[freeweed]

Heh. Darryl Sutter on offense vs defense. (http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/Sutter+fine+with+coaches+believes+Flames+still+playoff+team/3885388/story.html)

In New York and New Jersey, the Flames simply could not muster any offence. But scoring, in Sutter’s mind, is far from the No. 1 concern with this team.

Quite the opposite, actually.

"There’s enough goals in our lineup," Sutter said. "That’s the truth. The problem for us is that our goals-against is not good enough."

The Flames rank 18th in the NHL with an average of 2.81 goals per game. They slip to 19th in goals against with an average of 2.95 a game.

Just found this funny considering recent discussion. Oh, and Darryl: there are currently 5 playoff-ranked teams with a worse goals against total.

[Calgarian]

Get rid of Sutter already, he has over stayed his welcome.

[Flamesrule]

I think Brent Sutter should stay, and Darry Sutterl should get fired.

[Coldrsx]

Hall and eberle with a clutch game winner, thank god!

[MrOilers]

I think Brent Sutter should stay, and Darry Sutterl should get fired.

I think the Flames should fire both those mouth breathers.

[Yume-sama]

lol Flames make it to overtime, take a penalty (as usual). Then Pronger gets the "Sean Avery" penalty for covering Kiprusoff's eyes with his glove as the Flyers score.

I think that's the first time that's ever happened!

[freeweed]

Definitely not the first unsportsmanlike Pronger's ever gotten.

[Yume-sama]

Flames win in a shootout! They scored! More than once!!

Flyers fans sure don't sound happy.

[Flamesrule]

Yep. Flyers fans don't have anything else to chher, so they boo and say Flames suck.


Good game and 3rd period by the Flames.

[Calgarian]

Holy shit, the Flames won in a shootout!

[Flamesrule]

Great goal by Bourque in the shootout.

[Calgarian]

I didn't see it, had to follow the scoreboard on TSN while I work.

[MrOilers]

Then Pronger gets the "Sean Avery" penalty for covering Kiprusoff's eyes with his glove as the Flyers score.


I think that call is total bullshit. I don't see how it's any different than a player standing atop the crease, trying to intentionally screen the goalie (which the way things are going, will be a penalty pretty soon).

God, I hate the NHL sometimes.

[freeweed]

I'm incredibly old-fashioned, but I find pretty much all of today's goaltender screening to be unsportsmanlike. I pine for the days when people actually scored, not fluked in pucks that the goalie couldn't even see. Of course we'd have to trim the pads down about 70%...

Flames beat the #1 team in the league. Time to plan the parade boys! That's points in lots of recent games!

[Flamesrule]

I think that call is total bullshit. I don't see how it's any different than a player standing atop the crease, trying to intentionally screen the goalie (which the way things are going, will be a penalty pretty soon).

God, I hate the NHL sometimes.

It's one thing to screen, but it's another when a player if putting a glove over a goalie's face mask.

[freeweed]

I'm gonna have to watch a replay of this when I get home. I've heard everything from covering his mask with his glove, to just raising his arm for a split-second while not even facing the goalie.

[Flamesrule]

I watched the whole game, and from my view it looked like it was a unsportsmanlike conduct, or golaie interference.

[MrOilers]

The fact that it was Pronger who did it probably had something to do with it being called a penalty.

[Nicko999]

Good... Boston and Philadelphia lost.:)

Let's hope Auld doesn't allow softies tonight.:D

[freeweed]

The fact that it was Pronger who did it probably had something to do with it being called a penalty.

Worth re-posting this gem. (http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2009/11/nhl-suspensions.html)

[Yume-sama]

No, it probably shouldn't have been waived off. But there's no doubt it was "Unsportsmanlike Conduct" which he was penalized for.

It would be interesting to know if the referee was going to call the penalty before the Flyers scored, but I guess we can't know that.

[The_Architect]

I'm gonna have to watch a replay of this when I get home. I've heard everything from covering his mask with his glove, to just raising his arm for a split-second while not even facing the goalie.

It was the latter.

[Yume-sama]

Leafs lose. Habs lose.

I bet the impossible today. Flames win, Detroit win, Sabres win, Thrashers win, and St. Louis win.

If St. Louis wins I win $381 on pro-line! :D

[freeweed]

It was the latter.

Not exactly. Now that I've seen it, I'd say it was something in the middle, but definitely deliberate. This wasn't accidental nor brief, this was basically a more subtle copy of what Avery did.

Apparently Pronger's excuse was that he was "directing traffic". Except no player in NHL history has ever directed traffic that way, Pronger is not one to do that, and it's pretty clear that he's deliberately using his arm to block the goaltender's view.

With the NHL lacking a penalty for "douche move", they had to settle with unsportsmanlike.

[Nicko999]

We just played our worst game of the season.:yuck:

PK Subban and Josh Gorges, currently our 2 best D-man had their worst game of the season(career in Subban's case).

And we only lost 3-0. This means the streak of never allowing more than 3 goals in regulation this season continues.
That's the only positive thing today...:rolleyes:

[Yume-sama]

Leafs lose. Habs lose.

I bet the impossible today. Flames win, Detroit win, Sabres win, Thrashers win, and St. Louis win.

If St. Louis wins I win $381 on pro-line! :D

God damn you, Mike Ribeiro!

[Yume-sama]

Psht. Leave Nicko alone!

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5zej60rQc1qze5g2o1_500.gif
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5zej60rQc1qze5g2o1_500.gif

/Flames are also #1 in the West if you don't count the other 13. GJDM.

[Nicko999]

Here's a little nicko999 logic

Not counting Stamkos, Semin, Crosby, or Sharp... Daniel Sedin has the most goals in the league and is the league leader. GJ Daniel Sedin! :tup:

Well, I usually stop after naming 2 players...;) So Montreal is first in the East if we don't count Washington and Philly.:P

[Flamesrule]

Also 3/4 past games the flames have played, they have earned at least a point in every game.

[Yume-sama]

And now we're 2 - 8 - 1 in one goal games!

[freeweed]

Don't kid yourselves, the Flames are still a godawful team. It's fun to go back and re-read this thread from the summer. My predictions about Vancouver and the Sedins are still undecided though.

[Flamesrule]

Come on flames get some shots on goal and don't let kipper save the team(and game.).

[Yume-sama]

Come on flames get some shots on goal and don't let kipper save the team(and game.).

I have a feeling Tampa Bay, Philadelphia, etc. would be undefeated if they had Kiprusoff in net. :yes:

Shots are 24 - 6 for Pittsburgh after 1!! :haha:

[Flamesrule]

Yeah flames couldn't keep the puck in the penguins zone. This was a terrible period for them.

[Yume-sama]

lol that was the most pathetic shift I've seen from the Flames in awhile. And that's saying something.

One... two... three... four... five... goal.

[Nicko999]

It's a must win game tonight for the Habs. We usually come out strong after a crappy performance.

[The_Architect]

It's a must win game tonight for the Habs. We usually come out strong after a crappy performance.

Why exactly is it a must win again? :P
You're not exactly fighting for a playoff spot in the last 5 games here..

[Nicko999]

Why exactly is it a must win again? :P
You're not exactly fighting for a playoff spot in the last 5 games here..

We're battling with Boston for the division...
Also with the way we played yesterday, it will be a disgrace if we don't win tonight.

[Yume-sama]

As a Flames fan I can tell you exactly how much leading the division in December means... :haha:

[Flamesrule]

Yeah we lost the division last year and the year before that. We were leafing the conference for about half a year a few years ago.

[Flamesrule]

Anyways flames thanks for playing terrible yet again.

[Yume-sama]

I picked the Oilers :( I really thought it was all just not having Khabibulin!

;)

lol @ this thread on HFBoards started by Pens fans.
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=846676

[freeweed]

Vancouver is a whopping 2 points up on Colorado at this point, and they haven't even lead the division all season. I wouldn't be anywhere near confident they'll keep it up. They're a couple of key injuries away from losing it.

With the NW being arguably the weakest division in the league now (wow, times sure have changed) it'll be pretty funny if they don't win it. Seeing as they're supposedly cup favourites.

[feepa]

let sconadian v 2.0 have his licks while he can. We all know what canuck fans look like by mid April. "Hockey? Canucks? Ya, they suck and spring is here"

[Ayreonaut]

Wow, Fleury is kicking ass for me this week.

3 - 1.00 - .971 - 1

[Flamesrule]

Yep and it is hurting my team.

[Slug]

Cole just jinxed Price out of a SO.

[freeweed]

Cole just jinxed Price out of a SO.

Yeah, he was talking about it with like 5 minutes left - moron. To be fair, Buffalo looked to be coming on pretty hard towards the end, but Price did look sharp.

Toronto has now been shutout 5 times this season - out of 22 games. Ouch.

Oh, and the Flames continue to suck. We damn well better get that lottery pick. If the Oil take another, they're going to be scary in 2-3 years (assuming they can ever get decent goaltending).

[The_Architect]

Yea the Leafs can't seem to realize that hitting the net is necessary when trying to score goals..

[Nicko999]

It's a must win game tonight for the Habs. We usually come out strong after a crappy performance.

:)

Too bad Price lost his shutout in the last minute.:( He would have had a league leading 5th SO.

In my opinion, Price is the front-runner for the Vezina trophy right now:

22 games(1st in the NHL), 14-7-1(1st in the NHL), 1.95 GAA, 4 SO(1st in the NHL), .935 sv %

[Some guy]

I can't believe believe people question the Nuck's winning the NW. Ya, Colorado has had a good run so far and they might pose a threat, but Vancuver is 2-0 against them so far this season. No one else in the division is even on the radar.

[Yume-sama]

Now that Stewart is out in Colorado they're probably not much of a threat.

Until they face Calgary and still score 7 goals somehow.

The Oilers game last night was entertaining. I actually enjoy watching the Oilers. Whatever happens they always seem to at least *try*, which is something that I haven't seen from the Flames in several years. Interesting that Renney talked about the Oilers falling in to the pit of low expectations early on. I think the Flames are already there, the players must know that the fans don't really expect them to win pretty much ever, anymore, and as a result they don't really seem to give a damn whether they win or lose. Not like years ago where fans were positive the Flames could win *any* game.

Now it's just wondering how much we'll lose by.

[The_Architect]

Thats what I'm saying. I mean you just have to have a bit of hockey sense to know how this season is going to turn out. Don't bother telling that to Flames fans though. I've gone back through past NHL threads and their predictions have always been way off.

The Canucks may win the NW division but they'll still choke in the playoffs, most likely against Chicago for the 3rd time in a row.
I like the Canucks but you have to admit, lately they've been huge choke artists..

[Yume-sama]

The Canucks may win the NW division but they'll still choke in the playoffs, most likely against Chicago for the 3rd time in a row.
I like the Canucks but you have to admit, lately they've been huge choke artists..

Chicago wouldn't beat Vancouver this time around. Not without their heart and soul players, Byfuglien, Ladd, etc.

They're not too special of a team this year, and Marty Turco should join Martin Brodeur in the retirement line.

Everybody knows the trick to scoring on either of them is to throw it at their feet. Old men can't bend over anymore.

[NetMapel]

C'mon Leafs fans, I think you guys need to make the playoff first before firing a shot at the Canucks...

[The_Architect]

C'mon Leafs fans, I think you guys need to make the playoff first before firing a shot at the Canucks...

It isn't firing a shot, it's stating a fact. They have been choke artists ever since 94.

[Flamesrule]

Marty turco hasn't been good in the past two Years or so. I remember about four/five years ago I knew Dallas would win because of truce. Not anymore.

[SpikePhanta]

It isn't firing a shot, it's stating a fact. They have been choke artists ever since 94.

Leafs, losers since 67.....

trolololololol

[freeweed]

Thats what I'm saying. I mean you just have to have a bit of hockey sense to know how this season is going to turn out. Don't bother telling that to Flames fans though. I've gone back through past NHL threads and their predictions have always been way off.

You might then want to start actually reading these threads instead of just using your keyboard for another excuse to attack Albertans. Plenty of us Flames fans said quite clearly over the summer that Vancouver is the team to beat and will most likely win the division. Not sure how that is "always way off" when it lines up with the rest your post though.

[freeweed]

I think we can all agree that Toronto and Vancouver have gone the longest without a cup of any Canadian team.

Also the first and third longest without a finals appearance.

[Flamesrule]

You might then want to start actually reading these threads instead of just using your keyboard for another excuse to attack Albertans. Plenty of us Flames fans said quite clearly over the summer that Vancouver is the team to beat and will most likely win the division. Not sure how that is "always way off" when it lines up with the rest your post though.

Exactly.:tup:


Phusion, you were not here in the previous hockey threads,but we said that last season also that Vancouver would win the divsion. We Alberta Fans have a hockey sense, and we know that Vancouver is a very skilled team.



Anyways, I'm glad Kipper played against Pittsburg, because we would have probably would have lost 10-1 or something like that.

[The_Architect]

Leafs, losers since 67.....

trolololololol

Vancouver, losers since they have been a team...
trololololololololol
Maybe you should win a cup before you start attempting to make fun of other teams.. 13 - 0 Leafs right now.

[bulliver]

leafs suck...rabble rabble rabble....canucks suck...rabble rabble rabble...flames suck...rabble rabble rabble.

Man this thread had turned to shit. I remember when people used to talk about hockey here.

[The_Architect]

leafs suck...rabble rabble rabble....canucks suck...rabble rabble rabble...flames suck...rabble rabble rabble.

Man this thread had turned to shit. I remember when people used to talk about hockey here.

Agreed. I'm done with the mindlessness now that I responded to SpikePhanta's idiotic attempted trolling. Now onto actual hockey discussions..

Atlanta has been a really surprisingly good team lately, any predictions for the game against Boston tonight?

[Nicko999]

PK Subban is slowly becoming the best trash talker in the NHL... and he's still a rookie.:haha:

"I’m keeping it on the ice," Zach Bogosian said. "Everyone knows who he is, his act. That’s all I’m going to leave it at. I’m not going to sit here and be a tough guy in the media. What happens on the ice stays on the ice."

http://atlanta.sbnation.com/2010/11/26/1838219/zach-bogosian-punctures-the-myth-of-p-k-subban-tough-guy

Subban: 9 pts in 24 games, +6
Bogosian: 3 pts in 17 games, -7

Criticizing rookies that are better than you is a really good idea Zach:rolleyes: . Only good things have happened to the Habs since Subban is with the big club (playoff run+this season) so keep doing what you do best PK.:tup:

[Yume-sama]

Hmm, I like Atlanta's chances tonight. Krecji is out for Boston, and Rask is in net.

One thing I don't understand about Atlanta... why the heck do the few people in the crowd stay in their ticketed seat? The whole lower bowl is empty.

But, a whole bunch of seats up top are full :P

You'd think the Thrashers would do like the Indy Car series and purposely re-locate people so it looks good on TV lol

And ridiculous deals, 4 tickets + free parking for $44.

[theman23]

PK Subban is slowly becoming the best trash talker in the NHL... and he's still a rookie.:haha:


http://atlanta.sbnation.com/2010/11/26/1838219/zach-bogosian-punctures-the-myth-of-p-k-subban-tough-guy

Subban: 9 pts in 24 games, +6
Bogosian: 3 pts in 17 games, -7

Criticizing rookies that are better than you is a really good idea Zach:rolleyes: . Only good things have happened to the Habs since Subban is with the big club (playoff run+this season) so keep doing what you do best PK.:tup:

Only successful people should ever criticize other people's poor character. Got it. I guess that makes you the most agreeable person on the planet.

Oh, and btw: Bogosian is a year younger than Subban.

[SpikePhanta]

Vancouver, losers since they have been a team...
trololololololololol
Maybe you should win a cup before you start attempting to make fun of other teams.. 13 - 0 Leafs right now.

Buddy Calm your boner...
I put the trolololol in for comedic relief sort of like sarcasm, I didn't actually mean it. :haha: :rolleyes:
Ps losers since 1970 still beats being losers since 67!

I keed I keed.

[freeweed]

Ps losers since 1970 still beats being losers since 67!

Not exactly "losers", but... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NHL_franchise_post-season_droughts#Stanley_Cup_droughts_2)

That page is actually pretty neat in terms of looking at droughts. Winnipeg/Phoenix really sucks as a franchise.

[feepa]

If this doesn't say choke, I don't know what does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NHL_franchise_post-season_droughts#Closest_approaches_without_winning

Canucks
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[freeweed]

Or the Canucks were the better team.

[freeweed]

Yes, there definitely are things that CAN happen to the Nucks for them to lose the division lead. That being said, they will keep the division until the end of the year. You can quote me on that.

I feel the need for some reason to quote this post, just in case it gets buried.

[Nicko999]

Don't look Canada but the Habs have currently the best defense in the NHL and are the ONLY team with a GA per game lower than 2.

http://bit.ly/fZpgnX

[freeweed]

Don't look now Montreal, but Calgary's GA is exactly 3.00. :haha:

Oh, and Edmonton's at the bottom of the pile, with a whopping 4.00. Wow.

[Coldrsx]

^thanks for the reminder.

[Flamesrule]

Both teams have a terrible GAA.

[Yume-sama]

The Flames team D sucks like no others. If Kiprusoff weren't in net the GA would be something like 6 or 7.

He still manages to be the number 1 star in games he lets up 3 or 4 goals (Pittsburgh, etc. :P)

If the Flames don't make the playoffs and decide to blow up I really hope they trade him to someone half worthy.

I want to see him carry a capable team to a championship like he carried Finland to Bronze.

[Reesonov]

Apparently there was a rumour swirling around the Flames organization (even within the dressing room) that Darryl Sutter had been fired following the loss to Pittsburgh. Sadly, that rumour has since been dismissed.

[Yume-sama]

I was never on the "Fire Sutter" bandwagon until he said "The problem is not goal scoring, it's goals against".

THE FLAMES CAN'T SCORE! That statement is so out of touch with reality.

[Reesonov]

^ Currently ranked 17th in the league for goals scored per game, and 23rd in the league for goals against per game. So, in fact, we suck at everything.

[Yume-sama]

^ Currently ranked 17th in the league for goals scored per game, and 23rd in the league for goals against per game. So, in fact, we suck at everything.

lol well, it was a tie at 20 when he said it.

[touraccuracy]

as usual the eastern conference is all over the place as far as points go, while the western conference has 2nd place and 13th place seperated by 4 points. pretty amazing.

[Flamesrule]

Hmmmm I wonder what the comparison of last to his year for the flames.

[Flamesrule]

Let's hope flames come out strong this game!

[freeweed]

If the Flames could pull this stuff off even every second night, there'd be hope. Sadly, with Vancouver next and a pretty full week next week, I just don't see it.

However, if a miracle occurs and the Flames win on Wednesday, and Colorado manages even a point tomorrow night - at least that's something. I highly highly doubt it though.

Oh, and Kipper is now #2 in shutouts behind Thomas and Price. Of course there are several other guys with 3...

[Yume-sama]

Tonight was a good game. I'm just not looking forward to Wednesday. I can't see it NOT being a massacre.

We love to basically ignore Henrik / Daniel - giving them the silent treatment if you will. It never works...

Just because, defensively, we refuse to acknowledge they exist, doesn't mean they don't! :P

[Dwils01]

Was watching both the Flames and Oilers games. They were both really good. It would be nice if both teams would play like this more often. I always enjoy watching hockey games even though I don't get to do it that often. I guess I will watch the Montreal Edmonton game on Wednesday if I'm not too busy. No time to watch any TV tonight.

[Calgarian]

Was nervous about going to the game last night, the Flames have lost most of the games I've been to in the last couple years. It was a good effort and a great game by Kipper, now lets string a few wins together and get out of the basement.

[MrOilers]

Flames are prepping to take another run at 9th place in the Conference.

[Yume-sama]

Peter Chiarelli must have been watching the Avs vs. Flames game, in which Colby Cohen completely dominated Jarome Iginla and drove him completely nuts :P

Hunwick to the Avs for Cohen. The best reaction so far, "A Jew in Boston? Happy Chanukah!"

Marc Savard is aiming to be back for Saturday against Toronto~

[Calgarian]

Marc Savard is aiming to be back for Saturday against Toronto~

That guy is one solid hit from retirement.

[Yume-sama]

That guy is one solid hit from retirement.

Perhaps. People were weary of Bergeron's return, too, and he has turned in to one of the best two way centers in the NHL and was great in the Olympics. I certainly wouldn't sell too much to get Savard & Sturm back in to the lineup. Sturm is more fragile than Gaborik. There's a big strong rumour that Savard was in the process of being traded to Calgary for Regehr, but failed the physical in the Summer :D

Speaking of the Flames, is Kotalik still alive? Where the heck is he...

[freeweed]

Speaking of the Flames, is Kotalik still alive? Where the heck is he...

Playing as early as tomorrow, if you can believe the Flames. And yet one more highly overrated past-his-prime-anyway player will receive huge ice time over younger, more promising players.

Maybe THIS TIME I'll be proven wrong. I mean, after Jokinen and Stajan have pissed away $7.5 million this season, surely THIS overpaid forward will achieve, right?

As Principal Skinner said: Prove me wrong, kids. Prove me wrong.

[The_Architect]

I've got both Stamkos and Kessel on my hockey pool team.. so I'm kinda hoping for a 7-6 Toronto OT win, with Kessel and Stamkos both getting double hat tricks of course..
A man can dream can't he? :cool:

[Flamesrule]

I have stamkos on the SSP hockey pool! I'll only trade him if some trade blows me away. Anyway great game by flames!

[SHOFEAR]

What was up with all the empty seats in Ottawa last night? I thought all Canadian teams have been selling out every night for the past 5 or 6 years? did Ottawa fans not get the memo?

[feepa]

shofear - the attendance issue for the Kanata Senators has already been discussed just a few pages back - it would be like if the Oilers built their new arena in Spruce Grove.

[Yume-sama]

:P Kind of a poor excuse. If the team was in Regina people would drive from 6 hours away to come see them every night.

Though I have heard the arena access is quite poor. It can't really be *worse* than the Saddledome is now, though. Yeah, it's in the core (with only one road in, one road out), but expect 45 minute waits in the parking lot, especially considering that after they upped parking to $12 they took away all of the parking / traffic control that helped people get out in an orderly fashion.

Oh, if only the underpass was finished. 25 years too late, but it'll be nice!

[MrOilers]

If the team was in Regina people would drive from 6 hours away to come see them every night.

Yeah, but only if their football team was lacing up the skates.

Actually, I would drive 6 hours to see the Saskatchewan Roughriders get their asses kicked in hockey, too.

[The_Architect]

Gahhhh Leafs play well all game.. up until the 55 minute mark.
TB ties it up with 7 seconds left.. and Gagne scores the OT winner after ridiculous over passing by Schenn.
Blew a 3-1 lead to lose 4-3.. Jesus Christ Leafs TAKE THE DAMN SHOT!