"... literally everything.

EPIC sounds better than nice -imo.... I would use nice instead but it doesn't seem as "EPIC!" :haha:

Toronto has some serious density in its downtown core in certain places (financial district) , but there are many strips of downtown that lack the "New York" feel quite a bit...

Toronto's sheer size is understandable due to its population, we get way more goodies (skyscrapers) compared to other canadian cities....

But like WhipperSnapper said, there are a whole buncha new buildings (built in the past 30 years or so) in those shots... Manhattan's got tons of older buildings due to its ancient history..

Trump Tower in Toronto was inspired by Manhattan skyscrapers as Trump said in one of his youtube videos... We are Americans in denial! :haha:

And i don't see any taxicabs in those shots i don't think! :haha:

[Bigtime]

No no, this is Calgary looking like Manhattan:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3290/3039876746_89b774902b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/persona/3039876746/sizes/l/)

[WhipperSnapper]

Back in the mid ninetys to late 90's Calgary and Montreal were the champs of skyscraper construction in Canada. We're just playing catch up now.

Another one of those Caltrane's WTF? posts .. cool! Almost like calling Jamieson's gaudy deco inspiration New Yorkish.

[Coldrsx]

Toronto or Montreal. Vancouver doesn't resemble New York in any way. Calgary with its office tower canyons actually looks more like New York than Vancouver.

you need to visit Vancouver more... while the height is not there, the canyons and traffic and pedestrians sure are.

[240glt]

No no, this is Calgary looking like Manhattan:

More like everyone leaving downtown & headed for their fancy tract houses up in Coach Hill :P

[Traynor]

Another one of those Caltrane's WTF? posts .. cool! Almost like calling Jamieson's gaudy deco inspiration New Yorkish.

I believe that should be: Jamieson's gaudy DISCO inspiration.

But jokes aside, in my opinion Jamison would fit quite nicely just off Broadway near Times Square. I think it very much matches Manhattan's aesthetic of the last 20 years.

That photograph as a whole does not make me think New York, but Jamieson certainly does. Manhattan loves overly fussy glass boxes with cheater spires stuck on top. That just screams New York to me.

:D

[Bigtime]

More like everyone leaving downtown & headed for their fancy tract houses up in Coach Hill :P

Hey now what place does the truth have on the internet? ;)

[WhipperSnapper]

... but Jamieson certainly does. Manhattan loves overly fussy glass boxes with cheater spires stuck on top. That just screams New York to me.

:D

Somewhat true but, I just don't see it with Jamieson. Jamieson looks like something straight out of Melbourne.

[WhipperSnapper]

you need to visit Vancouver more... while the height is not there, the canyons and traffic and pedestrians sure are.

The skyline looks like Manhattan and some of the historical parts but the new towers, their canyons are anything but Manhattanesque.

[Coldrsx]

The skyline looks like Manhattan and some of the historical parts but the new towers, their canyons are anything but Manhattanesque.


AS I MENTIONED... other than the height... but the many of the other characteristics are there.

[WhipperSnapper]

10 tallest buildings completed by year
(note: not all buildings in the database have completion dates)

1993:

Vancouver - 5
Toronto - 3
Coquitlam - 1
Kitchener - 1

1994:

Vancouver - 7
Toronto - 1
Montreal - 1
Surrey - 1

1995:

Vancouver - 6
Toronto - 2
Montreal - 1
Nanaimo - 1

1996:

Vancouver - 8
Toronto - 2

1997:

Vancouver - 5
Toronto - 3
Burnaby - 1
Port Moddy - 1


1998:

Vancouver - 8
Toronto - 1
Windsor - 1

1999:

Vancouver - 5
Toronto - 3
Burnaby - 2

2000:

Vancouver - 6
Calgary - 2
Toronto - 1
Niagara Falls - 1

[WhipperSnapper]

AS I MENTIONED... other than the height... but the many of the other characteristics are there.

Dude, I got the height part. I guess by your def every city counts as Manhattanesque. There's a reason they call it "Vancouverism" after all. ;)

[Coldrsx]

^not at all.

Toronto is obviously most akin to parts of manhattan.

but Vancouver feels like a lot of manhattan if you do not tilt your head more than 45 degrees.

[WhipperSnapper]

I just don't see it no matter how I tilt my head. There's a fundamental difference in the built form. For all the the height limits and view corridors, Vancouver's policy is still about building up rather than out. New York City even with it's jaw dropping height is still more about building out rather than up. By this I mean, you take the same good sized lot, with the same allowable density, nine times out of ten Vancouver will yield a taller building.

[raggedy13]

10 tallest buildings completed by year
(note: not all buildings in the database have completion dates)

1993:

Vancouver - 5
Toronto - 3
Coquitlam - 1
Kitchener - 1

1994:

Vancouver - 7
Toronto - 1
Montreal - 1
Surrey - 1

1995:

Vancouver - 6
Toronto - 2
Montreal - 1
Nanaimo - 1

1996:

Vancouver - 8
Toronto - 2

1997:

Vancouver - 5
Toronto - 3
Burnaby - 1
Port Moddy - 1


1998:

Vancouver - 8
Toronto - 1
Windsor - 1

1999:

Vancouver - 5
Toronto - 3
Burnaby - 2

2000:

Vancouver - 6
Calgary - 2
Toronto - 1
Niagara Falls - 1

I'm shocked how much Vancouver & suburbs dominated during that period. Must not have been much going on in the rest of the country... especially considering that even Nanaimo made it on one year!

I look forward to Vancouver's 'Turn' starting up again. Will be another great addition to the skyline and add some much needed height. I'm a bit sad that there aren't anymore tall towers being proposed for Vancouver at the moment, though I'm hoping some new proposals will be made public after the Paralympics are over. Regardless, I think Surrey will help represent Metro Vancouver on this list in the years ahead. Lots of tall towers planned currently. Just hope they manage to become reality.

[Deepstar]

you need to visit Vancouver more... while the height is not there, the canyons and traffic and pedestrians sure are.

I used to live in Vancouver lol! I was talking specifically about the long canyons of wall to wall tall buildings. I get what you're saying about the pedestrian traffic, and agree with you. I just see more of New York in Calgary when looking at it strictly from a office building canyon point of view.

[koops65]

10 tallest buildings completed by year
(note: not all buildings in the database have completion dates)

1993:

Vancouver - 5
Toronto - 3
Coquitlam - 1
Kitchener - 1

1994:

Vancouver - 7
Toronto - 1
Montreal - 1
Surrey - 1

1995:

Vancouver - 6
Toronto - 2
Montreal - 1
Nanaimo - 1

1996:

Vancouver - 8
Toronto - 2

1997:

Vancouver - 5
Toronto - 3
Burnaby - 1
Port Moddy - 1


1998:

Vancouver - 8
Toronto - 1
Windsor - 1

1999:

Vancouver - 5
Toronto - 3
Burnaby - 2

2000:

Vancouver - 6
Calgary - 2
Toronto - 1
Niagara Falls - 1

Totally shocking to see Kitchener on this list. How many years will we have to wait to get on it once more?

[steveve]

Totally shocking to see Kitchener on this list. How many years will we have to wait to get on it once more?

lol... Kitchener :haha: .... the good ol days :haha: !

[caltrane74]

Vancouver Domination! I thought Calgary and Montreal were the stars back in the 90s. I was thinking about Bankers in Calgary, and Rene Leveques in Montreal.. But wow, how Vancouver, Kitchener, Niagara Falls dominated....

[Canadian Mind]

Toronto has alot more going on in the 2000s. Meaning Vancouve has to pull up its socks.

[WhipperSnapper]

again keep in mind dates of completion and estimated heights

2001

Vancouver 3
Toronto 3
Calgary 1
Mississauga 1
Gatineau 1
Surrey 1

2002

Vancouver 6
Toronto 3
Mississauga 1

2003

Toronto 8
Niagara Falls 1
Surrey 1

2004

Toronto 5
Vancouver 2
Montreal 1
Ottawa 1
Niagara Falls 1

2005

Toronto 9
Mississauga 1

2006

Toronto 7
Mississauga 3

2007

Toronto 5
Vancouver 2
Calgary 2
Surrey 1

2008

Toronto 4
Vancouver 3
Mississauga 2
Calgary 1

2009

Toronto 7
Niagara Falls 1
Vancouver 1
Montreal 1

[Cowtown_Tim]

Seen in the Calgary construction section. A fantastic Bow blast!

The Bow
March 10/2010
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x315/llama660/029-1.jpg
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[caltrane74]

Toronto is not dominating the way Vancouver dominated in the 90's. Vancouver became a different city in the 90's, it became a city of condos and asian immigrants... those leaving hong kong before the Chinese takeover pushed those numbers way up...

[Nicko999]

Wow, the Bow is looking really nice.:tup:

[Traynor]

Trump Toronto Pics posted by skyscraper03 over at SSC

Note how all the wonky floors of the parking garage are all covered in cladding now, so it just looks like a normal building under construction. I, for one, am glad for that. Those garage floors detracted from the true skyscraper form of this project until now. The wavy floors kept distracting me from seeing the bigger picture.

*For the nitpickers out there... All the parking EXCEPT the first two floors are covered!

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8336/trumptoronto.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7387/trumptoronto02.jpg
(Courtesy skyscraper03 at SSC http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=386744&page=171 )

[Traynor]

Ya know... I just noticed they are building the Bow in the real classic steel beam construction... Hold on, Hold on... don't say "Duh" just yet. What I mean is.... there is no concrete core for the elevators and stairwells the way most steel 'scrapers are built these days. Just look at Eighth Avenue Place; concrete core with steel floors and exterior walls. Just like Bay Adelaide was built in Toronto.

Whereas Bow is being built like an old timer. Like the Empire state building or World Trade Center or even First Canadian Place in Toronto. The elevator core is made of steel and it rises with the building.

Just an observation.

:cheers:

[caltrane74]

Pfluggen! Fokka! Flicken!

Those shots of Trump show they have finally, finally, installed that piece of the cladding on the north side corner, so we can get an idea how this will look when the exterior moves to the more glassy variety as it moves towards the sky. A very classic skyscraper with thorough twist...

The glass within glass framing on the Bow looks fantastic. I love the cladding here, now this is how the exterior cladding should have looked. More classy, less cartoony.

[WhipperSnapper]

I think they could of done a better job with concealing the uneven floor heights. Not a fan of the different sized punches.

[Surrealplaces]

EAP taken be me.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2778/4424416143_f2f5a3b0cc_o.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4037/4425182180_c2045e61c8_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2736/4424416021_0f2686baef_o.jpg


When I took this it looked like they were pouring the 47th floor
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4005/4424416231_1fe01f7fc9_o.jpg





Some of the lobby area
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4016/4425182272_af70d8010e_o.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4054/4425182304_214f4768b0_o.jpg

[caltrane74]

That building looks really good in the sun. Wow... very nice cladding.

[Reesonov]

Trump just isn't inspiring me. At all. Maybe once it climbs taller?

[caltrane74]

well... as it starts climbing taller, the granite cladding will switch to curtain wall glass.

I think it's a matter of opinion... Cause I just love the Four Seasons Toronto cladding, while others like Trump.

[vegeta_skyline]

I think the granite wall on Trump looks amazing. Also how many buildings going up in Canada these days use stone cladding? Hardly any.

EAP looks very impressive, definitely prefer its cladding over the Bow's. The cladding looks similar to the B-A centre. Wish we could trade it for that building.