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PoscStudent
May 2, 2011, 11:58 AM
Any thoughts on who will be the next Liberal leader?

cormiermax
May 2, 2011, 12:04 PM
I'm hoping for Dominic Leblanc, Fairly young guy (mid 30's I believe) Acadian, I think he could bring some new energy into the party and could court both French and English voters very well being perfectly bilingual.

Taeolas
May 2, 2011, 12:04 PM
Any thoughts on who will be the next Liberal leader?

Wonder if Trudeau is still considered too young to step in?

If the Youth/Internet vote wakes up this election as Rick Mercer and Open Media have been trying to do, then it might be the right time for Trudeau 2.0 to take over the reds.

PoscStudent
May 2, 2011, 12:33 PM
I'm hoping for Dominic Leblanc, Fairly young guy (mid 30's I believe) Acadian, I think he could bring some new energy into the party and could court both French and English voters very well being perfectly bilingual.

Early 40's, 42 I think. He should have been their leader in 2008 and I think he'll be a frontrunner this time.

Wonder if Trudeau is still considered too young to step in?

If the Youth/Internet vote wakes up this election as Rick Mercer and Open Media have been trying to do, then it might be the right time for Trudeau 2.0 to take over the reds.

The party will be doomed with Trudeau. The only reason he's seen as a possible leader is because of his last name. He's charasmatic but he's ignorant as well and I think after his charm wears off people won't be fussy on him. If he can grow up over the next few years he could be a possibility in the future.

whatnext
May 2, 2011, 12:43 PM
Early 40's, 42 I think. He should have been their leader in 2008 and I think he'll be a frontrunner this time.

The party will be doomed with Trudeau. The only reason he's seen as a possible leader is because of his last name. He's charasmatic but he's ignorant as well and I think after his charm wears off people won't be fussy on him. If he can grow up over the next few years he could be a possibility in the future.

I wouldn't call Justin Trudeau ignorant. Are you basing that comment on that one mistake he made commenting about honour killings? Frankly, what the Liberals need right now is someone with charisma. The fact Layton is doing so well right now points to the fact that voters just want an alternative to the dull, colourless Harper, and are willing to take a chance even with the NDP. The fact that Trudeau actually spent years going to school and working here in BC is also a big plus. Most Westerners would ask "Dominic Who"?

Leblanc's OK, but doesn't seem terribly exciting. And Trudeau is only 4 years younger then him, but Leblanc seems much older (not in a good way).

SteelTown
May 2, 2011, 1:04 PM
I think the Liberals need a stable leader for the party. Rookie leaders aren't helping, especially during debates.

PoscStudent
May 2, 2011, 1:06 PM
I wouldn't call Justin Trudeau ignorant. Are you basing that comment on that one mistake he made commenting about honour killings? Frankly, what the Liberals need right now is someone with charisma. The fact Layton is doing so well right now points to the fact that voters just want an alternative to the dull, colourless Harper, and are willing to take a chance even with the NDP. The fact that Trudeau actually spent years going to school and working here in BC is also a big plus. Most Westerners would ask "Dominic Who"?

Leblanc's OK, but doesn't seem terribly exciting. And Trudeau is only 4 years younger then him, but Leblanc seems much older (not in a good way).

I'm basing it on interviews he has. He constantly interurpts and speaks over people, whether it be the person interviewing him or other MPs. I saw an interview with him last week and he was speaking over the woman interviewing him and interupting her. He has been on Power Play and has been rude to other MPs. Usually on Power Play when MPs from other parties are on to sort of debate each other they are respectful, but not him. There is a video of him on YouTube with Shelly Glover and as much as she drives me nuts he was so ignorant to her and wouldn't let her make points and she rightfully was calling him out on it.

I liked him first but he needs time to grow as a politician. Our Health Minister here in Newfoundland and Labrador had an interview in the newspaper recently talking about how he has grown in the last three and a half years as a politician. He's a former criminal lawyer and said how he had a hard time taking criticism when he was first elected and felt he had to be defensive like he was in court but he has realized there's a difference in being a lawyer and a politician. Trudeau also needs time to grow.

Acajack
May 2, 2011, 1:20 PM
Well, I don't think much of how he grinningly promised to allow the imposition of Bill 101 on federally regulated industries in Quebec. To me that doesn't reflect a very strong sense of the bilingualism that Canada is supposed to stand for. .

It is always funny how Canadians who live in fairly non-bilingual areas and are almost always non-bilingual themselves personally, do like to stand up for bilingualism... in Quebec only of course!

MolsonExport
May 2, 2011, 1:21 PM
Dear god, not J. Trudeau. Can't fill 5% of his father's shoes. Nice guy? sure. eloquent? maybe. intellectual and credible leader? I am very far from being convinced.

John Manley and Frank McKenna would be better choices.

PoscStudent
May 2, 2011, 1:26 PM
John Manley and Frank McKenna would be better choices.

Both are old they need somoen who can stay on for 10 years or more. If they were younger they'd be great.

Bassic Lab
May 2, 2011, 1:56 PM
Any thoughts on who will be the next Liberal leader?

It depends a great deal on what kind of caucus they have left. I hope, whatever they do, they first have a very serious conversation to actually come up with a concept of the kind of party they want to be. Unless Trudeau has a coherent vision for the country, I think he would be a mistake. The Liberals desperately need to move beyond the idea that all they need to do is find a leader who will connect with Canadians and call it a day.

This would be for the good of both the Liberal Party and Canada. We deserve parties that actually stand for something and have a reason to exist beyond assuming power.

The Conservatives suffer from many of the same issues. Even if they manage to fluke out a majority it would be a mistake to not examine what they are doing wrong.

Jamaican-Phoenix
May 2, 2011, 1:57 PM
Dear god, not J. Trudeau. Can't fill 5% of his father's shoes. Nice guy? sure. eloquent? maybe. intellectual and credible leader? I am very far from being convinced.

John Manley and Frank McKenna would be better choices.

Both are old they need somoen who can stay on for 10 years or more. If they were younger they'd be great.

And they're both no longer officially with the Liberal party.

PoscStudent
May 2, 2011, 2:20 PM
It depends a great deal on what kind of caucus they have left. I hope, whatever they do, they first have a very serious conversation to actually come up with a concept of the kind of party they want to be. Unless Trudeau has a coherent vision for the country, I think he would be a mistake. The Liberals desperately need to move beyond the idea that all they need to do is find a leader who will connect with Canadians and call it a day.

This would be for the good of both the Liberal Party and Canada. We deserve parties that actually stand for something and have a reason to exist beyond assuming power.

The Conservatives suffer from many of the same issues. Even if they manage to fluke out a majority it would be a mistake to not examine what they are doing wrong.

Their next leader may possibly come from outside the caucus, which may not be a bad thing. While they will very likely lose seats today it's also possible they may elect some new MPs as well so maybe their will be a star amongst the bunch.

I'm not a fan of any party at the moment but I don't want to see the Liberals die.

SteelTown
May 2, 2011, 2:31 PM
Brian Tobin would be good.

PoscStudent
May 2, 2011, 2:33 PM
Brian Tobin would be good.

His only good quality may be that he's a Newfoundlander and Labradorian, though that's probably enough.

Bigtime
May 2, 2011, 2:44 PM
Oh that Jack Layton, just can't stay out of the spotlight:

http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/3528/jackf.png (http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/3528/jackf.png)

:D

drew
May 2, 2011, 3:54 PM
Brian Tobin would be good.

Gerard Kennedy has been close in past leadership races, and should be given a shot.

SteelTown
May 2, 2011, 3:57 PM
Tobin has federal cabinet experience and wouldn't be so much as a rookie as Dion and Ignatieff. Liberals need a leader that's prepared and experienced.

Acajack
May 2, 2011, 4:07 PM
Tobin has federal cabinet experience and wouldn't be so much as a rookie as Dion and Ignatieff. Liberals need a leader that's prepared and experienced.

Sorry to harp on the language issue I raised in another thread about Ralph Goodale, but Tobin doesn't speak French. It would require a significant paradigm shift for the Liberal Party of Canada to choose a leader who does not speak at least some French.

BTW, in case people don't know Gerard Kennedy is *ok* in French.

PoscStudent
May 2, 2011, 4:22 PM
Sorry to harp on the language issue I raised in another thread about Ralph Goodale, but Tobin doesn't speak French. It would require a significant paradigm shift for the Liberal Party of Canada to choose a leader who does not speak at least some French.

BTW, in case people don't know Gerard Kennedy is *ok* in French.

Are you sure he doesn't speak French? It seems odd that he wouldn't have learned French seeing he was planning to run for the leadership when Chretien retired.

Andy6
May 2, 2011, 4:44 PM
It is always funny how Canadians who live in fairly non-bilingual areas and are almost always non-bilingual themselves personally, do like to stand up for bilingualism... in Quebec only of course!

I don't approve of legislation that tells people living in Canada that they cannot conduct their private or business affairs in the official language of their choice (or, for the most part, in any other language). That would go for any province or territory of Canada.

Acajack
May 2, 2011, 4:50 PM
Are you sure he doesn't speak French? It seems odd that he wouldn't have learned French seeing he was planning to run for the leadership when Chretien retired.

Perhaps he does - a little. I mostly listen to the news in French and can't recall hearing him speaking in French beyond a few simple phrases like bonjour and merci beaucoup.

He has been out of the spotlight for a while though so one of the things he might have done is spent some time taking French classes.

Taeolas
May 2, 2011, 4:58 PM
It would probably be health issues that would keep Tobin from considering the Liberal Leadership, among other reasons too.

PoscStudent
May 2, 2011, 5:08 PM
It would probably be health issues that would keep Tobin from considering the Liberal Leadership, among other reasons too.

Health issues?

DizzyEdge
May 2, 2011, 5:39 PM
I wouldn't call Justin Trudeau ignorant. Are you basing that comment on that one mistake he made commenting about honour killings? Frankly, what the Liberals need right now is someone with charisma. The fact Layton is doing so well right now points to the fact that voters just want an alternative to the dull, colourless Harper, and are willing to take a chance even with the NDP. The fact that Trudeau actually spent years going to school and working here in BC is also a big plus. Most Westerners would ask "Dominic Who"?

Leblanc's OK, but doesn't seem terribly exciting. And Trudeau is only 4 years younger then him, but Leblanc seems much older (not in a good way).

I agree with PoscStudent. The Trudeau name is too much of a lightning rod. And the honour killings thing seems more than just one mistake, ie a sign of moral equivalence that is my main cringe-worthy complaint about a lot of 'liberal' thinking, even though I consider myself to be a small L liberal for the most part.

ue
May 2, 2011, 6:21 PM
I was leaning Conservative at the beginning and I generally match up with PC (but not Reform) policies, but the Conservative candidate in my riding is so laughably bad and the Liberal candidate is on city council and two years away from a shiny Ottawa pension that I figure I'll bite the bullet and vote for the party with which I least agree. If Jack Layton can bring us closer to proportional representation it will be worth it, though. Like Harper said, sometimes you have to abandon your principles (like not appointing senators) to get your ideal end result (a democratic senate).

The Greens ran a good candidate this time but the election of a Liberal here will mess up our city council and won't be a real improvement over the NDP representation so my decision has been made by circumstance as opposed to actual policies, not that those matter; no one follows their policies.

I guess I got you all wrong. I never thought you were Conservative, and in fact thought you were closer to Liberal/NDP.

samne
May 2, 2011, 6:23 PM
All kinds of shenanigans happening in Ontario.

Voters are getting calls to cast ballots at wrong addresses. Polls opening hours late. Some real fishy stuff happening...

vid
May 2, 2011, 6:28 PM
I guess I got you all wrong. I never thought you were Conservative, and in fact thought you were closer to Liberal/NDP.

I prefer the term "progressive conservative". I'm really only conservative on certain fiscal and economic issues. Socially I'm very liberal. It's a difficult balance, combining a desire to fund social programs with a reluctance to spend any money unless it's absolutely necessary.

Liberal and Conservative policies are both near my positions on issues but they both lack in certain ways that make me reluctant to support them right now.

PoscStudent
May 2, 2011, 6:30 PM
I prefer the term "progressive conservative". I'm really only conservative on certain fiscal and economic issues. Socially I'm very liberal. It's a difficult balance, combining a desire to fund social programs with a reluctance to spend any money unless it's absolutely necessary.

Liberal and Conservative policies are both near my positions on issues but they both lack in certain ways that make me reluctant to support them right now.

Same here!

vid
May 2, 2011, 6:34 PM
I think most people are like this. It feels to me like the most mature and responsible approach. "Fiscally conservative, socially liberal, environmentally responsible".

PoscStudent
May 2, 2011, 6:49 PM
I think most people are like this. It feels to me like the most mature and responsible approach. "Fiscally conservative, socially liberal, environmentally responsible".

Hopefully the next leader of the Liberals will re-build their party into that. It's exactly what we need.

DizzyEdge
May 2, 2011, 6:49 PM
Same here!

Myself as well I would say. The nice thing about that 'difficult balance' is that in theory the fiscal conservatism will fully vet the effectiveness of the social spending.

bulliver
May 2, 2011, 7:01 PM
All kinds of shenanigans happening in Ontario.

Voters are getting calls to cast ballots at wrong addresses. Polls opening hours late. Some real fishy stuff happening...

Ah, just like the recent election in Haiti...

I just got back from voting. My polling station was pretty quiet, I was the only one there at the time.

samne
May 2, 2011, 7:29 PM
Ah, just like the recent election in Haiti...

I just got back from voting. My polling station was pretty quiet, I was the only one there at the time.

Not quite, but Im guessing yours isnt a swing riding.

Eliminating a few hundred votes can be the difference in some ridings.

bulliver
May 2, 2011, 7:34 PM
My riding is Edmonton-Strathcona, the only non-blue riding in Alberta. Linda Duncan, the NDP candidate won by only 463 votes back in 2008...so yeah, it's a swing riding.

Boris2k7
May 2, 2011, 7:47 PM
I voted by special ballot so I am merely waiting for the polls to close here in Nova Scotia.

whiteford
May 2, 2011, 7:47 PM
Go Harper! yee haw! I have made my second cash contribution toward the conservative party. In the last election I gave $1000. Although I made a much smaller donation this time around, I believe it is money well spent. He has earned his position as our prime minister. Cheers to another term Mr. Harper. You are a fine Canadian and you are well suited to be at the helm. Your opponents sound as if they have no idea of what it takes to run a nation. Voting liberal would be like voting for Mr Rogers from that kids show. I had to chuckle when I heard his speech yesterday. He really does sound like Mr. Rogers. haha

Boris2k7
May 2, 2011, 7:51 PM
Not that it surprises me that the level of discourse among Conservative voters is about the same as YouTube comments but...

Mr. Rogers? Really?

240glt
May 2, 2011, 7:56 PM
My riding is Edmonton-Strathcona, the only non-blue riding in Alberta. Linda Duncan, the NDP candidate won by only 463 votes back in 2008...so yeah, it's a swing riding.

On behalf of all progressive voters in Alberta I wish you and your riding luck... you're got the best chance by far of countering this ugly sea of blue in this backward redneck province.

MolsonExport
May 2, 2011, 8:02 PM
http://uranowski.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/nickelbackharper.jpg?w=450&h=615

"are there any harper fans in portugal?!?!?!?"

bulliver
May 2, 2011, 8:07 PM
On behalf of all progressive voters in Alberta I wish you and your riding luck... you're got the best chance by far of countering this ugly sea of blue in this backward redneck province.

Thanks. I've already done my part. Now the hard bit...waiting till 8pm...

Jay in Cowtown
May 2, 2011, 8:14 PM
On behalf of all progressive voters in Alberta I wish you and your riding luck... you're got the best chance by far of countering this ugly sea of blue in this backward redneck province.

progressive as in communist? do your part and move to a "have not" province!

240glt
May 2, 2011, 8:20 PM
^ Sorry cowboy I've been here for a decade.. I've earned my stripes.

It'll just take a little more time for the rest of you to come around!

Taeolas
May 2, 2011, 8:22 PM
Health issues?

My bad. I forgot which Newfie premier I was thinking of. I was thinking of Danny, not Brian.

Doady
May 2, 2011, 10:11 PM
The National Post provides a summary of the liberal media bias during this election and who the editorial board of each newspaper has officially endorsed:

The editorial board endorsements are in, for whatever they’re worth. A survey of the top 25 or so newspapers by circulation found 13 firm declarations of preference — 12 of them for the Conservatives, and one for … well, it’s a fun surprise. A brief summary of each, listed roughly from west to east, is below.

...

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/05/01/chris-selleys-full-pundit-endorsement-watch-2011-%E2%80%94-darn-that-liberal-media/

manny_santos
May 2, 2011, 10:27 PM
Even in the 1960s there were individuals who knowingly broadcast election returns to the west coast. My father told me that when he lived in Chilliwack in 1965, the local radio station CHWK broadcast early returns from Ontario and Atlantic Canada before the polls in B.C. closed. They simply called one of the stations out there and the eastern station read out the update via CHWK. Lester B. Pearson was re-elected in that election.

So even when radio was king and there was no Internet, people knowingly violated the Elections Act.

bulliver
May 2, 2011, 11:06 PM
Stephen Harper breaks election rules, campaigns on radio on election day

In an interview this morning with Bill Good on CKNW in Vancouver, Stephen Harper openly campaigned for the Conservative Party of Canada, asking listeners to "vote Conservative" in defiance of Elections Canada rules and regulations that state no campaigning may be done during the media blackout on election day.

...
http://www.examiner.com/canada-headlines-in-canada/stephen-harper-breaks-election-rules-campaigns-on-radio-on-election-day

SteelTown
May 2, 2011, 11:36 PM
Er go to watch CBC and it's blocked out with "out-of-market coverage" from Elections Canada, so I switch to CTV Newsnet and again "out-of-market coverage" from Elections Canada. So I figured CP24 would be okay, nope "out-of-market coverage" from Elections Canada. Even Sun News is blocked out.

UGH!

Boris2k7
May 2, 2011, 11:47 PM
If you are on twitter, follow #tweettheresults for coverage. People are emailing people out-of-country who are then tweeting.

I'm in NS, of course, so I'm seeing live returns on CBC.

PM for more info.

manny_santos
May 3, 2011, 12:03 AM
I checked #tweettheresults. In all honesty you have no way of knowing if the numbers being posted are even what is being broadcast in Atlantic Canada. I'll just suck it up like a good Canadian and wait ;)

Doady
May 3, 2011, 12:05 AM
I think #tweettheresults got shut down. Is there any other channel?

Boris2k7
May 3, 2011, 12:11 AM
BernardKeane has been reporting good results. A bit few and far between though.

bulliver
May 3, 2011, 12:14 AM
Weird....a few tweets seem to be redacted and others are not. Interesting results in Atlantic Canada.

Bassic Lab
May 3, 2011, 12:20 AM
If the news channels, whose feeds I can/am watching online, are not releasing results, then why are they blocked from TV?

vid
May 3, 2011, 12:52 AM
I voted around 6:30. I had to wait in line about 5 minutes, there were ten other people there for only three polling stations so it was much busier than any election I've voted in before.

I don't know if they've always done this, but there was only one table to vote at for each polling division, so only one person could vote at a time, which I thought was odd. Municipally, they set it up so that as many as 20 people can vote at a time, but the ballots are much longer.

progressive as in communist? do your part and move to a "have not" province!

The Communist Party hasn't been called Labour-Progressive since 1959. How old are you? :koko:

So even when radio was king and there was no Internet, people knowingly violated the Elections Act.

That part of the Elections Act is an example of a law that shouldn't exist, and the best way to get rid of it would be to show how impractical it is.

Currently there is a 4h30 gap between closing in BC and Newfoundland (assuming every poll is doing the 9:30 to 21:30 thing), and it doesn't really have an impact until Ontario and Quebec results come in which leaves only 3 hours left for BC voters. If they moved BC's voting period up 1h30 they'd nearly eliminate the problem, though I guess shortening the time to vote or moving it up might not be in the best interests of voter turn out. They could always have all the ballot boxes transported to a secure location overnight and count the whole country at the same time the following morning but I doubt our instant gratification culture would tolerate that these days.

If the news channels, whose feeds I can/am watching online, are not releasing results, then why are they blocked from TV?

It's probably easier for them from a legal standpoint to just block the feed than to keep it open and hope that no one slips up. Elections Canada might not put much effort into bugging individuals with the law but they'll probably pounce on a major media network for it.

Only 45 minutes to go until results in EDT Ontario start coming in. I can wait.

SpikePhanta
May 3, 2011, 12:55 AM
I saw one person tweeting in a smart way using Blueberries, Apples and Oranges. Our we allowed to post results here or is it against forum rules.

Aylmer
May 3, 2011, 1:07 AM
Oh my!

CBC accidentally released the results on their TV channel early! They just shut it down!

:D :D :D :D

whatnext
May 3, 2011, 1:10 AM
Stephen Harper breaks election rules, campaigns on radio on election day


http://www.examiner.com/canada-headlines-in-canada/stephen-harper-breaks-election-rules-campaigns-on-radio-on-election-day

No surprise there. This is the leader of the party that knowingly broke election funding rules with their in-and-out scam. What is surprising is how many here are willing to gloss over that.

I guess the law of the land is less important for those posters than the exciting prospect of having Little Stevie Harper as the leader of this great country. :rolleyes:

Echoes
May 3, 2011, 1:11 AM
^ Yeah! I was watching CBC News Network and they were showing results... it's just after 7:00 here in SK.

SpikePhanta
May 3, 2011, 1:13 AM
Oh my!

CBC accidentally released the results on their TV channel early! They just shut it down!

:D :D :D :D

:haha:
How are Osama and CBc similar?
Both are down!

jlousa
May 3, 2011, 1:28 AM
Just a friendly reminder not to post any election results here before polls are all closed.

vid
May 3, 2011, 1:31 AM
Yeah, we don't want Dylan to get in trouble.

Apparently polls close in BC at 10:00pm ET? CBC says they've just closed from Quebec to Alberta.

bulliver
May 3, 2011, 1:34 AM
Yep...results starting to show up in Alberta.

Xelebes
May 3, 2011, 1:46 AM
^ Yeah! I was watching CBC News Network and they were showing results... it's just after 7:00 here in SK.

Apparently it is a problem with Shaw and ExpressVu. Rogers and Telus are not not having that problem.

habfanman
May 3, 2011, 1:46 AM
It's 3:45 here in Berlin and I'm the only Canadian who has returned from the clubs in order to watch! I've not been quite so intrigued by a federal election in years.

cormiermax
May 3, 2011, 1:56 AM
As is CTV.

jigglysquishy
May 3, 2011, 1:57 AM
How long till BC closes?

I want to talk online!!

jlousa
May 3, 2011, 1:58 AM
Few more minutes, 7pm PST/10pm EST

jigglysquishy
May 3, 2011, 1:59 AM
Polls are closed in BC now I take it?

Can I talk now?

cormiermax
May 3, 2011, 2:00 AM
Conservative government, NDP opposition.

jeremy_haak
May 3, 2011, 2:00 AM
Holy crap. These results are looking scary...

cormiermax
May 3, 2011, 2:02 AM
We may be headed for a conservative majority, god help us...

jigglysquishy
May 3, 2011, 2:04 AM
I'm shocked to here the Cons are doing so well.

Come on Greens, get at least one seat! And holy shit NDP

bulliver
May 3, 2011, 2:04 AM
Oops, sorry folks...didn't think Global projection counted as poll results...

jeremy_haak
May 3, 2011, 2:06 AM
Very few polls out in Ontario still so things will likely change.

headhorse
May 3, 2011, 2:06 AM
this is so disheartening.

ArchiCAD
May 3, 2011, 2:09 AM
Get ready to have our social programs demolished and strip down till our social fabric reflects American thinking so we can give a few multi-millionairs tax breals.

Get ready to have our military outsourced to the Pentagon, whatever the Pentagon asks, Harper will obey because having a difference of opinion with Washington is being "hostile".

Get ready to be sacraficed to make foreign tycoons, especially American ones happy.

Thank god, I'm done school and I'm not longer in a low income situation so I may not get hit as hard as the single mother down the street working 50 hours to make ends meet.

cormiermax
May 3, 2011, 2:10 AM
CTV now declaring the NDP as the official opposition.

flar
May 3, 2011, 2:11 AM
Get ready to have our social programs demolished and strip down till our social fabric reflects American thinking so we can give a few multi-millionairs tax breals.

Get ready to have our military outsourced to the Pentagon, whatever the Pentagon asks, Harper will obey because having a difference of opinion with Washington is being "hostile".

Get ready to be sacraficed to make foreign tycoons, especially American ones happy.

Thank god, I'm done school and I'm not longer in a low income situation so I may not get hit as hard as the single mother down the street working 50 hours to make ends meet.


Pretty much.



Time to change our electoral system. The electorate expresses a preference for the left, and we end up being subjected to a neo-conservative government, probably a majority.

Aylmer
May 3, 2011, 2:11 AM
Flights to Iceland: $741. Tempting...

photoLith
May 3, 2011, 2:11 AM
Im confused, it looks like a lot of you Canadians on here are voting conservative. I take it that Canadian conservatives are nothing like the insane redneck corporate conservatives we have here in the good ole USA.

Taeolas
May 3, 2011, 2:12 AM
CBC just called the NDP Official opposition. Iggy is barely holding on to his seat as is.

Now it's just a race to 155. It'll be close, hopefully close enough that those remaining 48 won't go to 155 blues.

flar
May 3, 2011, 2:13 AM
Im confused, it looks like a lot of you Canadians on here are voting conservative. I take it that Canadian conservatives are nothing like the insane redneck corporate conservatives we have here in the good ole USA.

They would like to be like American conservatives, but luckily they are somewhat constrained to govern from the centre. However, if there is a majority, it could mean big changes for the worse in Canada.

vid
May 3, 2011, 2:17 AM
Does anyone know how many of the Conservative MPs were Reform, and how many were PC? The Conservative candidates in Northern Ontario are more along the PC lines than Reform, but I think that's opposite to the rest of the country.

NDP is leading by huge margins in Thunder Bay's ridings, they'll probably win with over 50% of the vote. In Kenora, the NDP was leading until a few minutes ago, the Conservatives are now in the lead, but with less than a third of the polling stations in our ridings counted, its still up in the air.

Winnipegger
May 3, 2011, 2:18 AM
Can't wait for those new fighter jets!

jigglysquishy
May 3, 2011, 2:19 AM
Reform was way farther right than the PCs.

Shame the Conservative party has been overrun by them.

jeremy_haak
May 3, 2011, 2:19 AM
Things seems to be leveling off a bit more evenly. I have a feeling that things could be up in the air into the wee hours of morning. I am also really irritated with the problem of vote splitting. I sympathize with the problems the Reform/PC parties had ten years ago or so. Do we have to consider a similar option for the left? I can't see the Liberals being that pragmatic...

headhorse
May 3, 2011, 2:21 AM
4 more years of arts cuts, military spending, and increased pollution. can't wait.

Boris2k7
May 3, 2011, 2:21 AM
So long Bloc Quebecois, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

goodthings
May 3, 2011, 2:22 AM
Quebec separatism won't be an agenda in the next Parliament! Yeehawwww!!!

jeremy_haak
May 3, 2011, 2:23 AM
Kitchener-Centre will almost certainly fall victim to vote splitting. I will be interested to see how many ridings this will happen in. Fortunately strategic voting efforts seem to be working somewhat in Kitchener-Waterloo.

bulliver
May 3, 2011, 2:23 AM
^^ It was in the previous one?

SteelTown
May 3, 2011, 2:23 AM
Wow need 12 seats to be a party at House of Commons? Bloc might not be recongized in the House.

Boris2k7
May 3, 2011, 2:25 AM
How hilarious is it that it was always Grits that whined about other parties splitting the vote, and now the big finger can be pointed back in their direction?

goodthings
May 3, 2011, 2:25 AM
So far, looks like Iggy and Gilles will be evicted off the house.

jigglysquishy
May 3, 2011, 2:27 AM
What happens if Iggy and Duceppe don't get elected?

Does Canada implode?

cormiermax
May 3, 2011, 2:28 AM
What a massive change in the Canadian political spectrum we are seeing tonight, I wonder what a Con majority would do with the sovereignty movement in Quebec? I can't see Quebec standing for a conservative majority for very long.

SteelTown
May 3, 2011, 2:29 AM
Gerald Kennedy is defeated. Peggy Nash, NDP, won.

vid
May 3, 2011, 2:31 AM
Wow need 12 seats to be a party at House of Commons? Bloc might not be recongized in the House.

If they can't get 12 seats, the Government can pass a motion giving them party status, but I doubt they'll get that if they get 5 or less seats. That is more often done when the official opposition is small, they might not to it for a fourth party, especially a separatist one. When Ontario's NDP was decimated a few years ago they had to fight quite a bit to get recognized.

What happens if Iggy and Duceppe don't get elected?

Does Canada implode?

This happened in Ontario in 2007 when the PC leader lost his seat. They appoint someone who was elected to take the place of leader of the party in the house, while Ignatieff and Duceppe remain the official leaders, until a new leader is chosen.

cormiermax
May 3, 2011, 2:33 AM
Lawrence Cannon defeated.



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