2010-2011 NHL season discussion thread [Archive] - Page 39

freeweed

Mar 21, 2011, 2:07 PM

Wow, officiating is awful these days. Anaheim continues to play an extremely dirty game and hardly gets called for anything. I saw 2 blatant headshots last night (one was a crosscheck to the back of a guy's helmet - I mean come on, if you're going to talk headshots this was TEXTBOOK) and neither were called. Plenty of interference that goes unnoticed too (including one that was about 10x later than the Chara hit).

The NHL is a bit of a joke right now. The only reason they call anything is if a guy happens to get injured. But if you're OK, then it's no call. Expect some players to mysteriously get injured during this season's playoffs, only to magically recover once the suspension is handed out.

Darkoshvilli

Mar 21, 2011, 3:37 PM

Do you know who did it back then?
No, I just read it on another forum. Don't even know if its accurate.

Jay in Cowtown

Mar 21, 2011, 3:44 PM

Darkoshvilli

Mar 21, 2011, 4:08 PM

I thought only habs fans complained about reffing?

Me&You

Mar 21, 2011, 4:12 PM

I thought only habs fans complained about reffing?

Only Habs fans call 9-1-1 about it ;)

Yume-sama

Mar 21, 2011, 4:25 PM

If you want to blame anyone, blame #17 for consistently taking his EXTREMELY selfish offensive zone penalties.

The guy has even less hockey IQ than Matt Stajan.

freeweed

Mar 21, 2011, 5:08 PM

I thought only habs fans complained about reffing?

I'm not asking for criminal charges nor a career suspension. Just consistent reffing based on the rules as written, and historical precedent.

The worst part of last night's game was that the inevitable happened - once the Flames saw Anaheim getting away with absolutely atrocious behaviour, they started doing it too. Culminating in the refs finally deciding to call something, a pretty weak "interference" penalty on Borque. In the critical last minutes of the game.

In the old days, inconsistent reffing like this was eventually dealt with by enforcers. These days, thanks to stupid things like the instigator rule, it spirals out of control until players think they can get away with anything (and we end up with the Sean Averys and Matt Cookes of the world).

Yume-sama

Mar 21, 2011, 5:25 PM

Well, it is true the Ducks got away with a lot, but Borque is still an idiot :P

Ayreonaut

Mar 21, 2011, 5:34 PM

Well, it is true the Ducks got away with a lot, but Borque is still an idiot :P

He takes at least one bad penalty in most games. This one was at the most inopportune time.

feepa

Mar 21, 2011, 5:34 PM

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GgUBkkGJ0Nk/SfaGAT69odI/AAAAAAAAAFo/1xSp_q9fv2g/s400/calgarychoke0mn.jpg

http://blogspot.com (http://3.bp.blogspot.com)

Ayreonaut

Mar 21, 2011, 5:40 PM

freeweed

Mar 21, 2011, 5:41 PM

He takes at least one bad penalty in most games. This one was at the most inopportune time.

Him and Jokinen. Olli takes some of the worst timed penalties. Always some lazy hook or hold. :hell:

feepa

Mar 21, 2011, 5:48 PM

Battling for a playoff spot and coming up just short is not what I call choking. If San Jose or Detroit managed to miss the playoffs, that would be choking.

Anyway, we seem to play good, tight games against the Kings. Hopefully we can even the season series tonight, which would put us back in 8th.

No, but being down 3-0, coming back 4-3 with 2 mins left and then losing in OT is choking.

Climbing from near dead last to 4th place, only to not make the playoffs is choking as well. I was worried you guys would get a decent draft pick this year...and actually be able to start restocking the cupboards.

Calgarian

Mar 21, 2011, 5:56 PM

Borque deserved that penalty, but so did the Duck. Borque takes retaliation penalties all the time.

feepa, you definition of choking is pretty weak. The Oilers are the definition of choking, missing the playoffs for 5 straight years after making it to game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals would be more suitable.

As for draft picks this year, it would be nice to get a top 5 pick, but the draft pool looks a little shallow this year, so I don't think it's really a big deal.

jigglysquishy

Mar 21, 2011, 6:00 PM

Don't write off Calgary yet. They still have 3 gimme games against either the Oilers or Aves. If they win tonight they have a playoff spot locked.

That being said, it'll be over in 4 against Vancouver.

MrOilers

Mar 21, 2011, 6:04 PM

If they win tonight they have a playoff spot locked.

"Locked" is a pretty strong word.

Especially seeing that after tonight, Calgary will have played 3 games more than the teams they are competing with.

Calgarian

Mar 21, 2011, 6:06 PM

"Locked" is a pretty strong word.

Especially seeing that after tonight, Calgary will have played 3 games more than the teams they are competing with.

Locked is definitely the wrong word. The Flames have 8 games remaining and they have to win 6 of them to get into the playoffs. That seems really unlikely to me, especially considering their play of late.

freeweed

Mar 21, 2011, 6:12 PM

PAVELSKI, EMERY, CHARA NAMED NHL'S THREE STARS OF THE WEEK (http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=358997)

Calgarian

Mar 21, 2011, 6:28 PM

PAVELSKI, EMERY, CHARA NAMED NHL'S THREE STARS OF THE WEEK (http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=358997)

Chara isn't mentioned in there anywhere...

Bassic Lab

Mar 21, 2011, 6:34 PM

Locked is definitely the wrong word. The Flames have 8 games remaining and they have to win 6 of them to get into the playoffs. That seems really unlikely to me, especially considering their play of late.

They need Nashville or Chicago to have a bad streak. I am pretty confident that if they can get ahead of either one we will have a playoff spot. The Pacific Division teams play each other so much in the final stretch that it is hard to imagine all of them staying in front of the Flames. Unless they really drop ball...

Calgarian

Mar 21, 2011, 6:35 PM

They need Nashville or Chicago to have a bad streak. I am pretty confident that if they can get ahead of either one we will have a playoff spot. The Pacific Division teams play each other so much in the final stretch that it is hard to imagine all of them staying in front of the Flames. Unless they really drop ball...

depends on how many games are 3 point games too.

Calgarian

Mar 21, 2011, 6:49 PM

Any guesses on the suspension Matt "the douchebag" Cooke will get? I'm betting he will get at least 10 games and will probably have a sit down with team brass, especially after Lemieux's comments regarding the Chara hit.

Bassic Lab

Mar 21, 2011, 6:53 PM

depends on how many games are 3 point games too.

They are definitely a concern but I would be shocked if all five made it in no matter what. It would require a lot of three point games, a reasonably equal division of wins and losses, and other teams to tank badly.

MrOilers

Mar 21, 2011, 7:00 PM

If Lemieux wants to back up his words on head shots in the game, he'd supplement whatever the NHL gives Cooke and make sure he sits for the rest of the season.

But he won't, because he's a big whiny hypocrite.

Jay in Cowtown

Mar 21, 2011, 7:24 PM

No, but being down 3-0, coming back 4-3 with 2 mins left and then losing in OT is choking.

Climbing from near dead last to 4th place, only to not make the playoffs is choking as well. I was worried you guys would get a decent draft pick this year...and actually be able to start restocking the cupboards.

I love how the Coilers' chunks of peanuts only show up on here when Calgary loses a big game. :rolleyes:

Flamesrule

Mar 21, 2011, 7:30 PM

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GgUBkkGJ0Nk/SfaGAT69odI/AAAAAAAAAFo/1xSp_q9fv2g/s400/calgarychoke0mn.jpg

http://blogspot.com (http://3.bp.blogspot.com)

And how are the Oilers doing? How well have they been in the past three years?

:rolleyes:

MrOilers

Mar 21, 2011, 7:34 PM

And how are the Oilers doing? How well have they been in the past three years?

#1 at the draft, baby!

freeweed

Mar 21, 2011, 7:44 PM

Chara isn't mentioned in there anywhere...

Carefully compare the headline vs what I posted. ;)

freeweed

Mar 21, 2011, 7:45 PM

#1 at the draft, baby!

The next Islanders! :worship:

MrOilers

Mar 21, 2011, 7:53 PM

Calgary is the next Columbus.

The_Architect

Mar 21, 2011, 8:01 PM

Calgary is the next Columbus.

Not respected by Canada?

feepa

Mar 21, 2011, 8:52 PM

And how are the Oilers doing? How well have they been in the past three years?

:rolleyes:

http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=556697

"In addition to the grading, we asked the scouts to rank each team's top 10 prospects and 21-and-under NHLers on a letter scale, A-D. We include 21-and-under NHLers because we don't believe teams should be penalized for fast-tracking these players to the NHL," Costello explained.

"The Oilers are a perfect example of that. Taylor Hall, Sam Gagner, Jordan Eberle and Magnus Paajarvi are all 21-and-under. If we didn't include them in the grading, Edmonton would probably be middle of the pack at best. It's certainly a great thing for the Oilers that they have these four great NHLers in the organization."

Although the Oilers have a number of players already developing in the NHL, Costello explained that Edmonton’s deep prospect pool has been equally as valuable.

"There are also a number of Oilers prospects that ranked quite well in our top 50 rating, those being Jeff Petry (32), Tyler Pitlick (62) and Anton Lander (63). It's not just the NHL players that are bumping up the rankings. The Oilers have quite a few excellent prospects in their system helping their overall ranking."

Edmonton’s number one ranking is especially impressive when you consider the talented clubs that the Oilers have overtaken. Los Angeles, with Drew Doughty leading the pack, and Tampa Bay with Steven Stamkos and Victor Hedman are only a few examples of the young talent highlighting the skilled competition.

Add in Teubert, and whoever we draft this summer ( The addition of Landeskog or Larsson will help round off that list nicely.)and the future remains bright.

Patience is my mantra.

Calgarian

Mar 21, 2011, 9:20 PM

Rumour has it Cooke was suspended for the rest of the season and the first round of the playoffs. I think that was a little soft, but not too bad. Cooke is such a tool.

SpikePhanta

Mar 21, 2011, 9:23 PM

Malhotra out for rest of season and playoffs...

The Canucks's chances to go deep is greatly hurt. :(

Some players need to wake up (MayRay, Samuelson, Higgins, ect.)!!!

Calgarian

Mar 21, 2011, 9:27 PM

http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=556697

"In addition to the grading, we asked the scouts to rank each team's top 10 prospects and 21-and-under NHLers on a letter scale, A-D. We include 21-and-under NHLers because we don't believe teams should be penalized for fast-tracking these players to the NHL," Costello explained.

"The Oilers are a perfect example of that. Taylor Hall, Sam Gagner, Jordan Eberle and Magnus Paajarvi are all 21-and-under. If we didn't include them in the grading, Edmonton would probably be middle of the pack at best. It's certainly a great thing for the Oilers that they have these four great NHLers in the organization."

Although the Oilers have a number of players already developing in the NHL, Costello explained that Edmonton’s deep prospect pool has been equally as valuable.

"There are also a number of Oilers prospects that ranked quite well in our top 50 rating, those being Jeff Petry (32), Tyler Pitlick (62) and Anton Lander (63). It's not just the NHL players that are bumping up the rankings. The Oilers have quite a few excellent prospects in their system helping their overall ranking."

Edmonton’s number one ranking is especially impressive when you consider the talented clubs that the Oilers have overtaken. Los Angeles, with Drew Doughty leading the pack, and Tampa Bay with Steven Stamkos and Victor Hedman are only a few examples of the young talent highlighting the skilled competition.

Add in Teubert, and whoever we draft this summer ( The addition of Landeskog or Larsson will help round off that list nicely.)and the future remains bright.

Patience is my mantra.

The Oilers have some potentially awesome players, but lots of top prospects haven't really panned out in the past for the Oil, so don't count your eggs before they hatch.

freeweed

Mar 21, 2011, 9:29 PM

Rumour has it Cooke was suspended for the rest of the season and the first round of the playoffs. I think that was a little soft, but not too bad. Cooke is such a tool.

Confirmed. (http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=359027)

I hated this dirty asshole when he played for Vancouver all those years, and he's just gotten worse over time.

Darkoshvilli

Mar 21, 2011, 9:36 PM

Some players need to wake up (MayRay, Samuelson, Higgins, ect.)!!!

Higgins has been hibernating for the past 3 years. Don't expect much from him. He used to be a pretty good player in his early Montreal days, I think the fame got to him.

SpikePhanta

Mar 21, 2011, 9:47 PM

This gave me a chuckle
http://www.nhlwheelofjustice.com/

touraccuracy

Mar 21, 2011, 9:47 PM

Malhotra out for rest of season and playoffs...

The Canucks's chances to go deep is greatly hurt. :(

Some players need to wake up (MayRay, Samuelson, Higgins, ect.)!!!
FUCK (http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=556729)

best faceoff guy in the league.

feepa

Mar 21, 2011, 10:19 PM

The Oilers have some potentially awesome players, but lots of top prospects haven't really panned out in the past for the Oil, so don't count your eggs before they hatch.
It's not just the Oilers that picks don't pan out for. Hall, Eberle, MPS, Omark all look like the real deal. Gagner and Cogs are pretty decent too. Certainly a lot of prospects that in the system as well. I may be counting my eggs a little early, but at least we have some eggs. What does Calgary have? (a: A remote chance to go 6-2 to potentially scratch in to the playoffs and get wiped out in the first round?) outside of that... not much at all :) The cup is very much half (or more) empty for the Flames, whereas with the Oilers, the Cup is half full, and looks to be getting fuller all the time.

Drink up.

Western Spaghetti

Mar 21, 2011, 10:29 PM

It's not just the Oilers that picks don't pan out for. Hall, Eberle, MPS, Omark all look like the real deal. Gagner and Cogs are pretty decent too. Certainly a lot of prospects that in the system as well. I may be counting my eggs a little early, but at least we have some eggs. What does Calgary have? (a: A remote chance to go 6-2 to potentially scratch in to the playoffs and get wiped out in the first round?) outside of that... not much at all :) The cup is very much half (or more) empty for the Flames, whereas with the Oilers, the Cup is half full, and looks to be getting fuller all the time.

Drink up.

It depends on what you want to get out of sports. I'm more of a right now guy, and unfortunately right now the Lames cup is at least half full/empty but the Oilers cup is completely empty - yes we have some good prospects but the Oilers cup won't be full or even half full until they pan out. I think they will, but until then....

Anyhow, I'm happy :) the Lames are looking like they're done for the year after last nights loss

Nicko999

Mar 21, 2011, 10:32 PM

Chara isn't mentioned in there anywhere...

It's because Subban is so disrespectful that they had to give the third star to Chara. After all, he increased the Bruins chances of winning the division by taking out Pacioretty.:rolleyes:

MrOilers

Mar 21, 2011, 10:38 PM

"The suspension is warranted because that's exactly the kind of hit we're trying to get out of the game," Penguins GM Ray Shero said in a statement. "Head shots have no place in hockey. We've told Matt in no uncertain terms that this kind of action on the ice is unacceptable and cannot happen. Head shots must be dealt with severely, and the Pittsburgh Penguins support the NHL in sending this very strong message."

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=556794 (http://http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=556794)

They sound like embarrassed parents trying to explain why their unbalanced child is allowed to continue going to the playground despite the fact that there's a fight every time he shows up.

Nicko999

Mar 21, 2011, 10:38 PM

Malhotra out for rest of season and playoffs...

The Canucks's chances to go deep is greatly hurt. :(

Some players need to wake up (MayRay, Samuelson, Higgins, ect.)!!!

Cmon Vancouver... I know Malhotra was important for your team but be thankful it isn't one of the Sedins.

We've been playing without our best player this season and have 8 regulars currently injured. It's been hard but we find ways to win.

That's why having great depth is the key for a Stanley Cup win.

I am sure Vancouver won't be affected too much.:tup:

touraccuracy

Mar 21, 2011, 11:03 PM

^yeah, but it seemed he was just finding his groove and not many of the other third and fourth liners have stepped up at all (raymond's been disappointing). it doesn't show up in points, but he was certainly great on the faceoff and that'll be missed.

freeweed

Mar 22, 2011, 12:36 AM

Dear Manny: visor. Dear NHL: mandatory visors. NOW.

Rumour has it, the doctors aren't sure if he'll EVER regain vision in that eye. Scary shit.

Calgarian

Mar 22, 2011, 12:56 AM

It's not just the Oilers that picks don't pan out for. Hall, Eberle, MPS, Omark all look like the real deal. Gagner and Cogs are pretty decent too. Certainly a lot of prospects that in the system as well. I may be counting my eggs a little early, but at least we have some eggs. What does Calgary have? (a: A remote chance to go 6-2 to potentially scratch in to the playoffs and get wiped out in the first round?) outside of that... not much at all :) The cup is very much half (or more) empty for the Flames, whereas with the Oilers, the Cup is half full, and looks to be getting fuller all the time.

Drink up.

You're right, these picks should work out for the Oil, and they will be a scary team if they do. Though there is a good possibility that some of these players will end up like Robbie Schremp, and be a huge disappointment. Obviously any team takes a gamble on first overall picks (Alexander Daigle anyone?), that's the risk of picking young players.

CAlgary does have some pretty decent prospects, Tim Erixon, Greg Nemisz, Stephan Meyer, Keith Seabrook... Unfortunately none are quite on the level of Hall or Eberle, here's hoping we can begin to rectify that this offseason.

Nicko999

Mar 22, 2011, 12:58 AM

We scored 8 goals yesterday but all of those goals were beautiful plays. I especially like the move by Pouliot on the first goal. Then Kostitsyn gets mad at a hit and scores a goal.:haha:

The Wild got a skill lesson from the Habs...:tup:
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Calgarian

Mar 22, 2011, 1:00 AM

Dear Manny: visor. Dear NHL: mandatory visors. NOW.

Rumour has it, the doctors aren't sure if he'll EVER regain vision in that eye. Scary shit.

I don't get why players don't use visors, all that one needs to see for inspiration to wear one is Brian Berard. Scary shit indeed

logan5

Mar 22, 2011, 1:01 AM

Higgins has been hibernating for the past 3 years. Don't expect much from him. He used to be a pretty good player in his early Montreal days, I think the fame got to him.

Higgins has looked pretty good so far. Super strong along the boards.

HomeInMyShoes

Mar 22, 2011, 1:23 AM

All I can say on the Cooke suspension is. Thank-you.

Nicko999

Mar 22, 2011, 2:00 AM

Suban is skilled at a offensive defenseman, while he is useless at being a defensive defenseman.

:no:
Both Subban and Carlson play against opposing team's top lines, they sit 1-2 among rookies in shorthanded ice time per game, they both play above 22 minutes per game, they have both produced points and they have each emerged as their respective team's most important defencemen in their rookie seasons.
http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/plocal/CTVNews/20110320/mtl_habshub_habit_110320/20110320/?hub=MontrealSports

He leads all rookies D-man with 11 goals (Shattenkirk and Fowler are tied for second with 7) and 35 pts (Shattenkirk, Fowler and Carlson are tied second with 32).

He's also 24th in pts among all D-men, 13th in goals and 9th for PP goals.

He now has more goals than Wisniewski (D-man with the most goals on the team).
Tyler Myers who won the Calder had 11 goals last year as well.

And somehow people still find ways to say how much he sucks... whatever.:haha:

Darkoshvilli

Mar 22, 2011, 2:24 AM

Higgins has looked pretty good so far. Super strong along the boards.

I was speaking in terms of goal scoring.

logan5

Mar 22, 2011, 3:02 AM

I was speaking in terms of goal scoring.

He's been making things happen at least. I'll take him over Mason Raymond at this point.

Nicko999

Mar 22, 2011, 6:07 AM

I almost choked when I read this...coming from Brad Marchand??? Are you kidding me?

"I think it's about time he gets [suspended]," Marchand said. "He needs to be taught a lesson. He's doing that stuff left, right and centre. I expect he'll get a bunch of games. He's got to be taught a lesson. He can't be running around doing that stuff all the time. He's going to seriously hurt someone again - look at (Marc Savard). He could have easily hurt McDonagh."
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=359027

That play happened a week ago...
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Ayreonaut

Mar 22, 2011, 10:43 AM

:no:

http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/plocal/CTVNews/20110320/mtl_habshub_habit_110320/20110320/?hub=MontrealSports

He leads all rookies D-man with 11 goals (Shattenkirk and Fowler are tied for second with 7) and 35 pts (Shattenkirk, Fowler and Carlson are tied second with 32).

He's also 24th in pts among all D-men, 13th in goals and 9th for PP goals.

He now has more goals than Wisniewski (D-man with the most goals on the team).
Tyler Myers who won the Calder had 11 goals last year as well.

And somehow people still find ways to say how much he sucks... whatever.:haha:

While I don't necessarily agree with what flamesrule said, all you did was post offensive numbers; how is that arguing his claim?

The_Architect

Mar 22, 2011, 12:35 PM

Marchand's specific play was stupid but he isn't a repeat offender and doesn't constantly do stupid plays like Cooke does.

Hell even Heatley got suspended for an elbow to the head, and I think (and pretty sure you would too cause he isn't a Bruin) that he has a say on the matter. If Marchand comes back 4 more times and does the same thing, THEN he has no right to say anything.

Besides his wasn't as bad as Cooke's was anyways (not result, the actual act itself).

Calgarian

Mar 22, 2011, 1:45 PM

Dallas and Anaheim need to go on a 3 game losing streak each, no loser points!

Despite the fact that the Flames lost, that was a great game last night, Quick and Kiprusoff put on a clinic!

Calgarian

Mar 22, 2011, 1:50 PM

I almost choked when I read this...coming from Brad Marchand??? Are you kidding me?

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=359027

That play happened a week ago...
Y0g7_pVqpB0

That MArchand hit didn't look that dirty, he could have tried a little harder to not hit him though. Still a bit hypocritical though.

Does anyone know how much longer Cooke is under contract? I bet Pittsburgh will wash their hands of him ASAP.

freeweed

Mar 22, 2011, 1:53 PM

Calgarian

Mar 22, 2011, 2:00 PM

Sportsnet had a montage of Cooke hits to the head. Some called, most not.

I thought the guy was a dirty player before, but wow - he should be banned from the league for life. His actions scream "intent to injure".

Definitely, Cooke is a douche, no doubt about it. This is probably his last chance in the NHL, and if it isn't, it f'n should be.

Flamesrule

Mar 22, 2011, 7:12 PM

Dallas and Anaheim need to go on a 3 game losing streak each, no loser points!

Despite the fact that the Flames lost, that was a great game last night, Quick and Kiprusoff put on a clinic!

Exactly, they both played a great game.:notacrook:

So, do you think that the Flames still have a shot at the playoffs?

Nicko999

Mar 22, 2011, 11:02 PM

While I don't necessarily agree with what flamesrule said, all you did was post offensive numbers; how is that arguing his claim?

I put the quote...then I posted offensive numbers.
Both Subban and Carlson play against opposing team's top lines, they sit 1-2 among rookies in shorthanded ice time per game, they both play above 22 minutes per game, they have both produced points and they have each emerged as their respective team's most important defencemen in their rookie seasons.

Let me tell you something... if you play more than 22 minutes under Jacques Martin's system you HAVE to be good defensively.

We acquired M-A Bergeron last year when Markov was injured. He had 34 pts in 60 games but we didn't resign him because defensively, he was probably the worst D-man I've ever seen with the Habs (Souray a close second). He didn't play more than 15 minutes a game.

If you can't play defense, Martin will bench you...

theman23

Mar 22, 2011, 11:11 PM

And who would he play then?

Nicko999

Mar 22, 2011, 11:16 PM

This season has been so bizarre...

Habs fans want the Leafs to win because we hate Boston and want the pick to be as worst as possible.

Leafs fans want to Habs to win the division because they have Boston's first.

And I am sure the Leafs will cheer even harder for us tonight.:P

BTW-Boston is lucky to have the loser point (because that's what they are, losers)... we have more wins than the Bruins!!!

GO Devils!!!

Flamesrule

Mar 22, 2011, 11:20 PM

I put the quote...then I posted offensive numbers.

Let me tell you something... if you play more than 22 minutes under Jacques Martin's system you HAVE to be good defensively.

We acquired M-A Bergeron last year when Markov was injured. He had 34 pts in 60 games but we didn't resign him because defensively, he was probably the worst D-man I've ever seen with the Habs (Souray a close second). He didn't play more than 15 minutes a game.

If you can't play defense, Martin will bench you...

If defense players can't play defense, no wonder they would get benched. That's why Subban has been benches a lot this year.

A defensemens job to play defense.

:rolleyes:

Calgarian

Mar 22, 2011, 11:31 PM

So, do you think that the Flames still have a shot at the playoffs?

No.

They tried and I give them big time props for that (you hear that Bigtime?, I'm giving them props on your behalf!:cool:), but they seemed to either peak too soon, or did what the Flames always do, take their foot off the gas too early. Like I said, Dallas and Anaheim need to both lose the 3 games they have in hand for the Flames to stay in.

Ayreonaut

Mar 22, 2011, 11:39 PM

If they don't make it, I'm curious to see what they do in the offseason; will they see if the success carries over in the latter half of 2011, or blow things up leaving just the core?

Calgarian

Mar 22, 2011, 11:47 PM

If they don't make it, I'm curious to see what they do in the offseason; will they see if the success carries over in the latter half of 2011, or blow things up leaving just the core?

They will have to make some moves, this team is too old. Youth is what is winning championships. They should have a bunch of players that are ready to take the next step, though that won't help out Abbotsford much.

Flamesrule

Mar 22, 2011, 11:50 PM

I think they'll bring up Bryan Cameron next season to play full time. Besides, he is a hopeful player for the Flames.

Darkoshvilli

Mar 23, 2011, 1:14 AM

If defense players can't play defense, no wonder they would get benched. That's why Subban has been benches a lot this year.

A defensemens job to play defense.

:rolleyes:

You have no idea what your talking about. Subban has played 68 of the teams 73 games so far as a rookie. Thats pretty good if you ask me. He's been great for us defensively.

The_Architect

Mar 23, 2011, 1:21 AM

Dammit Montreal I cheer for you once give us a freaken win over Buffalo..

EDIT: Thanks for the help.. :no:

Nicko999

Mar 23, 2011, 3:42 AM

Dammit Montreal I cheer for you once give us a freaken win over Buffalo..

EDIT: Thanks for the help.. :no:

We're sorry...:( Games like that sucks! No offence at all from either team and the only goal was a nice tip-in. Probably the most boring game of the season.

Too bad the Devils are coming back to reality and couldn't win against the Bruins.

A message to Martin... PLAY THE ROOKIES MORE OFTEN.

Desharnais is better than Gomez in every single aspect of the game. In fact, I have enough of Gomez...put him as the fourth center.:yuck: Plekanec we miss you!

Nicko999

Mar 23, 2011, 3:43 AM

If defense players can't play defense, no wonder they would get benched. That's why Subban has been benches a lot this year.

A defensemens job to play defense.

:rolleyes:

:haha::haha::haha:

Subban was a benched at the beggining of the season when he didn't play well and made mistakes. There was a 2 weeks stretch where he was horrible. Since then, he's been solid defensively.

Coldrsx

Mar 23, 2011, 3:46 AM

I cant wait for golf season.

mintzilla

Mar 23, 2011, 4:07 AM

^at least we helped put another dagger into the hearts of all flames fans by losing to nashville

freeweed

Mar 23, 2011, 2:40 PM

If Calgary were in the Eastern conference, we'd be a lock for the playoffs.

The_Architect

Mar 23, 2011, 2:50 PM

If Calgary were in the Eastern conference, we'd be a lock for the playoffs.

If my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle.

feepa

Mar 23, 2011, 5:46 PM

If Calgary were in the Eastern conference, we'd be a lock for the playoffs.
There's been a few times the Oilers have finished out of the playoffs but if they were in the east, they would've made the it. Tough luck.

Ayreonaut

Mar 23, 2011, 6:04 PM

Yeah, if we were in the East then that would be one less excuse for missing the playoffs.

Over half the teams in the league make the post-season, so regardless of conference, if your team is on the outside, there are still at least eight better teams above them.

Nicko999

Mar 23, 2011, 10:20 PM

Subban better watch out tommorow... the Bruins were looking for the knee-on-knee last game before they took out Pacioretty.

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PK, please keep your head up tommorow.:(

Nicko999

Mar 23, 2011, 10:34 PM

If Calgary were in the Eastern conference, we'd be a lock for the playoffs.

East vs the West: 120-103-34

Pretty equal if you ask me... of those 34 OT/SO losses maybe half of them are in the shootouts (so therefore a tie).

2 years ago we finished 8th in the East. If we were in the West we would have been 6th. We were also 13-4-1 against the West so it means we might have been 1st.:P

It makes a lot of if's...:)

Calgarian

Mar 23, 2011, 10:52 PM

East vs the West: 120-103-34

Pretty equal if you ask me... of those 34 OT/SO losses maybe half of them are in the shootouts (so therefore a tie).

2 years ago we finished 8th in the East. If we were in the West we would have been 6th. We were also 13-4-1 against the West so it means we might have been 1st.:P

It makes a lot of if's...:)

So how many of the 120 wins were in OT or a shootout. Pretty meaningless statistic without both sides.

Calgarian

Mar 24, 2011, 2:47 AM

4-2 San Jose after the first. Looks like I'll be cheering for Vancouver and Montreal in the playoffs.

mintzilla

Mar 24, 2011, 3:06 AM

4-2 San Jose after the first. Looks like I'll be cheering for Vancouver and Montreal in the playoffs.

did you vomit a bit in your mouth when you wrote that? because i did a bit when i read it.

You Need A Thneed

Mar 24, 2011, 3:46 AM

East vs the West: 120-103-34

From your own stat, the West has 137 wins against the east. Sooo... Which conference is better than the other?

Some guy

Mar 24, 2011, 3:46 AM

Canucks won . . . nothing more to say. :goodnight:

feepa

Mar 24, 2011, 4:27 AM

4-2 San Jose after the first. Looks like I'll be cheering for Vancouver and Montreal in the playoffs.

should be about the final nail in the coffin for the Flames. 6-3 with minutes left...

Cup officially completely empty for flames.

mintzilla

Mar 24, 2011, 4:37 AM

i feel your pain flames fans, i feel it. you are not alone in your time of mourning.

logan5

Mar 24, 2011, 5:40 AM

did you vomit a bit in your mouth when you wrote that? because i did a bit when i read it.

Good lord. It can't be that bad to root for the Canucks.

Denscity

Mar 24, 2011, 5:55 AM

Good lord. It can't be that bad to root for the Canucks.

It might be that bad for them if they're from Alberta. I know i totally hate their hockey teams and hope they hate us. Its great!

Nicko999

Mar 24, 2011, 6:09 AM

So how many of the 120 wins were in OT or a shootout. Pretty meaningless statistic without both sides.

That's a good point, I didn't think of that.

However, if we exclude OT/SO losses East is 120-137 vs the West. Definately not a HUGE difference. Like I said overall the West is probably a little bit better but the the East has more top teams who have a shot at a Cup.

Philadelphia, Washington, Boston(:yuck:), Pittsburgh, Montreal (if we're healthier, no way we go deep with 8 regulars missing) and Rangers in the East.

Vancouver and Detroit (maybe SJ) in the West.

touraccuracy

Mar 24, 2011, 6:57 AM

joe louis was freakishly quiet, it weirded me out a bit.

Ayreonaut

Mar 24, 2011, 12:28 PM

What is it that basketball players say? "It's ovah!"? Well, it's that for the Flames.

Pretty predictable that Anaheim and Dallas would go to OT too.

Good lord. It can't be that bad to root for the Canucks.

It'd be easier to say "Go Coyotes!"

Calgarian

Mar 24, 2011, 12:47 PM

Good lord. It can't be that bad to root for the Canucks.

Yeah it is. I'll cheer for the Canucks till I talk to one of their Douchebag fans, then I'm off that bandwagon. lol

I'm still not convinced Luongo is their saviour either, he has been a choke artist in high pressure situations before.

Niko, put the bong down man, the top 4 in the east are basically the same as the top 4 in the west point wise, you can't tell me there are more contenders in the east.

JEts fans should be nervous, if the Coyotes can ride Bryzgalov deep into the playoffs, people in Phoenix might actually take notice and pay the $5 (or whatever they charge for a family pack down there) and go watch them play.