[BretttheRiderFan]

Well, they didn't have anybody sitting in the third deck, so I'm assuming they hold 3 - 4000 up there.

Ah, that part's not visible on the shot then

Still great nonetheless:tup:

[Darkoshvilli]

Hey Darko/Montreal Canadians-


I sent a trade request, but I'm not too serious about this trade.

No way, Frolov sucks.

[Jay in Cowtown]

Well, they didn't have anybody sitting in the third deck, so I'm assuming they hold 3 - 4000 up there.


The capacity without the 3rd level nosebleeds is 17 200 or something... which was the official capacity for many years untill they opened the 3rd level back up for the '04 playoffs, and has sold those seats ever since... speaking of which, wonder how long it'll be before they have to close them again? :haha:

[Flamesrule]

No way, Frolov sucks.

Haha thats what I thought.

[Jay in Cowtown]

Ah, that part's not visible on the shot then


The 3rd level is behind the broadcast booths in that picture. They're horrible seats and you can't even see the score clock... they did have projection screens of the game up there 6 years ago though, the last time I sat in those seats.

[Darkoshvilli]

This is the wackiest play I've ever seen. Koivu loses his stick in D zone and then proceeds to steal Ryan's stick right out of his hands. Ryan then goes and picks up Koivu's discarded stick and scores with it. If that wasn't enough, Ryan is right-handed and Koivu is left-handed. So Ryan scored with left-handed stick.:haha:

p7Fl2PnHZz4

[Nicko999]

This is the wackiest play I've ever seen. Koivu loses his stick in D zone and then proceeds to steal Ryan's stick right out of his hands. Ryan then goes and picks up Koivu's discarded stick and scores with it. If that wasn't enough, Ryan is right-handed and Koivu is left-handed. So Ryan scored with left-handed stick.:haha:

p7Fl2PnHZz4

That's karma for you!

[freeweed]

The 3rd level is behind the broadcast booths in that picture. They're horrible seats and you can't even see the score clock... they did have projection screens of the game up there 6 years ago though, the last time I sat in those seats.

Not exactly. The first 10 rows or so can see the scoreboard just fine (out of 20 or so rows in total), plus there are side boards now with the score and time remaining, plus there are dedicated score clocks for the upper balconies. Also they do have those projection screens still, but just a couple of weeks ago they installed these HUGE new ones. Which actually appear *bigger* than the scoreboard, because they're so close to the nosebleeds.

In my opinion they're some of the best seats in the house, because you really have the broadcast view of the game. Especially for the money - they're lightyears better than endzone seats which cost 2-3x as much.

For those that would remember by comparison - this is NOTHING like the old upper deck at Winnipeg Arena. It used to have TVs up there because many of the seats couldn't even see the entire ice surface, let alone the scoreboard. :haha:

[Flamesrule]

That's karma for you!
That's awesome!

[freeweed]

I dare anyone to tell the Sedins apart here:

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/3964509.bin

(Source) (http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Naslund+humbled+emotional+jersey+retirement+ceremony/3964248/story.html)

[BretttheRiderFan]

Judging by the "C" I'd say Henrik is on the left ;)

[freeweed]

Judging by the "C" I'd say Henrik is on the left ;)

Which C, the left or the right? ;)

[BretttheRiderFan]

Which C, the left or the right? ;)

WTF!? Just noticed that....

THAT PICTURE ISN'T REAL :haha: :koko:

[freeweed]

WTF!? Just noticed that....

THAT PICTURE ISN'T REAL :haha: :koko:

Nope, it is. Read the article. ;)

[Calgarian]

They were both wearing a Naslund Jersey, neither Sedin is #19. So based on that, I have absolutely no idea who is who.

[Nicko999]

The best goal scorer from the AHL has been called up. He will likely play on the second line.

Add this 22 years old to the list of young Habs!
So now we have 12 players who are 25 or younger with the team...no real superstar (except for Price) but amazing depth.:tup:

Kostitsyn
Pouliot
Subban
Lapierre
Eller
Picard
Pyatt
Weber
Boyd (will likely not stay with the team for very long)
Price
Pacioretty
Desharnais (he's been called up as well but will probably not play)

[Yume-sama]

Nice to see the Flames win, with Iginla taking care of the offense tonight. It was probably his best game of the season, he actually looked... talented.

Unfortunate we let Columbus have a point, but at least it gave Iginla the chance to get a 2nd goal :P

[Tom Servo]

where are the sens fans?

[Dwils01]

Nice to see the Flames win, with Iginla taking care of the offense tonight. It was probably his best game of the season, he actually looked... talented.

Unfortunate we let Columbus have a point, but at least it gave Iginla the chance to get a 2nd goal :P

I have to agree with you. That was a good game and Iginla was for sure playing the best that I've seen him play this season.

Also going back to post # 1919, that is one of the most funniest things I've seen in a while. :haha:

[Yume-sama]

lol the Toronto media has lost it because Taylor Hall spoke truth.

"Hopefully we can compete a lot harder (than on Sunday). Because (Toronto) is a team that, if we do, it's there for the taking,"
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=345461

[Coldrsx]

Hall is getting to be my hero very quickly...

[Flamesrule]

Nice win by the Flames. I didn't watch the game(oh my! This is like the first/second time I've missed a Flames games) but I watched NHL on the Fly.

[MrOilers]

Hall basically said, if the Oilers don't play like crap like they did against Vancouver, they can beat Toronto.

That's not trash talk at all. That's just common sense.

[BretttheRiderFan]

Hall basically said, if the Oilers don't play like crap like they did against Vancouver, they can beat Toronto.

That's not trash talk at all. That's just common sense.

You know you're a pathetic team when the Oilers dismiss you as an opponent :haha:

[davidivivid]

You know you're a pathetic team when the Oilers dismiss you as an opponent :haha:
Nice!! :tup:

[Coldrsx]

^hahaha...

I will be there tonight in a box, cannot wait!

[Tom Servo]

ugh. i wasted another move the other day. Kunitz isn't on the ice today. :hell:

this 4 move a week limit is annoying. i wish it were 5 or 6.

[feepa]

It's time to kick some maple leaf waffle ass tonight!!!

HALLelejuh!!!!

[Flamesrule]

Think anyone will be armed with a waffle tonight?

[bulliver]

^ Other than Gene Principe?

Also of note, tonight is the debut of the Oiler cheerleaders :rolleyes:

[MrOilers]

The Oilers need some decent defensemen. Whenever Ryan Whitney isn't on the ice, it's an adventure.

[Coldrsx]

doh

doh

doh

[Nicko999]

Habs play the best team in the NHL tommorow(by pts, second by pts %)...

Hopefully, we teach them a lesson...:) No more soft goals from Auld for at least a month... plz!

[The_Architect]

You know you're a pathetic team when the Oilers dismiss you as an opponent :haha:

It's time to kick some maple leaf waffle ass tonight!!!

HALLelejuh!!!!

Sorry what? :P
Lol but nah congrats to Phaneuf for his first goal this season, great that it was in the hometown, let's hope he gets one against his former team! Leafs are now in a 3 way tie for 10th, better than 13th..

[freeweed]

Dion's been injured since the pre-season? Ouch.

Seriously, who does he think he is, Jokinen?

[Nicko999]

I can't believe how "major" the Latendresse trade turned out... at the time of the trade, everybody was talking about a minor trade and how it was good for both players who were going nowhere with their respective team.

Since the trade:

Latendresse: 43 pts in 63 games
Pouliot: 40 pts in 69 games


...

Fast-forward to November 23rd, 2009. The Montreal Canadiens traded Latendresse to the Minnestoa Wild in exchange for Pouliot in a deal that most observers filed under the term "minor trade". The Canadiens organization was exhausted trying to get the big-bodied Latendresse to go to the net, and the Wild were allegedly equally frustrated with the once highly touted Pouliot's lack of work-ethic and consistency. The trade barely made headlines, and the most common thought was the oft clichéd, "maybe a change of scenery will get these guys going".
...

http://ezinearticles.com/?Benoit-Pouliot-Vs-Guillaume-Latendresse---Whos-Better?&id=3637495

[Ayreonaut]

What's with the Leafs wearing their whites at home and blues on the road. Did they not get the memo that it doesn't work that way anymore, or is the team stuck in the past just as much as the fans?

[SHOFEAR]

The Oilers need some decent defensemen. Whenever Ryan Whitney isn't on the ice, it's an adventure.

What was up with the peacekeepers...err ref's last night. I've never seen them work so hard to prevent fans from being entertained. shameful.

Peckham is looking better and better out there.

[Coldrsx]

^no kidding... Orr and Mac would have been so good, but no, send em to the showers.

Oiler 'Octane' cheerleaders debuted last night, meh.

[The_Architect]

What's with the Leafs wearing their whites at home and blues on the road. Did they not get the memo that it doesn't work that way anymore, or is the team stuck in the past just as much as the fans?

... seriously guy?
The Leafs wear their home jerseys (dark) at home every game unless they're wearing their 3rd jersey's, which are white. I don't know why they were wearing their dark ones against Edmonton but did it ever occur to you that maybe it was Edmonton's choice to wear lights? Probably not.
The stuck in the past comment was unnecessary.

Besides the whole switch was retarded to begin with. In almost every sport whites are home jerseys.

[Darkoshvilli]

Gotta say, a big thumbs down to EDM for bringing the cheerleading gimmick to Canada.

[SHOFEAR]

..

Besides the whole switch was retarded to begin with. In almost every sport whites are home jerseys.

But when just about every team came out with third jersey's they were dark...and were predominantly used at home. Changing the home away colours to accomodate and create consistancy only made sense.

[The_Architect]

But when just about every team came out with third jersey's they were dark...and were predominantly used at home. Changing the home away colours to accomodate and create consistancy only made sense.

The NFL didn't change when their teams started using throwbacks..

[freeweed]

... seriously guy?
The Leafs wear their home jerseys (dark) at home every game unless they're wearing their 3rd jersey's, which are white.

Ah, thanks for explaining this. I've been wondering why T.O. seems to always wear white at home - didn't realize it was a 3rd jersey thing. I don't think I've seen another white 3rd jersey, that's kinda cool. It does conflict with the league's current coloring standard though.

The stuck in the past comment was unnecessary.

Oh come on, that one was fairly funny.

Besides the whole switch was retarded to begin with. In almost every sport whites are home jerseys.

I used to think the same way (change is hard!), but I have to tell you, I love the "colours at home" now. It gives a great sense of identity for the home team, instead of just everyone wearing white at home. It really helps when fans go all out and wear a team's colours in the stands too - instead of 30 "whiteouts" Jets style. Calgary and Philly are 2 great examples of where this just completely rocks. Well, Philly is fugly but at least they're wearing their team colours.

[Calgarian]

I wonder how loudly Phaneuf will get booed tomorrow night? I should buy tickets and find out first hand.

[SHOFEAR]

The NFL didn't change when their teams started using throwbacks..

How many games do they wear the throwbacks for?


For what its worth, the CFL uses dark jersey's at home.

Every jersey I've every owned (other than a mid 90's Peoria Rivermen Jersey) has been a dark one. I'd be willing to bet dark jersey's outsell white ones, so it only makes sense that the home crowd gets to See their team in the preferred jersey.

[Coldrsx]

I wonder how loudly Phaneuf will get booed tomorrow night? I should buy tickets and find out first hand.

He got booed pretty good last night.

[Calgarian]

He got booed pretty good last night.

In his hometown? is there no decency? lol

yeah, I'm not surprised he got booed, he was a Flame afterall.

[SHOFEAR]

It's more to do with him being a piece of shit than a former flame.

[lubicon]

Wikipedia says in the case of colors it's common convention in the NHL and NFL for the home team to wear dark colors but it is not a rule. That's why you will sometimes see the home team in an NFL game wearnig white - they will make the visitors wear darks on a very hot day.

[freeweed]

It's more to do with him being a piece of shit than a former flame.

:haha: :haha: :haha:

[Coldrsx]

^bingo!

Teddy Peckham wanted to fight, the little bitch skated off the ice.

[Strange Meat]

God damn the Avs are a fun team to watch.

[Tom Servo]

God damn the Avs are a fun team to watch.

no. no they aren't. and after that 'game' against the 'hawks monday, i hope they loose the rest of their games this season.
:hell:

...starting tonight: 'hawks 15 avs 0

(patrick sharp has 5 goals and toews 10 assists)

[Flamesrule]

He got booed pretty good last night.
Yeah, I am pretty certain that he might get booed when they are in Calgary tomorrow.

[Calgarian]

It's more to do with him being a piece of shit than a former flame.

lol true, he's a big time douche that's for sure. My friend was a bartender at the Whiskey and she told me a lot of Phaneuf stories, like how he used to try and steal people's cabs all the time and never seemed to understand why they got mad.

[Calgarian]

Yeah, I am pretty certain that he might get booed when they are in Calgary tomorrow.

Oh, he'll get booed, very very loudly.

[SHOFEAR]

lol true, he's a big time douche that's for sure. My friend was a bartender at the Whiskey and she told me a lot of Phaneuf stories, like how he used to try and steal people's cabs all the time and never seemed to understand why they got mad.

I went to school with him. he wasn't liked any better back then either.

[Flamesrule]

Ok Tom Sevo, I accepted your trade. Not sure about Hejduk since he is injured, but oh well.

[The_Architect]

Oh, he'll get booed, very very loudly.

Which gets back to the whole Montreal booing Kovalev thing..
Phaneuf liked playing in Calgary, and it wasn't his choice to leave, and he played a few good years there, including his best so far.. So why boo him, just because he's playing for the other team?
It really says something about class there, and not every team does that. Again, Sundin got a standing ovation when he came back to Toronto, and it wasn't just because he was the captain and did so much for the team, because so did Wade Belak.. Guess that may say something about how classy Leafs fans are other than how classless other fans are.. ;)

[Ayreonaut]

Leaf fans probably liked Belak though. Dion fell out of favour in his third year in Calgary. Even before the trade I didn't hear too many positive opinions of him.

That said, I never disliked him, nor do I now.

[Tom Servo]

second blockbuster trade this week:

from Tom Servo to Flamesrule:

Milan Hejduk
Jordan Leopold
Tomas Vokoun

from Flamesrule to Tom Servo:

Corey Perry
Tyler Myers
Cam Ward

[MrOilers]

It really says something about class there, and not every team does that.

Nonsense. Fans, for the most part, act mostly the same everywhere.

If someone like Iginla was traded or went elsewhere as a free agent, you can bet your ass that Calgary would give him a standing ovation upon his return.

And if a player on the Leafs started out his career really well, then after signing a huge contract, dropped his level of play, and the press started printing rumors that the player was disliked by his teammates and literally had a punching match with a teammate before getting traded, he'd get a nice round of boos when he came back as well.

[freeweed]

Which gets back to the whole Montreal booing Kovalev thing..
Phaneuf liked playing in Calgary, and it wasn't his choice to leave, and he played a few good years there, including his best so far.. So why boo him, just because he's playing for the other team?
It really says something about class there, and not every team does that. Again, Sundin got a standing ovation when he came back to Toronto, and it wasn't just because he was the captain and did so much for the team, because so did Wade Belak.. Guess that may say something about how classy Leafs fans are other than how classless other fans are.. ;)

Err... Beyond the fact that his performance seriously slackened once he signed large contract, Phaneuf is well known to have been a serious liability in the locker room. He was traded because he was destroying the team on some levels. Google the term "locker room cancer". He was also getting a pretty good rep in town as a big douche. Flames players are generally very well liked in the community so it takes some pretty egregious public behaviour to get to that level.

He wasn't quite run out of town by the fans but it was close. An entirely different situation than Kovalev or Sundin.

As pointed out, if Iginla got traded he'd get one hell of an ovation upon his return.

[theman23]

I went to school with him. he wasn't liked any better back then either.

Im gonna guess that he was, is, and always will be more well like than you.

A whole lot of revisionist history here. Phaneuf was always a fan fave in Calgary (he was considered the future of the franchise), and had his career year after he signed his new contract.

[freeweed]

A whole lot of revisionist history here. Phaneuf was always a fan fave in Calgary (he was considered the future of the franchise), and had his career year after he signed his new contract.

No, you just don't live in Calgary nor are you a Flames fan, so you don't have much idea how things went here.

Pure stats wise, he went from 20-17-17 goal seasons to 11 and 12. His actual gameplay suffered greatly before he got traded - admittedly some of this was due to the constant coaching changes we saw, but there was definitely a visible lack of effort on the ice. During his final year or so here, there were regular stories about him getting in trouble (not legal trouble) in bars. Causing disruptions in the locker room. Rumours of him sleeping with other player's girlfriends, that sort of thing.

All of this happened before he got traded. He WAS a fan favourite for his first few years. While he wasn't the most hated Flame on the day of the trade, he had definitely lost his gleaming image. Plenty of people here were happy to see him go. The stories that came out AFTER he was traded only cemented opinions. Some of the Flames made some pretty unflattering (but subtle) comments about him in the days that followed.

Being made captain of the Leafs is just icing on the cake. Captains are supposed to be leaders, not guys who disrupt the locker room. Maybe he's grown up since. :shrug:

[Calgarian]

Which gets back to the whole Montreal booing Kovalev thing..
Phaneuf liked playing in Calgary, and it wasn't his choice to leave, and he played a few good years there, including his best so far.. So why boo him, just because he's playing for the other team?
It really says something about class there, and not every team does that. Again, Sundin got a standing ovation when he came back to Toronto, and it wasn't just because he was the captain and did so much for the team, because so did Wade Belak.. Guess that may say something about how classy Leafs fans are other than how classless other fans are.. ;)

Sundin isn't a useless, cocky, douchebag, asshole. Phaneuf on the other hand...

[theman23]

No, you just don't live in Calgary nor are you a Flames fan, so you don't have much idea how things went here.

Pure stats wise, he went from 20-17-17 goal seasons to 11 and 12. His actual gameplay suffered greatly before he got traded - admittedly some of this was due to the constant coaching changes we saw, but there was definitely a visible lack of effort on the ice. During his final year or so here, there were regular stories about him getting in trouble (not legal trouble) in bars. Causing disruptions in the locker room. Rumours of him sleeping with other player's girlfriends, that sort of thing.

All of this happened before he got traded. He WAS a fan favourite for his first few years. While he wasn't the most hated Flame on the day of the trade, he had definitely lost his gleaming image. Plenty of people here were happy to see him go. The stories that came out AFTER he was traded only cemented opinions. Some of the Flames made some pretty unflattering (but subtle) comments about him in the days that followed.

Being made captain of the Leafs is just icing on the cake. Captains are supposed to be leaders, not guys who disrupt the locker room. Maybe he's grown up since. :shrug:

What is this, 1988? I dont have to live in Calgary to know this stuff. I have the internet.

You're only partly right, and thats if you consider gossip from sleazy sources to be "stories". For example, the story about Phaneuf sleeping with a teammate's wife originated from an internet blogger who claimed to have bumped into the Flames zamboni driver after a night out drinking (or something like that). This particular rumor also began after he was traded, not before.

The Flames were a team that were expected to do well last year, but struggled. Its not surprising that the media and fans began speculating that locker room discord was causing the team trouble, but Phaneuf wasn't the only name mentioned as a possible source of tension. If you choose to believe the rumors now, fine. But lets not pretend that most Flames fans had the same opinion last year.

[freeweed]

:previous: Welp, I guess if you have the Internet you heard every Calgarian's conversation last year.

All I can repeat (politely) is that you're wrong, you don't know half the story, and let's just say that Flames fans weren't exactly collectively shocked when Dion was traded. For a so-called "fan favourite" there was virtually zero anger or surprise here. Unlike, say, when Cammy was let go or hell, when they traded Lombo. THOSE got fans right pissed off. Whether you heard about it on the Internet or not.

As I've always had to repeat in life: just because you don't know about something doesn't make it not true.

[freeweed]

OK, we're into it, might as well finish.

Article from April 2009 (9 months before the trade). (http://www.faceoff.com/story.html?id=91e71c85-5582-4b2c-b4b8-0632cbb98736) Note how the team is already defending him against fan and media attacks:

"He feels the weight of the world on his shoulders,"Conroy said. "I'm like, 'First of all, don't read the papers. Don't let people affect you. You've just got to go out and play. Who cares what happened this whole year, whether they say it's good or bad? I mean, you have more points than me, and you're a defenceman.

"So I'm like, 'It can't be that bad.' "

Judging by emails to this newspaper, the fans think it's that bad -- or worse -- for the former Norris Trophy nominee.

"I don't know if he reads the papers or not or listens to it," Keenan said. "But he logs a lot of ice time. He has all year for us."

That ain't the talk about a "fan favourite". The wolves were circling even then. It only got worse in the 2009-10 season.

Incidentally, Dion appeared on the cover of NHL 09, and proceeded to have his worst year ever. The EA curse is alive and well. :haha:

[Nicko999]

Time for some ass kicking!

[Ayreonaut]

LOL, there's a 7-point difference between 8th and 9th in the East. In the West there are 7 points between 3rd and 14th.

7 of the league's 8 worst teams are in the East.

[Yume-sama]

Pretty sick dangle by Giroux to score the 5 - 3 goal in Montreal. The Flyers are good.

[Nicko999]

This is the weirdest game I've seen all season long...lol!
The Flyers had absolutely no business winning this game. And even after those unlucky bounces, we found a way the come back only to get robbed by the refs.

I don't like to criticize the refs (and I think Bill McCreary is one of the best) but if they call the high stick on Pouliot, the Flyers don't have that PP 30 seconds later and don't score the GW(in fact, WE have a PP).

I know they can't be perfect but that is a disgrace. Games shouldn't be decided on bad calls.

And before anyone decides to reply that I always blame the refs, please do me a favor and watch the replay. Stick to the face is an automatic.

That being said, we also made costly mistakes and Price looked human for the first time this season.

We lost because of:
1. Unlucky bounces for the Flyers
2. A refereeing mistake
3. Defense mistakes

[Yume-sama]

Don't worry. The Bruins also got royally screwed tonight by officiating, too.

1 Disallowed goal for "goaltender interference" with Ryan Miller 15 feet out of the net (and he never touched the puck at all), after being pushed in. Check.
1 Actually giving a penalty for the BS goaltender interference (which the Sabres scored on) instead of just waiving it off as usual. Check.
1 Blatant missed call with 2 minutes to go. Check.
1 Penalty to a player who is sitting on the bench for "unsportsmanlike conduct" with 90 seconds to go. Check.

The Bruins find new ways to lose when Rask is in net, though.

[freeweed]

1 Penalty to a player who is sitting on the bench for "unsportsmanlike conduct" with 90 seconds to go. Check.

I've actually witnessed this and it's not necessarily that hard to believe. Some guys have done some pretty crazy stuff while sitting. Not sure what the issue was tonight though.

Looks like Colorado has temporarily taken the division lead again. Heads up, Canucks fans who thought they'd be on top all season long. Maybe it's time to get a slight bit of hockey sense.

[Yume-sama]

I've actually witnessed this and it's not necessarily that hard to believe. Some guys have done some pretty crazy stuff while sitting. Not sure what the issue was tonight though.

Looks like Colorado has temporarily taken the division lead again. Heads up, Canucks fans who thought they'd be on top all season long. Maybe it's time to get a slight bit of hockey sense.

Well, lol, Lucic was beaking the referee over said "missed blatant penalty with 2 minutes to go". Somehow the officials all game called penalties, and it was always the very back official who couldn't even really see what was going on. Then, when they're both looking at the most obvious penalty yet, they ignore it.

The ref who was way back by centre ice called the goaltender interference penalty on the goal, while the one right in the play did nothing.

Anywho, if there's one thing every fan can agree on, the NHL officiating is wildly inconsistent from period to period, let alone from game to game.

[freeweed]

Anywho, if there's one thing every fan can agree on, the NHL officiating is wildly inconsistent from period to period, let alone from game to game.

The joy of having a truly shitty team is that you finally stop noticing the reffing, and just watch the game unfold. It's amazing how liberating this actually is. :haha:

[SpikePhanta]

I've actually witnessed this and it's not necessarily that hard to believe. Some guys have done some pretty crazy stuff while sitting. Not sure what the issue was tonight though.


Well sometimes its funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1angy_kjuk

[Tom Servo]

the blackhawks suck. price sucks. hockey sucks. i hate the avalanche. :yuck:

[Ayreonaut]

Actually its only 6

The other 2 spots belong to Alberta's finest :haha:

Well when I made my post it was true. Obviously things can change after eleven more games are played.

[The_Architect]

Wow the Northeast Division is terrible..
Montreal would be in 4th place in the Atlantic Division, and they lead the NE right now..

[Darkoshvilli]

Wow the Northeast Division is terrible..
Montreal would be in 4th place in the Atlantic Division, and they lead the NE right now..

Speak louder, I can't hear you from the basement.

Habs-B's tonight. We just cannot afford to lose this game. Neither can the B's.

[The_Architect]

Speak louder, I can't hear you from the basement.

Habs-B's tonight. We just cannot afford to lose this game. Neither can the B's.

I was saying the entire division sucks compared to others, I didn't say the Habs suck and the Leafs don't.. Read a post before saying something stupid.

[Calgarian]

Flames and Leafs tonight. Here's hoping Calgary welcomes Phaneuf and Sjostrom back by lighting up Giguere.

[Darkoshvilli]

I was saying the entire division sucks compared to others, I didn't say the Habs suck and the Leafs don't.. Read a post before saying something stupid.


I understood you're little post just fine there cupcake. No need to get pissy.

[The_Architect]

Flames and Leafs tonight. Here's hoping Calgary welcomes Phaneuf and Sjostrom back by lighting up Giguere.

How great would it be if both Phaneuf and Stajan scored?
I'd actually be fine with losing a shutout if it was Stajan who scored for the Flames. That being said it'll be either a good game, or Toronto is going to pull one of their inexplicable chokes and fall apart like they did against Edmonton at home.

[Calgarian]

How great would it be if both Phaneuf and Stajan scored?
I'd actually be fine with losing a shutout if it was Stajan who scored for the Flames. That being said it'll be either a good game, or Toronto is going to pull one of their inexplicable chokes and fall apart like they did against Edmonton at home.

Sjostrom score? what are you smoking? That guy is useless.

Looking forward to the game tonight though, sadly I'll be watching it at home. Here's hoping Hagman and Stajan score.

[Yume-sama]

Inexplicable? Really now~?

[The_Architect]

Sjostrom score? what are you smoking? That guy is useless.

Looking forward to the game tonight though, sadly I'll be watching it at home. Here's hoping Hagman and Stajan score.

I said Stajan... not Sjorstrom.

[theman23]

:previous: Welp, I guess if you have the Internet you heard every Calgarian's conversation last year.

All I can repeat (politely) is that you're wrong, you don't know half the story, and let's just say that Flames fans weren't exactly collectively shocked when Dion was traded. For a so-called "fan favourite" there was virtually zero anger or surprise here. Unlike, say, when Cammy was let go or hell, when they traded Lombo. THOSE got fans right pissed off. Whether you heard about it on the Internet or not.

As I've always had to repeat in life: just because you don't know about something doesn't make it not true.

I read the reaction of Flames fans on the internet. They were pissed. Maybe most of them were Flames fans from outside of Calgary, but the they were Flames fans.

Like a crazy old man once told me: just because you don't know about something doesn't make it not true.

[Yume-sama]

Flames fans were only upset when we realized it wasn't part of a bigger deal. :haha:

But, really, White did outperform Phaneuf. But... he's gone too, now. :koko:

And yeah, the Cammy / Lombo / Ference deals still sting most. All 3 wanted to play here, and all 3 are now top players on their new teams, and one is top 5 in league +/- consistently the last couple of years (Ference). Which is something no Flames player will ever be able to say for years to come :P

And honestly I'd rather have Ference than Bouwmeester, especially with contracts considered.

And Commodore. Another one that got away from Sutter :P

[theman23]

Anyways, all of this is tangential to the main point- theres no evidence that Phaneuf was a locker room problem. Its all rumour thats now taken as fact by Calgary fans because Phaneuf is no longer on their roster.

[Yume-sama]

I remember Sutter himself saying something about it. But, maybe he just tried to save his own behind.

As all the players insist otherwise.

[freeweed]

I read the reaction of Flames fans on the internet. They were pissed. Maybe most of them were Flames fans from outside of Calgary, but the they were Flames fans.

Like a crazy old man once told me: just because you don't know about something doesn't make it not true.

You read *some* reactions of Flames fans. I highly doubt you were having daily water cooler conversations about the Flames like folks here do.

We were pissed because the trade was horrible. Picking up players from one of the worst teams in the league? Go Sutter!

[freeweed]

Anyways, all of this is tangential to the main point- theres no evidence that Phaneuf was a locker room problem. Its all rumour thats now taken as fact by Calgary fans because Phaneuf is no longer on their roster.

There is plenty of evidence, and I even posted a link to a news story about it. I wish I had transcripts of call-ins to the after-game radio shows. There was quite a growing hostility to Phaneuf and a sense of relief when he was traded, at least by a lot of us.

But keep disbelieving, if that makes you happy. It doesn't change the facts.

[Yume-sama]

If anything Phaneuf was in a pissy mood because he'd get booed whenever he touched the puck. As a Flame.

He was nothing more than a scapegoat for a lacklustre team filled with old men who don't give a damn.

When we finally started playing young guys with heart and jump, we started to do better. But Sutter has an aversion to young players.

Phaneuf was considered to be like the "only" reason we lost 9 games in a row before he was traded. Yeah, alrighty then~

And yeah, sure, he *wasn't* doing anything, but he was one of our better players at the time, sadly.

[MrOilers]

The only thing that pissed off Flames fans with the Phaneuf trade is the Leafs' garbage they got in return.

Not many of them were sad to see him gone.

[Yume-sama]

The only thing that pissed off Flames fans with the Phaneuf trade is the Leafs' garbage they got in return.

Not many of them were sad to see him gone.

You'd really have thought we could get like, oh, I don't know... two firsts and a second.

It was a classic panic trade. You can't tell me a New Jersey or Boston wouldn't have overpaid severely for him at the time.

[MrOilers]

It was a classic panic trade.

Kind of like the Oilers-Ducks Pronger deal.