[Cirrus]

MSA GDP numbers for 2009 were released today:
http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_metro/gdp_metro_newsrelease.htm

Here are the first 100:

New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island 1,210,387
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 730,941
Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 508,712
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 407,463
Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 363,201
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 356,615
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 335,563
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 335,112
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 298,256
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 264,700

Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 252,647
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 228,797
Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ 190,725
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 189,801
Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 185,800
San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 171,471
Denver-Aurora-Broomfield, CO 152,868
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA 147,370
Baltimore-Towson, MD 138,420
St. Louis, MO-IL 124,558

Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA 117,006
Pittsburgh, PA 111,597
Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 111,377
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 110,565
Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC 110,427
Kansas City, MO-KS 103,137
Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH 103,020
Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL 100,711
Indianapolis-Carmel, IN 98,799
Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN 98,260

Sacramento-Arden-Arcade-Roseville, CA 94,391
Las Vegas-Paradise, NV 91,742
Columbus, OH 91,308
Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI 82,692
Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC 79,600
Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT 79,424
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT 78,805
Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos, TX 78,426
San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX 77,712
Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Franklin, TN 75,764

New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA 68,008
Salt Lake City, UT 65,221
Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA 64,341
Memphis, TN-MS-AR 62,735
Richmond, VA 61,447
Oklahoma City, OK 61,099
Jacksonville, FL 58,303
Louisville-Jefferson County, KY-IN 55,850
Birmingham-Hoover, AL 53,276
Raleigh-Cary, NC 52,556

Honolulu, HI 50,071
Tulsa, OK 47,066
Omaha-Council Bluffs, NE-IA 45,733
Rochester, NY 43,517
Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY 43,157
Baton Rouge, LA 39,686
Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY 39,597
New Haven-Milford, CT 38,834
Des Moines-West Des Moines, IA 37,719
Albuquerque, NM 35,498

Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA 34,962
Madison, WI 34,786
Durham-Chapel Hill, NC 34,285
Dayton, OH 32,897
Little Rock-North Little Rock-Conway, AR 32,884
Tucson, AZ 32,697
Greensboro-High Point, NC 31,829
Grand Rapids-Wyoming, MI 31,657
Columbia, SC 31,101
Bakersfield-Delano, CA 29,053

Fresno, CA 29,017
Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton, PA-NJ 28,597
Knoxville, TN 28,424
Harrisburg-Carlisle, PA 28,064
Worcester, MA 28,043
Wichita, KS 26,967
Akron, OH 26,944
Charleston-North Charleston-Summerville, SC 26,691
Syracuse, NY 26,352
El Paso, TX 26,333

Trenton-Ewing, NJ 25,409
Toledo, OH 25,397
Anchorage, AK 25,368
Colorado Springs, CO 25,270
Portland-South Portland-Biddeford, ME 25,201
Boise City-Nampa, ID 24,771
Greenville-Mauldin-Easley, SC 24,762
Jackson, MS 23,689
North Port-Bradenton-Sarasota, FL 23,067
Springfield, MA 22,514

Lexington-Fayette, KY 22,114
Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY 21,499
Manchester-Nashua, NH 20,865
Winston-Salem, NC 20,785
Chattanooga, TN-GA 20,285
Cape Coral-Fort Myers, FL 19,910
Huntsville, AL 19,882
Stockton, CA 19,698
Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA 19,603
Reno-Sparks, NV 19,546

[emathias]

MSA GDP numbers for 2009 were released today:
http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_metro/gdp_metro_newsrelease.htm

Here are the first 100:

New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island 1,210,387
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 730,941
Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 508,712
...


Lots of P out there (p for product, of course).

So using nominal GDP numbers, New York is basically Australia, Los Angeles is The Netherlands, and Chicago is either Belgium or Switzerland.

Using PPP GDP numbers, New York is basically Canada, Los Angeles is Poland, and Chicago is between Egypt and South Africa.

[tech12]

numbers for the entire Bay Area (San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland CSA):

San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA - 335,563
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA - 147,370
Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA - 19,603
Vallejo-Fairfield, CA - 15,765
Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA - 9,969
Napa, CA - 7,057

total - 535,327

Up from $508.418 billion in 2008 (http://bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_metro/2009/gdp_metro0909.htm)

[brickell]

With added map goodiness showing 4 general areas of decline, Great Lakes Rust Belt, Carolina Crescent, Florida and Interior SW

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_metro/2011/_images/gdpma_0211.png
src: http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_metro/2011/_images/gdpma_0211.png

[Minato Ku]

If you want an international comparaison.
In 2009, Paris metropolitan area (Ile de France) had a GDP of $768.9 billion.

[babybackribs2314]

NY and DC are, respectively, pretty far ahead of all others in terms of numerical gain from 2006-2009 (roughly 55B and 40B respectively). San Francisco and Houston were both next, with gains of roughly 30 billion, and Seattle, Philadelphia, Dallas, LA, and Boston all look to have performed decently as well (again, numerically, not %).

It's pretty striking that DC's GDP is becoming so large relative to its population (SF as well). I believe by MSA DC is ranked #7 or 8 in the country, so a jump that large is fairly striking. Also, by CSA, DC-Baltimore ranks well ahead of Chicago for the #3 spot.

[emathias]

If you want an international comparaison.
In 2009, Paris metropolitan area (Ile de France) had a GDP of $768.9 billion.

Nominal or PPP?

[phillyaggie]

I wonder how various metros would stack up if we did a GDP per capita comparison. I know that some sun belt towns have been booming in population, so it is natural for them to also rise in terms of local economy. But are they attracting a lot of the moneyed class? Or the "creative" class? Things like patents filed, degrees awarded, etc could show a bigger picture of the health of a metro's economy.

[emathias]

I wonder how various metros would stack up if we did a GDP per capita comparison. I know that some sun belt towns have been booming in population, so it is natural for them to also rise in terms of local economy. But are they attracting a lot of the moneyed class? Or the "creative" class? Things like patents filed, degrees awarded, etc could show a bigger picture of the health of a metro's economy.

A selected number of MSAs from around the country. Sorted by 2009, highest to lowest (scroll to far right column).

Metropolitan Area 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA (MSA) $67,299 $63,932 $65,036 $70,135 $74,596 $78,915 $83,715 $84,089 $79,604
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA (MSA) $63,260 $62,931 $63,857 $65,999 $69,119 $70,676 $71,535 $72,512 $72,259
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV $59,801 $60,687 $62,135 $64,590 $66,692 $67,367 $67,859 $68,319 $67,344
Des Moines-West Des Moines, IA (MSA) $54,882 $55,515 $58,058 $62,750 $64,079 $62,286 $67,235 $61,939 $61,666
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA (MSA) $55,905 $55,434 $55,761 $56,419 $58,257 $60,275 $63,411 $63,722 $61,282
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH (MSA) $56,739 $56,299 $56,936 $58,388 $59,195 $60,137 $61,168 $61,071 $59,375
Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX (MSA) $60,317 $59,409 $57,162 $59,814 $56,913 $58,146 $61,249 $58,795 $58,754
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, $54,637 $53,985 $53,823 $55,090 $57,173 $59,502 $60,509 $60,042 $57,338
Denver-Aurora-Broomfield, CO (MSA) $55,186 $55,327 $54,822 $55,226 $56,510 $57,060 $57,035 $56,900 $55,957
Madison, WI (MSA) $49,840 $50,947 $51,524 $53,275 $54,770 $55,478 $56,525 $56,114 $55,612
Boulder, CO (MSA) $52,054 $50,101 $50,479 $52,550 $54,265 $54,706 $57,460 $57,378 $54,307
New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA (MSA) $49,100 $48,953 $50,681 $52,576 $51,994 $63,702 $54,573 $50,481 $53,835
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI (MSA) $52,572 $52,788 $54,055 $55,830 $56,406 $55,832 $55,727 $55,222 $52,974
Salt Lake City, UT (MSA) $48,693 $47,826 $47,076 $47,575 $49,735 $51,643 $53,789 $53,434 $52,733
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA (MSA) $46,147 $46,723 $47,820 $50,065 $51,848 $54,021 $54,673 $54,471 $52,158
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX (MSA) $52,210 $53,108 $51,948 $53,775 $53,590 $54,387 $55,182 $53,808 $52,100
San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA (MSA) $44,252 $46,036 $47,396 $49,700 $51,524 $52,568 $52,929 $52,905 $51,035
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD $46,765 $47,856 $49,212 $49,896 $50,378 $51,009 $51,760 $51,579 $50,889
Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA (MSA) $41,256 $41,617 $42,140 $45,841 $46,872 $51,612 $53,100 $53,304 $50,863
Cheyenne, WY (MSA) $39,301 $40,415 $41,586 $42,681 $43,330 $45,915 $47,806 $48,288 $50,769
Indianapolis-Carmel, IN (MSA) $51,452 $51,229 $51,956 $53,614 $53,900 $53,982 $54,257 $53,019 $50,471
Honolulu, HI (MSA) $41,570 $42,446 $43,699 $45,807 $47,310 $48,660 $49,614 $50,203 $49,289
Oklahoma City, OK (MSA) $39,573 $39,484 $39,950 $41,241 $40,523 $42,256 $42,312 $43,059 $48,507
Omaha-Council Bluffs, NE-IA (MSA) $45,669 $46,330 $47,622 $48,515 $48,599 $49,722 $50,714 $49,778 $48,506
Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI (MSA) $45,853 $45,801 $46,577 $47,386 $48,392 $49,864 $50,086 $50,293 $48,256
Tulsa, OK (MSA) $41,661 $41,366 $40,505 $41,809 $42,610 $44,556 $44,683 $45,407 $48,180
Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI (MSA) $48,606 $48,511 $48,887 $49,998 $50,381 $51,278 $51,891 $50,607 $47,973
Baltimore-Towson, MD (MSA) $42,608 $43,155 $43,548 $44,975 $45,898 $46,581 $47,071 $47,089 $46,318
Ann Arbor, MI (MSA) $48,610 $51,139 $51,500 $50,238 $49,920 $49,028 $49,816 $47,625 $45,810
US Metro Average $43,059 $43,325 $43,783 $44,854 $45,697 $46,516 $46,937 $46,268 $44,703
Richmond, VA (MSA) $47,883 $46,926 $46,564 $46,487 $48,084 $47,136 $46,824 $46,091 $44,642
Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH (MSA) $43,848 $44,365 $45,230 $46,391 $46,488 $46,100 $46,560 $46,193 $44,407
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA (MSA) $50,140 $49,652 $49,180 $49,154 $49,260 $48,877 $48,899 $47,015 $44,124
Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL (MSA) $42,096 $42,978 $44,244 $45,311 $47,024 $47,776 $48,030 $46,447 $43,891
Santa Barbara-Santa Maria-Goleta, CA (MSA) $38,509 $39,619 $40,778 $42,220 $44,764 $45,123 $44,896 $44,126 $43,562
Las Vegas-Paradise, NV (MSA) $43,754 $43,320 $44,436 $46,758 $50,060 $50,067 $49,757 $47,368 $43,228
Pittsburgh, PA (MSA) $39,704 $40,330 $40,879 $41,709 $41,581 $42,050 $42,744 $43,100 $42,683
Raleigh-Cary, NC (MSA) $46,508 $45,064 $44,141 $44,104 $45,190 $45,590 $46,164 $45,140 $42,303
Reno-Sparks, NV (MSA) $44,198 $43,230 $42,779 $44,747 $45,497 $46,380 $47,434 $45,221 $41,845
Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL (MSA) $39,260 $39,514 $40,346 $41,651 $43,568 $44,977 $45,488 $43,810 $41,502
Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN (MSA) $42,183 $42,674 $42,929 $43,194 $43,394 $42,571 $42,695 $42,261 $40,829
Santa Fe, NM (MSA) $40,587 $46,626 $42,091 $41,915 $42,420 $43,902 $43,940 $43,481 $40,777
Sacramento-Arden-Arcade-Roseville, CA (MSA) $37,946 $39,382 $40,957 $41,792 $43,621 $44,103 $43,419 $41,841 $40,167
Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ (MSA) $40,957 $40,850 $41,800 $42,082 $43,477 $44,918 $44,575 $42,736 $40,012
St. Louis, MO-IL (MSA) $40,553 $41,591 $42,295 $42,212 $42,006 $41,232 $41,362 $41,893 $39,631
Boise City-Nampa, ID (MSA) $37,025 $36,788 $36,883 $40,310 $43,527 $41,880 $42,241 $41,279 $38,868
Albuquerque, NM (MSA) $37,853 $36,523 $38,345 $41,979 $41,603 $41,345 $39,875 $39,782 $38,733
Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI (MSA) $43,802 $44,486 $45,091 $44,268 $44,643 $43,302 $43,735 $42,110 $38,497
Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA (MSA) $38,103 $39,063 $39,189 $39,836 $41,641 $42,099 $41,773 $40,513 $37,667
Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL (MSA) $35,029 $36,154 $37,365 $38,209 $38,967 $39,759 $39,637 $38,266 $36,922
Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA (MSA) $33,869 $34,894 $36,127 $37,001 $36,972 $37,876 $37,539 $37,280 $36,242
San Luis Obispo-Paso Robles, CA (MSA) $31,071 $34,640 $36,441 $38,103 $39,214 $38,662 $38,098 $36,719 $35,873
Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA (MSA) $38,164 $37,633 $37,351 $36,995 $37,683 $38,391 $37,687 $35,901 $35,601
Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY (MSA) $31,160 $32,468 $32,867 $33,503 $33,827 $34,994 $35,124 $35,049 $34,472
San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX (MSA) $33,929 $33,723 $34,088 $34,676 $34,886 $35,273 $35,759 $35,006 $34,007
Savannah, GA (MSA) $33,948 $33,980 $33,955 $35,106 $36,110 $37,262 $36,885 $35,446 $33,389
Olympia, WA (MSA) $31,657 $31,225 $31,259 $31,326 $31,920 $32,672 $33,214 $32,264 $31,173
Scranton-Wilkes-Barre, PA (MSA) $29,258 $29,590 $30,210 $31,227 $31,313 $31,331 $31,947 $31,688 $31,107
Rockford, IL (MSA) $33,015 $32,942 $32,976 $33,125 $33,103 $33,684 $33,490 $32,517 $29,307
Tucson, AZ (MSA) $29,055 $27,987 $28,954 $28,887 $29,739 $30,311 $30,560 $30,060 $28,597
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA (MSA) $25,297 $25,319 $25,840 $26,560 $27,273 $27,338 $26,602 $25,423 $23,881
Provo-Orem, UT (MSA) $24,136 $24,270 $24,776 $24,429 $24,846 $25,341 $25,723 $24,960 $23,516
Pueblo, CO (MSA) $25,228 $24,550 $24,121 $24,865 $23,189 $22,707 $23,047 $23,625 $23,413
Prescott, AZ (MSA) $19,345 $19,330 $19,817 $19,525 $20,546 $21,705 $21,385 $19,986 $18,625

[Minato Ku]

Nominal or PPP?

Nominal like the other GDP figures posted here.

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

numbers for the entire Bay Area (San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland CSA):

San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA - 335,563
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA - 147,370
Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA - 19,603
Vallejo-Fairfield, CA - 15,765
Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA - 9,969
Napa, CA - 7,057

total - 535,327

Up from $508.418 billion in 2008 (http://bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_metro/2009/gdp_metro0909.htm)

i was gonna do the same for LA...

Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 730,941
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 110,565
Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA 34,962

Total 876,468 Billion

[Cirrus]

A selected number of MSAs from around the country. Sorted by 2009, highest to lowest (scroll to far right column).

San Jose-Sunnyvale
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria
Des Moines-West Des Moines
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy

Des Moines? WTF?

[Crawford]

How's Bridgeport-Stamford doing in terms of medians? I assume it's still the richest MSA by quite a bit.

I can't believe Detroit is now behind Phoenix and Minneapolis in total GDP. Really, really disappointing.

[shane453]

Wanted to see some % growth numbers... Obviously heavily affected by recession, but Oklahoma is powering through it with OKC and Tulsa at the top of the nation. Bay Area strong as well.

Top 10 Metro GDPs (greater than $30 billion) by %Growth 2006-2009


CITY 2006 2009 % change

Oklahoma City 49,640 59,532 19.93%
Tulsa 39,773 44,760 12.54%
Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown 318,922 344,741 8.10%
Salt Lake City 55,400 59,603 7.59%
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue 196,495 208,839 6.28%
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont 294,210 312,003 6.05%
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara 138,461 146,448 5.77%
Durham-Chapel Hill 30,679 32,328 5.38%
Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos 71,804 75,136 4.64%
Raleigh-Cary 45,543 47,626 4.57%

[KevinFromTexas]

I'm a little bit surprised to see Austin one spot above San Antonio. I think that's the first time that's happened.

[dimondpark]

2009 Combined Statistical Areas and Largest Metro Areas by GDP

1. New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA $1,379,570 Billion
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT Metro Area $78,805
Kingston, NY Metro Area $4,636
New Haven-Milford, CT Metro Area $38,834
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA Metro Area $1,210,387
Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY Metro Area $21,499
Torrington, CT Micro Area
Trenton-Ewing, NJ Metro Area $25,409

2. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA CSA $876.468 Billion
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA Metro Area $730,941
Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA Metro Area $34,962
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA Metro Area $110,565

3. Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA $550.549 Billion
Baltimore-Towson, MD Metro Area $138,420
Lexington Park, MD Micro Area
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area $407,463
Winchester, VA-WV Metro Area $4,666

4. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $535.327 Billion
Napa, CA Metro Area $7,057
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA Metro Area $335,563
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA Metro Area $147,370
Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA Metro Area $9,969
Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA Metro Area $19,603
Vallejo-Fairfield, CA Metro Area $15,765


5. Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI CSA $515.119 Billion
Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI Metro Area $508,712
Kankakee-Bradley, IL Metro Area $3,054
Michigan City-La Porte, IN Metro Area $3,353

6. Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH CSA $411.505 Billion
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH Metro Area $298,256
Concord, NH Micro Area
Manchester-Nashua, NH Metro Area $20,865
Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA Metro Area $64,341
Worcester, MA Metro Area $28,043

7. Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX CSA $363.201 Billion
Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX Metro Area $363.201

8. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX CSA $359.835 Billion
Athens, TX Micro Area
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX Metro Area $356,615
Sherman-Denison, TX Metro Area $3,220

9. Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $354.573 Billion
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD Metro Area $335,112
Reading, PA Metro Area $14,588
Vineland-Millville-Bridgeton, NJ Metro Area $4,873

10. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL $270.856 Billion
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA Metro Area $264.700
Gainesville, GA Metro Area $6,156

11. Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL Metro Area $252.647 Billion

12. Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia, WA CSA $251.636 Billion
Bremerton-Silverdale, WA Metro Area $8,809
Mount Vernon-Anacortes, WA Metro Area 5,219
Oak Harbor, WA Micro Area
Olympia, WA Metro Area $8,811
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA Metro Area $228,797

13. Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI CSA $217.394 Billion
Ann Arbor, MI Metro Area $17,583
Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI Metro Area $185,800
Flint, MI Metro Area $10.816
Monroe, MI Metro Area $3,495

14. Minneapolis-St Paul-St Cloud, MN-WI CSA $197.396 Billion
Minneapolis-St Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI Metro Area $189,801
St Cloud, MN Metro Area $7,595

15. Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ Metro Area $190.725 Billion

16. Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO CSA $177.511 Billion
Boulder, CO Metro Area $17,581
Denver-Aurora, CO Metro Area $152,868
Greeley, CO Metro Area $7,062

17. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA Metro Area $171.471 Billion

[hudkina]

How's Bridgeport-Stamford doing in terms of medians? I assume it's still the richest MSA by quite a bit.

I can't believe Detroit is now behind Phoenix and Minneapolis in total GDP. Really, really disappointing.

Well the auto industry nearly collapsed and metro Detroit did have one of the nation's highest unemployment rates for the year... so... Also, keep in mind that a huge chunk of the "metro" GDP is in Washtenaw County which is technically not in the MSA. If you add the GDP for Washtenaw and Monroe Counties the total jumps to $207 billion. And going into the future, Detroit will probably see its GDP rise quite a bit as the auto industry recovers and the employment situation continues to improve.

[YSL]

Is GDP really even relevant anymore in regards to metros?

It seems fairly archaic.

[ardecila]

Des Moines? WTF?

Go figure. Not sure about that one.

New Orleans is also surprisingly high, but it's inflated by the presence of the oil industry, which produces a ton of value while employing relatively few people. Plus, the upper management is all in Houston anyway.

[LMich]

Well the auto industry nearly collapsed and metro Detroit did have one of the nation's highest unemployment rates for the year... so...

I was thinking the same thing. 2008 and 2009 were the two most brutal years for just about any place in Michigan. The recovery in the auto industry (and for Michigan's economy, in general), didn't really begin to show itself until well into the first quarter of 2010 when the auto manufacturers began to hire back many of those who'd been layed off.

It should be noted, somewhere, which of these areas grew over the year before and which didn't. I'm looking at the 2008 numbers, and in the case of Detroit, both Detroit and Minneapolis fell, and Phoenix had marginal growth, but Detroit further.

Des Moines? WTF?

If the number is, indeed, correct, it's the insurance industry, there, would be my guess. Des Moines is a pretty major insurance center, particularly given its size.

[urbanactivist]

I really really REALLY hate the GDP measurement. It tells absolutely nothing about how all of that money is effecting or benefitting the surrounding community. All it shows is rich people getting richer, while the city has to slog through with rapidly declining roads, schools, etc. It really sickens me that our great cities can churn out so much money, yet we have to lay off teachers and cut funding to our schools. The money may as well be flushed down the fuh-king toilet. The government rushes to the aid of the private sector when they are in crisis, but after record gains on Wall Street, no one is helping out the local governments as they face tough times. :hell:

Time to scrap it IMO, or at least combine it with this...

http://app1.kuhf.org/houston_public_radio-news-display.php?articles_id=1297059078

Texas Lags in Measure of "Human Development"February 7, 2011

by: Carrie Feibel

It's a cliché that money doesn't buy happiness. But then how do you measure happiness? How do we know if America is on track? The Human Development Project has created a new index to track overall well-being and opportunity, not just economic activity. KUHF health science and technology reporter Carrie Feibel took a look at how Houston and Texas are doing in the latest ranking.

A small group of economists created the Human Development Index in 1990. They deliberately set out to create an alternative to Gross Domestic Product, or GDP. Sarah Burd-Sharps is a development expert at the Social Science Research Council in New York.

She says GDP is simply too limited to accurately measure human happiness or national progress.

“During the recent BP oil spill, JPMorgan Chase predicted that GDP would go up as a result of that spill. Why? Not because you know the country was benefiting tremendously overall from one of the worst environmental disasters in our history, but because a lot of temporary workers were being hired. So GDP often really misses out on what are the critical factors that people need to seize opportunities and to live to their fullest potential.”

Burd-Sharps says GDP doesn’t include unpaid work, like caring for a child or aging parent. It doesn’t measure health, education, or life expectancy.

So she and another development expert, Kristen Lewis, have measured the things that GDP doesn’t.

Their new report, the Measure of America, ranks the 50 states according to different criteria. Texas has the second largest economy in the country, after California. And yet in terms of human development, Texas ranks 38 out of 50 states. Why? Well, education for one.

“So in Texas, 1 in 5 adults does not have a high school diploma. So that’s one area of severe challenge.”

The problem is most acute among Latinos. California and Texas together educate about half of the nation’s Latino schoolchildren. But many of these students are not finishing their degrees.

“What studies have found is that Latino kids in both states in fact, TX and CA, are disproportionately being schooled in schools that are large, that are overcroweded and that are low in resources. And drop-out rates are very high.”

Poor graduation rates can drag the whole state down, making it less economically competitive. The report also looked closely at the 10 largest urban areas in the country. Houston ranked last.

Again, low educational rates were the key. But there were other issues, like health. Here’s development expert Kristen Lewis:

“A baby born today in LA can expect to outlive a baby born in Houston by about 3 years.”

That’s because health is tied to poverty. For example, low income people are more likely to live in dangerous neighborhoods with substandard housing.

To see more data about the human development index and use the interactive maps, visit Measure of America.org

[emathias]

Go figure. Not sure about that one.

New Orleans is also surprisingly high, but it's inflated by the presence of the oil industry, which produces a ton of value while employing relatively few people. Plus, the upper management is all in Houston anyway.

I didn't include it on the list because it was small, but the highest Metro Per-Capita GDP was actually some oil town in Wyoming, over $90,000/person.

[BG918]

New Orleans is also surprisingly high, but it's inflated by the presence of the oil industry, which produces a ton of value while employing relatively few people. Plus, the upper management is all in Houston anyway.

Same for Oklahoma City and Tulsa, and a big reason they saw such huge percentage increases from 2006-2009. Though the oil/gas industry employs quite a few people in Oklahoma. Oil has been a big reason the state has done fairly well through the recession.

[emathias]

2009 Combined Statistical Areas and Largest Metro Areas by GDP
...


Do you have population figures handy for those CSA groups so that a per-capita GDP for the entire CSA could be calculated?

[CyberEric]

A selected number of MSAs from around the country. Sorted by 2009, highest to lowest (scroll to far right column).

Metropolitan Area 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA (MSA) $67,299 $63,932 $65,036 $70,135 $74,596 $78,915 $83,715 $84,089 $79,604
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA (MSA) $63,260 $62,931 $63,857 $65,999 $69,119 $70,676 $71,535 $72,512 $72,259
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV $59,801 $60,687 $62,135 $64,590 $66,692 $67,367 $67,859 $68,319 $67,344
Des Moines-West Des Moines, IA (MSA) $54,882 $55,515 $58,058 $62,750 $64,079 $62,286 $67,235 $61,939 $61,666
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA (MSA) $55,905 $55,434 $55,761 $56,419 $58,257 $60,275 $63,411 $63,722 $61,282
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH (MSA) $56,739 $56,299 $56,936 $58,388 $59,195 $60,137 $61,168 $61,071 $59,375
Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX (MSA) $60,317 $59,409 $57,162 $59,814 $56,913 $58,146 $61,249 $58,795 $58,754
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, $54,637 $53,985 $53,823 $55,090 $57,173 $59,502 $60,509 $60,042 $57,338
Denver-Aurora-Broomfield, CO (MSA) $55,186 $55,327 $54,822 $55,226 $56,510 $57,060 $57,035 $56,900 $55,957
Madison, WI (MSA) $49,840 $50,947 $51,524 $53,275 $54,770 $55,478 $56,525 $56,114 $55,612
Boulder, CO (MSA) $52,054 $50,101 $50,479 $52,550 $54,265 $54,706 $57,460 $57,378 $54,307
New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA (MSA) $49,100 $48,953 $50,681 $52,576 $51,994 $63,702 $54,573 $50,481 $53,835
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI (MSA) $52,572 $52,788 $54,055 $55,830 $56,406 $55,832 $55,727 $55,222 $52,974
Salt Lake City, UT (MSA) $48,693 $47,826 $47,076 $47,575 $49,735 $51,643 $53,789 $53,434 $52,733
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA (MSA) $46,147 $46,723 $47,820 $50,065 $51,848 $54,021 $54,673 $54,471 $52,158
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX (MSA) $52,210 $53,108 $51,948 $53,775 $53,590 $54,387 $55,182 $53,808 $52,100
San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA (MSA) $44,252 $46,036 $47,396 $49,700 $51,524 $52,568 $52,929 $52,905 $51,035
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD $46,765 $47,856 $49,212 $49,896 $50,378 $51,009 $51,760 $51,579 $50,889
Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA (MSA) $41,256 $41,617 $42,140 $45,841 $46,872 $51,612 $53,100 $53,304 $50,863
Cheyenne, WY (MSA) $39,301 $40,415 $41,586 $42,681 $43,330 $45,915 $47,806 $48,288 $50,769
Indianapolis-Carmel, IN (MSA) $51,452 $51,229 $51,956 $53,614 $53,900 $53,982 $54,257 $53,019 $50,471
Honolulu, HI (MSA) $41,570 $42,446 $43,699 $45,807 $47,310 $48,660 $49,614 $50,203 $49,289
Oklahoma City, OK (MSA) $39,573 $39,484 $39,950 $41,241 $40,523 $42,256 $42,312 $43,059 $48,507
Omaha-Council Bluffs, NE-IA (MSA) $45,669 $46,330 $47,622 $48,515 $48,599 $49,722 $50,714 $49,778 $48,506
Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI (MSA) $45,853 $45,801 $46,577 $47,386 $48,392 $49,864 $50,086 $50,293 $48,256
Tulsa, OK (MSA) $41,661 $41,366 $40,505 $41,809 $42,610 $44,556 $44,683 $45,407 $48,180
Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI (MSA) $48,606 $48,511 $48,887 $49,998 $50,381 $51,278 $51,891 $50,607 $47,973
Baltimore-Towson, MD (MSA) $42,608 $43,155 $43,548 $44,975 $45,898 $46,581 $47,071 $47,089 $46,318
Ann Arbor, MI (MSA) $48,610 $51,139 $51,500 $50,238 $49,920 $49,028 $49,816 $47,625 $45,810
US Metro Average $43,059 $43,325 $43,783 $44,854 $45,697 $46,516 $46,937 $46,268 $44,703
Richmond, VA (MSA) $47,883 $46,926 $46,564 $46,487 $48,084 $47,136 $46,824 $46,091 $44,642
Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH (MSA) $43,848 $44,365 $45,230 $46,391 $46,488 $46,100 $46,560 $46,193 $44,407
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA (MSA) $50,140 $49,652 $49,180 $49,154 $49,260 $48,877 $48,899 $47,015 $44,124
Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL (MSA) $42,096 $42,978 $44,244 $45,311 $47,024 $47,776 $48,030 $46,447 $43,891
Santa Barbara-Santa Maria-Goleta, CA (MSA) $38,509 $39,619 $40,778 $42,220 $44,764 $45,123 $44,896 $44,126 $43,562
Las Vegas-Paradise, NV (MSA) $43,754 $43,320 $44,436 $46,758 $50,060 $50,067 $49,757 $47,368 $43,228
Pittsburgh, PA (MSA) $39,704 $40,330 $40,879 $41,709 $41,581 $42,050 $42,744 $43,100 $42,683
Raleigh-Cary, NC (MSA) $46,508 $45,064 $44,141 $44,104 $45,190 $45,590 $46,164 $45,140 $42,303
Reno-Sparks, NV (MSA) $44,198 $43,230 $42,779 $44,747 $45,497 $46,380 $47,434 $45,221 $41,845
Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL (MSA) $39,260 $39,514 $40,346 $41,651 $43,568 $44,977 $45,488 $43,810 $41,502
Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN (MSA) $42,183 $42,674 $42,929 $43,194 $43,394 $42,571 $42,695 $42,261 $40,829
Santa Fe, NM (MSA) $40,587 $46,626 $42,091 $41,915 $42,420 $43,902 $43,940 $43,481 $40,777
Sacramento-Arden-Arcade-Roseville, CA (MSA) $37,946 $39,382 $40,957 $41,792 $43,621 $44,103 $43,419 $41,841 $40,167
Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ (MSA) $40,957 $40,850 $41,800 $42,082 $43,477 $44,918 $44,575 $42,736 $40,012
St. Louis, MO-IL (MSA) $40,553 $41,591 $42,295 $42,212 $42,006 $41,232 $41,362 $41,893 $39,631
Boise City-Nampa, ID (MSA) $37,025 $36,788 $36,883 $40,310 $43,527 $41,880 $42,241 $41,279 $38,868
Albuquerque, NM (MSA) $37,853 $36,523 $38,345 $41,979 $41,603 $41,345 $39,875 $39,782 $38,733
Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI (MSA) $43,802 $44,486 $45,091 $44,268 $44,643 $43,302 $43,735 $42,110 $38,497
Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA (MSA) $38,103 $39,063 $39,189 $39,836 $41,641 $42,099 $41,773 $40,513 $37,667
Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL (MSA) $35,029 $36,154 $37,365 $38,209 $38,967 $39,759 $39,637 $38,266 $36,922
Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA (MSA) $33,869 $34,894 $36,127 $37,001 $36,972 $37,876 $37,539 $37,280 $36,242
San Luis Obispo-Paso Robles, CA (MSA) $31,071 $34,640 $36,441 $38,103 $39,214 $38,662 $38,098 $36,719 $35,873
Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA (MSA) $38,164 $37,633 $37,351 $36,995 $37,683 $38,391 $37,687 $35,901 $35,601
Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY (MSA) $31,160 $32,468 $32,867 $33,503 $33,827 $34,994 $35,124 $35,049 $34,472
San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX (MSA) $33,929 $33,723 $34,088 $34,676 $34,886 $35,273 $35,759 $35,006 $34,007
Savannah, GA (MSA) $33,948 $33,980 $33,955 $35,106 $36,110 $37,262 $36,885 $35,446 $33,389
Olympia, WA (MSA) $31,657 $31,225 $31,259 $31,326 $31,920 $32,672 $33,214 $32,264 $31,173
Scranton-Wilkes-Barre, PA (MSA) $29,258 $29,590 $30,210 $31,227 $31,313 $31,331 $31,947 $31,688 $31,107
Rockford, IL (MSA) $33,015 $32,942 $32,976 $33,125 $33,103 $33,684 $33,490 $32,517 $29,307
Tucson, AZ (MSA) $29,055 $27,987 $28,954 $28,887 $29,739 $30,311 $30,560 $30,060 $28,597
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA (MSA) $25,297 $25,319 $25,840 $26,560 $27,273 $27,338 $26,602 $25,423 $23,881
Provo-Orem, UT (MSA) $24,136 $24,270 $24,776 $24,429 $24,846 $25,341 $25,723 $24,960 $23,516
Pueblo, CO (MSA) $25,228 $24,550 $24,121 $24,865 $23,189 $22,707 $23,047 $23,625 $23,413
Prescott, AZ (MSA) $19,345 $19,330 $19,817 $19,525 $20,546 $21,705 $21,385 $19,986 $18,625


I don't understand these numbers, why are they completely different from the first post? Are these per capita?

Also, if I see another study where San Francisco and San Jose are separate MSAs, I am going to scream.

[Cirrus]

Also, if I see another study where San Francisco and San Jose are separate MSAs, I am going to scream.Well, they *are* separate MSAs. Maybe they shouldn't be, but they are. That's the standard, and it is official.

If you want to combine them then use CSAs (and combine all the other CSAs too).

[CyberEric]

Well, they *are* separate MSAs. Maybe they shouldn't be, but they are. That's the standard, and it is official.

If you want to combine them then use CSAs (and combine all the other CSAs too).

MSAs are clearly meaningless if Seattle and Tacoma are one MSA but SF/SJ and LA/Ventura are not. San Francisco and LA's numbers should be higher than they are.

SF Bay Area: 482,933

[Cirrus]

MSAs are certainly not meaningless. They are basically objective. But they don't measure continuous development; they measure commuting. SF and SJ are separate because Silicon Valley's commuter-shed is largely separate from SF's. That isn't the case for Tacoma and Seattle. MSAs may not always be the right standard to use, but that doesn't make them meaningless.

And, once again, if you want to combine MSAs then use the CSA standard instead, which is very easy to compute and was even shown earlier in this thread back on the first page (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=5176834&postcount=16). When you combine SF and SJ (along with several satellite cities) into the CSA standard, it jumps to 4th largest.

[CyberEric]

MSAs are certainly not meaningless. They are basically objective. But they don't measure continuous development; they measure commuting. SF and SJ are separate because Silicon Valley's commuter-shed is largely separate from SF's. That isn't the case for Tacoma and Seattle. MSAs may not always be the right standard to use, but that doesn't make them meaningless.

And, once again, if you want to combine MSAs then use the CSA standard instead, which is very easy to compute and was even shown earlier in this thread back on the first page (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=5176834&postcount=16). When you combine SF and SJ (along with several satellite cities) into the CSA standard, it jumps to 4th largest.

I don't want to derail this conversation anymore, so maybe you can send me a private message, but I am curious how MSAs have any meaning when making comparisons form city to city and how they are objective, they seem somewhat subjective to me (in they exist only in the minds of those who created them.)

Edit: Ah you edited your post! People commute from one to the other, but what's more, why does commuting have more to do with defining a city than development? Especially in this discussion, let's see, we could define the GDP by a developed area or by two areas that allegedly commute separately from one another? Hmmm. I appreciate your illustrations, I really do, but you can see why I think they (MSAs) have little meaning, certainly in this discussion.

I sort of hate myself for getting involved in one of these rankings threads. :) I'm done.

[fflint]

edited out because I was mistaken

[Cirrus]

^
That would be why SF and SJ are separate Urbanized Areas, but it wouldn't affect MSAs, which are totally defined by commuting and county boundaries.

Very interesting, though. It never made any sense to me to make them separate UAs.

[fflint]

I stand corrected.

[hudkina]

The reason they are separate is because they had to create a set of rules defining urban areas for the entire nation. One specific rule is that an urban area must be at least 2.5 miles "thick" or the two portions of the said urban area will be broken apart upon the shortest connection point (assuming the two portions meet a particular population threshold). In the case of the Bay Area, there is one point along Page Mill Rd from the 101 to Hanover St that is just under the 2.5 mile threshold. The dumb thing is that the actual "urban" area extends all the way to the Foothill Expressway, but since the development (bounded by Page Mill, Hanover, Hilltop, and Foothill) is entirely commercial/office and has a population density of 0, it is technically classified as rural.

The reality is that the Bay Area is a single urban area that makes up the core of a massive multinodal metropolitan area...

Here's a pic:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5133/5475225614_01e5b50d0d_b.jpg

The two urban areas are connected along the blue line, however it was just shy of the 2.5 miles needed for the two to stay combined as a single urban area.

[emathias]

I don't understand these numbers, why are they completely different from the first post? Are these per capita?

Also, if I see another study where San Francisco and San Jose are separate MSAs, I am going to scream.

Yes, they are per capita which I didn't restate because I figured it'd be obvious from the fact I posted it in response to a question by phillyaggie about per-capita stats.

[CyberEric]

^
That would be why SF and SJ are separate Urbanized Areas, but it wouldn't affect MSAs, which are totally defined by commuting and county boundaries.

Very interesting, though. It never made any sense to me to make them separate UAs.

Hear hear!

The reason they are separate is because they had to create a set of rules defining urban areas for the entire nation. One specific rule is that an urban area must be at least 2.5 miles "thick" or the two portions of the said urban area will be broken apart upon the shortest connection point (assuming the two portions meet a particular population threshold). In the case of the Bay Area, there is one point along Page Mill Rd from the 101 to Hanover St that is just under the 2.5 mile threshold. The dumb thing is that the actual "urban" area extends all the way to the Foothill Expressway, but since the development (bounded by Page Mill, Hanover, Hilltop, and Foothill) is entirely commercial/office and has a population density of 0, it is technically classified as rural.

The reality is that the Bay Area is a single urban area that makes up the core of a massive multinodal metropolitan area...

Here's a pic:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5133/5475225614_01e5b50d0d_b.jpg

The two urban areas are connected along the blue line, however it was just shy of the 2.5 miles needed for the two to stay combined as a single urban area.

Thanks for the elucidation! That is laughable that that is the reason right there.