[Gdoggy]

Population on July 1 Change
2008 2009 2010 08 - 10
========= ========= ========= =======
St John's,NL 187,200 189,800 192,300 4,900
Halifax,NS 392,800 397,700 403,200 10,400
Moncton,NB 132,600 134,900 137,300 4,700
Saint John,NB 126,300 127,200 128,000 1,700
Saguenay,Que 151,700 151,600 152,200 500
Québec,Que 738,300 745,600 754,400 16,100
Sherbrooke,Que 192,400 194,900 197,300 4,900
Trois-Rivières,Que 144,500 145,400 146,500 2,000
Montréal,Que 3,765,400 3,818,700 3,859,300 93,900
Ottawa-Gatineau,Ont-Que 1,200,400 1,218,500 1,239,100 38,700
Kingston,Ont 159,700 161,000 162,500 2,800
Peterborough,Ont 120,900 121,000 121,100 200
Oshawa,Ont 354,000 359,100 364,200 10,200
Toronto,Ont 5,535,700 5,634,500 5,741,400 205,700
Hamilton,Ont 729,200 734,600 740,200 11,000
St Catharines-Niagara,Ont 403,300 403,800 404,400 1,100
Kitchener-Waterloo,Ont 481,700 486,900 492,400 10,700
Brantford,Ont 137,400 138,200 139,100 1,700
Guelph,Ont 135,100 136,600 138,200 3,100
London,Ont 485,900 489,000 492,200 6,300
Windsor,Ont 333,100 332,000 330,900 - 2,200
Barrie,Ont 187,600 189,200 190,900 3,300
Greater Sudbury,Ont 165,100 164,900 164,700 - 400
Thunder Bay,Ont 126,500 126,500 126,700 200
Winnipeg,Man 732,200 742,400 753,600 21,400
Regina,Sask 205,800 210,400 215,100 9,300
Saskatoon,Sask 251,000 258,000 265,300 14,300
Calgary,Alta 1,187,300 1,220,400 1,242,600 55,300
Edmonton,Alta 1,127,600 1,156,500 1,176,300 48,700
Kelowna,BC 175,000 178,100 178,900 3,900
Abbotsford-Mission,BC 168,900 171,900 174,300 5,400
Vancouver,BC 2,279,500 2,337,200 2,391,300 111,800
Victoria,BC 348,100 354,000 358,100 10,000


Source: Statscan

[1ajs]

o wow thunderbay gained people

[Metro-One]

Wow, Vancouver had the second largest gain in population after Toronto, and only Toronto and Vancouver had 6 figure gains (of course Toronto's was nearly double ours).

[haljackey]

Big thing from this population estimate: K-W beat London by 200 people. That's a major change.

I guess we'll know for sure when the 2011 census comes out.


Looks like Windsor is feeling the wrath from Detroit.

[Darkoshvilli]

Surprised at Calgary, only 7k more than Edmonton?

[Simpseatles]

Sucks for Sudbury and Windsor.:(

We held our own here in London, with a 6 300 people gain, although I would've liked to see more.

[jigglysquishy]

I thought I might as well post this here

I extrapolated the 2009-2010 data. Here is the estimate for Canada; 2020.

Toronto: 6,904,000
Montreal: 4,285,000
Vancouver: 2,990,000
Calgary: 1,483,000
Ottawa: 1,461,000
Edmonton: 1,390,000
Winnipeg: 873,000
Quebec City: 847,000
Hamilton: 798,000
Kitchener: 550,000

That's the top 10. Here's 11-20.

London: 525,000
Halifax: 461,000
Oshawa: 418,000
St.Catherines: 410,000
Victoria: 401,000
Saskatoon: 348,000
Windsor: 320,000
Regina: 267,000
Sherbrooke: 220,000
St. John's: 218,000

[haljackey]

We held our own here in London, with a 6 300 people gain, although I would've liked to see more.

Well London's "Metro" area is a joke, but K-W's isn't.

It will be sad to see London get kicked out of the top 10 largest cities in Canada when the 2011 Census comes out, but it will sure be a celebration in K-W!

[Gdoggy]

some interesting races....

Will Toronto hit 6 million before Montreal hits 4 Million ?

Who will hit 800,000 first ? Quebec or Winnipeg ? or will Hamilton is the darkhorse here....

Who will hit 500,000 first ? Kitchener looks like it may have the edge... can London make a surge ?

400,000 first... Oshawa ? or Victoria ?

[isaidso]

Surprised at Calgary, only 7k more than Edmonton?

Edmonton lies in Calgary's shadow so people tend to overlook how fast it's growing.

[Coldrsx]

Edmonton lies in Calgary's shadow so people tend to overlook how fast it's growing.

This... Many many people overlook just how much growth is happening in Edmonton.

[trueviking]

wow...winnipeg almost regained a spot....only a few years ago we were behind hamilton and quebec was pulling away.... everyone was claiming that winnipeg would soon be out of the top 10....only 800 people behind now....by this time next year we will likely be back in 7th.

[trueviking]

Who will hit 800,000 first ? Quebec or Winnipeg ? or will Hamilton is the darkhorse here....


over the last 3 years winnipeg has grown 30% faster than quebec....i'd say we are in the lead for that race.

i agree with the comments about edmonton....nobody believes that it is essentially the same size as calgary...it really gets left out of the spotlight.

i would have thought that with all their construction victoria would be growing faster.

[Highinthesky]

Is there a way to look up the population breakdowns of each CMA? I'd like to know how much the City of London grew.

[PoscStudent]

St. John's gained nearly 8,000 in 3 years!!!

[dsim249]

Good news for S'toon! :cheers:

Saskatoon the fastest growing region in Canada: Statistics Canada report


The latest population estimates released by StatsCan say the Saskatoon region was the fastest-growing metropolitan area in Canada last year, surpassing Alberta’s major cities in growth for the first time in decades.

The Saskatoon region is also now the youngest of the metropolitan areas in the country, bucking the pan-Canadian trend of a rapidly aging population.

The region, which includes bedroom communities such as Warman, Martensville, Dundurn, and Dalmeny, has now passed the 265,000 population mark, a jump of more than 30,000 people since 2005.

Regina was third in the country in growth, behind Vancouver in second spot. The Regina region is now 215,000 people, an increase of close to 5,000 from the previous year.

The main reason for Saskatoon’s gain is a huge spike in international immigration, StatsCan reports.

Saskatoon added more than 3,300 new immigrants over the year, higher than major Canadian cities such as Hamilton and Quebec City, Statistics Canada notes.

Read more: http://www.thestarphoenix.com/technology/Saskatoon+fastest+growing+region+Canada+Statistics+Canada+report/4220473/story.html#ixzz1CxWFVqiW

[isaidso]

St. John's gained nearly 8,000 in 3 years!!!

St. John's needs to stay in the top 20. ;)

[BretttheRiderFan]

wooow Saskatoon! :banana:

I think the reason that Edmonton lags behind Calgary on the forum is because they don't build all the fancy shiny buildings!

Huge population losses in Windsor, unfortunate for them

Reminds me a lot of what Saskatchewan went through economically during the 90's

[dennis1]

Saskatoon will hit 300k soon

The Riders should move there.

[isaidso]

wooow Saskatoon! :banana:


about time that Saskatoon (and Saskatchewan) saw strong growth

[dsim249]

Population growth rates by census metropolitan area, Canada

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/91-214-x/2009000/ct001_en.gif
Source (http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/91-214-x/2009000/ct001_en.gif)

[isaidso]

20 fastest growing Census Metropolitan Areas 2008-2010
% change

Saskatoon: 5.70
Vancouver: 4.91
Calgary: 4.66
Regina: 4.52
Edmonton: 4.32

Toronto: 3.72
Moncton: 3.54
Ottawa: 3.22
Abbotsford-Mission: 3.20
Winnipeg: 2.92

Oshawa: 2.88
Victoria: 2.87
Halifax: 2.65
St Johns: 2.62
Sherbrooke: 2.55

Montreal: 2.49
Guelph: 2.30
Kelowna: 2.23
Kitchener-Waterloo: 2.22
Quebec City: 2.18

[Dmajackson]

Don't overlook Halifax and Moncton everyone we've grown by 2.65% and 3.54% respectively since 2008. This puts us both in the fastest growing CMA's categories and it has launched Halifax into the 400'000 club. At the rate we are going right now Halifax will surpass 500'000 around 2026.

Also we're taking 12th spot sometime this year. :)

[freeweed]

Wow, congrats to the SK boys, and Winnipeg. What a sea change over the past decade. It wasn't that long ago when these 3 cities felt like they were permanently stuck population-wise. It's about time someone gives Calgary and Vancouver a run for their money.

And yeah, I'm not sure why people forget Edmonton. It's pretty much neck and neck with Calgary and will be for a while. The oilsands grow Edmonton as much if not more than Calgary, and they're this country's economic future (at least for our lifetimes). Maybe it was Calgary's insane growth as it caught up, but since then they've basically been the same size. It's almost like having a nearby twin, with its own unique charm.

[Coldrsx]

But but we don't have as many head offices or shiny towers...

[isaidso]

Also we're taking 12th spot sometime this year. :)

Would be great to have a Maritime city back in the top 10.

[Cambridgite]

I thought I might as well post this here

I extrapolated the 2009-2010 data. Here is the estimate for Canada; 2020.

Toronto: 6,904,000
Montreal: 4,285,000
Vancouver: 2,990,000
Calgary: 1,483,000
Ottawa: 1,461,000
Edmonton: 1,390,000
Winnipeg: 873,000
Quebec City: 847,000
Hamilton: 798,000
Kitchener: 550,000

That's the top 10. Here's 11-20.

London: 525,000
Halifax: 461,000
Oshawa: 418,000
St.Catherines: 410,000
Victoria: 401,000
Saskatoon: 348,000
Windsor: 320,000
Regina: 267,000
Sherbrooke: 220,000
St. John's: 218,000

That's interesting and all, but don't be so sure it's an accurate way of predicting the future.

Don't forget, Ontario is usually hit worse by recessions than other provinces. But we always bounce back with a vengeance!! Happened in the 90s and it'll happen again.

So your numbers for Ontario cities are probably low.

[Spoolmak]

I'm on an iPhone. It cut off right after abbotsford. What's the pop for van?

[Gdoggy]

I'm on an iPhone. It cut off right after abbotsford. What's the pop for van?

Vancouver,BC 2,279,500 2,337,200 2,391,300 111,800
Victoria,BC 348,100 354,000 358,100 10,000

[MolsonExport]

Great boom, S'toon!

[flar]

No big surprises here. We knew Saskatoon and Winnipeg were booming. Halifax is growing faster than I thought. I'm a bit surprised that Hamilton gained 11,000 considering they've probably lost double that number of jobs in the recession. I would take it as evidence that the Toronto boom is really starting to affect the Hamilton area, otherwise it would have been in the same boat as Windsor. Oshawa is already firmly ensconced in the Toronto orbit.

[PoscStudent]

St. John's numbers are beating the high projects from stats NL for 2010, they predicted about 191,600. I don't no when their cut off date is though because we should be at least 193,000 now!

[Biff]

I believe the cut off was July 2010.

[trueviking]

in the first 5 years of the decade winnipeg grew by 18 000....in the next 4 years, by 60 000.....

[roccerfeller]

Don't overlook Halifax and Moncton everyone we've grown by 2.65% and 3.54% respectively since 2008. This puts us both in the fastest growing CMA's categories and it has launched Halifax into the 400'000 club. At the rate we are going right now Halifax will surpass 500'000 around 2026.

Also we're taking 12th spot sometime this year. :)

Yep, its real good for Halifax. Congrats guys on breaking the 400k seal finally ;) :cheers:

Wow, congrats to the SK boys, and Winnipeg. What a sea change over the past decade. It wasn't that long ago when these 3 cities felt like they were permanently stuck population-wise. It's about time someone gives Calgary and Vancouver a run for their money.

And yeah, I'm not sure why people forget Edmonton. It's pretty much neck and neck with Calgary and will be for a while. The oilsands grow Edmonton as much if not more than Calgary, and they're this country's economic future (at least for our lifetimes). Maybe it was Calgary's insane growth as it caught up, but since then they've basically been the same size. It's almost like having a nearby twin, with its own unique charm.

But but we don't have as many head offices or shiny towers...

Yeah, I Agree 100%...Edmonton is really a lot closer than people give it credit. Its just cause all the head offices for all those fancy oil/gas companies are in Calgary, but Edmonton is really growing. One of my friends who moved there lives on the east side and rarely even goes downtown because theres way too much happening around his area! Only a matter of time before that airport in the south becomes a part of city limits ;) congrats Edmonton :cheers:

in the first 5 years of the decade winnipeg grew by 18 000....in the next 4 years, by 60 000.....

Yep.

Winnipeg is really turning around. This is where steady growth will pay off for the city...building a solid foundation.

One of the main reasons Winnipeg fell in the 20th century was because of all the dependance on one industry. Its taken a while, but things are turning around now.

These population charts show Winnipeg with the most net gain for a city under 1 million, with no signs of slowing down, although the rate is not as high as it could be.


Good thing we got positive growth for the foreseeable future.


And big up on Saskatoon & Regina...wow @ Saskatoon. :cheers:

[FrAnKs]

A good mention for Saguenay... !! ... was in the negative for the last estimations, they're now at +800 for one year. Well done.

Also, I think that Quebec will stay in front of Winnipeg until next year, because they'll ad Neuville ( 4000 inhabitants ) for the next census. Then after, Quebec will be Shifted by winnipeg for sure.

Whats happen to kelowna guys???

[PoscStudent]

I believe the cut off was July 2010.

I was referring to the cut off numbers for stats NL.

[Architype]

^ Although it's a healthy increase, most of St. Johns' growth came from other parts of NL, which is just a drain on the rest of the province; what they need to work on is attracting more immigration.

By comparison, much of the growth in places like Regina and Saskatoon was from immigration.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/91-214-x/2009000/tablelist-listetableaux1-eng.htm

[Acajack]

^ Although it's a healthy increase, most of St. Johns' growth came from other parts of NL, which is just a drain on the rest of the province; what they need to work on is attracting more immigration.

By comparison, much of the growth in places like Regina and Saskatoon was from immigration.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/91-214-x/2009000/tablelist-listetableaux1-eng.htm

This is true of Moncton as well. Most of its population growth is due to people moving there from other parts of NB, especially the north.

[Architype]

^Agreed, some other cities have the same experience.


This article brings up some interesting points:

February 3, 2011

Six smaller cities receive more exposure in Statistics Canada’s labour market report (http://www.journalofcommerce.com/article/id42758)

Alex Carrick

February 3, 2011

These are banner days for six smaller Canadian cities – Barrie, Brantford, Guelph, Kelowna, Moncton and Peterborough – thanks to new attention being paid them by Statistics Canada.

Four of those centres are in Ontario. British Columbia and New Brunswick lay claim to one each. Their 2008 upgrade in status based on population (from census agglomerations or CAs to census metropolitan areas or CMAs) placed them among the “big boys” in Canada.

They still fall well short of the six largest cities in the country, the only ones with populations above one million – Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Ottawa-Gatineau, Calgary and Edmonton

Prior to the latest revisions to the labour market data, the six were left out of the tables for the country’s largest cities. The number of CMAs in the employment report has only now been increased to 33 from 27. One advantage to being included in the listings is greater exposure.


Read more here:
http://www.journalofcommerce.com/article/id42758

[Tarsus]

Good growth for Vancouver, which essentially 2.4 million now. I'll easily see it hit 3 million in my lifetime, if not the next 15 years or so.

Calgary's already pushing 1.3 Million!

[Tarsus]

Using one year's worth of data won't give a very accurate picture.

I thought I might as well post this here

I extrapolated the 2009-2010 data. Here is the estimate for Canada; 2020.

Toronto: 6,904,000
Montreal: 4,285,000
Vancouver: 2,990,000
Calgary: 1,483,000
Ottawa: 1,461,000
Edmonton: 1,390,000
Winnipeg: 873,000
Quebec City: 847,000
Hamilton: 798,000
Kitchener: 550,000

That's the top 10. Here's 11-20.

London: 525,000
Halifax: 461,000
Oshawa: 418,000
St.Catherines: 410,000
Victoria: 401,000
Saskatoon: 348,000
Windsor: 320,000
Regina: 267,000
Sherbrooke: 220,000
St. John's: 218,000

[dsim249]

Good growth for Vancouver, which essentially 2.4 million now. I'll easily see it hit 3 million in my lifetime, if not the next 15 years or so.

Calgary's already pushing 1.3 Million!

That's insane. I remember it like it was yesterday (not sure why) when their 1 millionth citizen was born. (http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=d635f621-80b9-4b90-a82d-ad15550bfbad&k=81939)

[Bassic Lab]

That's insane. I remember it like it was yesterday (not sure why) when their 1 millionth citizen was born. (http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=d635f621-80b9-4b90-a82d-ad15550bfbad&k=81939)

That was one million in the city, this is the CMA we're talking about. The difference between the two was around 100 000 in 2006 and more today.

[dsim249]

That was one million in the city, this is the CMA we're talking about. The difference between the two was around 100 000 in 2006 and more today.

Right. I knew that. :shuffle:

[Deepstar]

Good growth for Vancouver, which essentially 2.4 million now. I'll easily see it hit 3 million in my lifetime, if not the next 15 years or so.

Calgary's already pushing 1.3 Million!

Hopefully next census we'll see the south region added for another 100K :yes:

[Jets4Life]

I have been awaiting this day for the last week or so. Winnipeg has surpassed 750,000 people!!! I was really hoping we would regain the #7 spot, but Quebec is still 800 people ahead of us. So close. Maybe next year?

[Waterlooson]

Note that Halifax is about to blow past St Catharines-Niagara,Ont.

[Me&You]

...



Yep.

Winnipeg is really turning around. This is where steady growth will pay off for the city...building a solid foundation.

One of the main reasons Winnipeg fell in the 20th century was because of all the dependance on one industry. Its taken a while, but things are turning around now.

...

Excuse my ignorance, but what was that one industry that Winnipeg was dependent on?

[MolsonExport]

some really good numbers for almost all cities. maritime cities and St. John's growing at a faster rate than in decades....Quebec growing steadily, Montreal holding her own, Toronto kicking population butt, but so too for the other horseshoe cities of Hamilton, Oshawa, the four headed-monster of KWCG (finally knocking down London). Real sustained growth out on the Prairies. S'toon, Wpeg and Reg joining the usual suspects of Calg and Ed. More of the usual growth in Vancouver. Victoria? Slow but steady as she goes.

[BretttheRiderFan]

Saskatoon will hit 300k soon

The Riders should move there.

Over my dead body!

I'm from Saskatoon originally by the way

[Gdoggy]

. 1976 1986 1996 2006 2010
========= ========= ========= ========= =========
Toronto, Ont 2,803,100 3,607,600 4,444,700 5,113,100 5,741,400
Montréal, Que 2,802,500 3,032,000 3,359,000 3,635,600 3,859,300
Vancouver, BC 1,166,300 1,451,600 1,891,400 2,116,600 2,391,300
Calgary, Alta 469,900 692,100 851,600 1,079,300 1,242,600
Ottawa-Gat., Ont-Que 693,300 848,700 1,030,500 1,130,700 1,239,100
Edmonton, Alta 554,200 797,700 891,500 1,034,900 1,176,300
Québec, Que 542,200 619,100 697,600 715,500 754,400
Winnipeg, Man 578,200 640,600 676,700 694,700 753,600
Hamilton, Ont 529,400 577,100 650,400 692,900 740,200
Kitchener-Waterloo, Ont 272,200 322,600 403,300 451,200 492,400
London, Ont 270,400 355,000 416,100 457,800 492,200
St Cath-Niagara, Ont 301,900 354,400 389,700 390,300 404,400
Halifax, NS 268,000 303,600 346,800 372,900 403,200
Oshawa, Ont 135,200 210,500 280,900 330,600 364,200
Victoria, BC 218,300 266,700 313,400 330,100 358,100
Windsor, Ont 247,600 263,000 291,700 323,300 330,900
Saskatoon, Sask 133,800 206,200 222,100 233,900 265,300
Regina, Sask 151,200 191,200 192,800 195,000 215,100
St Johns, NL 143,400 165,100 177,800 181,100 192,300
Greater Sudbury, Ont 157,000 153,300 166,200 158,300 164,700
Saguenay, Que 128,600 162,400 166,600 151,600 152,200
Saint John, NB 113,000 124,100 129,100 122,400 128,000
Thunder Bay, Ont 119,300 126,000 131,300 122,900 126,700

Note: The census data from 1976-2006 does not reflect undercounts.

[BretttheRiderFan]

:previous: wow, I'm only 16, it's crazy to think when my parents were growing up, Winnipeg was the biggest city on the prairies!

[PoscStudent]

St. John's had 10,000 on Saskatoon in 1976 and now they have about 75,000 on us. :(

[Surrealplaces]

^ Amazing growth for Calgary since 1976.

1976 - Winnipeg was significantly larger than Calgary and is now almost half the size.
1986 - Edmonton had over 100k more people than Calgary.
1996 - Ottawa had almost 200k more people than Calgary!

Calgary, Vancouver and Toronto have all more than doubled since 1976!

[ue]

Interesting stats. Go Winnipeg, I can definitely see it hitting the 900K mark shortly and then being the next "million" city, with Québec shortly thereafter. I was kinda hoping Montréal would hit the 4 million mark, but I won't hold my breath. Calgary will probably be at 1.35-1.4 million come the 2016 census, with Edmonton around 1.25-1.3 and Ottawa at about 1.3-1.35. That's my guess, anyways.

wooow Saskatoon! :banana:

I think the reason that Edmonton lags behind Calgary on the forum is because they don't build all the fancy shiny buildings!

Huge population losses in Windsor, unfortunate for them

Reminds me a lot of what Saskatchewan went through economically during the 90's

Seriously WTF? You know a city is more than glossed over office towers to gawk at, right? I don't recall cities like Rome, London, or even Ottawa being particularly known for skyscrapers yet they're known and certainly not cities lagging behind. I think Calgary just promotes itself better to be honest. Edmontonians are known for doing a shit job at promoting their city (don't take the boosters on this forum as representative of Edmontonians in general for those who don't know).

Edmonton has many great things going for it, such as a more prominent university, outstanding river valley, and no offense to Calgary, but it has no area with the vibrancy of Whyte Ave. (though it does make up for it with having more "activity nodes", that's for sure). Also keep in mind for most of Alberta's history, Edmonton was the larger, more prominent city without the tallest, most prominent buildings. Edmonton is still starting up new buildings in this recession (Mayfair, the Pearl, anyone?) and has not anywhere near the vacancy rates of Calgary. Many things to be proud of and to be known for, we just do a shit job promoting it.

[The_Architect]

^ Amazing growth for Calgary since 1976.

1976 - Winnipeg was significantly larger than Calgary and is now almost half the size.
1986 - Edmonton had over 100k more people than Calgary.
1996 - Ottawa had almost 200k more people than Calgary!

Calgary, Vancouver and Toronto have all more than doubled since 1976!

Do the Toronto counts include the change from the amalgamation in 98?

[Gdoggy]

Do the Toronto counts include the change from the amalgamation in 98?

the merge was for the city, they were all in the same CMA, so the count would still be the same.

[Ramako]

Do the Toronto counts include the change from the amalgamation in 98?

Why would there be a change? It's a measure of the CMA.

[PoscStudent]

I hadn't realized that it was only recently that Calgary overtook Edmonton as Alberta's largest city.

[Tarsus]

I hadn't realized that it was only recently that Calgary overtook Edmonton as Alberta's largest city.

2001 census is when Calgary passed Edmonton. I'm not sure of the actual year, but I believe 1999 was the actual year based on estimations.

I know where you're coming from though. When I first moved to Calgary in 1989 I thought Calgary was the bigger city. I suppose it had a bigger municipal population at the time.

[Tarsus]

I would give Whyte Ave the edge over 17th ave for vibrancy, but not by much. IMO they are both similar and comparable. Whyte Ave has a few more bars, but otherwise very similar. You can find the same kind of action on 17th as you can on Whyte.

I'm not sure if you're inferring that Calgary isn't seeing startups during this recession, if so, well, Calgary is too. Luna, Waterfront II, Oslo, and Luminance (three towers) all have started despite Calgary supposedly being overbuilt. There's also great retail mixed use projects like Inglewood Art Block and Hansen's square that have started during the downturn.



Edmonton has many great things going for it, such as a more prominent university, outstanding river valley, and no offense to Calgary, but it has no area with the vibrancy of Whyte Ave. (though it does make up for it with having more "activity nodes", that's for sure). Also keep in mind for most of Alberta's history, Edmonton was the larger, more prominent city without the tallest, most prominent buildings. Edmonton is still starting up new buildings in this recession (Mayfair, the Pearl, anyone?) and has not anywhere near the vacancy rates of Calgary. Many things to be proud of and to be known for, we just do a shit job promoting it.

[ue]

^I actually find 17th lacking the type of retail Whyte offers. And yes, both Alberta cities should be proud of their economic situation, it's just that I was mentioning things Edmonton in particular should be proud of (Calgary too!) but doesn't show to the rest of Canada, North America, or the world. For example, I know there's talk of some other projects in Edmonton starting in the next year or two, and I'm sure Calgary has some of that as well.

[Tarsus]

^I actually find 17th lacking the type of retail Whyte offers. And yes, both Alberta cities should be proud of their economic situation, it's just that I was mentioning things Edmonton in particular should be proud of (Calgary too!) but doesn't show to the rest of Canada, North America, or the world. For example, I know there's talk of some other projects in Edmonton starting in the next year or two, and I'm sure Calgary has some of that as well.

Hey I'm not trying to be negative about Edmonton, I just disagree with your comment about Calgary having nothing like Whyte ave. when you say 17th ave lacks the type of retail that Whyte offers, which retail are you meaning?

[ue]

Hmm...nothing in particular, I guess, just the overall mix. Maybe it's that it's less concentrated? I mean, if you include 4th St in Mission and the environs that intersect with 17th, such as 8th, 14th, 1st, MacLeod, etc. then they're definitely equal (maybe with an edge given to what is essentially the Beltline/Mission). But as a single strip, the main portion of Whyte Ave. between Gateway and 109th St. has a lot more packed into it than say 17th between 11th and 5th. I think that is more of what I meant, sorry.

[Tarsus]

Hmm...nothing in particular, I guess, just the overall mix. Maybe it's that it's less concentrated? I mean, if you include 4th St in Mission and the environs that intersect with 17th, such as 8th, 14th, 1st, MacLeod, etc. then they're definitely equal (maybe with an edge given to what is essentially the Beltline/Mission). But as a single strip, the main portion of Whyte Ave. between Gateway and 109th St. has a lot more packed into it than say 17th between 11th and 5th. I think that is more of what I meant, sorry.

Good answer Edmontonenthusiast lol!

I was just curious. This subject has been debated several times over, here and on other forums. It always comes out the same way, the Whyte ave strip between Gateway and 109th has more businesses and more density of business. The whole strip of each (17th: 2nd street SW - 14th street SW) and (Whyte Ave: 99th - 109th) usually end up somewhat comparable. I've seen debates go as far as counting every business, and in the end those two entire strips are quite similar. Whyte ave has more bars/restaurants from what I remember. Something like 88 compared to 71 (17th)

[ue]

^yeah, I think there are more bars on Whyte. The road is known for that. I also think Whyte has more chains (Roots, lululemon, Chapters, Shoppers, Lush, American Apparel etc.) than 17th, but if you include 4th, MacLeod, etc. they're about the same. I think Whyte, ironically, at the same time prides itself on it's indie/bohemian/artsy vibe which I think is mostly reserved for Inglewood in Calgary. Those would probably be the big differences along with the concentration thing I wrote a couple posts back.

I think with Whyte Ave., it's more concentrated between 109th and Gateway (or 103rd St.) and "East Whyte" is only beginning to get action (area between 103/Gateway and 99th) but for now most haven't "crossed the tracks" (for those that don't know, there literally are train tracks at Gateway and Whyte Ave.). With 17th, though, I think it's more evenly spread out between 4th St and 14th St., with a slightly higher concentration of business that attracts vibrancy around Tomkins Park. So yes, if you include the "whole" strip, they're comparable, but personally, I'd still give the edge to Whyte for vibrancy. Things like the Fringe, Ice on Whyte, and the Old Strathcona Farmers Market really boost the vibrancy of the area.

[giallo]

Whats happen to kelowna guys???

Kelowna was hit hard by the recession; a lot of people from Vancouver and Alberta sold their second homes there, baby-boomers that hadn't retired yet decided to put a few more years in their respective cities before moving to Kelowna/Okanagan. These are a couple of reasons for the slow down. Kelowna went from adding 9000 people between 2007-2008 to just 800 people between 2009-2010. A pretty big drop.

[BretttheRiderFan]

Interesting stats. Go Winnipeg, I can definitely see it hitting the 900K mark shortly and then being the next "million" city, with Québec shortly thereafter. I was kinda hoping Montréal would hit the 4 million mark, but I won't hold my breath. Calgary will probably be at 1.35-1.4 million come the 2016 census, with Edmonton around 1.25-1.3 and Ottawa at about 1.3-1.35. That's my guess, anyways.



Seriously WTF? You know a city is more than glossed over office towers to gawk at, right? I don't recall cities like Rome, London, or even Ottawa being particularly known for skyscrapers yet they're known and certainly not cities lagging behind. I think Calgary just promotes itself better to be honest. Edmontonians are known for doing a shit job at promoting their city (don't take the boosters on this forum as representative of Edmontonians in general for those who don't know).

Edmonton has many great things going for it, such as a more prominent university, outstanding river valley, and no offense to Calgary, but it has no area with the vibrancy of Whyte Ave. (though it does make up for it with having more "activity nodes", that's for sure). Also keep in mind for most of Alberta's history, Edmonton was the larger, more prominent city without the tallest, most prominent buildings. Edmonton is still starting up new buildings in this recession (Mayfair, the Pearl, anyone?) and has not anywhere near the vacancy rates of Calgary. Many things to be proud of and to be known for, we just do a shit job promoting it.

Dude, I LIVE IN EDMONTON!

I WAS NOT IN ANY WAY PUTTING DOWN THE CITY

Re-read what I said

I was responding to an earlier post where a poster said something along the lines of "I didn't realize Edmonton was almost the same size as Calgary because we don't hear about it on the forum as much"

I NEVER ONCE said that Edmonton lags behind Calgary, I said it lags behind on the forum, because it doesn't have all the big shiny new buildings of Calgary

I prefer Edmonton city-wise to Calgary, it just has a different vibe altogether like it's more of a real community with more of a soul

[ue]

Dude, I LIVE IN EDMONTON!

I WAS NOT IN ANY WAY PUTTING DOWN THE CITY

Re-read what I said

I was responding to an earlier post where a poster said something along the lines of "I didn't realize Edmonton was almost the same size as Calgary because we don't hear about it on the forum as much"

I NEVER ONCE said that Edmonton lags behind Calgary, I said it lags behind on the forum, because it doesn't have all the big shiny new buildings of Calgary

I prefer Edmonton city-wise to Calgary, it just has a different vibe altogether like it's more of a real community with more of a soul

Really?

Came across this old thread in skyscraper page http://www.skyscrapercity.com/archive/index.php/t-175691.html

It's about city rivalries in the US mainly, and I realized that Canada has far better rivalries it seems. Which do you think is the greatest?

I can think of the obvious ones; Edmonton vs Calgary, Toronto vs Montreal, Ottawa vs Toronto, Regina vs Saskatoon etc. What are the biggest city rivalries in the nation?

(PS: Edmonton sucks)

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=186540

By any chance do you actually read (I didn't see you post) the Edmonton forum? It's fairly active. Keep in mind Calgary has one of the highest populations on this forum (along with Vancouver, I think), so of course it's represented less. Toronto, for being such a large city and people being annoyed at so much posts on minor construction updates in the Canada forum is also slightly under-represented. Both Toronto and Edmonton also have their own forums separate from SkyscraperPage, urbantoronto and connect2edmonton. Victoria also has vibrantvictoria and Montreal has mtlurb. I think Winnipeg also has one.

But in general, yes, Edmonton is kind of overshadowed by Calgary for the reason I already stated. It doesn't have to do with shiny skyscrapers though, aside from in lists like the tallest buildings under construction. The name of this website is misleading, it's more than just skyscrapers, it's the urban realm in general.

[freeweed]

:previous: wow, I'm only 16, it's crazy to think when my parents were growing up, Winnipeg was the biggest city on the prairies!

Now you understand how depressing Winnipeg had gotten for those of us who lived through that. Basically in my lifetime it went from the biggest in the west (Vancouver/BC has always stood alone, like the cheese) to smallest "big city", and was well on the way to becoming a very minor player in the country. Yeah, the oil boom was something beyond our control, but still - there was a very large stagnation period where just about nothing happened in the city. My entire adult life consisted of watching the city stall.

This assumes of course that you care about growth or change in the city you live in. Many do not.

[Gdoggy]

Population on July 1
change
2006 2010 06 - 10
========= ========= =======
Durham 584,361 620,427 36,066
Halton 457,789 506,900 49,111
Peel 1,213,451 1,338,981 125,530
Toronto 2,610,617 2,720,024 109,417
York 931,874 1,040,539 108,665


Source: Statscan

[caltrane74]

Wow if Halton is over 500,000 there is no way that oakville and burlington are 150,000 each, cause that means there are 205,000 halton residents that have no home.

GTA - 6.5 million people is about 1 year away based on these numbers.

GTA - plus Hamilton already over 7 million people or at it within the year (thats alot of people)

[Gdoggy]

Wow if Halton is over 500,000 there is no way that oakville and burlington are 150,000 each, cause that means there are 205,000 halton residents that have no home.


appx estimates for Halton Region

Oakville 185,000
Burlington 175,000
Milton 84,000
Halton Hills 62,000

[caltrane74]

I see Milton is the new Barrie. Fastest growing city in the Country.. without doubt. But it is not it's own CMA, so it's growth gets piled back into Toronto. Brampton is also growing very, very fast. doubling in population every 10 years.

Barrie's growth has slowed down considerably, as people do not want to commute such a far distance to their jobs in Toronto.

[Only The Lonely..]

I have been awaiting this day for the last week or so. Winnipeg has surpassed 750,000 people!!! I was really hoping we would regain the #7 spot, but Quebec is still 800 people ahead of us. So close. Maybe next year?

I brought this up in the MB section, the mayor stated yesterday in his State of the City speech that Winnipeg has been growing at a rate of 18,000 - 20,000 each year for the last 2 years.

[ST1]

Aside from this forum, Edmonton getting overshadowed is more to do with the media. The word 'Calgary' shows up in Canadian media 3 times as many times as the word 'Edmonton'



But in general, yes, Edmonton is kind of overshadowed by Calgary for the reason I already stated. It doesn't have to do with shiny skyscrapers though, aside from in lists like the tallest buildings under construction. The name of this website is misleading, it's more than just skyscrapers, it's the urban realm in general.

[Only The Lonely..]

Excuse my ignorance, but what was that one industry that Winnipeg was dependent on?

None really, that's the thing.

Winnipeg has a pretty diverse economy, so no one industry dominates the economic landscape.

As a result, the city is subject to slow modest growth without decline rather than the big speculative booms of cities who have all their eggs in one basket.

I don't know if that's a good thing, myself I'm all for the booms..but at least your home never loses value in Winnipeg.

Also because of our slow and steady local economy, it's still possible for a guy in his twenties like myself to buy a 2000 sq ft house and be able to pay it off in his lifetime.

[Me&You]

None really, that's the thing.

Winnipeg has a pretty diverse economy, so no one industry dominates the economic landscape.

As a result, the city is subject to slow modest growth without decline rather than the big speculative booms of cities who have all their eggs in one basket.

I don't know if that's a good thing, myself I'm all for the booms..but at least your home never loses value in Winnipeg.

Also because of our slow and steady local economy, it's still possible for a guy in his twenties like myself to buy a 2000 sq ft house and be able to pay it off in his lifetime.

Interesting - that's kind of what I'd thought. Though, the poster I quoted specified a "main industry" that died, and I wasn't sure what that used to be...

[jigglysquishy]

Quick question

On the original article posted it says population per 2006 CMA boundaries. I think its a safe assumption that every 5 years the CMA boundaries are revisited.

Does this mean when the 2011 census comes out we could see a much larger jump in our CMA populations as places that previously weren't a part of the CMA now are?

[vid]

o wow thunderbay gained people

My head aspload.

Sucks for Sudbury and Windsor.:(

Sudbury will probably be getting a Ferrocrhome smelter with 500 direct jobs and around 1,500 indirect jobs associated with it. They'll regain those loses and then some 5 years from now.

Even though Thunder Bay didn't get the smelter (we would have if CN hadn't torn up the line between here and Longlac two years ago), we can still benefit in other ways from the Ring of Fire. Ten years from now Northern Ontario will be a different place.

[PoscStudent]

I wish they gave a breakdown of the communities within the CMA's. While it may be a small place I noticed on the town of Paradise's website that their population is around 17,000 which is up from 12,500 in 2006. In 2006 the town had grown 31%. The city of St. John's was also experiencing little growth but now they've gotten into major urban sprawl so I'd like to see how they've done, guess I'll have to wait till next year.

[ue]

Aside from this forum, Edmonton getting overshadowed is more to do with the media. The word 'Calgary' shows up in Canadian media 3 times as many times as the word 'Edmonton'

I agree completely. I already stated it was because we lack promoting and marketing of our city. Even our brand new, amazing art gallery that is just over a year old...the Art Gallery of Alberta...I think 80 or 90% of the visitors came from the Capital region and another 5-10% from the rest of Alberta.

But on this forum, I think it's decently represented. When you consider there is a higher populations of Calgarians and Vancouverites on this forum, it makes sense they're mentioned more. So for the proportion of members in Edmonton relative to other areas in Canada/the World, I think we're decently represented. I'm pretty sure there's more Edmonton forumers than forumers in most major European cities, or any major Asian city, for that matter, even though in the real world, Chongquing, Tianjin, Yokohama, and Moscow have much more people.

[raggedy13]

Quick question

On the original article posted it says population per 2006 CMA boundaries. I think its a safe assumption that every 5 years the CMA boundaries are revisited.

Does this mean when the 2011 census comes out we could see a much larger jump in our CMA populations as places that previously weren't a part of the CMA now are?

I'd say it depends on what CMA you live in. I would imagine that the Prairie CMAs without any real barriers to growth would have a higher likelihood of having their CMA boundaries revised. But for some CMAs like Vancouver the boundary is quite static. Here we won't see a boundary revision ever unless the Vancouver and Abbotsford CMAs merge (or perhaps until we manage to somehow pull Squamish into our CMA).

[MolsonExport]

Toronto 2,610,617 2,720,024 109,417
great numbers for the former metro toronto. Miketoronto must have missed it.

[BretttheRiderFan]

Really?



http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=186540

By any chance do you actually read (I didn't see you post) the Edmonton forum? It's fairly active. Keep in mind Calgary has one of the highest populations on this forum (along with Vancouver, I think), so of course it's represented less. Toronto, for being such a large city and people being annoyed at so much posts on minor construction updates in the Canada forum is also slightly under-represented. Both Toronto and Edmonton also have their own forums separate from SkyscraperPage, urbantoronto and connect2edmonton. Victoria also has vibrantvictoria and Montreal has mtlurb. I think Winnipeg also has one.

But in general, yes, Edmonton is kind of overshadowed by Calgary for the reason I already stated. It doesn't have to do with shiny skyscrapers though, aside from in lists like the tallest buildings under construction. The name of this website is misleading, it's more than just skyscrapers, it's the urban realm in general.

Well Edmonton does suck, by definition :jester:

[ue]

^
Again, WTF?

No, Edmonton doesn't suck. Maybe if you got to know the city more, you'd understand. There are things I can't stand about Edmonton, or Calgary, or Vancouver, or Winnipeg, or whatever, but seriously man, every city has some sort of redeeming quality I think. Even a city like Phoenix, which no offense to those who love it, I have a hard time liking because it does do a poor job with urbanity for it's size. But Phoenix has redeeming qualities, like Tempe, like some of the projects they've got going in their downtown, and some of the neighbourhoods surrounding Phoenix's downtown make for great grit photos.

There are many great things about Edmonton that people don't realize. Like I said before, it ties into Edmonton not promoting itself. I think the Art Gallery of Alberta is the best in Western Canada (maybe tied with Vancouver Art Gallery), for example. The river valley system is very unique in my opinion. Sure, cities like Calgary or even Saskatoon have smaller versions of it, but not to the same scale.

[sdimedru]

^
Again, WTF?

No, Edmonton doesn't suck. Maybe if you got to know the city more, you'd understand. There are things I can't stand about Edmonton, or Calgary, or Vancouver, or Winnipeg, or whatever, but seriously man, every city has some sort of redeeming quality I think. Even a city like Phoenix, which no offense to those who love it, I have a hard time liking because it does do a poor job with urbanity for it's size. But Phoenix has redeeming qualities, like Tempe, like some of the projects they've got going in their downtown, and some of the neighbourhoods surrounding Phoenix's downtown make for great grit photos.

There are many great things about Edmonton that people don't realize. Like I said before, it ties into Edmonton not promoting itself. I think the Art Gallery of Alberta is the best in Western Canada (maybe tied with Vancouver Art Gallery), for example. The river valley system is very unique in my opinion. Sure, cities like Calgary or even Saskatoon have smaller versions of it, but not to the same scale.

well put

keep in mind that brett's photo is a combination of saskatchewan roughriders (who hate edmonton) and calgary flames (who hate edmonton)

of course I'm making generalizations, but you get it...

[ue]

^Ironically, he said he prefers Edmonton to Calgary. Sports do not equal a city, and therefore sports rivalries shouldn't taint one's opinion of a city. You may hate everything about the Canadiens but it's hard to deny Montreal is awesome.

[feepa]

cause roughrider fans love Calgary and Calgarians? what was the point of that?

[ue]

The point of what? I'm sure there are Roughrider fans who love or like Calgary and ones that don't. Some can look past sports rivalries and judge the city for the city and not the sports teams. Many can't, otherwise the Calgary-Edmonton rivalry would be reduced (not fully because obviously there are other factors).

[dsim249]

^


There are many great things about Edmonton that people don't realize. Like I said before, it ties into Edmonton not promoting itself. I think the Art Gallery of Alberta is the best in Western Canada (maybe tied with Vancouver Art Gallery), for example. The river valley system is very unique in my opinion. Sure, cities like Calgary or even Saskatoon have smaller versions of it, but not to the same scale.

You'll have the Art Gallery of Saskatchewan in contention soon enough!

We're crossing our fingers here in Saskatoon for something spectacular. Plans to be unveiled later this year. :tup:

[BLACK STAR]

Wholly shite...what a bunch of trash shite. Get some substance!!!!!!!!!! Its like that guy from Qualico is dropping a couple irrelevant sentences.

[BretttheRiderFan]

Looks like I started an inquiry...:haha:

I should explain

I was born and lived in Saskatoon until I was 14, and have split my time between Grande Prairie and Edmonton the last two years (unfortunately I haven't figured out how to change the location on my profile)

I don't actually hate any city you guys, my "Edmonton sucks" post was on a RIVALRY THREAD, it was a reference more to the sports teams and their fans than the city

As for my comments about Edmonton which edmontonenthusiast (what an unbiased name) twisted around, I stated that sometimes the city lags behind Calgary in prestige on the thread because Calgary has more large scale construction in the recent past

[Canadian Mind]

I don't actually hate any city you guys, my "Edmonton sucks" post was on a RIVALRY THREAD, it was a reference more to the sports teams and their fans than the city


Too bad the same can't be said about the country's unified disdain for Toronto... if only there were more things holding this country together. :(

[ue]

Wholly shite...what a bunch of trash shite. Get some substance!!!!!!!!!! Its like that guy from Qualico is dropping a couple irrelevant sentences.

you mean "cdnklc"? He has some of the best posts on the Edmonton forum!

Looks like I started an inquiry...:haha:

I should explain

I was born and lived in Saskatoon until I was 14, and have split my time between Grande Prairie and Edmonton the last two years (unfortunately I haven't figured out how to change the location on my profile)

I don't actually hate any city you guys, my "Edmonton sucks" post was on a RIVALRY THREAD, it was a reference more to the sports teams and their fans than the city

As for my comments about Edmonton which edmontonenthusiast (what an unbiased name) twisted around, I stated that sometimes the city lags behind Calgary in prestige on the thread because Calgary has more large scale construction in the recent past

You can change your location under "User CP" in the top left corner of your window. Then go to "Edit Profile" on the left bar.

Your post in question was in a thread about urban rivalries, not sports team rivalries. Who cares what my user name is? It's not like "BretttheRiderFan" is an unbiased user name either. And just an F.Y.I., I have on multiple occasions been negative about Edmonton despite my user name.

You are probably right about recognition, especially outside this forum in the real world or on other sites.

EDIT: I think I should add I'm not disagreeing with you about Edmonton being less recognized in case you did not get that. I'm disagreeing on the reason because it's not because Edmonton isn't building huge buildings like the Bow and Eighth Avenue Place. On the forum, it's because there are way more Calgarians, which leads to more raw numbers of people posting in the Calgary local, the Canada forum, etc. about Calgary in comparison to Edmonton. In the real world (and a little bit on this forum, too), where Edmonton and Calgary are very close together in population, it is because Edmonton doesn't market/promote itself. It may not be building the tallest building in Western Canada, but it could be easily be promoting to death the many new expansions to the 2nd largest university in Western Canada, the overwhelming support of the recent light rail expansions (leading to overcrowding), our new low floor light rail concepts going through council, our shiny new art gallery, the first office tower in over 20 years, our great economic situation, the expansion of Southgate Mall...which is really quite nice, or the closure of the City Centre Airport being finalized which will lead to a massive, new transit orientated development, as well as relieving the city of it's height limits. But is it? No. So what do people hear about Edmonton? Squat. So what do people know about Edmonton? Squat. So how much is Edmonton mentioned outside of Alberta? Squat.

[Blitz]

I thought I might as well post this here

I extrapolated the 2009-2010 data. Here is the estimate for Canada; 2020.

Toronto: 6,904,000
Montreal: 4,285,000
Vancouver: 2,990,000
Calgary: 1,483,000
Ottawa: 1,461,000
Edmonton: 1,390,000
Winnipeg: 873,000
Quebec City: 847,000
Hamilton: 798,000
Kitchener: 550,000

That's the top 10. Here's 11-20.

London: 525,000
Halifax: 461,000
Oshawa: 418,000
St.Catherines: 410,000
Victoria: 401,000
Saskatoon: 348,000
Windsor: 320,000
Regina: 267,000
Sherbrooke: 220,000
St. John's: 218,000


You can't estimate for 2020 by extrapolating from just one year. For example, Windsor will not keep losing population every year this decade. Through its entire history there have been rapid growth spurts followed by rapid declines followed by rapid spurts. The latest turnaround has already started.

[trueviking]

I think the Art Gallery of Alberta is the best in Western Canada (maybe tied with Vancouver Art Gallery)

both a distant second to the oldest art gallery in western canada, the largest collection of inuit art in the world and one of the most significant modernist buildings in the country....the WAG :)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4088/4992219056_73c9af79ff.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4088/4992219056_73c9af79ff.jpg

it isn't just on this site that calgary outshines edmonton....tell a normal person that edmonton and calgary are the same size and they wont believe you....calgary has the sexy reputation that edmonton just doesn't have....calgary is a media creation...

[ue]

I've been to the WAG, AGA IMO trumps it. But it's a matter of opinion really. I never denied Calgary outshines Edmonton in general knowledge, what I had a problem with was Brett's reason. It's not because we aren't building an equivalent to the Bow, it's because we do a shit job promoting ourselves and showing the good parts of our city. Because if we did, maybe people wouldn't think we have 700,000 (akin to Winnipeg, Quebec, Hamilton).

[mintzilla]

^ you have a point but everytime we try and do some promoting people complain about it. mostly people that live in Edmonton ironically. people dont want to spend money on anything worth promoting also, just potholes and snow clearing. i seriously dont know how some people here even go on living, all they do is complain and whine and moan and never ever try and improve the situation at all. i think deep down people arnt happy unless they have something insignificant to complain about.