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NYguy
Sep 30, 2011, 5:45 AM
http://www.dnainfo.com/20110929/murray-hill-gramercy/conservative-think-tank-wants-congress-weigh-on-un-land-swap

Conservative Think Tank Wants Congress to Weigh in on UN Land Swap

September 29, 2011
By Mary Johnson


...as the Oct. 10th deadline to agree to the terms of the deal looms, a fellow at a Washington, D.C.-based conservative think tank is adding his voice to the mix — arguing that the federal government should be the final arbiter in the plan.

In a report from the Heritage Foundation published earlier this month, author Brett Schaefer argued that the construction of a new UN tower has significant implications for the rest of the nation beyond New York City, where the debate has been largely concentrated. “The government of New York is proceeding along with this project … without really making the U.S. government aware of what the potential financial obligations might be,” Schaefer told DNAinfo.com Wednesday.

Schaefer, who frequently writes about the UN, said he decided to investigate the land swap because of the potential costs associated with building a new UN office tower. He also warned that the project may be an unnecessary expense to bear during tough economic times.

While the U.S. would not have the power to stop the deal, Congress would have to weigh in if the UN wanted to issue tax-free bonds for the deal, sources said.

NYguy
Sep 30, 2011, 6:31 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/30/nyregion/united-nations-and-new-york-city-seek-land-deal.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion

Land Deal With U.N. Would Fill a Big Gap in the Waterfront Greenway

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A site on the East River once occupied by Consolidated Edison is to become part of the Greenway.

By LISA W. FODERARO
September 29, 2011

For at least a decade, the United Nations has coveted a playground just south of its landmark tower, where it would like to construct a new building. For just as long, city and state officials have longed to fill in the largest remaining gap in the Manhattan Waterfront Greenway, from 38th to 60th Streets on the East River, but have not had the money.

Now, in a series of real-life Rubik’s Cube moves, elected officials are on the verge of signing an agreement that would create a framework for both sides to get what they want. The United Nations would take part of Robert Moses Playground for its new building, while the city would end up with enough cash to finish an esplanade for the 32-mile Greenway — and a replacement playground. In July, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo signed legislation that gave the city and state governments until Oct. 10 to agree to the terms of a deal.

If the agreement, or memorandum of understanding, is signed by Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and the heads of the Assembly and the Senate, as required, the United Nations Development Corporation could begin a land-use review for its new tower, which could be no taller than the 505-foot Secretariat Building.




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yankeesfan1000
Sep 30, 2011, 1:40 PM
Thanks for keeping this thread going NYGuy, any idea on what might be built on the lot south of the Robert Moses Park?

Crawford
Sep 30, 2011, 2:17 PM
The lots south of Robert Moses Park are owned by developer Sheldon Solow, who´s building a giant mixed-use highrise complex designed by Richard Meier.

NYguy
Oct 1, 2011, 12:45 PM
The lots south of Robert Moses Park are owned by developer Sheldon Solow, who´s building a giant mixed-use highrise complex designed by Richard Meier.

Yes, the infamous Con Ed development. I hate to even think of it now, and what could have/should have been.

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It reminds me of why I think it's a mistake making the new building no taller than the original. The Secretariat as it is now is an iconic landmark on the waterfront of Manhattan, and it's set apart from the other skyscrapers. Dropping a similar sized tower in the vicinity takes away from it I think. On the other hand, a taller, thinner, and angular tower would stand apart and take nothing away from the Secretariat.

NYguy
Oct 2, 2011, 2:00 PM
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/09/prohibit-federal-support-for-a-new-un-building-until-the-un-provides-detailed-information

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/09/~/media/Images/Reports/2011/09/b2606/b2606_figure1.ashx?w=600&h=416&as=1
http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/2011/pdf/b2606_figure%201.pdf

kingcity
Oct 2, 2011, 5:51 PM
:D wow very nice

NYguy
Oct 3, 2011, 2:04 PM
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/278915/building-you-re-buying-un-brett-d-schaefer

The Building You’re Buying the U.N.
You’re buying New Yorkers a park, too!

Brett D. Schaefer
October 3, 2011

With little attention from national media or Congress, the pieces are falling into place for the United Nations to build a brand-new building next door to its current 39-story tower. That’s fast work, considering the U.N. has yet to provide the Obama administration or Congress an official cost estimate for the project or a detailed justification of the need for this building.

Earlier this decade, construction of a new U.N. building was estimated to run about $400 million. And New York wants $65 million for the playground property. Add those two figures for a lowball estimate. The cost could go much higher, however. After all, the current renovation of the U.N. building was initially estimated at $600 million. It’s now expected to wind up costing more than $2 billion. The U.S. taxpayer will likely be expected to shoulder 22 percent of the increased expenses resulting from the new U.N. building.

What New York is really proposing, then, is for American taxpayers from around the country to pay hundreds of millions of dollars so that Manhattan’s bikers and hikers can have a scenic pathway along the East River. If the citizens of New York won’t pony up for their own esplanade, why should taxpayers in Ohio or Nevada or Florida or anywhere else? This may be a “win” for New York and the U.N., but it certainly makes the rest of America look like a loser.

RobertWalpole
Oct 3, 2011, 3:16 PM
None of the buildings proposed by Solow will be built in that form. I recall reading that he's trying to sell the site.

yankeesfan1000
Oct 3, 2011, 9:36 PM
Yeah I had read that he is. It's a huge site, obviously right on the water, I'd imagine we eventually get several tall buildings there. Right? Crossing fingers...

That article you posted NYGuy makes me cringgeee.

NYguy
Oct 5, 2011, 1:07 PM
NIMBYs not ready to give up the fight...

NY Post
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/letters/unsportsmanlike_conduct_C2lBacJ6ng3zmkAAGFwSBJ

UNSportsmanlike conduct
The Issue: The city’s plan to sell the Robert Moses Playground to make room for new UN offices.


September 26, 2011

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Mayor Bloomberg’s plan to destroy what is possibly the city’s most bucolic place, Tudor City, may go through -- with a possible taxpayer bill of hundreds of millions of dollars (“Paying the UN To Steal a NY Park,” Megan Clyne, PostOpinion, Sept. 22). Does Bloomberg think that New York has too many parks and too much money or that the United Nations has too few offices to bash the United States and our allies?
David Bergstein
Tudor City


***

Clyne grasps the expansion for what it is -- a land grab. When a political entity takes land that belongs to another, it’s called colonialism. When the United Nations does it, it’s called “consolidation.” The coming redevelopment of Midtown’s East Side will bring 8,000 new residents, just as the politicians give away a vital playground that the neighborhood desperately needs.
Edan Unterman President
East Midtown Coalition for
Sensible Development
Manhattan

***

It’s about time someone stuck up for those of us who played on the Robert Moses field of dreams in the 1960s. The STAGs of St. Agnes High School, which used to occupy a building on East 44th Street, spent many a fine afternoon playing intramural softball there. Let’s hope the city pops one over the right- field fence and the deal to sell our field of memories is ruled an out.
Dennis Hawkins
Manhattan

***

Clyne fails to mention what the city stands to gain. The proposal would generate thousands of jobs at the UN construction site -- a major boost for the city in this time of economic hardship. And residents would get a greenway along the East River, which is why East Siders support the proposal.
Laura Bucko Vice President
Manhattan Chamber
of Commerce
Manhattan


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Daily News...
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/letters/index.html

Not in my backyard

October 5th 2011

Manhattan: As we mourned the huge loss of the twin towers on 9/11, we here in Midtown East are threatened by a potential new terrorist target: Our politicians are working on a deal to expand the United Nations' footprint by crossing over 42nd St. to a site right next to the Midtown Tunnel air shaft. This building will be a needle, erected by taking an irreplaceable playground away from the community. And it will have to be built right to the street, making it extremely difficult to defend. There are plenty of other places to put UN workers.

Vivienne Gilbert

SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Oct 5, 2011, 8:29 PM
This building will be a needle, erected by taking an irreplaceable playground away from the community. And it will have to be built right to the street, making it extremely difficult to defend. There are plenty of other places to put UN workers.


Seriously.....seriously? are these people kidding me? now i remember the anger i felt toward this NIMBY ignorance when Verre was in this stage.

NYguy
Oct 6, 2011, 2:15 AM
Seriously.....seriously? are these people kidding me? now i remember the anger i felt toward this NIMBY ignorance when Verre was in this stage.

Those are some of Manhattan's most furious NIMBYs. I was told by one lawyer who lived in the area that there would be "riots in the streets" if something as tall as Trump World Tower was proposed for the Con Ed site. It's classic NIMBYism, because they would apparently be fine with the tower if it were built somewhere else.

There are plenty of other places to put UN workers.

If the proposal was to take down the original, and build a new tower at twice the height, their tunes would probably change.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Oct 6, 2011, 3:29 AM
Those are some of Manhattan's most furious NIMBYs. I was told by one lawyer who lived in the area that there would be "riots in the streets" if something as tall as Trump World Tower was proposed for the Con Ed site. It's classic NIMBYism, because they would apparently be fine with the tower if it were built somewhere else.

I simply cant fathom as to why Nimby's act as ignorantly as they do. Especially in the capital of the skyscraper. If NYC is to remain great it must be given the opportunity to grow.

NYguy
Oct 6, 2011, 3:41 AM
^ They are losing this battle fast.


http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/land-swap-is-announced-to-allow-new-u-n-tower-and-esplanade/

Land Deal Is Announced to Allow New U.N. Tower and Esplanade

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The former Consolidated Edison site that will become part of the city’s Greenway.

By DAVID W. CHEN
October 5, 2011

City and state officials on Wednesday agreed to a $73 million plan that would unlock an underutilized chunk of the Manhattan waterfront between East 38th and East 60th Streets, paving the way for a new United Nations office tower and esplanade along the East River....It would also enable the United Nations to begin a land-use review for a long-planned tower that could be no taller than the 505-foot tall Secretariat Building.

There is no guarantee that the United Nations will commit to the deal, since it was not a party to the agreement. But there is every expectation that the United Nations will be supportive, since it has long sought the land just south of its landmark tower — currently a playground — where it could build a new tower.


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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203476804576613423025143388.html
Greenway Plan Gets 'Missing Link'

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The Robert Moses Playground near First Avenue is adjacent to the existing United Nations campus.

By ERICA ORDEN
October 6, 2011

New York City and state agreed to the development a mile-long stretch of East Side waterfront using $73 million derived from an expected expansion of the United Nations campus, officials said Wednesday.

State legislation passed in June allows the United Nations Development Corp. to utilize the western portion of the city-owned Robert Moses Playground, adjacent to the existing United Nations campus, for a new building connected to its existing campus.

To proceed with those plans, the U.N. arm would pay $73 million into a special purpose fund, which the city has agreed to use to finance the development of the esplanade between 38th and 60th streets.



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antinimby
Oct 6, 2011, 5:09 PM
I simply cant fathom as to why Nimby's act as ignorantly as they do. Especially in the capital of the skyscraper. If NYC is to remain great it must be given the opportunity to grow.What is there not to fathom? They don't care about the city being great or not. They only care about the things that affect their immediate area and that may impact their daily life. That's why they're called NIMBY's.

How difficult is that to understand?

SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Oct 6, 2011, 5:56 PM
What is there not to fathom? They don't care about the city being great or not. They only care about the things that affect their immediate area and that may impact their daily life. That's why they're called NIMBY's.

How difficult is that to understand?

What cant Fathom is that how can you not want you city to progress, if something is being built whether it be in my neighborhood or in the Bronx i care especially if it will enhance the city as a whole. They act as though there building a 500 ft tall prison...there getting class A office spaced that carries a name that is renounced world wide. They should be thankful to live near such treasures.

antinimby
Oct 6, 2011, 9:19 PM
:brickwall:

SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Oct 6, 2011, 10:28 PM
:brickwall:

Hey i'll take a condo next to the UN and this tower. :haha:

NYC4Life
Oct 10, 2011, 10:30 PM
Anti-Nimbyism will continue to prevail in NYC :-)

Zapatan
Oct 11, 2011, 2:48 AM
wasn't there originally supposed to be 8-1100 footers on this site? :rolleyes:

Oh well, I guess a few 700 footers couldn't hurt, hopefully they are well desinged.

NYguy
Oct 11, 2011, 1:45 PM
wasn't there originally supposed to be 8-1100 footers on this site? :rolleyes:

Oh well, I guess a few 700 footers couldn't hurt, hopefully they are well desinged.

NO, there's always been only one tower proposed here.

NYguy
Oct 13, 2011, 1:39 AM
We haven't talked about the alternative to building on the playground, but here are some highlights from the UN study of alternatives released last month which concludes building on campus is the best option...

http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/66/349


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NYguy
Oct 20, 2011, 12:36 AM
http://www.observer.com/2011/10/u-n-architects-fumihiko-maki-fxfowle-pritzker/

U.N Architects Back to the Drawing Board; Pritzker Winner Still on Board

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An early proposal by Kevin Roche for a new U.N. tower—it's not Maki, but you get the idea. (KRJDA)

By Matt Chaban 10/19/11

In 2002, when it came time to plan for a new tower to house this globetrotting workforce, the United Nations Development Corporation, the city agency that handles all U.N. property, held a competition. It was open only to Pritzker Prize winners, and Japanese architect Fumihiko Maki was selected in 2004. Not long after, the project ran into political hurdles and was put on hold, but earlier this month Albany, the city and the U.N. reached a deal so the project can move forward. Almost as soon as the ink had dried on the land swap, Mr. Maki and his local partners, FXFowle, unrolled their blueprints and got back to work. “We have a saying around the office,” Dan Kaplan, a principal at FXFowle in charge of the project, told The Observer. “It takes a long time for things to happen suddenly.”

Mr. Kaplan explained that much of the design work had been completed for a 35-story tower on the site, and while it will not change significantly, it does require some updating. Before, there were plans to build a temporary General Assembly on the playground before the new office tower was built, but that was instead constructed two years ago on the U.N.’s north lawn. The Secretariat is undergoing a $2 billion renovation, and after the earlier deal fell apart, the world body felt it could not wait to begin rebuilding its campus.

...the designers will reassess the U.N.’s space needs and tweak the designs accordingly. “We’re not back to square-one, maybe square 1.5,” Mr. Kaplan said. “It’s a tight site and a tight building envelope, so I don’t think the designs will change that much, but we are going back over everything.” Jeffrey Feldman, president and CEO of the U.N. Development Corporation, said he hopes to have designs ready by early next year, so the project will be ready to go through the city’ land-use review process.


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NYguy
Nov 1, 2011, 3:17 AM
http://www.dnainfo.com/20111027/upper-east-side/phillip-lopate-kicks-off-design-contest-for-new-east-river-waterfront

Phillip Lopate Kicks Off Design Contest For a New East River Waterfront

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October 27, 2011
By Amy Zimmer



The stretch of the East River esplanade from East 60th to 125th streets is often underused and difficult to access. It's suffered neglect over the years and is dotted with sinkholes. It's narrow in many places and noisy from cars on the FDR buzzing past. Phillip Lopate has walked this stretch of Manhattan's waterfront.

In fact, he's walked along the island's entire perimeter, chronicling his journeys in the 2004 book "Waterfront." That's why Civitas, a community group trying to jumpstart the revitalization of this crumbling part of the East River shoreline, invited him to kick off its design competition re-imagining a new life for the space. "There are all sorts of things you can do if you let your imagination run wild," he said.

He imagined a waterfront with clam or mussel boats tied up selling fresh catch, or movie theaters along the river. Or, for those who find private use of public space distasteful, he suggested a waterfront post office, school or police precinct...Lopate was happy to hear that the greenway gap between East 38th and 60th streets may be closed, if a complicated deal goes through where the United Nations would build an office tower on Robert Moses Playground in exchange for opening the waterfront.



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NYguy
Nov 3, 2011, 9:26 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/11/03/gift-that-keeps-on-giving-un-lobbying-for-3b-in-future-projects-while/

U.N.’s $2 Billion Building Binge: Getting Worse While It Lobbies for $3 Billion More

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By George Russell
November 03, 2011



With a $2 billion renovation of its New York headquarters building still more than two years from completion, the United Nations is already lobbying member states for some $3 billion or so for additional major building projects in New York City and Geneva. About $2.4 billion of the total would go for construction of a new office tower in Manhattan to accommodate the world organization’s burgeoning staff. Another $590 million or so would go for yet another mammoth renovation job -- this one of the U.N.’s venerable offices in Geneva, located in the one-time home of the ill-fated League of Nations.

One reason for the continuing U.N. push for a global building boom is that whatever austerity the rest of the world faces, the world organization expects its headquarters staff to keep growing -- at a steady 1.1 percent rate annually over the two decades ending in 2034, according to a U.N. study. That would add 3,000 people in New York City alone who will require nearly 1.9 million square feet of additional space -- hence the desire for yet another additional U.N. tower.

By the time the headquarters renovation is finished, the study reports, the U.N. Secretariat and its attendant agencies will own about 1.34 million square feet of space but occupy another 2.1 million square feet in 15 buildings, including the landmark Chrysler Building. And even that projection is 20 percent less than it might have been, as the U.N. factored in unspecified “efficiency gains” that will supposedly keep the sprawl from growing faster. Bottom line: “The Organization occupies most of the desirable and acceptable commercial properties within the vicinity of the Secretariat compound.” It would be better to build new U.N.-owned space, the study argues, rather than continuing the current rental creep.

Mr. Lion
Nov 3, 2011, 9:35 PM
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I leave for 3 months and I come back to this? That is an absolutely massive concept.

NYguy
Nov 3, 2011, 10:57 PM
That is an absolutely massive concept.

Which is why most of it won't happen. But...the promenade features are the main thing. With action from the UN, it looks likely we'll start seeing more concepts for it.

UrbanImpact
Nov 3, 2011, 11:23 PM
Wow! Reservoir and all!

kingcity
Nov 6, 2011, 12:10 AM
what about the new subway station?

animatedmartian
Nov 6, 2011, 1:39 AM
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/138802696/original.jpg

I like this one. It's simple and modern like the original tower and having it turned with its lower height makes it compliment the original tower. The subtle cantilever also makes it look cool and modern. :D I'm not a big fan of the green surfaces on the podium though but it doesn't completely ruin the design.

texcolo
Nov 6, 2011, 3:55 PM
Isn't it ironic that the NIMBY's want to save ROBERT MOSES playground from gettin torn down?

:shrug:

vandelay
Nov 6, 2011, 6:57 PM
LOL at the editorializing in the foxnews article about the UN expansion.

Dac150
Nov 6, 2011, 11:14 PM
A very ambitious and unique plan, but also over the top.

NYguy
Nov 7, 2011, 12:32 PM
I like this one. It's simple and modern like the original tower and having it turned with its lower height makes it compliment the original tower.

I still can't get a feel for if they are going to move forward with a tower at the playground site, or a tower on the UN campus.


Isn't it ironic that the NIMBY's want to save ROBERT MOSES playground from gettin torn down?
:shrug:

Yes it is.

LordYu
Sep 18, 2013, 7:10 PM
Hi,

great news. Renderings for the new United Nations tower are up.
The tower is designed by Fumihiko Maki and FXFOWLE. Maki also designed 4 WTC which is currently under construction.

http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/5239bce0f92ea16c8501dde1/extralarge.jpg
image from: http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/09/18/unexciting_united_nations_waterfront_skyscraper_revealed.php

Building will be 546 ft tall, or 166m and will be located on 1st avenue and 41st/42nd street next to the UN building. The building will have 850,000 sq ft of office space and house 2700 UN employees.

http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/5239bce6f92ea16c8501ddff/extralarge3.jpg

Construction begin 2015 and last 3 years. However on Maki's website it says 2016.

This picture is from Maki's website here (http://www.maki-and-associates.co.jp/details/index_pic.html?pcd=138)
http://www.maki-and-associates.co.jp/images/photo/p138_1.jpg

This information, including the pictures, are all available at ny.curbed.com in the article "Unexciting United Nations Waterfront Skyscraper Revealed" by Hana Alberts Sept. 18th, 2013
More info at: http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/09/18/unexciting_united_nations_waterfront_skyscraper_revealed.php

The responsible Community board, Community Board 6, which is responsible for approving this project will hold a meeting about this building on Sept. 24 at 6 p.m., in the Farkas auditorium of NYU Langone Medical Center, located at 550 First Ave.

LordYu
Sep 18, 2013, 7:15 PM
The approval process for this building will take 9 months according to this:
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130918/murray-hill/renderings-of-planned-united-nations-tower-revealed#slideshow_modal_slot_1

If you are interested in the process you can check it out here:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/ap/step5_ulurp.shtml

Design-mind
Sep 18, 2013, 9:04 PM
This is great news for this project as it seemed to be going no where for a long time. Thanks for the great info LordYu.

dc_denizen
Sep 18, 2013, 11:34 PM
I like it!

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NYguy
Sep 26, 2013, 10:11 PM
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130926/murray-hill/un-tower-will-bring-traffic-shadows-tudor-city-residents-fear

U.N. Tower Will Bring Traffic and Shadows to Tudor City, Residents Fear


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Heather Holland
September 26, 2013


Residents who live near the site of a proposed United Nations office building opposed the plan during a public meeting this week, saying it would increase traffic in an already congested area and block sunlight to a nearby park.

The 36-story tower is set to rise on a piece of Robert Moses Park, on the East River waterfront between 42nd and 41st streets, to consolidate the U.N.'s scattered offices into a single building.

At Tuesday night's public meeting, representatives of the United Nations Development Corporation only allowed comments and would not answer questions from the audience. But that didn’t stop about a dozen community members from demanding answers.

“What would it do to traffic conditions in the area?” asked Ann Seligman, a member of Community Board 6.

“This week — the General Assembly — we call it hell week. It’s miserable to live around the U.N. this week.”

Seligman added that she hoped the design of the building could be improved.

“Just as somebody who walks around the neighborhood, it’s just a blank wall,” she said. “I hope it can be made more interesting.”

Many Tudor City residents also worried that the new building would cast a shadow over the complex's two parks, which sit across from the proposed site on either side of 42nd Street.

“I’m concerned that we're losing more parkland,” said Tim Maldonado, a resident of Tudor City. “Right now, we do have sunlight coming into the park, but if this building goes up any children going out at 9:30 in the morning would be in total shadow.”



Those children should be in total school, morons. You're living in a city, there are shadows, get used to it.




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easy as pie
Sep 26, 2013, 11:24 PM
man, that con-ed block is insane, can't believe it's just sitting there like that.

antinimby
Sep 27, 2013, 1:24 AM
I drive through that area frequently (couple of times every week during the day) and I can tell you that outside of the General Assembly gathering one week in September each year, there is no traffic problem. This part of town most of the time is practically empty.

These community people are ridiculous.

Eveningsong
Sep 27, 2013, 12:32 PM
I think this is a very good design and not a "blank wall".

antinimby
Sep 27, 2013, 1:16 PM
^ The lower levels shows a blank wall all aound similar to 1 & 7WTC but that's probably for security reasons, which is understandable.

NYguy
Sep 29, 2013, 11:55 AM
I would prefer something a little more distinctive (in form), the original is such an icon. A sloped, tall spire would have been nice, something symbolic.
But it is what it is. The NIMBYs would be against it if it were at 5 stories. Even if there is a blank wall, it can't be worse than looking at that shaft.




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Duck From NY
Sep 29, 2013, 10:12 PM
Wow that 'park' in the UN campus looks even more boring than this building.
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NYguy
Sep 30, 2013, 12:04 AM
Wow that 'park' in the UN campus looks even more boring than this building.


Not sure what you mean. But the main building itself is among New York's iconic buildings.

I guess the materials used in the new one will make or break it, but it has a lot to live up to, though I don't think it will reach that same level of iconic status.



United Nations Photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/un_photo/3311537673/sizes/o/in/photostream/)

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JayPro
Sep 30, 2013, 1:47 AM
The proposad structure's design surely matches the utter banality of everything else on UN property.
The "park", if indeed it is or even pretends to be such, looks as if someone barfed pesto into a sandbox...............

Duck From NY
Sep 30, 2013, 4:53 AM
Not sure what you mean. But the main building itself is among New York's iconic buildings.
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Yeah I love the UN building. I don't like all the bare grass in that park.

Eveningsong
Jan 4, 2014, 3:31 PM
This is an amazing building. Hopefully it doesn't get blocked by residents.

Busy Bee
Jan 4, 2014, 8:00 PM
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Crawford
Jan 4, 2014, 8:56 PM
This is an amazing building. Hopefully it doesn't get blocked by residents.

This building is already approved, and we're just waiting for the UN to break ground.

Eveningsong
Jan 6, 2014, 5:04 PM
This building is already approved, and we're just waiting for the UN to break ground.

That is great news to hear. This project will move forward :cheers: