[Some guy]

Surprised there have not been any comments by Flames fans regarding tonight's game. Guess they just decided to hit the hay after a tough loss like that. Both teams played a great game, Canucks finish a perfect road trip with a 4-3 victory. :cheers:

Damn it Lou, why can't you just scoop the puck up and throw it away instead of giving up all of those easy goals???!!! :rolleyes:

[Ayreonaut]

Surprised there have not been any comments by Flames fans regarding tonight's game. Guess they just decided to hit the hay after a tough loss like that.

Considering that it was 2:30am, yeah, I did just that. I only caught the 3rd, which, while fast paced, didn't have too many great chances for either team. The Flames really had no idea what they were doing in the last 5 minutes. Bouwmeester passed on a great opportunity, and later shot from way out when he could have moved in several feet. They just lost composure at the end, even if they were on the attack for most of it.

[mintzilla]

flames fans better hope the season doesn't come down to a tie breaker at the end because from what i read about how the tie breaker works you guys would be on the losing side of it.

[Dwils01]

Washington is on a hot streak right now. They just beat Chicago in OT 4-3 and now have won their last 8 games. They are only 1 pt behind Philadelphia.

Buffalo is currently beating Ottawa 6-3 and it's late in the third so I think they will win it. And that means they will be 6 pts ahead of Toronto for 8th. I really don't think that Toronto will make the playoffs this year.

Calgary also needs to step it up. Even though there is only 5 pts between 8th and 3rd in the west, there is three other teams that are close to that last playoff spot.

[caltrane74]

Dont tell the Toronto Star the leafs are not gonna make the playoffs. Every morning they are on the Front page, with some stupid storey the leafs are on fire. I say wait for next year.

[jigglysquishy]

There is a great chance the Flames will make the playoffs and a decent chance the Leafs will.

There's still 10 games left. A lot can change.

[SpikePhanta]

The more canadian teams in the playoffs the better! :-D

[The_Architect]

I was at the Buffalo-Leafs game on Saturday, great game!
First win for us on HNIC this season! (It was out good luck charm last season). AND Tyler Bozak scored!

And I gotta say, anyone who says the ACC has no atmosphere had to be there on Saturday, the place was electric, even the players said they could feel the atmosphere in there, it was fantastic!
Something I haven't seen in person since playoff hockey..

[Yume-sama]

Some new video of Hal Gill attempting to murder Jon Sim has surfaced, and the entire Montreal crowd cheered it!
http://video.canadiens.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hlg=20092010,2,149&event=MTL476

Is it too late to open a criminal investigation?

The Canadiens even thought it highlight worthy! What a despicable, violent, organization.

[Darkoshvilli]

Hahahah if you think that was as bad as the Chara thing you're out of your mind.:haha:

[The_Architect]

Some new video of Hal Gill attempting to murder Jon Sim has surfaced, and the entire Montreal crowd cheered it!
http://video.canadiens.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hlg=20092010,2,149&event=MTL476

Is it too late to open a criminal investigation?

The Canadiens even thought it highlight worthy! What a despicable, violent, organization.

Officially the most hypocritical fanbase.

You brought this upon yourselves!

[Yume-sama]

Hahahah if you think that was as bad as the Chara thing you're out of your mind.:haha:

End result, no. Exact same hit, yes...

Too many people are confusing the end result being bad with what actually happened.

HNIC showed like a dozen examples of the exact same hit happening, it happens many many times per year.

But that doesn't mean we shouldn't get rid of the turnbuckle even being there. I agree with Milbury saying get rid of it.

Have a LONG automatic suspension (10 games, like coming on the ice to fight) for any player who crosses in to the other teams bench.

[The_Architect]

End result, no. Exact same hit, yes...


You're wrong, it isn't the exact same hit.

This time a Montreal player did it, not the other way around, see?

[Calgarian]

You're wrong, it isn't the exact same hit.

This time a Montreal player did it, not the other way around, see?

When a Montreal player does it, it's finishing your check, when it happens to a Canadiens player, it's dirty. C'mon Montreal fans, take off the rose coloured glasses for once.

[Yume-sama]

When a Montreal player does it, it's finishing your check, when it happens to a Canadiens player, it's dirty. C'mon Montreal fans, take off the rose coloured glasses for once.

They're not rose coloured.

They are blanc bleu et rouge!

http://www.jfedor.org/red-blue-quake2/red-blue-glasses.jpg

[Darkoshvilli]

I can't believe what im reading. Are you all honestly so stupid that you can't even see the one BIG difference between the two hits? Gill has his back to the stanchion the entire time and is backing up while he shoves the other player? In other words, Gill has no idea where the stanchion actually is. Besides, Gill doesn't even push the other guy towards the stanchion like Chara did.

Chara was chasing Pac towards the stanchion and was facing it the entire time before he sent him into the post. I can't believe I even have to explain this to you people.

[Yume-sama]

Well, he should be *aware* of where he is on the ice, shouldn't he ;)

[Darkoshvilli]

So you agree that both situations are completely different and even trying to compare them is making you look foolish?

Good.

[Yume-sama]

Nope. Still gonna press for him to be charged with attempted murder.

Afterall, it doesn't matter *how* it happened as we've learned, he clearly had the intent to do it.

I just hope the statute of limitations isn't up!

[The_Architect]

So you agree that both situations are completely different and even trying to compare them is making you look foolish?

Good.

Pst. We're mocking Habs fans. You know, because they overreact to everything and are a bunch of hypocrites?

Obviously they aren't the same hit. But the Ryan Smyth hit and Pac hit are virtually identical except for the result and Johnson isn't 6'9".

Get a clue.

[Darkoshvilli]

Pst. We're mocking Habs fans. You know, because they overreact to everything and are a bunch of hypocrites?

Obviously they aren't the same hit. But the Ryan Smyth hit and Pac hit are virtually identical except for the result and Johnson isn't 6'9".

Get a clue.

Thats cute.

Have the leafs made the playoffs yet?

The funny thing is you'd be crying bloody murder if this happened to one of your best players, so save me the bullshit.

[Yume-sama]

You're just upset that because when I watch this video:
http://video.canadiens.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hlg=20092010,2,149&event=MTL476

With my Habs Vision 3000 blanc bleu et rouge goggles that I stole out of Nicko's backpack:
http://www.jfedor.org/red-blue-quake2/red-blue-glasses.jpg

I am able to clearly read Hal Gill's brainwaves and translate his thoughts. In case your pair is not handy, he is saying;

"Rawr. Must break Jon Sim's face. Jon Sim bad."

That's pretty much conclusive proof of intent. Because once upon a time Jon Sim made a smirky comment to Hal Gill, probably.

And also, Hal Gill not being suspended is conclusive proof of an NHL - Canadiens secret agenda.

[Coldrsx]

Just renewed Oiler season tickets for 2011/12... I guess.

[Darkoshvilli]

Someone seems a little bitter ^^

I don't know why though, you should be kissing Buttmans butt for having your back. I wonder if Campbell goes around telling opposing players not to hit him too hard or else he'll tell daddy.

[Yume-sama]

Just renewed Oiler season tickets for 2011/12... I guess.

Did they do any increase?

I renewed my Flames last week. They actually went down 3%.

That probably means concessions went up 30% and parking will increase from $13 to $15.

[Coldrsx]

^up about 2%, but we get 2% back for renewing by this week so 0% i guess.

[Yume-sama]

That's pretty good. I was actually so shocked I almost called them asking if there was some mistake.

I'm used to double digit increases.

[The_Architect]

Thats cute.

Have the leafs made the playoffs yet?

The funny thing is you'd be crying bloody murder if this happened to one of your best players, so save me the bullshit.

Lol actually no.
Only you habs fans do that.

Did we cry for a life suspension, or call the police when Hossa made Bryan Berard blind in one eye? No. Because we are rational.

What does playoffs have to do with anything that we're talking about? Talk about troll fail.

Keep trying bud.

[Darkoshvilli]

Are you seriously bringing the Bedard accident up right now?

Wow. This keeps getting better.:haha:

Not only that, but your a liar too.

[Calgarian]

Did they do any increase?

I renewed my Flames last week. They actually went down 3%.

That probably means concessions went up 30% and parking will increase from $13 to $15.

I'm actually surprised they didn't jack up the prices. The Flames want a new barn and all 3 levels of gov't have said they have no interest in paying for any of it, so I would think they would be trying to raise as much money as possible.

[Yume-sama]

Well, the dirty little secret all season is that the announced sellouts aren't always... sold out. You can see a lot (no Phoenix, but relatively lol) of empty seats everywhere.

Of course, there's still at least 17,000 - 18,000 people there, so they're not exactly about to re-locate to Kansas City :P It's been remarkably easy to get tickets to any Flames game (except say, Toronto or Montreal in town) the last 2 years, even showing up to the box office 5 minutes before game. I wouldn't be surprised to see Game Day prices come down, too. They're 30% - 50% higher than season ticket holder prices!

[Calgarian]

I can't believe what im reading. Are you all honestly so stupid that you can't even see the one BIG difference between the two hits? Gill has his back to the stanchion the entire time and is backing up while he shoves the other player? In other words, Gill has no idea where the stanchion actually is. Besides, Gill doesn't even push the other guy towards the stanchion like Chara did.

Chara was chasing Pac towards the stanchion and was facing it the entire time before he sent him into the post. I can't believe I even have to explain this to you people.

The difference was that Pacioretty played for the Habs and got hurt, while Gill was the guy who hurt someone.

I don't give a rats ass what way the player is looking, they are supposed to be aware of where they are on the ice, and Gill obviously wasn't, and as a result he hit a player into the Stanchion. Chara did not push Pacioretty towards the stanchion, he angled him out on the boards, and unfortunately pacioretty hit the stanchion. Like I said, take off the glasses and watch it objectively, I don't see anything that would make me think otherwise. If Chara had one hand on the back of Max's head, directing it toward the stanchion, then absolutely, call the cops and protest all you want.

Hockey is a tough game and sometimes shit happens and players get hurt. If you can't handle that, go watch a pansy sport like Baseball.

[Yume-sama]

Hockey is a tough game and sometimes shit happens and players get hurt. If you can't handle that, go watch a pansy sport like Baseball.

They tried that. The Expos had to leave cuz a Red Sox player hit an Expo with a fly ball and they could swear they saw his eyes and he was aiming for his head, causing Montreal to riot and burn down the stadium.

:yes:

[Darkoshvilli]

Anyone with half a brain can see that Chara intentionally shoved him into the stanchion. Hell, many nhl'ers thought the same, maybe they should switch to a pansy sport like baseball as well?

What a load of shit.

[Yume-sama]

Many NHL'ers = Tanner Glass.

[freeweed]

Well, the dirty little secret all season is that the announced sellouts aren't always... sold out. You can see a lot (no Phoenix, but relatively lol) of empty seats everywhere.

Of course, there's still at least 17,000 - 18,000 people there, so they're not exactly about to re-locate to Kansas City :P It's been remarkably easy to get tickets to any Flames game (except say, Toronto or Montreal in town) the last 2 years, even showing up to the box office 5 minutes before game. I wouldn't be surprised to see Game Day prices come down, too. They're 30% - 50% higher than season ticket holder prices!

My understanding is that they're all selling out, but very much at the last minute in many cases. Hell, they've been advertising how great it is to wait until the last minute to buy tickets all season (seriously, is it just me or are those commercials just a tad backwards?). The "tickets still available" email seems to come for about 70-80% of games this year. A couple of years ago, it was maybe 10-20% of the time. PS: I got that email for the Leafs game, it made me laugh very hard. Imagine any other Canadian team not selling out...

The empty seats is more a case of people not thinking the product is worth getting to every night. They're sold, but people stay home. I've had a couple of games where I've almost had to beg people to take my tickets when I can't use them (teams like Phoenix or Dallas in town). It's shocking compared to just a few years ago. Also, I believe Sport Chek tickets are considered "sold" even if SC hasn't sold them - that's 600 or so per game from what I remember. Sitting in the SC zone as we do, we definitely see a lot of empty seats many nights. It's rather nice actually because we have some breathing room. The guys next to us are also STHs and their tickets have gone unused at least 5-6 times this year.

I don't think the Flames are inflating their numbers quite yet, but yeah - there's no question the renewal package had a note of "please keep supporting us even though we've sucked for a while now".

[Ayreonaut]

Anyone with half a brain can see that Chara intentionally shoved him into the stanchion.

I may have averaged 91% on my last round of mid-terms, but apparently I am not smarter than a 5th grader Habs fan.

[Yume-sama]

They probably want fans to wait until the "last minute" to buy Flames tickets because that's when they're most expensive lol

Which also seems backwards :P

[Calgarian]

What a load of shit.

That sums up your post perfectly.

[The_Architect]

Are you seriously bringing the Bedard accident up right now?

Wow. This keeps getting better.:haha:

Not only that, but your a liar too.

Both were accidents. Not that bad of an injury has happened to a Leafs player since so ya. I'm bringing it up.

What exactly am I lying about? You're the only liar I see here.

[Darkoshvilli]

That sums up your post perfectly.

It actually sums up 90% of the contents of your brain.

[touraccuracy]

in other news the canucks are still kicking ass. president's and art ross?

[Darkoshvilli]

i'd say this has probably been going on long enough but then this wouldn't be the canadian nhl thread, would it?

People actually moved on but one special Bruins fan decided to bring it all back up.

[Yume-sama]

Just because someone doesn't agree with your version of history doesn't make them a Bruins fan. Bruins fan with Calgary Flames season tickets. In Calgary.

Anyways, the video is making its way around the web, so it is once again relevant (and not just because that's still all people are whining about in Montreal). I certainly didn't dig through 2 years of Habs highlights to find it lol I do agree I am special though. Merci :D

[freeweed]

Back in October/November, I never thought that another fanbase would become more annoying than Canucks fans this season, but wow how times have changed. They've become pretty much rational and objective (I see and hear "cautious optimism" now instead of "OMG NO OTHER CANADIAN TEAM MATTERS" like was parroted for a few months), while another team's fans have gone completely bonkers.

Pretty funny. Hell, even Leaves fans are acting level-headed and reasonable lately. And those that know my posting history can well imagine how it pains me to say that.

[Calgarian]

It actually sums up 90% of the contents of your brain.

That's ironic since you are the one spewing BS all over this thread.

Either way, I seriously doubt Chara intended to hurt Pacioretty the way he did. I understand that Habs fans are upset at the loss of a fairly promising player. But lets be rational about it, if you want Chara to be reprimanded for this type of hit, then it's only fair that a Habs player be reprimanded for a very similar hit that could have resulted in more serious injury. I'm done arguing what Chara's intent was, and I think we should move on.

So here's my question, what can we do to prevent things like this from happening again? lots of players have been seriously hurt by being hit into the stanchion and I don't think there's any excuse for it. I think adding more padding should be the first step, though it is only a band-aid solution. Should the glass run in front of the players and penalty boxes to prevent something like this, or would there be another solution that would work/

[Urban_Genius]

Are all hab fans this immature and illogical?
Holy jeez..
Reading through the last couple pages has been pretty funny.

Anyways, the playoffs can't come soon enough. AVS with another top three pick :rolleyes: :banana:

[Ayreonaut]

AVS with another top three pick :rolleyes: :banana:

Did anyone see that coming even well into the season?

I thought they'd be a solid 4th or 5th seed, but their post-Christmas record is abysmal (no idea how bad, though).

[Yume-sama]

The Stewart trade still perplexes me. So does the Anderson trade.

Like wtf, Avs? Losers of 18 of the last 19 now. Let's hope Calgary doesn't play the role of "streak breaker" like years of past.

[freeweed]

Like wtf, Avs? Losers of 18 of the last 19 now. Let's hope Calgary doesn't play the role of "streak breaker" like years of past.

The Flames have been big slump busters recently. We also like to be present for "first NHL goal" type nights - and seeing as we almost never have rookies, you can guess which team is scoring those.

[Calgarian]

Did anyone see that coming even well into the season?

I thought they'd be a solid 4th or 5th seed, but their post-Christmas record is abysmal (no idea how bad, though).

I think the Avs and Flames got together and decided to switch places or something, the teams have been almost polar opposites.

[Calgarian]

The Flames have been big slump busters recently. We also like to be present for "first NHL goal" type nights - and seeing as we almost never have rookies, you can guess which team is scoring those.

The Flames seem to be on the wrong end of players of all types breaking / setting records. It's really bizzare.

[Nicko999]

Many NHL'ers = Tanner Glass.

Listen I know you're a Bruins fan and we will disagree on the hit but please, don't post BS like that.

List of people that have spoken against NHL's decision:
Eager
H. Sedin
Thornton
Schenn
Lupul
MacCarthur
Eller
Price
Gomez
Pierre Mcguire
Steve Koulas
Tanner Glass
Landsberg

You can also throw in the Vancouver Canucks and the Calgary Flames as well...
There might be more but these are the people I know!

When the Hart and Art Ross trophy winner publicly says Chara lied and doesn't understand NHL's decision, you have to wonder what the actual value of Gregory Campbell is.


Pacioretty tipped the puck in the Bruins zone... the puck is now away!!!

http://bit.ly/gBwUJp

Chara grabs Pacioretty's arm... penalty. That's the interference call most of you talk about!
http://bit.ly/hzW9Cf

He then magically pushes Pacioretty RIGHT INTO THE STANCHION.
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/7392/scr1300143542.png

Chara later said he didn't know where the turnbuckle was...
Then he said he didn't know it was Pacioretty...

Chara has played 915 games...and is know as one of the best d-man in the league. In fact he won a Norris trophy in 08-09. He doesn't know which players are on the ice... give me a break.

[Yume-sama]

Sedin merely spoke of the fact that you now can't suspend someone for the similar play. Which is well established in NHL history, as Hal Gill is currently not serving life in prison for that same hit on Jon Sim. Nor is RJ Umberger for his hit on Drew Doughty last week, or Jack Johnson for the exact same hit on Ryan Smyth.

“Exactly,” Sedin said. “What are you doing to do the next time Trevor Gillies comes down and runs a guy into the thing? You can't give him anything. And you tell the guys [Chara] has no history, so the next time he does it he still has no history because he didn't get suspended.”


Indeed really nobody you mentioned spoke that ill about Chara.

[Darkoshvilli]

Listen I know you're a Bruins fan and we will disagree on the hit but please, don't post BS like that.

List of people that have spoken against NHL's decision:
Eager
H. Sedin
Thornton
Schenn
Lupul
MacCarthur
Eller
Price
Gomez
Pierre Mcguire
Steve Koulas
Tanner Glass
Landsberg

You can also throw in the Vancouver Canucks and the Calgary Flames as well...
There might be more but these are the people I know!

When the Hart and Art Ross trophy winner publicly says Chara lied and doesn't understand NHL's decision, you have to wonder what the actual value of Gregory Campbell is.


Pacioretty tipped the puck in the Bruins zone... the puck is now away!!!

http://bit.ly/gBwUJp

Chara grabs Pacioretty's arm... penalty. That's the interference call most of you talk about!
http://bit.ly/hzW9Cf

He then magically pushes Pacioretty RIGHT INTO THE STANCHION.
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/7392/scr1300143542.png

Chara later said he didn't know where the turnbuckle was...
Then he said he didn't know it was Pacioretty...

Chara has played 915 games...and is know as one of the best d-man in the league. In fact he won a Norris trophy in 08-09. He doesn't know which players are on the ice... give me a break.
Great post nicko. Unfortunately most here will write all you said off as "habs whining" because they're just too little-minded. They'll just brush off all the facts away and instead call you a sissy. Its just easier that way.

[Darkoshvilli]

Kerry Fraser on OTR:

Montreal fans have every reason to be upset, and that previously he had only seen the hit on YT but that now that he saw the other angle at TSN he believes Chara deliberately directed Pacioretty into the stanchion.

[Nicko999]

Sedin merely spoke of the fact that you now can't suspend someone for the similar play. Which is well established in NHL history, as Hal Gill is currently not serving life in prison for that same hit on Jon Sim. Nor is RJ Umberger for his hit on Drew Doughty last week, or Jack Johnson for the exact same hit on Ryan Smyth.



Indeed really nobody you mentioned spoke that ill about Chara.

You say I quote only specific part of articles but what's that then.:haha: Here is another quote:

Vancouver Canucks captain Henrik Sedin doesn't understand why the National Hockey League exonerated Boston Bruin Zdeno Chara, but San Jose Shark Joe Thornton has an idea.

...

“I'll tell you this: if you say that you don't know where things are around the ice, I think you're not telling the truth,” Sedin said. “You play the game for 20 years, you know it's there

...

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/stars+Henrik+Sedin+Thornton+into+Zdeno+Chara+decision+Bruins/4419822/story.html#ixzz1Gci30CTq


What a mess: Bruins star needed to sit for a long while and think about what he did

By Cam Cole, Vancouver Sun columnist

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/That+hockey+still+whistling+after+Zdeno+Chara+Pacioretty/4412423/story.html#ixzz1GcjGiuyR


I have plenty other non-Habs article that say Chara should be suspended for a long-time but I won't bother because this is disgusting...Chara and the Bruins are disgusting. It's not the first time they ruin someone's career (Zednik in 2002) and it certainly not the last!

Anyway I'm done with this.

[Yume-sama]

Should I start listing names of players whose careers have *actually* been ruined by hits the Habs have delivered? Let's start with DiMaio and Van Ryn.

Good, I hope you are done with this :P I'm rather tired of hearing about it everywhere.

[Nicko999]

This quote made my day, SOOOO true!!!

An Eastern player said we wouldn't see a lot of harsh criticism of Chara from that conference because teams have to deal with him and the Bruins. There was some mild stuff (Steve Montador, Brooks Laich), but the harder quotes came from the West (Henrik Sedin, Joe Thornton, Ryane Clowe). Either the player is pretty insightful, or there's an honesty potion in the Pacific Ocean.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/elliottefriedman/2011/03/pacioretty-fallout-plus-30-thoughts.html

It looks like the players think Chara IS dirty!!!

Now back to hockey plz.

[Elmira Guy]

Good God! What a bunch of whining sissies!!!

[Acajack]

The Montreal Canadiens are probably the most hated team in the NHL. They are similar to the New York Yankees in MLB and the Dallas Cowboys in the NFL. Same goes for their fans.

So when people here claim that the fact that opinions in the other NHL cities is unanimous that the hit wasn't a big deal is somehow indicative that they are all right and Hab fans are wrong... I beg to differ.

The opinion of Lorne and Vern on the Flames or Leafs call-in show is about as valid and impartial as Ti-Jean and Ti-Jos calling into the Les Amateurs de Sport and claiming the hit was by far the worst in NHL history...

[freeweed]

No, it looks like some players think Chara made a dirty hit. Words have meaning. Some != all. Some != most. Some doesn't even mean many. It means some. I see a list of maybe 10% of the league. I don't think it would be too hard to find an equally long list that have said "meh, it's was a clean hit", but I can't be bothered.

Because you still refuse to even listen to the plain and simple fact that this hit has happened before, will happen again, and there won't be cries for attempted murder charges unless it happens against a Canadiens player. Until you can find conclusive evidence that a) this was more than simple interference (even this is still debatable, considering how many non calls happen in this league), b) this was worse than other very similar hits, and c) this was the worst, most violent hit in a decade (remember, we're talking CRIMINAL CHARGES), then you're full of shit.

By the way, those pictures show Chara and Patches coming together without about 6 guys left on the bench. An NHL player at the shoulders is at most 3 feet wide, so that's about 18 feet or so. Let's be generous and call it 20 feet. Now, take the speed these guys skate at and do some math, and tell me exactly how much time elapsed from "going in to make a check" and "oh fuck, there's a turnbuckle". Guys hit each other into the player's benches all the freaking time. 99.99% of the time, it doesn't end up at the turnbuckle. I challenge any one of you to prove you have the reflexes quick enough to make the snap decision in the fraction of a second Chara had there.

If anything, those pictures are even more exonerating, once you take into account simple physics.

You know why people are calling Habs fans whiners? I've never, in my decades of following hockey, seen so much whining. Not even close. Unless you honestly and truly believe this is the worst hit in the modern history of the NHL, then yes, you're pretty much the definition of whiners. With everything that's happened, all the dirty hits, all the uncalled for attacking officials, all the chickenshit lopsided fights, all the deliberate attempts to injure - THIS is the worst? Give me a break.

Jesus, even Crosby's legions of fanboys had the sense to shut up when they realized it was basically a clean if unfortunate hit. And those people have been some of the worst of recent memory.

[Acajack]

No, it looks like some players think Chara made a dirty hit. Words have meaning. Some != all. Some != most. Some doesn't even mean many. It means some. I see a list of maybe 10% of the league. I don't think it would be too hard to find an equally long list that have said "meh, it's was a clean hit", but I can't be bothered.

Because you still refuse to even listen to the plain and simple fact that this hit has happened before, will happen again, and there won't be cries for attempted murder charges unless it happens against a Canadiens player. Until you can find conclusive evidence that a) this was more than simple interference (even this is still debatable, considering how many non calls happen in this league), b) this was worse than other very similar hits, and c) this was the worst, most violent hit in a decade (remember, we're talking CRIMINAL CHARGES), then you're full of shit.

By the way, those pictures show Chara and Patches coming together without about 6 guys left on the bench. An NHL player at the shoulders is at most 3 feet wide, so that's about 18 feet or so. Let's be generous and call it 20 feet. Now, take the speed these guys skate at and do some math, and tell me exactly how much time elapsed from "going in to make a check" and "oh fuck, there's a turnbuckle". Guys hit each other into the player's benches all the freaking time. 99.99% of the time, it doesn't end up at the turnbuckle. I challenge any one of you to prove you have the reflexes quick enough to make the snap decision in the fraction of a second Chara had there.

If anything, those pictures are even more exonerating, once you take into account simple physics.

You know why people are calling Habs fans whiners? I've never, in my decades of following hockey, seen so much whining. Not even close. Unless you honestly and truly believe this is the worst hit in the modern history of the NHL, then yes, you're pretty much the definition of whiners. With everything that's happened, all the dirty hits, all the uncalled for attacking officials, all the chickenshit lopsided fights, all the deliberate attempts to injure - THIS is the worst? Give me a break.

Jesus, even Crosby's legions of fanboys had the sense to shut up when they realized it was basically a clean if unfortunate hit. And those people have been some of the worst of recent memory.

I was actually sort of making fun of Ti-Jean, Ti-Louis, Ti-Jos, etc. who think it is the worst hit in NHL history...

As for the players, I'd say most players in the NHL tend to refrain from commenting on crap like this - either way.

[freeweed]

I was actually sort of making fun of Ti-Jean, Ti-Louis, Ti-Jos, etc. who think it is the worst hit in NHL history...

As for the players, I'd say most players in the NHL tend to refrain from commenting on crap like this - either way.

Hahaha. That was.. unfortunate timing. My comment was in no way directed towards yourself, and I just noticed your earlier comment now. Heh. Whoops. Funny to see "worst in history" in your comment; you must have posted just as I started typing mine.

[Acajack]

Hahaha. That was.. unfortunate timing. My comment was in no way directed towards yourself, and I just noticed your earlier comment now. Heh. Whoops. Funny to see "worst in history" in your comment; you must have posted just as I started typing mine.

Pretty funny indeed.

BTW - just for your info I just heard a French version of the ''I've fallen and I can't get up'' infamous ad for the very first time! It was just on TV a few seconds ago!

[Nicko999]

Subban is so disrespectful... :no:

“I think Max might be getting more headaches from me texting him all the time than from the concussion,” joked Subban. “I sent him one after the Pittsburgh game to say that we got the big win for him and he answered back saying to keep winning so he could come get back into the lineup. That was a great thing to hear from him.”

http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=555999

BTW-Congrats to the Canucks for hitting the century mark... WOW! What a season the whole team has had.

[SpikePhanta]

The chase for the art ross is gonna be intense at the end of the year.

Final game for Tbay = Sat Apr 9, 2011 4 PM PST
Final game for Van = Sat Apr 9, 2011 7 PM PST vs. Calgary

Hey Flames, maybe if you guys already clinched a spot, give some points to the sedins :P ?

[freeweed]

The chase for the art ross is gonna be intense at the end of the year.

Final game for Tbay = Sat Apr 9, 2011 4 PM PST
Final game for Van = Sat Apr 9, 2011 7 PM PST vs. Calgary

Hey Flames, maybe if you guys already clinched a spot, give some points to the sedins :P ?

I'm calling it right now. Calgary will be knocked out of playoff contention, in that game, due to a hat trick by a Sedin. Which also clinches the scoring trophies. Well OK, maybe just the one trophy.

[freeweed]

Thank you Tampa, and thank you Vancouver. :worship:

[LeftCoaster]

Much obliged.

[The_Architect]

Kerry Fraser on OTR:

Montreal fans have every reason to be upset, and that previously he had only seen the hit on YT but that now that he saw the other angle at TSN he believes Chara deliberately directed Pacioretty into the stanchion.

Of all people.. you quote KERRY FRASER for proof.

I literally almost burst my spleen from laughing so hard. Kerry freaking Fraser. Great example.


Anyways it seems that the Leafs' little collapse yesterday against Tampa all but diminished any hope of the 8th spot. Technically it's still possible, but they've lost a lot of their momentum, and still have their insane schedule to deal with.

I'm personally looking forward to the games against the 1988 Oilers, the Red Army, and the Iceland team from the Junior Goodwill Games. Uh oh, and Gunnar Stahl always shoots glove side too! Better work on that Reimer..

[Darkoshvilli]

Kerry Fraser has reffed how many games? Probably more games than days that you've been alive, evidenced by your brilliant posts.:haha:

[The_Architect]

Kerry Fraser has reffed how many games? Probably more games than days that you've been alive, evidenced by your brilliant posts.:haha:

Speak for yourself there chief.

He's also blown how many major calls?

Cost at least one team a Stanley Cup appearance and another team an actual Stanley Cup in 03/04!

He has proven his incompetence many times in his career, and I would trust his opinion only above Stephane Auger.

[Flamesrule]

It just gets very annoying when you have been arguing for over a week, and you can' understand the other side of the story. (hit)

It just seems like you can't take no for a answer, or it seems like that you can't say you were somewhat wrong.



This is to Darko, not to The Architect.

[Flamesrule]

I still don't get how the Chara shove was a "dirty" play?

Sure, he shoved him into the boards, but he didn't mean to shove him into the turnbuckle. The "hit" was a softie.

[Darkoshvilli]

Why are you bringing up the Chara thing again?

Habs vs Caps tonight. Im kinda worried, the caps are insane right now and they'll surely want to stick it to us for last year now that their good again. Although I don't doubt for a second that Price can win us this game by himself with the way he's been playing lately.

[Flamesrule]

Look again, I posted on the subject mainly yesterday and thats about it.

Do you know what a week means?

This is hilarious, I've managed to rile up a bunch of people from behind a computer screen.

It's not just The Architect you've been been ignorant to, it's tons of members on this thread.

And yes, I know what a week means, if I didn't then I wouldn't say it. I'm not stupid.

[Coldrsx]

LOCKED UP, a top pick that is...

We seem to always get killed by injuries, among other fatal issues.

"Ales Hemsky is on his way for season ending shoulder surgery, joining Taylor Hall (sprained ankle), Sam Gagner (severed wrist tendon) and Ryan Whitney (ankle..."

[Nicko999]

Habs vs Caps tonight. Im kinda worried, the caps are insane right now and they'll surely want to stick it to us for last year now that their good again. Although I don't doubt for a second that Price can win us this game by himself with the way he's been playing lately.

The Habs have ended some of the longest winning streaks in the last few years. I'm not worried about good teams, we are 19-7-3 against playoffs teams (25-10-3 if you include the West).
It's against weaker teams that I worry the most.

From Pacioretty's twitter...
Going to the game tonight to show the boys some support.. going to be good to see everyone again.. #biggame
http://twitter.com/MaxPacioretty67

Hopefully that gives them an even bigger boost!!!

[Nicko999]

Great... Plekanec and Halpern are now injured. You know the situation is bad when Plekanec, the ironman of the team didn't finish the game. He has never been injured in his career... never!!! He was walking as he left the Bell Centre so there is hope.:Titanic:

As for the game, extremely lucky first goal by Washington so the referees decided to give us a little gift.:P Extremely impressed by the Capitals! Ovechkin might not be producing at the same pace he's used too but he's still very effective for the Caps.

Carey Price is going to be a VERY strong candidate for the Hart... With Markov, Gorges, Spacek, Sopel, Pacioretty, Darche, Halpern and Plekanec (I hope not...:() out, no way we're 13 games above .500?

[Yume-sama]

Great... Plekanec and Halpern are now injured.

Damn, whose going to jail now? :P

But that sucks. What happened to them?

[The Chemist]

Looks like the injury woes that the Flames are having at centre are going to kill their playoff hopes. :(

[SpikePhanta]

Nice Canucks clinch playoff spot and division!

[Nicko999]

Damn, whose going to jail now? :P

But that sucks. What happened to them?

Probably something we didn't see on camera for both... but Halpern was walking very slowly and I suspect he will be out long term. Plekanec left the Bell Centre walking normally so I really hope it's something minor. I'm almost shocked he left the game... he's the last player on the team I would expect to get injured.

Anyway, it's been depressing with all those injuries. I don't care how much depth your team has, missing 8 regular players will hurt you.

At least there was some good news tonight...

PACIORETTY VISITS TEAMMATES, SAYS RECOVERY AHEAD OF SCHEDULE

MONTREAL -- Max Pacioretty visited the Montreal Canadiens before they faced the Washington Capitals Tuesday night, and brought some good news with him.

Pacioretty told his teammates that he was ahead of schedule in his recovery and that he hasn't been experiencing any concussion symptoms.

"The fracture in his neck has to heal but he doesn't have concussion symptoms and that's the key part," said defenceman James Wisniewski. "We've seen guys miss a significant part of time this year with headaches and stuff like that so for him to get out here and come to a game it's important and really meant a lot."

...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=358202

[freeweed]

Looks like the injury woes that the Flames are having at centre are going to kill their playoff hopes. :(

Yeah, I have to agree. And it's pretty sad, because we're not exactly injury-ridden. It's almost embarrassing compared to Montreal or Edmonton. But, without Morrison, our "top line" is anything but. On 960 on the drive home they mentioned that he really calms Tanguay down and stops his incessant desire to always pass to Iginla, which was very evident tonight until Sutter separated them.

I have a very hard time seeing the Flames make the playoffs now. They have to play near-perfect for the final 10 games - at least 15 points I'd say. The only reason they're even in playoff position right now is that the teams below them keep losing. 3 straight losses in a conference as good and tight as this one means golf in April, most times. Too bad we didn't play in the east.

[Calgarian]

I also agree about the Flames, they will be hard pressed to make the playoffs. I don't expect them to pull it off, they seem to have lost the momentum they built in January and February. I wonder if they maybe peaked too soon.

Either way, I think most fans will be satisfied with the result though, this turnaround gave us something to cheer about when it looked like the season was all but done.

[freeweed]

Either way, I think most fans will be satisfied with the result though, this turnaround gave us something to cheer about when it looked like the season was all but done.

It's funny... the crowd at the Saddledome this year has been eerily quiet. Even during much of the Jan/Feb run, sure we cheered and booed, but no one REALLY seemed into it.

Last night's game felt like a playoff game at times. It was really loud and rowdy. Good to see the fanbase once again fired up about the team, unfortunately it's looking to be a lost cause.

[Yume-sama]

I'd have rather have had a high draft pick than finish 9th :P

Now we just stay the same mediocre talent with no good prospects.

[You Need A Thneed]

If we beat the teams that we should beat, we're still in good shape.

2 games aginst both Colorada and Edmonton. If Calgary wins all four of those games, really they only need to win 3 of their other 6 games to make the playoffs. THe last game of the season will in all likelihood mean absolutely nothing for Vancouver, so Calgary might get a break there too.

Of course we need to beat those teams first, but no reason to panic, yet. The out of town scoreboard yesterday sure helped.

Two wins vs Anaheim would go a long way to making sure we finish ahead of them. Those games are pretty critical - well, I suppose every game is critical.

Realistically the Flames likely need to go 7-3 or 6-2-2 in their last ten to make the playoffs.

[Ayreonaut]

Yeah, other than against Anaheim we didn't really lose ground last night. Dallas and Nashville both lost in regulation.
The Flames still control their own fate; plenty of winnable games left (we play StL again too), and some crucial nights against California teams.

[Yume-sama]

In news that will shock everyone in Ottawa; Dany Heatley hit somebody lastnight. And he might be suspended for it.

Brad Marchand is also going to have a hearing, and should get a 2 - 3 game suspension, based on the same decision last week.

Now the NHL just has to worry about Columbus pressing vandalism charges on Chara for breaking the glass with a slapshot last night.

[Nicko999]

Halpern and Plekanec are "day-to-day" so the Habs called up Aaron Palushaj and Nigel Dawes from Hamilton.

We might play tommorow's game without 8 regulars.:shrug:

[Ayreonaut]

I can't believe Dawes isn't a regular somewhere in the NHL.

[Calgarian]

Dawes was decent with the Flames, but he went long stretches where he was basically invisible out there.

[freeweed]

Dawes was decent with the Flames, but he went long stretches where he was basically invisible out there.

Considering we still ice Stajan every night... hmm, no further comment needed.

[Calgarian]

Considering we still ice Stajan every night... hmm, no further comment needed.

lol, true dat

[The_Architect]

Well that was a much better game than Monday..

Reimer shows that his confidence can't be shot, no matter how shaky he was in the previous game, he was solid.
Double Dion got 2 goals, on the POWERPLAY!
12 seconds after Phaneuf's 2nd goal, Tyler Bozak scores..

Overall a great game, hopefully they put up the same effort tomorrow vs. Florida.

[The_Architect]

I really hope the Flames make it into the 8th and final playoff spot. They'd be easy pickings for the Canucks.

That's just asking for an upset... :P

[SpikePhanta]

That's just asking for an upset... :P

Yeah, we all know what happened the last time we underestimated the flames.
_________
HOOF PRINTS: Former Moose defenceman Evan Oberg suffered a serious injury in a game on Sunday. The Rochester Americans defenceman was hit from behind by Hamilton Bulldogs forward Gabriel Dumont, who was given a boarding major. Although the Americans were calling it a serious upper-body injury, there were reports circulating that Oberg may have suffered a broken neck.
http://www.winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/2011/03/15/17633366.html


:( bad news, first getting traded then this, also opinions of habs fas?

[freeweed]

Double Dion got 2 goals

Sweet, did this double his numbers for the year? :haha:

Seriously though, I typed this comment and then had to check. He so far has 7. Yes, 7. :haha:

I'm only really posting because at last night's Flames game there was a guy in a Phaneuf jersey, except he had taken white tape and written the words "sucks" under his name. :haha: