[SoaringDecorium]

Hello all I'm new too the forum here. I'm wondering for a personal project how possible is the creation of a neo-art deco skyscraper nowadays according to the idea of the cost of the builders, the masonery work since its to be built of stone, engineering restrictions , building codes of the los angeles and other major cities, etc. I am a great fan of the art deco skyscrapers of the past and wish to be a architect but my math is not the stuff of dreams my greatest skills are really just the design of the structure itself I will try to submit drawings if i can soon but before I do I hope this is the right place to put this. thanks all!

[Tyler Xyroadia]

AH!

A man after my own heart with love of the grand glorious Art Deco kings!
A warm welcome then from this Curmudgeon to the forum.

Now then an answere to your question main question. There IS out there an insidious, ever growing diseases out there called "BCB" syndrome. AKA, Bleeding Cheap Bastards!

Truth be told kid, there is nothing keeping a firm from building another 40 Wall Street or even another ESB, except bloody cheap people! The Art, style and detail of an Art Deco masterpiece seem to have no room in todays world of thin skeletal glass boxes.
In terms of building one, with modern materials, the structure would be amazingly solid. But there is no love for such art these days. Such detail takes time and money, and no one seems to have much to spare. Of course you are also up against bastards who think that a building that looks like a melted blob is considered "High Art".

Now then, don't let all THAT harden your heart kid. We NEED dreamers like you out there, we can't all be Curmudgeons after all. So I Deeply hope to see more from you, post your all you want, let your mind and heart go boy and draw and doodle We could use more art, even if it is never built.

[scalziand]

The reason new art deco towers are so rare is mostly aescthetic preference, followed by cost. It is not an engineering issue for the structure.

Indeed, there are neo-deco towers popping up here and there.

The Pinnaccle, Guangzhou:
http://photo2.bababian.com/usr553405/upload5/20111103/sHW5XwxlWC1HtQIN2zD_1ZOlp3x_9FSnptik7aXYRRKlHA9iJ5WY1Vg==.jpg
http://pic.qnpic.com:83/r.jsp?fn=//fanjoin/share/2011/10/11/IMG_44241318340914232.jpg

Pingan IFC also looks like what a deco tower would look like if the style had continued developing.

In that vein, Tour Verre is inspired by the setback zoning that created the classic deco form.

What's hard to tell from the external view is if these new towers have the ornate internal decorations that the classic deco towers have.

[Roadcruiser1]

There hasn't been any new Art Deco buildings built in the United States since 1950. So it hasn't happened for 62 years. It's going to be hard to build or design a new Art Deco building because it hasn't been used for such a long time. It's a lot like building and designing traditional buildings. It will not be 100% accurate and it might not look the way you want it to look.

We might see buildings in the style of Art Deco, but they might only be steel, concrete, and glass. It won't be the old stone and glass. However I will not say there isn't an 100% chance of it not happening since the Metropolitan Life North Building is still waiting for someone to bring her back from her dormancy.

[whiteford]

lovely tower imo. i love the style(a big fan) and am one that wishes it would make a moderate comeback. only if such towers where tasteful such as this one though.

[fishrose]

There hasn't been any new Art Deco buildings built in the United States since 1950. So it hasn't happened for 62 years.

This is absolutely untrue. Right off the top of my head, there's the Wells Fargo Center in Minneapolis. Built in 1988, at 57 stories.

http://www.hines.com/toolkit_images/Project%20Photos/Wells%20Fargo%20Center%20Minneapolis/Wells%20Fargo%20Minneapolis-%20Exterior_lres_web.jpg
Source: www.hines.com (http://www.hines.com/property/detail.aspx?id=225)

[RST500]

These were proposed but canceled in Downtown LA a few years back.

http://robertsonpartners.net/images/3-Front-View.jpg

(Photo credit: http://www.robertsonpartners.net/)

[Tyler Xyroadia]

OH! That is lovely!
I followed the image back to the companies website and they have quite a few Concepts drawn up, not sure what to make of all them, but many are simply lovely, the design company seems to go out of its way to try and create historical architecture, which simply warms my heart, BRAVO!

[SoaringDecorium]

Thank you all for the replies and the pictures one that defiantly struck me was the wells fargo center and those two towers and the other which I assume is being constructed in asia. its nice that the style can be brought back. I have made some drawings will try to post once my scanner is brought back from death:( I do realize the setback design is hard to do when poeple nowadays want space then style anyone knows how much those buildings cost to build ballpark figures if possible will try to keep in touch thanks all especially the first poster! :tup: p:s i checked the website for robertsons and those concepts struck me the same idea I'm going for hope they actually build one atleastly!

[Tyler Xyroadia]

Thank you all for the replies and the pictures one that defiantly struck me was the wells fargo center and those two towers and the other which I assume is being constructed in asia. its nice that the style can be brought back. I have made some drawings will try to post once my scanner is brought back from death:( I do realize the setback design is hard to do when poeple nowadays want space then style anyone knows how much those buildings cost to build ballpark figures if possible will try to keep in touch thanks all especially the first poster! :tup: p:s i checked the website for robertsons and those concepts struck me the same idea I'm going for hope they actually build one atleastly!

I do indeed look forward to seeing your sketches, as well as many others here. Art Deco is a sorely missed art, so seeing some new kid taking up the mantle is a wonderful thing.

Back in my youth I even did some Art Deco designs of my own that I might enjoy to see your thoughts on.

So again, welcome aboard, and good to have you.

[jg6544]

What was that building that was planned for Houston in the mid-80s, but never built? Clones were built in Chicago and Philadelphia - it was contemporary Deco.

[Roadcruiser1]

I think the building that would have looked Art Deco and would have had been a good replacement for the loss of the Singer Building would have been South Ferry Plaza. Proposed in the 1990's. It was cancelled for financial reasons. Very sad and disappointing.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=149328

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ferry_Plaza
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/South_Ferry_Plaza.jpg

[Lecom]

None of these examples are Neo Art Deco. Most are postmodern designs vaguely inspired by certain elements of Art Deco. Even that design in LA is a rehash of Neoclassicism, not Art Deco.

[DistrictDirt]

This is absolutely untrue. Right off the top of my head, there's the Wells Fargo Center in Minneapolis. Built in 1988, at 57 stories.

Also Bell Atlantic Tower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Atlantic_Tower) (aka Verizon Tower) in Philly. Built in 1991, 55 stories.

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/philadelphia27.JPG

Also, One Liberty Place (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Liberty_Place) and Two Liberty Place (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Liberty_Place)could be considered to be a contemporary take on deco. Apparently Helmut Jahn used the Chrysler building as a reference when designing One Liberty Place.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Liberty_place.jpg

[Kingofthehill]

I am surprised that has no been mention of the NBC Tower in Chicago!

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7009/6659725849_75bf51381d_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/setholiver1/6659725849/

[fishrose]

None of these examples are Neo Art Deco. Most are postmodern designs vaguely inspired by certain elements of Art Deco. Even that design in LA is a rehash of Neoclassicism, not Art Deco.

I agree that the LA design does look more like Neoclassicism than Art Deco. That said, I don't know how you can call the Wells Fargo Center "vaguely inspired by" Art Deco. It has more in common aesthetically with Art Deco than postmodernism.

[yaletown_fella]

These were proposed but canceled in Downtown LA a few years back.

http://robertsonpartners.net/images/3-Front-View.jpg

(Photo credit: http://www.robertsonpartners.net/)

What a shame, these are beautiful. However, they are more neo Beaux Arts than neo deco.

[Tyler Xyroadia]

What a shame, these are beautiful. However, they are more neo Beaux Arts than neo deco.

Very true, very impressive all the same.
It is good to see other examples of Art Deco that HAVE been made in recent time, I am not sure if there are others on the drawing table.

[jg6544]

One and Two Liberty Plaza (Phila.) are derivatives of the never-built Jahn tower in Houston from the mid-80s. There's another one in Chicago that's a lot like them and they are all derived from the Chrysler bldg.

[Jonboy1983]

Speaking of One and Two Liberty from Philly, what about BNY Mellon Center in Philadelphia, built in 1990, 53-stories tall? That, to me, screams art-deco. Its base looks like something you'd see erected in the 1930s, especially with the setbacks.

[Tyler Xyroadia]

Ha, you mean this building?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/BNY_Mellon_Center_%28Philadelphia%29_cropped.jpg
Not overly fond of it, but it is a damned sight better then most in the area.

[headcase]

One and Two Liberty Plaza (Phila.) are derivatives of the never-built Jahn tower in Houston from the mid-80s. There's another one in Chicago that's a lot like them and they are all derived from the Chrysler bldg.

2 Pru (http://www.emporis.com/building/two-prudential-plaza-chicago-il-usa)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XdUR-uPx90Y/SwGoAPyT3uI/AAAAAAAAA4k/foAdSTfwnnk/s1600/2pru01.jpg
picture from amazingworldplaces.blogspot.com (http://amazingworldplaces.blogspot.com/2009/11/2-prudential-plaza.html)

SSDD

[FrancoRey]

Interesting thread. I also miss the Art Deco designs of days' past.

Not quite Art Deco, nor is it very tall, but I'm a fan of 50 Connaught Road Central in Hong Kong. Recently finished, designed by Robert A.M. Stern Architects:

http://www.ramsa.com/projects-search/office/50-connaught-road.html

jrpl.com
http://www.jrpl.com/catalog/images/products/50%20Connnaught%20Central.jpg

globalphotos.org
http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/2011/0401/IMG_5764.jpg

pbworld.com
http://www.pbworld.com/images/regional/asia/featured_projects/50%20connaught%20road-02.jpg

api.photoshop.com
http://api.photoshop.com/v1.0/accounts/11e5fbb8309740b9aa8ad5872ce63dff/assets/7c26ff7750634cb4a0a06a1dba957af3/renditions/1024.jpg?

[RST500]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/NTT_DoCoMo_Yoyogi_Building_2009_cropped.jpg

NTT DoCoMo Yoyogi Building, Tokyo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTT_Docomo_Yoyogi_Building

[KevinFromTexas]

One Worldwide Plaza in New York - 778 feet - 50 floors - built in 1990.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Worldwide_Plaza

[FrancoRey]

Here's another new addition taking its influence from the Art Deco structures of the past.

Pinnacle, Guangzhou, China. Just finished.

From Senlan, posted by Hudson11 in the Supertall Construction forum:
http://i.imgur.com/8MYr4.jpgg
Senlan (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=89854787&postcount=383)

[hunser]

New York: 99 Church Street (912', 68 stories) soon to be under construction:

http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18602/850160-S1400x500.0.jpg?optimalizedperformance=true

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/92288682/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/92288658/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/114844979/original.jpghttp://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/114845024/original.jpg

Thread (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=122343)

[FrancoRey]

New York: 99 Church Street (912', 68 stories) soon to be under construction:

Thread (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=122343)


:previous:
Interestingly enough, this building is ALSO by Robert A.M. Stern. Many of their towers take influence from the classical skyscraper architecture of the 1920s and 1930s.

[RST500]

One from Frankfurt, built in 2001:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Frankfurt_Am_Main-Main_Plaza-Ansicht_von_der_Ignatz-Bubis-Bruecke.jpg/400px-Frankfurt_Am_Main-Main_Plaza-Ansicht_von_der_Ignatz-Bubis-Bruecke.jpg

Source: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Plaza

[MeIsThomas]

People say this reminds them of an art deco building from the 1930s. It even has gargoyles on all four corners about 10 floors from the top. I don't think it is exactly what you are looking for here but I figured I'd post it anyways.
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii108/jasonzedd/Mississauga4/20110515022.jpg
http://media.mmgcommunity.topscms.com/images/72/aa/836ddf2741ab9e00b9edac9b211a.jpeg

Sources:http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=193575
http://media.mmgcommunity.topscms.com/images/72/aa/836ddf2741ab9e00b9edac9b211a.jpeg

[Tyler Xyroadia]

AH! It has been too long since checking in here!

I have to see the building from Frankfurt Germany is without a doubt perhaps THE best Neo ArtDeco building of the last 40 years. It doesn't just look art deco.. It has SOUL!
It has detail, care, art... The details in the brick work, the decorations in the crown, most neo-artdeco buildings either use cheap plaster and concreate in half hearted decorations, or skimp on them all together.

The residential building posted bellow is a good example...
It LOOKS somewhat artdeco, but it is still a mish-mash, and it just has bland lines, bland crown and no decorations what so ever...

[THE BIG APPLE]

Park Tower - Chicago, IL (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Park_Tower_060527.jpg)

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/chicago54.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Park_Tower_060527.jpg

[THE BIG APPLE]

Heller Building - Chicago, IL (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Heller_International_building_Chicago.jpg)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Heller_International_building_Chicago.jpg

[THE BIG APPLE]

One Atlantic Center - Atlanta, GA (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/4_One_Atlantic_Center.jpg)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/4_One_Atlantic_Center.jpg

[THE BIG APPLE]

This one's an inspiration from the Prewar buildings, blasted with modernism.

PPG Place - Pittsburgh, PA (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Pittsburgh-pennsylvania-ppg-place-2007.jpg)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Pittsburgh-pennsylvania-ppg-place-2007.jpg

[MSP]

I am surprised that has no been mention of the NBC Tower in Chicago!

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7009/6659725849_75bf51381d_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/setholiver1/6659725849/

What year was it built? I've seen it in person and assumed it was built back in the day...

What about the tallest in Omaha? built in 2002?
http://www.enotes.com/topic/First_National_Bank_Tower

[scalziand]

What year was it built? I've seen it in person and assumed it was built back in the day...


NBC Tower is actually from 1989.

[ThatOneGuy]

I am a huge modernist/minimalist, and I usually can't stand postmodernism, but there are a few buildings I can truly consider neo-art deco.

Wells Fargo Center, Minneapolis
Guangzhou Pinnacle
That building in Frankfurt
Key Tower, Cleveland
99 Church Street, NY
and a few others...

What I find really irritating is that many postmodernist buildings use non-matching facade types, such as concrete and glass, and end up turning incredibly tacky and bland, and ruins the entire 'neo-art deco' title. For example, Liberty Place in Philadelphia and this hideous thing:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/San_Francisco_Marriott.JPG

If only there were more architects that use real art deco elements, and not ugly blends of styles. I would be even MORE impressed if an architect would reintroduce 'neo-gothic' styles!

[ltsmotorsport]

In Sacramento, we have the Plaza Park Tower (formerly US Bank Tower) which is a post modern design heavily influenced by art deco. Not quite the height you're looking for, but it's what Sac's got.

http://www.sacramentopress.com/uploads/images/prod/50afb86e8d2d42e39f4207942e321cc3_i.jpg

http://cimgroup.com/ViewImage.aspx?f=KQJB_invMainImg_980_9th_street.jpg

[jg6544]

I am a huge modernist/minimalist, and I usually can't stand postmodernism, but there are a few buildings I can truly consider neo-art deco.

Wells Fargo Center, Minneapolis
Guangzhou Pinnacle
That building in Frankfurt
Key Tower, Cleveland
99 Church Street, NY
and a few others...

What I find really irritating is that many postmodernist buildings use non-matching facade types, such as concrete and glass, and end up turning incredibly tacky and bland, and ruins the entire 'neo-art deco' title. For example, Liberty Place in Philadelphia and this hideous thing:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/San_Francisco_Marriott.JPG

If only there were more architects that use real art deco elements, and not ugly blends of styles. I would be even MORE impressed if an architect would reintroduce 'neo-gothic' styles!

The juke-box Marriott!

[THE BIG APPLE]

I wouldn't really count that Marriot as art-deco but it's OK. But it's def not 60-80 floors. That's what we want to see. TALL buildings built today like the ESB, or Chrysler of yesteryear.